WLH going to prison

[Tristate]

Prove it or shut up about it. I’ll accept either.

Don’t be the chicken (poop) that you always are. Let those little pebbles drop for once and prove up your big boy talk. For once.

What big boy talk? You made the accusation I didn't. Now prove it. Quotes from your sweetheart Milli isn't proof either.

And I won't shut up.

Typical government employee still looking down your nose at people you wish you could control.

 

[johnnycake]

You should not assume that just because you’re an ignoramous that spouts off without knowing anything about what you’re talking about that everyone else is the same.

Don't forget that just because a bunch of the folks Tri apparently rubs elbows with commit or have been convicted of wildlife violations, does not mean he should assume the same is true for anybody else.

 

[Tristate]

Why are YOU arguing against truth?
That's the real question here......

I'm not. I'm arguing against people who get pleasure from hate and other people's loss.

 

[Tristate]

Don't forget that just because a bunch of the folks Tri apparently rubs elbows with commit or have been convicted of wildlife violations, does not mean he should assume the same is true for anybody else.

Hey I didn't post up the made up 99% statistic.

 

[Tristate]

Coo

I noticed you can't refute the facts

-coo

 

[Tristate]

And I wouldn’t be so quick to state nobody here knows anything. Some people here might know a lot! Maybe even a lot of details they aren’t willing to discuss openly on the forum. It is possible.

You should not assume that just because you’re an ignoramous that spouts off without knowing anything about what you’re talking about that everyone else is the same.

I don't assume it about everyone. As special as Milli Vanilly might be you don't count as everyone no matter how self absorbed you are.

Did you get called to testify in the trials?

 

[coloradoman]

Has anyone subpoenaed you to testify in any of these trials?

If the answer is no then you don't know anything. You believe what you have read and you gossip about it here.

That's reality. It's not an insult to you. Just how it is.

So if you and Wade are such good friends and he told you the “truth” why are you not subpoenaed?

 

[Tristate]

Which gets us back to where this thread should be: About the criminal actions of a prominent outfitter in this state that have finally caught up with him. I have zero doubt Tri will try to distract this thread again, like he always does. Steers try, tri. Time for you to man up.

I hope what is happening to Mr Lemon (and the other Wade...) is a warning shot to outfitters across the state. This type of skirting the rules will no longer be tolerated. One can hope, at least.

So nothing happens to the hunters, nothing happens to the people that guide the hunters. But the guy that isn't there and sticks a cat skin in the box getting jailed is going to be a warning shot?

Get real.

The only lesson here is if the government isn't your "fan" they will try and screw with you as hard as they can. Like Milli admitted earlier.

 

[Tristate]

So if you and Wade are such good friends and he told you the “truth” why are you not subpoenaed?

I never said he told me the "truth". And even if he did it's hearsay. Just two buddies talking.

 

[hossblur]

I do it

1 for entertainment

2 to make sure the lurkers watching these posts can see their not going to sweep in under the rug.

Could someone explain to Matlock, not all witnesses need be subpoenaed.

If Wade was innocent why accept a plea?

 

[coloradoman]

I never said he told me the "truth". And even if he did it's hearsay. Just two buddies talking.

I never said he told me the "truth". And even if he did it's hearsay. Just two buddies talking.

 

[smokepolejohnson]

I Must’ve dozed off at the corn pile at 698, but for what it’s worth gotta love the post volume on this gem.. @712
Not with standing you somewhat gotta respect Tri’s loyalty in the matter. Carry on Gents.#FreeWade

 

[HikeHunt61]

I'm not. I'm arguing against people who get pleasure from hate and other people's loss.

It's not pleasure. It's a community aligning against those who flaunt the laws.

 

[HikeHunt61]

Hey I didn't post up the made up 99% statistic.

It's not a statistic. It's a comment generally used about the difference between criminals and law abiding citizens. Pick your number if you don't like it. I suppose you believe there are millions of felonious hunters.

 

[HikeHunt61]

Coo

-coo

Hard time getting coocoo together there Tri?

 

[HikeHunt61]

I don't assume it about everyone. As special as Milli Vanilly might be you don't count as everyone no matter how self absorbed you are.

Did you get called to testify in the trials?

If everyone who knew something was subpoenaed to a trial, no trial would ever complete. You're supposition about knowledge shows how little you have.

 

[HikeHunt61]

The only lesson here is if the government isn't your "fan" they will try and screw with you as hard as they can

Particularly when they aren't your fan because you break laws. Get out the screwdriver.

 

[HikeHunt61]

I never said he told me the "truth". And even if he did it's hearsay. Just two buddies talking.

Funny, you can post about hearsay and the fact that two buddies talk. But others posting about ongoing legal proceedings (facts) is just so very wrong.

 

[JakeH]

Has anyone subpoenaed you to testify in any of these trials?

