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BuzzH said:
And none of that has anything to do with crp...

Not many alfalfa fields are being put into crp in my experience.

Milk should be $4 a gallon...oh yeah, but that's subsidized too.
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Biggest subsidy in agriculture is Food Stamps
 
BuzzH said:
Which businesses that don't pay a living wage are the beneficiaries of.
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Since you don't have kids, I'm sure you don't feed them school lunch.

Another of the many things you have no practical knowledge of, yet consider yourself and you expert on.

Yes, food stamp and school lunch come via that evil subsidy .

And no, there's no income requirements on school lunch, "living wage or not"

In fact Utah used Covid money to do free school lunch statewide last year.

Ya. Those little bastards should fork over $10 day. We know.


What was your clothing subsidy this year? Boots?
 
Bluehair said:
This is like selecting jurors - process of elimination. ;)

What America needs now is Ross Perot and his flip charts.

But instead we’ll get a gift card to fight gas inflation.

And at the end of the day I’ll vote my self interest like everyone else does. But only once because that what Republicans do.
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No.

Vinyl is in short supply. Cards are backordered.

You'll get a gas post card
 
hossblur said:
Since you don't have kids, I'm sure you don't feed them school lunch.

Another of the many things you have no practical knowledge of, yet consider yourself and you expert on.

Yes, food stamp and school lunch come via that evil subsidy .

And no, there's no income requirements on school lunch, "living wage or not"

In fact Utah used Covid money to do free school lunch statewide last year.

Ya. Those little bastards should fork over $10 day. We know.


What was your clothing subsidy this year? Boots?
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You're the one bi tching about subsidies, I'm fine with them. Including feeding school kids. Including crp, and even subsidized grazing if it's done right.

Just don't be a hypocrite when you take advantage of the very things you complain about.

I wouldn't be shocked to learn you bleed the beast via food stamps...and free school lunch sounds like a given.

I have no clothing allowance, never have.

I did negotiate a boot policy that has saved the taxpayers hundreds of thousands in lost time injuries for FS employees. So successful and such a financial benefit, the policy was renewed and increased by FS management.

The numbers and savings made it an easy decision.
 
BuzzH said:
You're the one bi tching about subsidies, I'm fine with them. Including feeding school kids. Including crp, and even subsidized grazing if it's done right.

Just don't be a hypocrite when you take advantage of the very things you complain about.

I wouldn't be shocked to learn you bleed the beast via food stamps...and free school lunch sounds like a given.

I have no clothing allowance, never have.

I did negotiate a boot policy that has saved the taxpayers hundreds of thousands in lost time injuries for FS employees. So successful and such a financial benefit, the policy was renewed and increased by FS management.


"Milk should be $4 a gallon...oh yeah, but that's subsidized too."


Well, as long as your not bitching?

But I agree. Unlike you, I don't have a second house nor take advantage of the tax advantages for it, then ***** about greedy investors.

Nor do I ***** about "living wages", while supporting a candidate that doesn't pay them.

Not am I a union rep, and pro union while supporting that same candidate that didn't support the largest employer getting unionized by an upstart because they didn't sign on with Bernie's campaign donating union buddies. After years of speeches, he was MIA.

But, then I don't profess all that progressive, pro union bs, then reside in one of the most conservative states in the country, that is a right to work state where my beliefs never affect me.

Yes, I know, Wyoming has good hunting. Yada yada yada.

So did Colorado, until the progressives took over
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Still like Bernie and the only reason I live in Wyoming is for the hunting and fishing. Sure isn't for the awesome weather, diversity, or to make money.

You aren't changing my mind, sorry hossblur.
 
Bernie Huh?

That The Best You Can Dream Up?

The Guy Can't Even Make A Speach Without Reading if off a Pre-Written Paragraph More Than Likely Written by Somebody-else!

And Never looks Anybody in the eye!

GEEZUS!






BuzzH said:
Still like Bernie and the only reason I live in Wyoming is for the hunting and fishing. Sure isn't for the awesome weather, diversity, or to make money.

