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HuntinAddict said:
You already have (Figuratively Speaking)
That's the beauty of it ;)
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There’s only two punch bowls we can drink out of……. One is full of European Socialism, the Green New Deal, Gun Control, Mail In Elections, Open Borders, Single Source Media, Equal Pay for Unequal Work, Perceptual Medical Lock Downs, Revolving Door Criminal Justice, Fentanyl for All, Homeless Parks for the Mentally Ill. The second bowl does not.

I’ll drink my kool-aide out of the second bowl, for as long as the folks drinking out of bowl number one will allow me to. Any bets on how long they’ll allow that?
 
WOW reading the 4 pages got tiring.
What happen to the Golden God.
Lots of facts are coming out now and if you think is all BS here your sign.
 
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Luckily, as Grizz points out, it's sedition to challenge elections, so all these folks are in solitary in DC.

Because "our democracy" is about laws and justice
 
When it comes to Trump, in fact, the indictment includes a message from Rhodes that actually seems to cut against any potential entanglement by the former president in the conspiracy. At 1:30 p.m. on Jan. 6, just after rioters began storming the Capitol, Rhodes texted on Signal, “All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything. So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They’ve had enough.” This certainly doesn’t sound like a message from someone who had been plotting with Trump or was waiting for his signal to start smashing windows. -Lawfare



Don't let things like facts get in the way.

Go ahead, Grizz, post up how everyone is a sheep, and you're the expert.

Or, since your watching the drivel, maybe try reading actual charges and evidence instead of this infomercial.

If the dude charged with seditious conspiracy is on record bitching Trump isn't doing anything, is it fair to assume, Trump wasn't doing anything?

Dumbasses on the left have cried wolf, and make so many baseless accusations, even dudes like myself who think Trump is an a-hole, now defend him. And I'm not alone.

Clowns.
 
Keep it up, hoss, you're convincing nobody and I already told y'all I have no desire to discuss with somebody the actual facts when they're willfully ignoring the information right in front of their nose repeating what they heard on talk radio and read on Facebook. You can believe whatever you want, it's uninteresting to me to have a discussion with a record player stuck on a track repeatedly playing the entirely wrong genre. You've made no points exonerating Trump, all you've done is try and make it about everybody else.

I also explained to you how nonsensical it is to try and justify one bad act by pointing to another bad act, yet that's what you've stuck with. It's basically the same tactic as a defense attorney with no actual exonerating evidence so they just hope to muddy the water and pray the jury will get lost.

BLM could be the worst people in the world, I've never defended them, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump convincing millions of "[un]informed Americans" (Trump's CoS John Kelly's quote) that the election was stolen, when even members of his own family and staff know he lost fair and square.

Bottom line is nobody on MM has any pull in what actually happens with Trump so I don't care enough to keep pointing out the logical fallacies to those who plug their ears and regurgitate the same fallacy again two posts later hoping to get a ?? from somebody that has no clue what's actually going on, they just ?? anything that defends their guy.
 
Regardless of what you think of orange-man. One thing is for sure, this is not an unbiased hearing. And not how every single congressional hearing has ever been conducted in the history of our country.
Every attorney/prosecutor on the planet would love to walk into a courtroom/hearing where: 1. zero evidence is allowed to counter their argument. 2. zero opportunity is allowed hear from opposing witnesses. 3. zero opportunity for their own witnesses to be subject to cross examination. Every attorney on the planet will win 100% of their cases if this show trial was the legal standard.
 
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JPickett said:
maga Q conspiracy nut I am
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^^^^^ tell us again how there were more ballots than registered voters. Or maybe tell us how the Texas elementary school shooting was not real but orchestrated by "forces" trying to destroy America.

Like I said above, it would be like trying to explain to Tri why poaching is bad, I don't care to get into it. Keep believing what you want, it's totally your right to do it.
 
wetmule said:
Regardless of what you think of orange-man. One thing is for sure, this is not an unbiased hearing. And not how every single congressional hearing has ever been conducted in the history of our country.
Every attorney/prosecutor on the planet would love to walk into a courtroom/hearing where: 1. zero evidence is allowed to counter their argument. 2. zero opportunity is allowed hear from opposing witnesses. 3. zero opportunity for their own witnesses to be subject to cross examination. Every attorney on the planet will win 100% of their cases is this show trial was the legal standard.
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That's why I didn't watch it. I knew it was just an infomercial for the Democrat party paid for by the taxpayers.

Did Trump overthrow the government or remain in power? Did he do anything that the Democrats haven't done?
 
wetmule said:
Regardless of what you think of orange-man. One thing is for sure, this is not an unbiased hearing. And not how every single congressional hearing has ever been conducted in the history of our country.
Every attorney/prosecutor on the planet would love to walk into a courtroom/hearing where: 1. zero evidence is allowed to counter their argument. 2. zero opportunity is allowed hear from opposing witnesses. 3. zero opportunity for their own witnesses to be subject to cross examination. Every attorney on the planet will win 100% of their cases is this show trial was the legal standard.
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You're correct that Trump doesn't have a voice on the Committee. You may have noticed Trump complaining lately about McCarthy's decision to pull the other Republicans from the Committee. Trump says now they have no voice at all and thinks it was the wrong decision. Their plan was to just say the Commission was biased and hope Americans ignored it. The problem is they didn't anticipate this much bad information from Trump's own people.