If the answer is no then you don't know anything. You believe what you have read and you gossip about it here.

That's reality. It's not an insult to you. Just how it is.

1. I know he was convicted in a court of law, that's not conjecture or gossip that's a fact.

2.You haven't seen me make any comments about wade in these posts.

 

[Dr H.]

In Utah, do guides and outfitters (who I assume are licensed) have special penalties for game violations? I'm wondering- akin to teachers having special laws about inappropriate relations with children- if Utah views their guides and outfitters to have an even greater responsibility to uphold wildlife laws.

If so (and even more if not)- considering what appears to be a significant number of violations, if greater penalties would help discourage the bad apples.

Honest question. If they do have greater penalties, would they not be held to a higher standard and get their land removed from the paunsaugunt deer unit. In reality they are violating their own by-laws.

PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES

Purpose shall be to fulfill the responsibilities delegated and authorized by the State of Utah Big Game Board in 1989 with respect to landowner permits for the Paunsaugunt hunting unit, unit boundaries, season’s dates, eligibility requirements for landowner permits, application, distribution and collection, and a fair equitable distribution of authorized permits.

To seek redress for damages done by wildlife to private lands; to protect and increase the value of the Paunsaugunt hunting unit for trophy hunting; and promote good will between landowners and sportsmen.

To support the inherent right of all citizens to hunt, to purchase, possess, and to use legal weapons lawfully and further to encourage high standards of sportsmanship and a fair chase ethic.

To cooperate fully in the achievement of these objectives with all others having similar objectives.

 

[johnnycake]

Hey I didn't post up the made up 99% statistic.

You repeated it and then called it into question with the obvious implication that 99% of hunters having not been charged or convicted is too high.

You think 99% of hunters haven't been charged or convicted of a wildlife crime?

Get real.

I'd wager the real number is greater than 99.0% of hunters have never been charged or convicted of a wildlife crime, but you clearly roll with the bottom of the barrel and seem to think everybody else does.

 

[slamdunk]

I'm not. I'm arguing against people who get pleasure from hate and other people's loss.

You're calling convictions a "loss"??

 

[Dr H.]

WADE A min why is this even a argument! Is it fair sportsmanship or just sports at this point!

 

[Dr H.]

well shoot wrong wade it looks like... ugh..

 

[LivingTheDream]

Has anyone subpoenaed you to testify in any of these trials?

They dont usually subpoenaed people for a trial where the defendant pleads guilty before the trail. Just saying.

 

[smokepolejohnson]

well shoot wrong wade it looks like... ugh..

Pretty applicable to both. work.

 

[lostinOregon]

Amazing that only subpoenaed witnesses to a trial are the only ones who know anything. Did you get a subpoena Tri? It’s not gossip if you’re a convicted felon. It’s a fact. You keep saying that MM should be about hunting. Well tri, one of the biggest risks to hunting is poaching and that’s what this is about.

 

[Tristate]

I do it

1 for entertainment

2 to make sure the lurkers watching these posts can see their not going to sweep in under the rug.

Could someone explain to Matlock, not all witnesses need be subpoenaed.

If Wade was innocent why accept a plea?

Now you think you are a witness!

 

[Tristate]

It's not pleasure. It's a community aligning against those who flaunt the laws.

El torro doodoo

 

[Tristate]

It's not a statistic. It's a comment generally used about the difference between criminals and law abiding citizens. Pick your number if you don't like it. I suppose you believe there are millions of felonious hunters.

Haven't got a clue. But 99% isn't accurate either

 

[Tristate]

If everyone who knew something was subpoenaed to a trial, no trial would ever complete. You're supposition about knowledge shows how little you have.

Not logic

 

[Tristate]

Particularly when they aren't your fan because you break laws. Get out the screwdriver.

You don't know that. Milli didn't say

 

[Tristate]

Funny, you can post about hearsay and the fact that two buddies talk. But others posting about ongoing legal proceedings (facts) is just so very wrong.

I'm not posting hate or negativity.

 

[Tristate]

1. I know he was convicted in a court of law, that's not conjecture or gossip that's a fact.

2.You haven't seen me make any comments about wade in these posts.

Cool. Sounds like you are done here.

 

[Tristate]

You're calling convictions a "loss"??

You're so petty you want to argue nomenclature?

You know what I am referring to and you are defending it.

 

[Tristate]

They dont usually subpoenaed people for a trial where the defendant pleads guilty before the trail. Just saying.

So you think if there had been a trial any of these internet g-men would have been subpoenaed?

The answer is no. Because all they know is gossip.

 

[slamdunk]

You're so petty you want to argue nomenclature?

You know what I am referring to and you are defending it.

Do you seriously believe all the BS you conjur up?

You clearly stated Wade's conviction a "loss", referring to a "loss to him".
Is it a "loss" financially, his integrity, reputation?