You aren't changing my mind, sorry hossblur.
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This Brandon JOKER Doubles Fuel Prices & Now Spouts Off about a MAYBE Tax Change that'll Save Americans 18.4 Cents Per Gallon!

Hey dude & BuzzH?

How's This JOKER That You Both Voted For Working Out For You?

www.ksl.com

Biden says he's considering a gasoline tax holiday

President Joe Biden says he's considering a federal holiday on the gasoline tax. That could possibly save Americans as much as 18.4 cents a gallon.
www.ksl.com www.ksl.com
 
Not even worth asking EA and they will justify it. And that 18.4 will wind up costing us 28.4 in the long run. What's worse-there are people that actually believe it's a good move.
 
elkassassin said:
Bernie Huh?

That The Best You Can Dream Up?

The Guy Can't Even Make A Speach Without Reading if off a Pre-Written Paragraph More Than Likely Written by Somebody-else!

And Never looks Anybody in the eye!

GEEZUS!
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He's too old, I already said that. Want me to repost it?

We need a young version of Bernie.
 
And I Quote Brandon:

"I want an explanation for why they aren't refining more oil," Biden said.

Like He Could Comprehend any kind of an Answer!

GEEZUS!
 
BuzzH said:
Yep, and you live it everyday...embrace it.
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Never!! I started out at $3.35 a hour just like Hossblur mentioned. I got tired of it and worked longer, harder, faster and smarter. Nobody gave me free shyt and I never asked for it while sitting around doing nothing. I made my own way and if your a true Dem-your own Pres stated-Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what can you do for your country. That must be a thing of the past! And by the way-Juneteenth-is happening because of a Republican president.
 
All the old coots on SS and Medicare kabitch'in about government programs. priceless.

The farm programs are the best investment you've ever made. it ensures a cheap stabile supply of food that could never occur in the boom or bust ag world.

As an example, my dad and then myself grew peppermint oil for many years and the market had it's highs and lows but if you had the ability to ride out the bad years it was quite profitable. we had some spearmint as well but it's a much smaller market. some years you couldn't give spear away and others it was gold. but overall it was risky and the banks refused to finance it so a few years spearmint was unobtainium and low quality crap was imported and artificial flavoring was used but not well recieved. so the government stepped in and developed a marketing quota based on existing grower bases and estimated needs. ever since then you can't grow spear west of the Mississippi without a quota. there's not a lot of money in it but there's an affordable stabile supply.

this same idea is applied to all farm programs. let the producer make just enough money to stay in business but not enough to get independent. hay has no government program it's true free market , and I'm going to make bank on it this year like never before. and if this lasts very long you can bet your azz the feds will create some type of program to incentivize forage production. and whatever it costs it will save you a lot of money.
 
hossblur said:
Anti?

Anti Trump the man, sure

Anti Trump policies, a little harder.

Especially with the "mainstream" republicans being pro big spending, pro open border, and pro War in Europe.

Like it or not, but if Roe is overturned, it will be because Trumps judges, not Bush. So in that case who did more for the conservative cause?

What I think he did do, was show a guy like DeSantis how to hit back, and ignore the media.


But I'm anti anyone over retirement age being eligible to run for President.
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I've asked twice but can't get an answer. I'm trying to figure out if @2lumpy would support somebody that voted with Trump 93% of the time, had an A rating from the NRA, and called for the defunding of Planned Parenthood over abortion access. That person seems like a very reliable conservative, by all accounts.

However, that person thinks Trump's actions after the election disqualify him from holding future office and is willing to say publicly that Trump lost fair and square.

If @2lumpy wouldn't support that person then he's not looking for a conservative, he's merely looking for a Trump supporter.

There's a difference.
 
grizzly said:
I've asked twice but can't get an answer. I'm trying to figure out if @2lumpy would support somebody that voted with Trump 93% of the time, had an A rating from the NRA, and called for the defunding of Planned Parenthood over abortion access. That person seems like a very reliable conservative, by all accounts.

However, that person thinks Trump's actions after the election disqualify him from holding future office and is willing to say publicly that Trump lost fair and square.

If @2lumpy wouldn't support that person then he's not looking for a conservative, he's merely looking for a Trump supporter.