I keep seeing people here say the testimony is from Democrats or is biased. I just chuckle because it's obvious they say that from a position of ignorance; I haven't seen hardly anybody that isn't decidedly pro-Trump (or non-partisan, like a Capitol police officer) called as a witness or have their depositions aired.

Regardless of who sits on the Committee, the people being interviewed under oath are Trump's people and it looks really bad for him.

It's not Adam Schiff giving testimony that hurts Trump, he's just asking the questions. The harmful information is coming from Trump's own attorneys, staff, appointees, and Cabinet members. Unless you're saying they ALL rolled on Trump and are lying under oath, then it's very clear what happened in the lead-up to January 6th... except to those who won't watch it because they don't want to see what they don't want to see.
 
grizzly said:
actual facts when they're willfully ignoring the information right in front of their nose
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I mean can you imagine how dense you would have to be to have said some of the things this guy had said on here snd then type something like this :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Man this is better then cable TV!!! Keep it coming :LOL:
 
grizzly said:
actual facts when they're willfully ignoring the information right in front of their nose
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I mean right after like two pages worth of posts from hoss showing actual video of everything the guy calls “ insurrection “ with the only difference being people he likes doing it!!! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Man there are not enough laugh emoji’s on the inter web for a clown like this!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL: This is great
 
grizzly said:
Keep it up, hoss, you're convincing nobody and I already told y'all I have no desire to discuss with somebody the actual facts when they're willfully ignoring the information right in front of their nose repeating what they heard on talk radio and read on Facebook. You can believe whatever you want, it's uninteresting to me to have a discussion with a record player stuck on a track repeatedly playing the entirely wrong genre. You've made no points exonerating Trump, all you've done is try and make it about everybody else.

I also explained to you how nonsensical it is to try and justify one bad act by pointing to another bad act, yet that's what you've stuck with. It's basically the same tactic as a defense attorney with no actual exonerating evidence so they just hope to muddy the water and pray the jury will get lost.

BLM could be the worst people in the world, I've never defended them, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump convincing millions of "[un]informed Americans" (Trump's CoS John Kelly's quote) that the election was stolen, when even members of his own family and staff know he lost fair and square.

Bottom line is nobody on MM has any pull in what actually happens with Trump so I don't care enough to keep pointing out the logical fallacies to those who plug their ears and regurgitate the same fallacy again two posts later hoping to get a ?? from somebody that has no clue what's actually going on, they just ?? anything that defends their guy.
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The only facts that matter.

Trump hasn't been charged.

You can spin on your head, jump up and down.

Post memes. Call names. Make slanderous charges.

But last I checked. Still no charges.

Oh, I know. Soon. They are coming soon?
 
grizzly said:
You're correct that Trump doesn't have a voice on the Committee. You may have noticed Trump complaining lately about McCarthy's decision to pull the other Republicans from the Committee. Trump says now they have no voice at all and thinks it was the wrong decision. Their plan was to just say the Commission was biased and hope Americans ignored it. The problem is they didn't anticipate this much bad information from Trump's own people.

I keep seeing people here say the testimony is from Democrats or is biased. I just chuckle because it's obvious they say that from a position of ignorance; I haven't seen hardly anybody that isn't decidedly pro-Trump (or non-partisan, like a Capitol police officer) called as a witness or have their depositions aired.

Regardless of who sits on the Committee, the people being interviewed under oath are Trump's people and it looks really bad for him.

It's not Adam Schiff giving testimony that hurts Trump, he's just asking the questions. The harmful information is coming from Trump's own attorneys, staff, appointees, and Cabinet members. Unless you're saying they ALL rolled on Trump and are lying under oath, then it's very clear what happened in the lead-up to January 6th... except to those who won't watch it because they don't want to see what they don't want to see.
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thehill.com

39 percent in new poll say they have watched, listened to Jan. 6 hearings

Nearly 4 in 10 registered voters say they watched at least part of last week’s daytime hearings held by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, according t…
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Just us MM guys. And the other 61% of the country.

If only they'd watch, why they'd see, .......the same crap we've seen since Jan, 2016.

MEH
 
hossblur said:
The only facts that matter.

Trump hasn't been charged.

You can spin on your head, jump up and down.

Post memes. Call names. Make slanderous charges.

But last I checked. Still no charges.

Oh, I know. Soon. They are coming soon?
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Trump hasn't been charged, he may never be. I never said he'd be charged, in fact, I said he probably wouldn't. I also said that's a poor litmus test and one I disagree with. I also said even if he is charged, his supporters will argue those aren't legitimate anyway. If you suddenly say that if Trump is charged, should it come to that, that you're acknowledging what he did was wrong, then I'll give you total props.

I did post a meme directed to one person in response to his; I probably shouldn't have done that as it's a cheap post with no thought value.

I do believe I've refrained from name calling or "slanderous charges." I hope I didn't let something slip through, as I try and not stoop to that level.
 
grizzly said:
Keep it up, hoss, you're convincing nobody and I already told y'all I have no desire to discuss with somebody the actual facts when they're willfully ignoring the information right in front of their nose repeating what they heard on talk radio and read on Facebook. You can believe whatever you want, it's uninteresting to me to have a discussion with a record player stuck on a track repeatedly playing the entirely wrong genre. You've made no points exonerating Trump, all you've done is try and make it about everybody else.

I also explained to you how nonsensical it is to try and justify one bad act by pointing to another bad act, yet that's what you've stuck with. It's basically the same tactic as a defense attorney with no actual exonerating evidence so they just hope to muddy the water and pray the jury will get lost.