Then you question my integrity like I am supposed to feel some I'll mannered remorse for this guy and his "losses" to to being found guilty in a court of law??

WTF is the matter with you Tri?
How long were you out of oxygen at birth??

 

[Cam@strawberry]

So you think if there had been a trial any of these internet g-men would have been subpoenaed?

The answer is no. Because all they know is gossip.

Actually, and I’d yield to the actual lawyer in this if I’m wrong, all that is necessary from an information standpoint is simply enough to satisfy the burden of proof that lies with the state.

That may be accomplished with no witnesses, some witnesses, or many witnesses.

It would be a waste of courts time to subpoena everyone that may or may not know something if the burden has been satisfied.

Thanks for coming to my internet lawyer Ted talk.

 

[slamdunk]

So you think if there had been a trial any of these internet g-men would have been subpoenaed?

The answer is no. Because all they know is gossip.

We don't have to "know", we weren't physically at each location as a witness.
No one on this thread is saying they were!

Lemme spell this out, ready?
Take notes
On three......

1.....2.....3!

"THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WLH'S CONVICTIONS AND PENDING LITIGATIONS CURRENTLY IN THE STATE RECORDS, ALL OF WHICH ARE ON PUBLIC RECORD"

 

[Tristate]

Do you seriously believe all the BS you conjur up?

You clearly stated Wade's conviction a "loss", referring to a "loss to him".
Is it a "loss" financially, his integrity, reputation?

Then you question my integrity like I am supposed to feel some I'll mannered remorse for this guy and his "losses" to to being found guilty in a court of law??

WTF is the matter with you Tri?
How long were you out of oxygen at birth??

I never told you to feel remorse.

Just display better character than typical internet parasites.

 

[Tristate]

Actually, and I’d yield to the actual lawyer in this if I’m wrong, all that is necessary from an information standpoint is simply enough to satisfy the burden of proof that lies with the state.

That may be accomplished with no witnesses, some witnesses, or many witnesses.

It would be a waste of courts time to subpoena everyone that may or may not know something if the burden has been satisfied.

Thanks for coming to my internet lawyer Ted talk.

The reality is they aren't subpoenaed because everything they are saying is classified as hearsay.

Just gossip.

 

[Tristate]

We don't have to "know", we weren't physically at each location as a witness.
No one on this thread is saying they were!

Lemme spell this out, ready?
Take notes
On three......

1.....2.....3!

"THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WLH'S CONVICTIONS AND PENDING LITIGATIONS CURRENTLY IN THE STATE RECORDS, ALL OF WHICH ARE ON PUBLIC RECORD"

You think so.

If that's all there is then why are you still posting 700 posts later.

Don't believe your own BS Slam.

 

[Tristate]

By the way Wade is still a great guy.

 

[johnnycake]

Haven't got a clue. But 99% isn't accurate either

So when you said:

"You think 99% of hunters haven't been charged or convicted of a wildlife crime?

Get real."

Is 99% too high or too low in your opinion?

 

[slamdunk]

I never told you to feel remorse.

Just display better character than typical internet parasites.

I believe it's extremely obvious here of who the "Parasite" is in this matter, and the heavy majority of Utah hunters, non hunters and the law agree.

 

[slamdunk]

By the way Wade is still a great guy.

I'm sure Charles Beatty was as well......

 

[Manti377]

Tri,

You mention hearsay a number of times in your posts. For the unwashed, might you enlighten us on the definition of "hearsay" and its accompanying exceptions under the federal rules of evidence? Also, please explain how hearsay is relevant when a defendant pleads guilty as charged? I'm lost in your hearsay argument in this regard as hearsay is a trial issue and does not relate to an action in the final disposition of a case (i.e., a guilty plea).

Note, I understand your point of hearsay vis-a-vis evidence in pending trials. In this regard, the statements that you claim as being hearsay may in fact be hearsay or not depending upon hearsay exceptions.

 

[Vanilla]

Hey Tri, Wade Lemon committed crimes that landed him in federal prison.

It’s not hearsay. It’s not gossip. It’s an actual conviction.

He’s also charged with other wildlife violations that he will answer for early next year. That is not hearsay or gossip.

We’ll see if the state can meet its burden on that case, but if they do, that will not be hearsay. If they don’t, then he’s only a federal convict recently. (We won’t talk about his old convictions right now…)

None of that by definition is hearsay. But good try to distract. Again, steers try, Tri!

 

[coloradoman]

I never told you to feel remorse.

Just display better character than typical internet parasites.

 

[Tristate]

So when you said:

"You think 99% of hunters haven't been charged or convicted of a wildlife crime?

Get real."

Is 99% too high or too low in your opinion?

It is to high.

I know guys that are straight as arrows and no why they would intentionally break a wildlife law that have been busted for something.

You know what's thicker than a Webster dictionary? Each state's wildlife code.