There's a difference.
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Until someone charges Trump with something other than being an a-hole, why should he be disqualified?

At some point you chit or get off the pot.

Further, the chairman of the 6th committee challenged Trump's victory in 16, as did pretty much every dem.

So are they all now disqualified from office? Did a single one issue a correction after 3 years and a special prosecutor? Including the sitting President?

Has Adam Schiff been tossed from office?


This is where that loyalty comes from. 3 years of Russian Collusion LIES. A Special Prosecutor. And not a single Dem apologized, or even acknowledged they were incorrect.

Yet, somehow, if you can't say Biden won fair and square, youre a threat to "our democracy"?

That one sided litmus test is bull.
 
hossblur said:
Until someone charges Trump with something other than being an a-hole, why should he be disqualified?

At some point you chit or get off the pot.

Further, the chairman of the 6th committee challenged Trump's victory in 16, as did pretty much every dem.

So are they all now disqualified from office? Did a single one issue a correction after 3 years and a special prosecutor? Including the sitting President?

Has Adam Schiff been tossed from office?


This is where that loyalty comes from. 3 years of Russian Collusion LIES. A Special Prosecutor. And not a single Dem apologized, or even acknowledged they were incorrect.

Yet, somehow, if you can't say Biden won fair and square, youre a threat to "our democracy"?

That one sided litmus test is bull.
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There you go again with the false equivalency. This has nothing to do with any Democrat, prior investigation, Russia, or anything else you can try and point fingers at.

This only has to do with the fact that Trump knew he lost, everybody in any position of power in Trump's stratosphere knew he lost, and he's either too corrupt or mentally ill to admit it.

It has to be one of those, there's no other alternative. He either knows it and is lying for ego and money ($250 Million from his donors, so far) or he doesn't know it because his illness and narcissism won't allow it. His own AG said if Trump believes his election lies he's "detached from reality." His own daughter said she believes Barr and the evidence over her own father. Sidney Powell said in a court filing, 'no reasonable person' thought her election fraud claims were fact.

To criminal charges, Bill Barr said he wouldn't criminally charge a President with a crime while in office because it was a matter the Constitution left to the Senate. McConnell said at his impeachment conviction hearing said, "There's no question" that Trump "is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." He, however, voted to acquit because he said Trump was already out of office and therefore couldn't be convicted in the Senate.

The two of them created a false dichotomy to each avoid being the person to hold Trump accountable, though they both said what he did was wrong, therefore nobody held him accountable.

Now it's up to AG Garland to decide if he wants to light the tinderbox that would be engulfed if he charged Trump. There's precedent with Ford pardoning Nixon to overlook it and move on. However, Nixon had the respect for the country to disappear, Trump does not.

I don't know the right answer, but I do know that relying on criminal charges isn't a reasonable litmus test (see: Nixon) as to whether Trump should be disqualified from holding office, whether officially or effectively. Plus, we all know that if he IS charged, that people, likely yourself included, will continue saying it's a "political witch hunt" and only threaten to reciprocate. No Trump supporter is going to suddenly acknowledge he's responsible simply because he's charged. Trump himself long ago predicted that.

The bottom line is Trump's actions following the election, including his actions on January 6th, and those of the insurrectionists, was to illegally keep Trump in office. Trump intended to stay in office, that's not up for dispute, and he put in a chain of events with the stated outcome of effectuating that.

I have no interest in wasting my time trying to change somebody's mind on election fraud. There are still people that think the world is flat, there are still people that think the world is 6,000 years old, and there are still people that think the election was rigged. They're all ridiculously indefensible claims that aren't worth arguing against. I might as well try and explain to Tri why poaching is bad, it would be useless and is, frankly, uninteresting to me.

If you think it's okay for a Secretary of State that you've never heard of to singlehandedly submit false electors, and a VP to singlehandedly choose to honor them rather than those chosen by the voters, then you should thank God that the Democrats have more respect for our country than Trump because at some point you'd surely not like the consequences of losing our democracy.
 