BLM could be the worst people in the world, I've never defended them, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump convincing millions of "[un]informed Americans" (Trump's CoS John Kelly's quote) that the election was stolen, when even members of his own family and staff know he lost fair and square.

Bottom line is nobody on MM has any pull in what actually happens with Trump so I don't care enough to keep pointing out the logical fallacies to those who plug their ears and regurgitate the same fallacy again two posts later hoping to get a ?? from somebody that has no clue what's actually going on, they just ?? anything that defends their guy.
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I'll quote myself.

The dude charged with seditious conspiracy:
When it comes to Trump, in fact, the indictment includes a message from Rhodes that actually seems to cut against any potential entanglement by the former president in the conspiracy. At 1:30 p.m. on Jan. 6, just after rioters began storming the Capitol, Rhodes texted on Signal, “All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything. So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They’ve had enough.” This certainly doesn’t sound like a message from someone who had been plotting with Trump or was waiting for his signal to start smashing windows. -Lawfare
 
grizzly said:
Trump hasn't been charged, he may never be. I never said he'd be charged, in fact, I said he probably wouldn't. I also said that's a poor litmus test and one I disagree with. I also said even if he is charged, his supporters will argue those aren't legitimate anyway. If you suddenly say that if Trump is charged, should it come to that, that you're acknowledging what he did was wrong, then I'll give you total props.

I did post a meme directed to one person in response to his; I probably shouldn't have done that as it's a cheap post with no thought value.

I do believe I've refrained from name calling or "slanderous charges." I hope I didn't let something slip through, as I try and not stoop to that level.
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how could you get lower ??
 
hossblur said:
I'll quote myself.

The dude charged with seditious conspiracy:
When it comes to Trump, in fact, the indictment includes a message from Rhodes that actually seems to cut against any potential entanglement by the former president in the conspiracy. At 1:30 p.m. on Jan. 6, just after rioters began storming the Capitol, Rhodes texted on Signal, “All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything. So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They’ve had enough.” This certainly doesn’t sound like a message from someone who had been plotting with Trump or was waiting for his signal to start smashing windows. -Lawfare
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There is also video of the rioters reading Trump's tweets via a megaphone to the crowd as they're breaking windows to get into the Capitol. There's also video of the rioters yelling into cell phone cameras that they're doing this for Trump and he told them to do it.

Go watch the hearings and you'll see it all. It's not spoken or recorded by a Democrat, it's total MAGA and they say it loud and clear.
 
grizzly said:
Keep it up, hoss, you're convincing nobody and I already told y'all I have no desire to discuss with somebody the actual facts when they're willfully ignoring the information right in front of their nose repeating what they heard on talk radio and read on Facebook. You can believe whatever you want, it's uninteresting to me to have a discussion with a record player stuck on a track repeatedly playing the entirely wrong genre. You've made no points exonerating Trump, all you've done is try and make it about everybody else.

I also explained to you how nonsensical it is to try and justify one bad act by pointing to another bad act, yet that's what you've stuck with. It's basically the same tactic as a defense attorney with no actual exonerating evidence so they just hope to muddy the water and pray the jury will get lost.

BLM could be the worst people in the world, I've never defended them, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump convincing millions of "[un]informed Americans" (Trump's CoS John Kelly's quote) that the election was stolen, when even members of his own family and staff know he lost fair and square.

Bottom line is nobody on MM has any pull in what actually happens with Trump so I don't care enough to keep pointing out the logical fallacies to those who plug their ears and regurgitate the same fallacy again two posts later hoping to get a ?? from somebody that has no clue what's actually going on, they just ?? anything that defends their guy.
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Bottom line is in America you get to defend yourself.

Or at least have representation to defend yourself.

A panel of democrats, isn't exactly "fair".

And YUP, Liz Cheney is campaigning for Wyoming democrat votes, OFFICIALLY.

BTW. I DONT HAVE FACEBOOK. I listen to shows like Breaking Points(who are also clowning this).

Outside of MSNBC, CNN, and the DC in crowd, no one cares.

You can look at the numbers yourself,.
 
grizzly said:
There is also video of the rioters reading Trump's tweets via a megaphone to the crowd as they're breaking windows to get into the Capitol. There's also video of the rioters yelling into cell phone cameras that they're doing this for Trump and he told them to do it.

Go watch the hearings and you'll see it all. It's not spoken or recorded by a Democrat, it's total MAGA and they say it loud and clear.
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So some dude, on a megaphone(was his name Ray Eps, there's video of that FBI INFORMANT SAYING THE SAME THING).

So, counselor. Since Trump told people on the phone to do something, then there for sure are phone records with texts from Trump's phone, right?


I met a homeless dude in San Fran one day. Told me about how Darth Vader kidnapped his family . Obviously, it must be true, he did say so
 
grizzly said:
There is also video of the rioters reading Trump's tweets via a megaphone to the crowd as they're breaking windows to get into the Capitol. There's also video of the rioters yelling into cell phone cameras that they're doing this for Trump and he told them to do it.

Go watch the hearings and you'll see it all. It's not spoken or recorded by a Democrat, it's total MAGA and they say it loud and clear.
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Oh, I saw loud and clear when these same Dems demanded the right answer for trying to kidnap Gretchen Witmer.
 
grizzly said:
There is also video of the rioters reading Trump's tweets via a megaphone to the crowd as they're breaking windows to get into the Capitol. There's also video of the rioters yelling into cell phone cameras that they're doing this for Trump and he told them to do it.