 

[Tristate]

I believe it's extremely obvious here of who the "Parasite" is in this matter, and the heavy majority of Utah hunters, non hunters and the law agree.

So you think civility and gentlemanly behavior is less important than a popularity contest? Now I clearly see your problem.

 

[Tristate]

Tri,

You mention hearsay a number of times in your posts. For the unwashed, might you enlighten us on the definition of "hearsay" and its accompanying exceptions under the federal rules of evidence? Also, please explain how hearsay is relevant when a defendant pleads guilty as charged? I'm lost in your hearsay argument in this regard as hearsay is a trial issue and does not relate to an action in the final disposition of a case (i.e., a guilty plea).

Note, I understand your point of hearsay vis-a-vis evidence in pending trials. In this regard, the statements that you claim as being hearsay may in fact be hearsay or not depending upon hearsay exceptions.

I am trying to make it sound more professional than the actual action it is. Gossiping.

Do the courts allow gossip. He'll no. It's hearsay.

 

[hossblur]

So nothing happens to the hunters, nothing happens to the people that guide the hunters. But the guy that isn't there and sticks a cat skin in the box getting jailed is going to be a warning shot?

Get real.

The only lesson here is if the government isn't your "fan" they will try and screw with you as hard as they can. Like Milli admitted earlier.

If you get pulled over for speeding by a cop and he lets you go with a warning. He then pulls you over 10 more times, each time a warning.

You shouldn't be surprised when on the 12th time being pulled over, you're not going to get yet another warning.

Your good friend was covered for and let go a dozen times. Now he's headed to prison. Thats not the heavy hand of government, that's strictly Wades chickens coming home to roost.

You keep running the "cat skin" up the flagpole. That's not in the charging documents. It's not in his plea. It's not in his sentencing. Showing you're lying.

 

[hossblur]

It is to high.

I know guys that are straight as arrows and no why they would intentionally break a wildlife law that have been busted for something.

You know what's thicker than a Webster dictionary? Each state's wildlife code.

True.

Dealing with Wade added a ton to ours. Bllaamm, bait, cams. Dude is responsible for numerous pages by himself

 

[Tristate]

Hey Tri, Wade Lemon committed crimes that landed him in federal prison.

It’s not hearsay. It’s not gossip. It’s an actual conviction.

He’s also charged with other wildlife violations that he will answer for early next year. That is not hearsay or gossip.

We’ll see if the state can meet its burden on that case, but if they do, that will not be hearsay. If they don’t, then he’s only a federal convict recently. (We won’t talk about his old convictions right now…)

None of that by definition is hearsay. But good try to distract. Again, steers try, Tri!

I'm not arguing what happens in court or the documented cases. I'm saying most of what gets put here is gossip and hearsay. You know it is.

Anybody here getting subpoenaed or prepped for that upcoming trial to testify? No. You know why? Because the professionals involved know this is just gossip. It has no positive value or relationship to truth.

 

[Tristate]

If you get pulled over for speeding by a cop and he lets you go with a warning. He then pulls you over 10 more times, each time a warning.

You shouldn't be surprised when on the 12th time being pulled over, you're not going to get yet another warning.

Your good friend was covered for and let go a dozen times. Now he's headed to prison. Thats not the heavy hand of government, that's strictly Wades chickens coming home to roost.

You keep running the "cat skin" up the flagpole. That's not in the charging documents. It's not in his plea. It's not in his sentencing. Showing you're lying.

See Vanilly, this entire post is hearsay and gossip. 3/4 of the accusations here can't be proven and aren't documented.

 

[Tristate]

True.

Dealing with Wade added a ton to ours. Bllaamm, bait, cams. Dude is responsible for numerous pages by himself

See Vanilly, more hearsay and gossip.

This is what this thread is about. Just Hate.

You say it's about a court case but this and hundreds of posts like it is what is here. Not your court case.

 

[hossblur]

I am trying to make it sound more professional than the actual action it is. Gossiping.

Do the courts allow gossip. He'll no. It's hearsay.

I'm not arguing what happens in court or the documented cases. I'm saying most of what gets put here is gossip and hearsay. You know it is.

Anybody here getting subpoenaed or prepped for that upcoming trial to testify? No. You know why? Because the professionals involved know this is just gossip. It has no positive value or relationship to truth.

To be clear, and because we know your a "professional", you've now switched to his upcoming trial?

The one for a B E A R?

When is that trial? Where is it? What district? What are the charges?

You are about bringing the professionalism, right?

 

[hossblur]

See Vanilly, more hearsay and gossip.

This is what this thread is about. Just Hate.

You say it's about a court case but this and hundreds of posts like it is what is here. Not your court case.

Go read the statement t by DWR surrounding BLAAAMM.

Again, facts, easily accessible to the public

 

[Wapitiwilly]

By the way Wade is still a great guy.