IMO the bigger question should be this one: Do we really want another almost 80 year old man running the country? Say Trump is elected, in 2024 he will turn 78 years old and would be 80 in the 2nd year of a 2nd term. My mom is about the same age and there is no way she could or should be in charge of this country. Neither should Biden at that age, neither should Trump, nor Pelosi or any other 80 year old. I don't care which party, I don't care how active and spry they are, they are 80 and they should be out of office playing pickle ball not holding the nuclear football.

Nemont
 
grizzly said:
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There you go again with the false equivalency. This has nothing to do with any Democrat, prior investigation, Russia, or anything else you can try and point fingers at.

This only has to do with the fact that Trump knew he lost, everybody in any position of power in Trump's stratosphere knew he lost, and he's either too corrupt or mentally ill to admit it.

It has to be one of those, there's no other alternative. He either knows it and is lying for ego and money ($250 Million from his donors, so far) or he doesn't know it because his illness and narcissism won't allow it. His own AG said if Trump believes his election lies he's "detached from reality." His own daughter said she believes Barr and the evidence over her own father. Sidney Powell said in a court filing, 'no reasonable person' thought her election fraud claims were fact.

To criminal charges, Bill Barr said he wouldn't criminally charge a President with a crime while in office because it was a matter the Constitution left to the Senate. McConnell said at his impeachment conviction hearing said, "There's no question" that Trump "is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." He, however, voted to acquit because he said Trump was already out of office and therefore couldn't be convicted in the Senate.

The two of them created a false dichotomy to each avoid being the person to hold Trump accountable, though they both said what he did was wrong, therefore nobody held him accountable.

Now it's up to AG Garland to decide if he wants to light the tinderbox that would be engulfed if he charged Trump. There's precedent with Ford pardoning Nixon to overlook it and move on. However, Nixon had the respect for the country to disappear, Trump does not.

I don't know the right answer, but I do know that relying on criminal charges isn't a reasonable litmus test (see: Nixon) as to whether Trump should be disqualified from holding office, whether officially or effectively. Plus, we all know that if he IS charged, that people, likely yourself included, will continue saying it's a "political witch hunt" and only threaten to reciprocate. No Trump supporter is going to suddenly acknowledge he's responsible simply because he's charged. Trump himself long ago predicted that.

The bottom line is Trump's actions following the election, including his actions on January 6th, and those of the insurrectionists, was to illegally keep Trump in office. Trump intended to stay in office, that's not up for dispute, and he put in a chain of events with the stated outcome of effectuating that.

I have no interest in wasting my time trying to change somebody's mind on election fraud. There are still people that think the world is flat, there are still people that think the world is 6,000 years old, and there are still people that think the election was rigged. They're all ridiculously indefensible claims that aren't worth arguing against. I might as well try and explain to Tri why poaching is bad, it would be useless and is, frankly, uninteresting to me.

If you think it's okay for a Secretary of State that you've never heard of to singlehandedly submit false electors, and a VP to singlehandedly choose to honor them rather than those chosen by the voters, then you should thank God that the Democrats have more respect for our country than Trump because at some point you'd surely not like the consequences of losing our democracy.
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I didn’t read any thing you typed there. But, damn! You got some time on your hands.
 
NeMont said:
IMO the bigger question should be this one: Do we really want another almost 80 year old man running the country? Say Trump is elected, in 2024 he will turn 78 years old and would be 80 in the 2nd year of a 2nd term. My mom is about the same age and there is no way she could or should be in charge of this country. Neither should Biden at that age, neither should Trump, nor Pelosi or any other 80 year old. I don't care which party, I don't care how active and spry they are, they are 80 and they should be out of office playing pickle ball not holding the nuclear football.

Nemont
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It should be like pilots, 65 and you’re out. Forced term limit ?.
 
grizzly said:
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There you go again with the false equivalency. This has nothing to do with any Democrat, prior investigation, Russia, or anything else you can try and point fingers at.

This only has to do with the fact that Trump knew he lost, everybody in any position of power in Trump's stratosphere knew he lost, and he's either too corrupt or mentally ill to admit it.