Go watch the hearings and you'll see it all. It's not spoken or recorded by a Democrat, it's total MAGA and they say it loud and clear.
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I do find it a bit absurd that the smoking gun is a guy with a megaphone reading tweets.
 
hossblur said:
So some dude, on a megaphone(was his name Ray Eps, there's video of that FBI INFORMANT SAYING THE SAME THING).

So, counselor. Since Trump told people on the phone to do something, then there for sure are phone records with texts from Trump's phone, right?


I met a homeless dude in San Fran one day. Told me about how Darth Vader kidnapped his family . Obviously, it must be true, he did say so
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You realize that my response was to you quoting yourself quoting somebody else, right? Then when I show you an equally valid quote from another person charged in the insurrection you suddenly disregard it as invalid. You then, again, try and deflect by muddying the water with accusations about Epps. Even if he was an informant, which he isn't, it wouldn't change what Trump did or make the actions of the attackers any less legitimate. We likely have informants inside of Al-Qaeda, that doesn't mean Al-Qaeda isn't a terrorist organization.

Your post goes to my point, you're not looking for the truth. You think you have a winning point when one guy said Trump wasn't doing enough, when another guy says they're there because of Trump, but it's now akin to a Darth Vader reference and not actionable.

PS. This isn't a criminal trial, it's a Committee Hearing. There's no right to defend one's self in this setting, even Trump knows his rights aren't being violated. It's more like a Grand Jury, another situation when the defense doesn't get to present evidence and only the prosecutor gets time to talk.

PPS. 20MM Americans watched the first night and 40% watched some of the daytime hearings. Those news channels would kill for that type of coverage on a regular basis!

www.independent.co.uk

Trump blames Kevin McCarthy for his Jan 6 hearing disaster

The former president says it would have been good to have representation on the select committee after Republican House minority leader pulled his members
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JPickett said:
Oh man!!! Another instant classic from the king of Hippocrates :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Keep it going man!! Haven’t had a good clown show on here for like 4 minutes:LOL:
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Hippocrates? The Greek physician? Wow. Thanks!

Your command of the English language is exemplary!
 
grizzly said:
actual facts when they're willfully ignoring the information right in front of their nose
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Yeah yeah yeah, talk to the auto correct. It even capitalized it for me so I guess it’s working.

Not surprised at the weakest of all internet trolling (spell check) and no response to your pants around your ankles typing something as stupid as this :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: What a hack clown
 
JPickett said:
Yeah yeah yeah, talk to the auto correct. It even capitalized it for me so I guess it’s working.

Not surprised at the weakest of all internet trolling (spell check) and no response to your pants around your ankles typing something as stupid as this :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: What a hack clown
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Haha, if you knew how to spell hypocrite, your phone wouldn't think you were typing Hippocrates as they're on different parts of the keyboard. Don't blame spell check, just own it.

By the way, it's pretty sophomoric to repeatedly resort to name calling and then accuse somebody else of trolling. The proper term for that is hypocrisy, not to be confused with Hippocrates.
 
Trump 2024 Let's go Brandon. Why were no democrats charged for sedition? Calling out George W. Bush and Trump as illegitimate? Trying to reassign electors to change a presidential election?

Can Sleepy Joe and Calamity Harris just go away?
 
You know…… it’s kind of interesting…….. in the last 6 plus years, all of the made up accusations that have been made against Trump. Some charges were criminal in nature, some treasonous, some unbecoming a candidate for President, some unbecoming a setting President, etc. outside of the kangaroo impeachment, which was trumped up (bad pun) over the Ukraine, had zero effect, I’ve lost count and I’m sure there are bunch of accusations I’ve never heard about. Yet, including 4 days of hearings for insurrection and still even some Democrats Congressmen believe no one is listening and believe the hearings will have no effect on the November election. My confirmation bias is screaming at me again, that this is another empty attempt to discredit Trump, for political gain and nothing more.

Now, I could be counting the chickens before they hatch and I could be eating crow before this insurrection attempt is over but it sure is starting to smell just like all the other failed attempts.

And, I’m compelled to ask this question, after all the past attempts and all the failures to prove him guilty………why should I believe, “they’ve got him this time”?

And, why should I assume that, if the Insurection hearing, fails, like all the other have, that those that hates Trump will change their opinion one iota? Their confirmation bias will find a way to prove him guilty, whether the government does or not.

Same game……. different accusation.
 
And I would never criticize any of trolling, I’m all for it. I will point out it’s lowest form though. Kinda funny you mention sophomoric, one more example of your lack of self awareness
 
2lumpy said:
You know…… it’s kind of interesting…….. in the last 6 plus years, all of the made up accusations that have been made against Trump. Some charges were criminal in nature, some treasonous, some unbecoming a candidate for President, some unbecoming a setting President, etc. outside of the kangaroo impeachment, which was trumped up (bad pun) over the Ukraine, had zero effect, I’ve lost count and I’m sure there are bunch of accusations I’ve never heard about. Yet, including 4 days of hearings for insurrection and still even some Democrats Congressmen believe no one is listening and believe the hearings will have no effect on the November election. My confirmation bias is screaming at me again, that this is another empty attempt to discredit Trump, for political gain and nothing more.

Now, I could be counting the chickens before they hatch and I could be eating crow before this insurrection attempt is over but it sure is starting to smell just like all the other failed attempts.