Ya so is Ted Bundy!

 

[Vanilla]

See Vanilly, this entire post is hearsay and gossip. 3/4 of the accusations here can't be proven and aren't documented.

So you’re saying 3 of the 12 can be proven and are documented?

Is his current conviction one of those 3? What about the upcoming trial for the bear hunt? (I’m still interested to find out if the hunter will be there on that one! Would make watching it worth the drive to Price.)

Like I’ve said above Tri, you don’t know what you don’t know. I don’t know what information Hoss has about these allegations. But I would be really careful to say nobody in this thread has real info about the cases and prior allegations. That would be a factually inaccurate statement.

 

[Bux n Dux]

So when you said:

"You think 99% of hunters haven't been charged or convicted of a wildlife crime?

Get real."

Is 99% too high or too low in your opinion?

I think 99% is too high. I personally know a lot of people that have been ticked/charged with wildlife crimes. Most being completely unaware they had broken laws until contacted by law enforcement. But some know exactly what they are doing. Most aren’t talked about. Some are. But there’s a lot more people with wildlife crimes on their records than most of us realize.

 

[slamdunk]

So you think civility and gentlemanly behavior is less important than a popularity contest? Now I clearly see your problem.

No Tri, you've read me completely wrong here.

Go preach "gentleman's behavior" to your buddy Wade, who has absolutely zero compassion for the wildlife he steals.

 

[Tristate]

Go read the statement t by DWR surrounding BLAAAMM.

Again, facts, easily accessible to the public

Bouncing all over the place. Not making sense.

 

[Tristate]

Ya so is Ted Bundy!

Ted Bundy is dead

 

[Tristate]

So you’re saying 3 of the 12 can be proven and are documented?

Is his current conviction one of those 3? What about the upcoming trial for the bear hunt? (I’m still interested to find out if the hunter will be there on that one! Would make watching it worth the drive to Price.)

Like I’ve said above Tri, you don’t know what you don’t know. I don’t know what information Hoss has about these allegations. But I would be really careful to say nobody in this thread has real info about the cases and prior allegations. That would be a factually inaccurate statement.

Actually it would be very accurate

 

[Tristate]

No Tri, you've read me completely wrong here.

Go preach "gentleman's behavior" to your buddy Wade, who has absolutely zero compassion for the wildlife he steals.

So if you think someone else isn't behaving then no one should call you out for your behavior?

Did you go to the 13 year old girl school of ethics?

First you think bad behavior is okay if the majority of people dislike someone. Now you think it's okay if you don't like something about them. I hate to use the cliche but two wrongs still don't make a right.

 

[slamdunk]

So if you think someone else isn't behaving then no one should call you out for your behavior?

Did you go to the 13 year old girl school of ethics?

First you think bad behavior is okay if the majority of people dislike someone. Now you think it's okay if you don't like something about them. I hate to use the cliche but two wrongs still don't make a right.

Lol....please don't try using your own tactics of cliche and hypocrisy on me Sir, you score the lowest in those departments.

FYI
You're not going to win this argument, not now, not ever.
The facts and evidence of the discussion are in front of everyone's eyes to see, read and comprehend, including yours.

 

[hossblur]

See Vanilly, more hearsay and gossip.

This is what this thread is about. Just Hate.

You say it's about a court case but this and hundreds of posts like it is what is here. Not your court case.

Does gossip include some story about a cat skin that has zero documents to back it?

 

[Bux n Dux]

Ted Bundy is dead

Very good! See? You do know some factual information

 

[Vanilla]

Actually it would be very accurate

I'm sure in your world that if you tell yourself something enough, you believe it to be true. That does not make it true, however.

Also, Wade has a federal wildlife conviction and was sentenced to federal prison. He also has a trial set in February for state wildlife violations.

These are not his only violations he's committed, whether charged or not, and I know that for a fact. Not hearsay. Not conjecture. Not gossip.

We could go to other factually based public information if you wanted to.

Should we start in 1992? We can just focus on facts and not hearsay, if you'd like.

 

[Tristate]

Lol....please don't try using your own tactics of cliche and hypocrisy on me Sir, you score the lowest in those departments.

FYI
You're not going to win this argument, not now, not ever.
The facts and evidence of the discussion are in front of everyone's eyes to see, read and comprehend, including yours.

Again, you think this is about winning and losing arguments.

 

[Tristate]

Does gossip include some story about a cat skin that has zero documents to back it?

Are you saying there wasn't a cat skin?

 

[Tristate]

Very good! See? You do know some factual information

Still just my opinion though

 

[Tristate]

I'm sure in your world that if you tell yourself something enough, you believe it to be true. That does not make it true, however.

Also, Wade has a federal wildlife conviction and was sentenced to federal prison. He also has a trial set in February for state wildlife violations.