It has to be one of those, there's no other alternative. He either knows it and is lying for ego and money ($250 Million from his donors, so far) or he doesn't know it because his illness and narcissism won't allow it. His own AG said if Trump believes his election lies he's "detached from reality." His own daughter said she believes Barr and the evidence over her own father. Sidney Powell said in a court filing, 'no reasonable person' thought her election fraud claims were fact.

To criminal charges, Bill Barr said he wouldn't criminally charge a President with a crime while in office because it was a matter the Constitution left to the Senate. McConnell said at his impeachment conviction hearing said, "There's no question" that Trump "is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." He, however, voted to acquit because he said Trump was already out of office and therefore couldn't be convicted in the Senate.

The two of them created a false dichotomy to each avoid being the person to hold Trump accountable, though they both said what he did was wrong, therefore nobody held him accountable.

Now it's up to AG Garland to decide if he wants to light the tinderbox that would be engulfed if he charged Trump. There's precedent with Ford pardoning Nixon to overlook it and move on. However, Nixon had the respect for the country to disappear, Trump does not.

I don't know the right answer, but I do know that relying on criminal charges isn't a reasonable litmus test (see: Nixon) as to whether Trump should be disqualified from holding office, whether officially or effectively. Plus, we all know that if he IS charged, that people, likely yourself included, will continue saying it's a "political witch hunt" and only threaten to reciprocate. No Trump supporter is going to suddenly acknowledge he's responsible simply because he's charged. Trump himself long ago predicted that.

The bottom line is Trump's actions following the election, including his actions on January 6th, and those of the insurrectionists, was to illegally keep Trump in office. Trump intended to stay in office, that's not up for dispute, and he put in a chain of events with the stated outcome of effectuating that.

I have no interest in wasting my time trying to change somebody's mind on election fraud. There are still people that think the world is flat, there are still people that think the world is 6,000 years old, and there are still people that think the election was rigged. They're all ridiculously indefensible claims that aren't worth arguing against. I might as well try and explain to Tri why poaching is bad, it would be useless and is, frankly, uninteresting to me.

If you think it's okay for a Secretary of State that you've never heard of to singlehandedly submit false electors, and a VP to singlehandedly choose to honor them rather than those chosen by the voters, then you should thank God that the Democrats have more respect for our country than Trump because at some point you'd surely not like the consequences of losing our democracy.
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YET AGAIN.



Bennie Thompson who is the chair, as well as Jamie Tasking, BOTH objected to certifying the 2016 election.

Now, they are "prosecuting" Trump for demanding the same thing? Not a false equivalence. If challenging election certification bars someone from seeking office, then the chair of this panel, should be barred from holding office. As should Tasking, who, with Thompson also challenged 2004 election.

Second. I posted Bill Barr interview with Lester Holt. HE SPECIFICALLY SAID he's seen no evidence brought for to charge Trump. PERIOD. No qualifier about a sitting President.

Third. What difference does it make what Ivanka Trump thinks? Is her, or her father's OPINION ILLEGAL?

FORTH.

You should go re visit WHY Nixon left office. He was DIRECTLY involved with the planed coverup of Watergate, including finding a slush fund to keep the those jailed quiet.

Again, as of today, they is ZERO direct communication between DONALD J TRUMP and anyone who threatened overthrow.

Which at this time, is 2 proud boys charged with sedition. 2.

Next.

As of 2 weeks ago, Hillary Clinton is still PUBLICALLY claiming the Russians stole 2016.

Is she now barred from seeking the Presidency? Is she to be arrested for what is an obvious lie?

And to make it clear.

The United States Government has charged TWO PEOPLE with insurrection.

You are generally very specific in your language, tossing around "insurrectionists" is both factually incorrect, and slander.

We have laws(supposedly) in this country.

You don't get barred from seeking office for rhetoric, regardless of what that rhetoric is.

Trump has not been the sitting President for a year and a half. If there were charges to bring, they'd be brought by a VERY partisan AG.


One needs to be REAL careful about political rhetoric becoming illegal.

I won't even touch you detached from reality line, Joe Biden is President, that's low hanging fruit
 
Biden was inaugurated on Jan. 20th, 2020. CONGRATULATIONS!!! I can't find one person out of the 81 million votes he got who admits voting for him, but now they own it. Interesting times ahead. I wouldn't worry about who's next. It's more about survival for a lot of people now.
 