And, I’m compelled to ask this question, after all the past attempts and all the failures to prove him guilty………why should I believe, “they’ve got him this time”?

And, why should I assume that, if the Insurection hearing, fails, like all the other have, that those that hates Trump will change their opinion one iota? Their confirmation bias will find a way to prove him guilty, whether the government does or not.

Same game……. different accusation.
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Remember how high a pedestal these clowns held muller or what ever that empty heads name was? How sure they were :ROFLMAO: so funny. Here comes another nothing burger:LOL:
 
JPickett said:
Didn’t want to contaminate lumpy’s quote with this garbage so needed a second post. See, keeping my word
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Think nothing of it JB, my quotes are nothing more than the musing of a bias old man, hopeless lusting for imaginary relevance, in a land with a yellow brick road, a tinman and a scarecrow.
 
I'm watching the DVR of today's hearings now. Trump's AG Rosen and Deputy AG Donoghue are testifying in-person. It's wholly damning to hear them go through the various conspiracy theories about election fraud and the investigative tactics undertaken by the FBI and how the DOJ knew those conspiracies were false.

No trucks of ballots to Pennsylvania, no suitcases of ballots in Georgia, no voting machine fraud, etc... None.

And these are Trump's guys testifying, they even have copies of their handwritten notes from their meetings with Trump.

They're also going through the attempts by Trump to get Jeff Clark put in as AG and the letter he wrote that he wanted sent to the various battleground states. They also have texts between Mark Meadows and Congressman Perry about getting Clark installed as AG and the fallacy of Perry's claims that more votes were cast in Pennsylvania than there were voters registered.
 
grizzly said:
You realize that my response was to you quoting yourself quoting somebody else, right? Then when I show you an equally valid quote from another person charged in the insurrection you suddenly disregard it as invalid. You then, again, try and deflect by muddying the water with accusations about Epps. Even if he was an informant, which he isn't, it wouldn't change what Trump did or make the actions of the attackers any less legitimate. We likely have informants inside of Al-Qaeda, that doesn't mean Al-Qaeda isn't a terrorist organization.

Your post goes to my point, you're not looking for the truth. You think you have a winning point when one guy said Trump wasn't doing enough, when another guy says they're there because of Trump, but it's now akin to a Darth Vader reference and not actionable.

PS. This isn't a criminal trial, it's a Committee Hearing. There's no right to defend one's self in this setting, even Trump knows his rights aren't being violated. It's more like a Grand Jury, another situation when the defense doesn't get to present evidence and only the prosecutor gets time to talk.

PPS. 20MM Americans watched the first night and 40% watched some of the daytime hearings. Those news channels would kill for that type of coverage on a regular basis!

www.independent.co.uk

Trump blames Kevin McCarthy for his Jan 6 hearing disaster

The former president says it would have been good to have representation on the select committee after Republican House minority leader pulled his members
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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I'm a little shocked. I'm usually the one playing fast and loose with language. For some reason this topic has you wound up.

Because I took Civics:

"committees are selected through a two-step procedure where the Democratic Caucus and the Republican Conference recommends members to serve on Committees, the majority party recommends a Chairman, and the Minority Party recommends a Ranking Member and finally "

I don't seem to see a single member that was recommended by the R.

Second.

If I'm standing on the sidewalk on a megaphone yelling to burn down a house because Grizz told us too, and someone does it, are you guilty of arson?

That is why I keep putting up the Sanders part. No one in their right mind thinks Sanders sought to have a bunch of Republican murdered, despite his years of rhetoric. Holding him responsible for the actions of someone who he didn't know but supported him would be assinine. The same is true here. If there was communication from Trump, that would be different.

You(and this dog and pony show) keep trying to blur the line of legality. Yes, he's an ass. No, being an ass isn't illegal.

Further. As of the 13th, 865 people have been charged. 855 haven't been charged with sedition. The vast majority were charged with Trespassing.

The Oath Keepers are the ones charged with seditious conspiracy. Meaning an organized attempt to overthrow gov. None of them is named Trump. Further, as I posted twice, those charged with seditious conspiracy, are on "tape" complaining Trump wasn't doing anything and they'd have to work alone.

Now, who should know more. Megaphone dude reading the same tweets anyone with a Twitter account did (yet didn't go to DC), or the dudes organizing to "overthrow" the gov?

Lastly. And most importantly, because the entire point of this is pure politics, Trump getting charged, SCREWS the Dems. Polling out now shows Biden beats Trump again. BUT, Desantis beats Biden. And the d have no one else(Gavin Newsome?????).
So charging Trump, gives power to the R. Possibly complete power.

If they had the smoking gun, they would have offered it up on day one, when as you say, 20 million we're watching. They don't, and they know it.
 
One thing is for chit'in sure , the orange loser toast. the FAUX propaganda team has been watching the 1/6 shows and even they've admitted hey can't spin this one. and he won't go down alone.

Now Desantis will move in for the kill and Trump knows it's coming , his fat azz is trembling. I can't wait to see this tard fight.

Biden is over, Harris is over , Trump is toast and Pence's chances are 0.0 % . the field is wide open
 
Togwotee said:
One thing is for chit'in sure , the orange loser toast. the FAUX propaganda team has been watching the 1/6 shows and even they've admitted hey can't spin this one. and he won't go down alone.

Now Desantis will move in for the kill and Trump knows it's coming , his fat azz is trembling. I can't wait to see this tard fight.