These are not his only violations he's committed, whether charged or not, and I know that for a fact. Not hearsay. Not conjecture. Not gossip.

We could go to other factually based public information if you wanted to.

Should we start in 1992? We can just focus on facts and not hearsay, if you'd like.

You still dodging all that gossip and hearsay I pointed out?

 

[johnnycake]

I think 99% is too high. I personally know a lot of people that have been ticked/charged with wildlife crimes. Most being completely unaware they had broken laws until contacted by law enforcement. But some know exactly what they are doing. Most aren’t talked about. Some are. But there’s a lot more people with wildlife crimes on their records than most of us realize.

I can see where you are coming from, but 1% of a very large number is still a large number. Digging into the numbers reported (which are the relevant figures when looking at "charges or convicted" as opposed to unreported/documented violations), for hunting and fishing violations is kind of interesting. In 2023, for Utah there were 4,567 wildlife citations. Pre COVID, Utah was selling about 200,000 hunting and fishing licenses annually, and that climbed up to +700,000 in 2020 and dropping to +500,000 in 2021. Assuming all of them are considered "charged or convicted" that would be a per capita citation rate of between 0.6% and 2.1%. When you look at the reported unlawful take of animals in 2019 vs COVID years, it's about a 1% increase in documented illegal take versus a +300% in licenses.

1,056 fish and wildlife illegally killed in Utah in 2023

A total of 1,056 wild animals and fish were illegally harvested in Utah in 2023, a slight decrease from the number illegally killed in 2022.

wildlife.utah.gov

 

[Vanilla]

You still dodging all that gossip and hearsay I pointed out?

Which event is hearsay? I didn't actually see you point to anything specific. I'm happy to consider anything you want to share.'

I also noticed that you didn't want to answer if the federal prison case or his upcoming bear case were in the 3 out of 12 you said were not hearsay and could be proved. I'm happy to hear your answer on that too.

 

[slamdunk]

Again, you think this is about winning and losing arguments.

You're comprehensive abilities are rock bottom.

 

[coloradoman]

Are you saying there wasn't a cat skin?

Two Southern Utah Men Sentenced in Cougar Hunting Crime in Violation of the Lacey Act

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah – A U.S. District Court Judge sentenced the final defendant today in a crime that involved a Utah licensed big game outfitter and his employee/cougar hunting guide in the District of Utah. The two defendants were sentenced separately for their involvement in a crime that...

www.justice.gov

Not a mention of a cat skin….hmmmm

 

[Vanilla]

Straight from the DOJ, and not hearsay:

Wade Lemon, 63, of Holden, Utah, was sentenced July 18, 2024, to two months’ imprisonment, ordered by the court to pay a $10,500 fine, and a one-year commercial ban on federal land. According to court documents, and statements made during his change of plea hearing, Lemon admitted to illegally participating in “canned” mountain lion hunts on January 24, 2021 and December 15, 2020 on Federal BLM and National Forest Service land. Utah law prohibits “canned hunts” of mountain lions. A canned hunt means that a cougar is treed, cornered, held at bay or its ability to escape is otherwise restricted to allow a person who was not a member of the initial hunting party to arrive and take the cougar. The federal Lacey Act prohibits selling in interstate commerce any wildlife taken or sold in violation of state law. The Lacey Act defines the “sale” of wildlife to include providing guiding or outfitting services.


Lemon owns and operates Wade Lemon Hunting based in Holden, Utah. Lemon advertises his business on his website and boasts nearly 100% success rates yearly. However, Lemon has cheated in illegal canned cougar hunts and has defrauded hunters.

This has been posted at least 3 previous times in this thread. I'm sure Tri will try to distract by talking about about "mailing a cat skin" or something about hate, but I want this just to be about Wade Lemon's criminal behavior. Nothing more.

Steers try, Tri! Better luck next time.

What about the 3 out of the 12 you mentioned above that are not hearsay and can be proved up? Let's talk about those so we don't stray off the path here. I did notice in the quote above it says "Lemon has cheated in illegal canned cougar hunts and has defrauded hunters." Hunts, plural, not singular like in this case. Hunters, plural, not singular like in this case. Maybe you're talking about the same instances as the US Attorney here?

 

[slamdunk]

Two Southern Utah Men Sentenced in Cougar Hunting Crime in Violation of the Lacey Act

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah – A U.S. District Court Judge sentenced the final defendant today in a crime that involved a Utah licensed big game outfitter and his employee/cougar hunting guide in the District of Utah. The two defendants were sentenced separately for their involvement in a crime that...

www.justice.gov

Not a mention of a cat skin….hmmmm

Be very careful, he'll insinuate you are lying when you display facts

 

[hossblur]

Are you saying there wasn't a cat skin?

I never brought up a skin. You did. Was that gossip?

 

[Vanilla]

See Vanilly, this entire post is hearsay and gossip. 3/4 of the accusations here can't be proven and aren't documented.

Post #756, in case you wanted to go back and edit it. I've got it documented, so it can be proven later if needed. Don't worry!

What are the 3 that can be proven and are documented? Of course, just because something wasn't "documented" doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I'm okay just talking about the 3 you know about. Let's talk about those. Let's get away from the conjecture and hearsay. Let's just talk about those three you've got that are documented and can be proven.

I like keeping this where it's supposed to be. I'm all ears!

 

[slamdunk]

Post #756, in case you wanted to go back and edit it. I've got it documented, so it can be proven later if needed. Don't worry!

What are the 3 that can be proven and are documented? Of course, just because something wasn't "documented" doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I'm okay just talking about the 3 you know about. Let's talk about those. Let's get away from the conjecture and hearsay. Let's just talk about those three you've got that are documented and can be proven.

I like keeping this where it's supposed to be. I'm all ears!

Easy Niller!
That's not being a "gentleman" during "someone's losses"

 

[Vanilla]

Easy Niller!
That's not being a "gentleman" during "someone's losses"

It’s Tri’s world, we are all just living in it.

I am just doing what he asked and not focusing on all the other stuff and hate. I just want to know which three incidents he has that are documented and can be proven.

After all, he was the one that said only 3/4 of the 12 accusations in the post were unprovable and undocumented. I’m just going off his words.

 

[Tristate]

Which event is hearsay? I didn't actually see you point to anything specific. I'm happy to consider anything you want to share.'

I also noticed that you didn't want to answer if the federal prison case or his upcoming bear case were in the 3 out of 12 you said were not hearsay and could be proved. I'm happy to hear your answer on that too.

Why would I. My whole point is not to gossip.

 

[Tristate]

Easy Niller!
That's not being a "gentleman" during "someone's losses"

Slam, your bitterness is showing.

 

[Tristate]

Post #756, in case you wanted to go back and edit it. I've got it documented, so it can be proven later if needed. Don't worry!

What are the 3 that can be proven and are documented? Of course, just because something wasn't "documented" doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I'm okay just talking about the 3 you know about. Let's talk about those. Let's get away from the conjecture and hearsay. Let's just talk about those three you've got that are documented and can be proven.

I like keeping this where it's supposed to be. I'm all ears!

Don't need to edit it. I nailed it.

 

[Tristate]

It’s Tri’s world, we are all just living in it.

I am just doing what he asked and not focusing on all the other stuff and hate. I just want to know which three incidents he has that are documented and can be proven.

After all, he was the one that said only 3/4 of the 12 accusations in the post were unprovable and undocumented. I’m just going off his words.

And see now you are misquoting me. Right back to lying. You really don't know how to deal.

 

[Tristate]

Straight from the DOJ, and not hearsay:

Wade Lemon, 63, of Holden, Utah, was sentenced July 18, 2024, to two months’ imprisonment, ordered by the court to pay a $10,500 fine, and a one-year commercial ban on federal land. According to court documents, and statements made during his change of plea hearing, Lemon admitted to illegally participating in “canned” mountain lion hunts on January 24, 2021 and December 15, 2020 on Federal BLM and National Forest Service land. Utah law prohibits “canned hunts” of mountain lions. A canned hunt means that a cougar is treed, cornered, held at bay or its ability to escape is otherwise restricted to allow a person who was not a member of the initial hunting party to arrive and take the cougar. The federal Lacey Act prohibits selling in interstate commerce any wildlife taken or sold in violation of state law. The Lacey Act defines the “sale” of wildlife to include providing guiding or outfitting services.


Lemon owns and operates Wade Lemon Hunting based in Holden, Utah. Lemon advertises his business on his website and boasts nearly 100% success rates yearly. However, Lemon has cheated in illegal canned cougar hunts and has defrauded hunters.

This has been posted at least 3 previous times in this thread. I'm sure Tri will try to distract by talking about about "mailing a cat skin" or something about hate, but I want this just to be about Wade Lemon's criminal behavior. Nothing more.

Steers try, Tri! Better luck next time.

What about the 3 out of the 12 you mentioned above that are not hearsay and can be proved up? Let's talk about those so we don't stray off the path here. I did notice in the quote above it says "Lemon has cheated in illegal canned cougar hunts and has defrauded hunters." Hunts, plural, not singular like in this case. Hunters, plural, not singular like in this case. Maybe you're talking about the same instances as the US Attorney here?

You're gobbling up that spin.

What made it a "canned lion hunt"?

What defrauded a hunter?

What constitutes "participation "?

Why is that what the feds mention but they aren't federal crimes?


Why are you so angry that I am pointing out the inconsistencies of this gossip?