Biden is over, Harris is over , Trump is toast and Pence's chances are 0.0 % . the field is wide open
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You paint a purdy picture.
 
hossblur said:
I'm a little shocked. I'm usually the one playing fast and loose with language. For some reason this topic has you wound up.

Because I took Civics:

"committees are selected through a two-step procedure where the Democratic Caucus and the Republican Conference recommends members to serve on Committees, the majority party recommends a Chairman, and the Minority Party recommends a Ranking Member and finally "

I don't seem to see a single member that was recommended by the R.

Second.

If I'm standing on the sidewalk on a megaphone yelling to burn down a house because Grizz told us too, and someone does it, are you guilty of arson?

That is why I keep putting up the Sanders part. No one in their right mind thinks Sanders sought to have a bunch of Republican murdered, despite his years of rhetoric. Holding him responsible for the actions of someone who he didn't know but supported him would be assinine. The same is true here. If there was communication from Trump, that would be different.

You(and this dog and pony show) keep trying to blur the line of legality. Yes, he's an ass. No, being an ass isn't illegal.

Further. As of the 13th, 865 people have been charged. 855 haven't been charged with sedition. The vast majority were charged with Trespassing.

The Oath Keepers are the ones charged with seditious conspiracy. Meaning an organized attempt to overthrow gov. None of them is named Trump. Further, as I posted twice, those charged with seditious conspiracy, are on "tape" complaining Trump wasn't doing anything and they'd have to work alone.

Now, who should know more. Megaphone dude reading the same tweets anyone with a Twitter account did (yet didn't go to DC), or the dudes organizing to "overthrow" the gov?

Lastly. And most importantly, because the entire point of this is pure politics, Trump getting charged, SCREWS the Dems. Polling out now shows Biden beats Trump again. BUT, Desantis beats Biden. And the d have no one else(Gavin Newsome?????).
So charging Trump, gives power to the R. Possibly complete power.

If they had the smoking gun, they would have offered it up on day one, when as you say, 20 million we're watching. They don't, and they know it.
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Yes, you continue to be fast and loose with language and are misinterpreting my posts, psychologists call it "motivated reasoning." I, however, am not worked up at all. That's why I just ignore your misinterpretions and attempts at spin and move on. It's not important enough to me to try and refute your points line-by-line. You're making jumps that just aren't there.
 
I’m definitely not a all trump all the time. But it has been a witch hunt for years. If they had anything he would already be toast. I think there are probably more pressing items in the world Other then Jan 6 hearings. I’m more concerned about what actually affects me. Not one group of rich old dudes slandering another group of old dudes.
 
1989Cohunter said:
I’m definitely not a all trump all the time. But it has been a witch hunt for years. If they had anything he would already be toast. I think there are probably more pressing items in the world Other then Jan 6 hearings. I’m more concerned about what actually affects me. Not one group of rich old dudes slandering another group of old dudes.
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this is the most important thing ever!! what are you talking about? never mind it cost you 180 bucks to fill your truck up this morning. completely disregard the fact that you are paying twice as much if not more for food. don't even think about the constitution and bill of rights currently being lit on fire. pay no attention to the fact that free speech isn't a thing any more. trouble not your heart that a handful of the super rich completely control the direction of our government. worry not that an endless propaganda machine is brain washing entire generations of the youth. don't even think about the re writing of history and the indoctrination of the schools!

didn't you see the guy with cow horns on his head high on mushrooms in a public building!!! it was a God Damn invasion the likes this country has never seen!!! 9/11. pearl harbor!!! not even close
 
It would seem there is a large faction of people who won’t be happy until trump is executed. And the Republican Party is dismantled. And after that another villain will be found and we will re start the whole thing. Once we start giving up rights of any sort, I believe they are all in danger.
 
1989Cohunter said:
It would seem there is a large faction of people who won’t be happy until trump is executed. And the Republican Party is dismantled. And after that another villain will be found and we will re start the whole thing. Once we start giving up rights of any sort, I believe they are all in danger.
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Interesting perspective, and it goes back to the OP so I'm interested in your take. I've asked Lumpy three times but he won't answer.

Do you think the Republican Party exists without Trump?

Do you think a conservative person is therefore a Republican, or do you agree an ideology isn't the same as a political party?

What are you called if you're conservative but are anti-Trump?

Can you even be conservative if you don't like Trump, or does that automatically make you liberal?
 
Yes I think it exists without trump. As it should. I would say I’m conservative, but I don’t really have a “party”. I definitely align more with republicans. And I believe you can be conservative and not like trump. I don’t like him but I thought he did a decent job. And no I think it narrow minded to say if you don’t like trump your a liberal.
 
1989Cohunter said:
Yes I think it exists without trump. As it should. I would say I’m conservative, but I don’t really have a “party”. I definitely align more with republicans. And I believe you can be conservative and not like trump. I don’t like him but I thought he did a decent job. And no I think it narrow minded to say if you don’t like trump your a liberal.
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I agree with that.

Here's the kicker... Is Liz Cheney a solid Republican? Mitt Romney?

They both voted with Trump over 90% of the time and have conservative scores over 90%, but many people say they aren't real Republicans because they're anti-Trump.

I disagree with that sentiment, and it seems from your answers you do as well, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.
 
grizzly said:
Interesting perspective, and it goes back to the OP so I'm interested in your take. I've asked Lumpy three times but he won't answer.

Do you think the Republican Party exists without Trump?

Do you think a conservative person is therefore a Republican, or do you agree an ideology isn't the same as a political party?

What are you called if you're conservative but are anti-Trump?

Can you even be conservative if you don't like Trump, or does that automatically make you liberal?
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would you vote for a democrat that publicly stated Trump did not commit "insurrection"?
 
I don’t care for mitt Romney never really have. As far as Liz cheney, if she voted with trump 90% of time why the switch? I don’t know a whole lot about her. So I hate to speak on it, both seem to institutionalized. And I personally don’t care for that. But I’m just a small man who wants a small government. And to more or less be left to live my life.
 
JB1975 said:
Roe v Wade just overturned. Coat hangers will be in short supply asap.
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yeah cuz its real hard not to get pregnant :rolleyes: i mean who even knows how it happens? magic? stork? we may never know?

score one for the unborn. maybe a small percentage of them wont be murdered now. how controversial...
 
JPickett said:
yeah cuz its real hard not to get pregnant :rolleyes: i mean who even knows how it happens? magic? stork? we may never know?

score one for the unborn. maybe a small percentage of them wont be murdered now. how controversial...
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thehill.com

Thomas calls for overturning precedents on contraceptives, LGBTQ rights

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas on Friday called for overturning the constitutional rights the court had affirmed for access to contraceptives and LGBTQ rights in an opinion concurring with t…
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It’s funny, he wants to ban everything except interracial marriage, which he is apart of.
 
" Democracy in peril , DOJ searches Trump's acting AG's house " then we have the lamest response in history , who cares gas is expensive " priceless.

The reason Trump hasn't already been indicted is simple. he was the president there are huge implications to an unprecedented move like that it takes time. and he may never be indicted for those reasons, but others have and will be.

So far we have a few patriotic insiders who have put a noose around the fat mans neck and the rope is tightening. we have 10 million I don't remembers, 20 million I'll take the 5th's and at least a half dozen I WANT A PARDON's . it all looks so innocent and benign doesn't it ?

So the question is, are you that stupid or are you just a that chitty of an American ? the gig is up and the big lie is dead as a truck pressed pheasant, real Americans want justice and they should demand lot of apologies.
 
Togwotee said:
" Democracy in peril , DOJ searches Trump's acting AG's house " then we have the lamest response in history , who cares gas is expensive " priceless.

The reason Trump hasn't already been indicted is simple. he was the president there are huge implications to an unprecedented move like that it takes time. and he may never be indicted for those reasons, but others have and will be.

So far we have a few patriotic insiders who have put a noose around the fat mans neck and the rope is tightening. we have 10 million I don't remembers, 20 million I'll take the 5th's and at least a half dozen I WANT A PARDON's . it all looks so innocent and benign doesn't it ?

So the question is, are you that stupid or are you just a that chitty of an American ? the gig is up and the big lie is dead as a truck pressed pheasant, real Americans want justice and they should demand lot of apologies
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Who hurt you?
 
1989Cohunter said:
Yes I think it exists without trump. As it should. I would say I’m conservative, but I don’t really have a “party”. I definitely align more with republicans. And I believe you can be conservative and not like trump. I don’t like him but I thought he did a decent job. And no I think it narrow minded to say if you don’t like trump your a liberal.
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I am all in with and for Donald Trump. Do I like his style, I do not. Did I like Pres. Grant’s style? I did not. Did I like George Patten’s style? I did not. Did I like Davy Crockett’s style, I did not. BUT, where would we be with out them?

I have good friends, that hate Trump, they are as conservative as any conservative I’ve ever met. They are up my backside, everyday, because I’m all in for Trump. They can’t understand how I could possibly support the guy. They don’t see the world through my eyes and they never will.

There are times and places when the situation calls for a nasty, filthy, ruthless, knife fighter. He’s the guy that nobody in the local bar can stand because of his mouth, his annoying boastful bragging, in your face, short tempered SOB………. however…..when some mean, sociopath, ex-convict, comes in and starts knocking you and your friends around, this nasty, filthy, ruthless, knife fighter, without being asked, gets up off his bar stool, and takes care of the sociopath, and it isn’t pretty, to say the least. In spite of the fact that he prevented you from getting torn up by the sociopath, you still can’t stand him and want him gone from your bar.

I’m my case, I still don’t like him but I’m damn glad he’s there for me and I’ll support him all day, every day, because there are times when we damn sure need people like that in our corner and I’m damn glad we do.

Trump stayed out of politics his whole life. In years past people asked him to get involved, he didn’t and said he would not unless it became necessary. It finally got so bad, he had to come down off his ivory tower bar stool and clean out the swamp. Not a hell of a lot different than Grant did to the South, like Patten did to the German, like Crockett did to Santa Anna,

So ya, he’s a nasty knife fighter, but we sure as hell need one at the moment, that’s my view of the world and if you are have trouble believing that, give Volodymyr Zelenskyy or the Presidents of Sweden, Finland or any NATO country but Turkey a call and see if they need some nasty filfty knife fighters right know.

Wake up, people……. It’s time to get real again.
 
You thought nobody was going to rub your nose in your mess ?

Humiliation is all most of you are eligible for , but you deserve worse. Americans fought and died to protect what you supported stealing.
 
2lumpy said:
I am all in with and for Donald Trump. Do I like his style, I do not. Did I like Pres. Grant’s style? I did not. Did I like George Patten’s style? I did not. Did I like Davy Crockett’s style, I did not. BUT, where would we be with out them?