 

[Tristate]

Straight from the DOJ, and not hearsay:

Wade Lemon, 63, of Holden, Utah, was sentenced July 18, 2024, to two months’ imprisonment, ordered by the court to pay a $10,500 fine, and a one-year commercial ban on federal land. According to court documents, and statements made during his change of plea hearing, Lemon admitted to illegally participating in “canned” mountain lion hunts on January 24, 2021 and December 15, 2020 on Federal BLM and National Forest Service land. Utah law prohibits “canned hunts” of mountain lions. A canned hunt means that a cougar is treed, cornered, held at bay or its ability to escape is otherwise restricted to allow a person who was not a member of the initial hunting party to arrive and take the cougar. The federal Lacey Act prohibits selling in interstate commerce any wildlife taken or sold in violation of state law. The Lacey Act defines the “sale” of wildlife to include providing guiding or outfitting services.


Lemon owns and operates Wade Lemon Hunting based in Holden, Utah. Lemon advertises his business on his website and boasts nearly 100% success rates yearly. However, Lemon has cheated in illegal canned cougar hunts and has defrauded hunters.

This has been posted at least 3 previous times in this thread. I'm sure Tri will try to distract by talking about about "mailing a cat skin" or something about hate, but I want this just to be about Wade Lemon's criminal behavior. Nothing more.

Steers try, Tri! Better luck next time.

What about the 3 out of the 12 you mentioned above that are not hearsay and can be proved up? Let's talk about those so we don't stray off the path here. I did notice in the quote above it says "Lemon has cheated in illegal canned cougar hunts and has defrauded hunters." Hunts, plural, not singular like in this case. Hunters, plural, not singular like in this case. Maybe you're talking about the same instances as the US Attorney here?

Wasn't the DOJ holding Epstien when he committed suicide?

You can trust them.

 

[coloradoman]

You're gobbling up that spin.

What made it a "canned lion hunt"?

What defrauded a hunter?

What constitutes "participation "?

Why is that what the feds mention but they aren't federal crimes?


Why are you so angry that I am pointing out the inconsistencies of this gossip?

Bwahahahaha
Funny chit right there… lol gossip

 

[hossblur]

Why would I. My whole point is not to gossip.

You should stop talking about a cat skin then. No proof, just whatever Wade told you..

 

[hossblur]

Wasn't the DOJ holding Epstien when he committed suicide?

You can trust them.

Oh dear gawd.

Now Wade is Epstein?

I'm sure he loves you speaking for him

 

[sweinrich]

I'm not posting hate or negativity.

You are posting stupidity.

 

[Vanilla]

Don't need to edit it. I nailed it.

I'm just proud of you for finally admitting there are provable and documented illegal actions at play, and in your words, three of them.

I think the number is higher than that, but three is a good starting point!

 

[hossblur]

You're gobbling up that spin.

What made it a "canned lion hunt"?


Utah law prohibits ‘canned hunts’ of mountain lions,” the release states. “A canned hunt means that a cougar is treed, cornered, held at bay or its ability to escape is otherwise restricted to allow a person who was not a member of the initial hunting party to arrive and take the cougar.”

the act defines the “sale” of wildlife to include providing guiding or outfitting services

What defrauded a hunter?

The crime involved a Utah-licensed big game outfitter and his employee, who is named as a cougar hunting guide. The two defrauded hunters by leading canned hunts for commercial gain, in violation of the Lacey Act — a U.S. law that prohibits the illegal trafficking of fish, wildlife, and plants.

What constitutes "participation "?


Wade cashed the check, as the licensed outfitter

Why is that what the feds mention but they aren't federal crimes?

The hunts took place on federal Bureau of Land Management and National Forest Service land.


Why are you so angry that I am pointing out the inconsistencies of this gossip?

No one is mad, your not 6

 

[Vanilla]

Wasn't the DOJ holding Epstien when he committed suicide?

You can trust them.

Can I trust Wade's own admissions out of his own mouth, in court, on the record? Or would those be "hearsay" and "gossip" for him to say those things as well?

 

[Vanilla]

And see now you are misquoting me. Right back to lying. You really don't know how to deal.

If quoting your exact words is "misquoting" in your world, then go with that.

But again, you're just trying to distract. Wade admitted in open court to his crimes, on the record. That case is now a federal conviction, and he was sentenced to federal prison.

He has another case set for trial in February on an illegal bear hunt with an interesting witness list.

He has multiple other offenses that are documented and have been charged. Like I asked above, should we start at 1992 just from the public record?

I'm keeping this on topic, why do you keep trying to distract? Why do you hate Wade so bad that you keep dragging his name through the mud? Who needs enemies when one can have "buddies" like Tristate?

 

[slamdunk]

You're gobbling up that spin.

What made it a "canned lion hunt"?

What defrauded a hunter?

What constitutes "participation "?

Why is that what the feds mention but they aren't federal crimes?


Why are you so angry that I am pointing out the inconsistencies of this gossip?

The DOJ report is just "gossip"?