I have good friends, that hate Trump, they are as conservative as any conservative I’ve ever met. They are up my backside, everyday, because I’m all in for Trump. They can’t understand how I could possibly support the guy. They don’t see the world through my eyes and they never will.

There are times and places when the situation calls for a nasty, filthy, ruthless, knife fighter. He’s the guy that nobody in the local bar can stand because of his mouth, his annoying boastful bragging, in your face, short tempered SOB………. however…..when some mean, sociopath, ex-convict, comes in and starts knocking you and your friends around, this nasty, filthy, ruthless, knife fighter, without being asked, gets up off his bar stool, and takes care of the sociopath, and it isn’t pretty, to say the least. In spite of the fact that he prevented you from getting torn up by the sociopath, you still can’t stand him and want him gone from your bar.

I’m my case, I still don’t like him but I’m damn glad he’s there for me and I’ll support him all day, every day, because there are times when we damn sure need people like that in our corner and I’m damn glad we do.

Trump stayed out of politics his whole life. In years past people asked him to get involved, he didn’t and said he would not unless it became necessary. It finally got so bad, he had to come down off his ivory tower bar stool and clean out the swamp. Not a hell of a lot different than Grant did to the South, like Patten did to the German, like Crockett did to Santa Anna,

So ya, he’s a nasty knife fighter, but we sure as hell need one at the moment, that’s my view of the world and if you are have trouble believing that, give Volodymyr Zelenskyy or the Presidents of Sweden, Finland or any NATO country but Turkey a call and see if they need some nasty filfty knife fighters right know.

Wake up, people……. It’s time to get real again.
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I've never heard a knife fighter spend so much time whining about not being treated "fair"
 
grizzly said:
Yes, you continue to be fast and loose with language and are misinterpreting my posts, psychologists call it "motivated reasoning." I, however, am not worked up at all. That's why I just ignore your misinterpretions and attempts at spin and move on. It's not important enough to me to try and refute your points line-by-line. You're making jumps that just aren't there.
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Roe was overturned.

It will be great to see the Dems who are now out spinning up their people.

Under the new rules, everyone of them will be responsible for every but of violence that we all know is going to happen today.

And I'm sure, you will lead the charge?
 
Togwotee said:
You thought nobody was going to rub your nose in your mess ?

Humiliation is all most of you are eligible for , but you deserve worse. Americans fought and died to protect what you supported stealing.
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Any what is it that is “worse” that we deserve?

And what was it that was stolen?

Share your imagination with us
 
2lumpy said:
Any what is it that is “worse” that we deserve?

And what was it that was stolen?

Share your imagination with us
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he's stated on here before that everyone on January 6th in the capitol should have been shot. think you probably know the answer from this non nazi...
 
JPickett said:
he's stated on here before that everyone on January 6th in the capitol should have been shot. think you probably know the answer from this non nazi...
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I doubt that, that is what he means, that’s why I asked.
 
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diaper joe is already calling on congress to over turn the court. who's attacking our democracy now? wonder if there will be hearings...
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Let them have their right to disagree JP, just demand they keep it between the lines and settle it the way it was designed to be handed. I expect the same thing from our guys as I expect from their guys…….. no chest thumping here.
 
For all the criticism of government bureaucracy, I have been impressed by the testimony of the professionals who stood against the Big Lie, demanding evidence before caving to pressure by the Trump campaign to cast doubt upon the 2020 election. In observing the erratic behavior of elected representatives on both sides of the aisle (Big Lie, BLM, etc), I have come to understand that the real "swamp" is the masses at either extreme that put these people in office rather than the system itself. Most of America, both blue and red, does have its act together.
 
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would you vote for a democrat that publicly stated Trump did not commit "insurrection"?
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I cannot see myself voting for any Democrat, however I'm not concerned about the semantics of the word "insurrection."

But to get to your larger question, I will not vote for anybody, regardless of party, that thinks Trump's attempts to overturn a free and fair election and remain in power (his stated purpose on January 6th) are not disqualifying.

I will not ever support somebody that will trade our democracy for political expediency.

I'll likely write-in a candidate as I've done the last several elections. There's no rule that says we're stuck voting for the "lesser of two evils" that we keep being given.
 
bullskin said:
For all the criticism of government bureaucracy, I have been impressed by the testimony of the professionals who stood against the Big Lie, demanding evidence before caving to pressure by the Trump campaign to cast doubt upon the 2020 election. In observing the erratic behavior of elected representatives on both sides of the aisle (Big Lie, BLM, etc), I have come to understand that the real "swamp" is the masses at either extreme that put these people in office rather than the system itself. Most of America does have its act together.
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I, too, have gained a lot of respect for many of the higher-ups on that day.

People from Barr to Rosen, Donoghue, and Bowers have looked extremely capable and respectable.
 
bullskin said:
For all the criticism of government bureaucracy, I have been impressed by the testimony of the professionals who stood against the Big Lie, demanding evidence before caving to pressure by the Trump campaign to cast doubt upon the 2020 election. In observing the erratic behavior of elected representatives on both sides of the aisle (Big Lie, BLM, etc), I have come to understand that the real "swamp" is the masses at either extreme rather than the system itself. Most of America does have its act together.
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Yes, some of them have been professionals. I have many friends who are bureaucratic professional but they are as bias as I am when it comes to their opinions and how they frame what they to the “truth”, the problem is I don’t see and interpret the same “truth” the same way.

Most good people can not accept their own bias as being incorrect. And yes, I know full well I’m influence by my bias.
 

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