Grizzly said:
thank God that the Democrats have more respect for our country than Trump because at some point you'd surely not like the consequences of losing our democracy.

If you believe that the Democrats, the likes of Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Harris, have respect for our democracy, then you are a lost cause and blind and deaf to what is going on around you.

RELH
 
RELH said:
Grizzly said:
thank God that the Democrats have more respect for our country than Trump because at some point you'd surely not like the consequences of losing our democracy.

If you believe that the Democrats, the likes of Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Harris, have respect for our democracy, then you are a lost cause and blind and deaf to what is going on around you.

RELH
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We are seeing and experiencing the ideologies of the folks you listed RELH, along with a few of their predecessors. Their influence on the educational institutions, their influence on the free enterprise community, their influence on the financial institutions, their influence on international affairs, and every other aspect of societal behavior, as they attempted to establish a single worldwide government, in an attempt to control human behavior. A lofty but misguided ideology that can only end with world wide anarchy. Empire builders have tried this a myriad of times, since recorded history and probably before, with the same ultimate out come.

Humans are just too narcissistic, condescending, and arrogant to believe they are not more intelligent and better than previous civilizations and cultures so we just cycle through, humility, growth, prosperity, condescension, failure, poverty, starvation, violence and back to humility and restart the cycle again. Same game, different century. Ever seeking, never learning.
 
BuzzH said:
This last proves one thing, Q is having an impact with their propaganda machine...

Good grief.
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Or, facts are stubborn things. No matter how much you may wish, hope, dream.

Which at s exactly why you trotted out some Q post.

I guess your googler must be broken

From a guy that routinely quotes bylines, paragraphs, and has legal writing, you using Q, shows, you couldn't show proof that what I wrote was not true.

Next, you should do a meme.
 
2lumpy said:
We are seeing and experiencing the ideologies of the folks you listed RELH, along with a few of their predecessors. Their influence on the educational institutions, their influence on the free enterprise community, their influence on the financial institutions, their influence on international affairs, and every other aspect of societal behavior, as they attempted to establish a single worldwide government, in an attempt to control human behavior. A lofty but misguided ideology that can only end with world wide anarchy. Empire builders have tried this a myriad of times, since recorded history and probably before, with the same ultimate out come.

Humans are just too narcissistic, condescending, and arrogant to believe they are not more intelligent and better than previous civilizations and cultures so we just cycle through, humility, growth, prosperity, condescension, failure, poverty, starvation, violence and back to humility and restart the cycle again. Same game, different century. Ever seeking, never learning.
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Hey Hoss...Q must be working over-time.
 
grizzly said:
No you didn't. And if you watched the hearing today you wouldn't be repeating it.
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I'm actually surprised your watching that infomercial.

But, since you are.

Did they produce the smoking gun yet??

The phone call where Orange man coordinated everything?

The text between him and the proud boys about weapons stashes?

Has anyone attempted to answer how the most powerful man in the world, who had his finger on the nuke codes and legions of heavily armed militias and white supremacists relied on the buffalo Shaman to over throw an election and destroy "our democracy".?


Has anyone answered as to why the capital police(whom Pelosi is in charge of) wasn't beefed up seeing as how all the FBI informants we're telling the FBI the Oath Keepers and Proud boys had plans?


Did any of these folks touch on their actual, sworn, constitutional responsibilities: to make laws, to serve as a representative assembly, and to oversee the administration of public policy?

I'm curious, because as I stop for $5 gas, hit 3 stores for tampons for my girls, while I'm looking in each for formula for my wife's friends granddaughter, wanting a cold IPA that can't be produced because there isn't glass, with fingers full of metal slivers because adhesives aren't available so we are forced to screw everything off my natural thoughts are, "gee, how many hundreds of millions of dollars, and wasted years do we need to burn through to be told the left doesn't like Trump?"

Now, keep in mind, we've YET to have had a congressional investigation into a pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. But we do know Trump's an A hole. , 4 years and continuous accusations told us so.

Sorry Grizz, I haven't watched this crap, mainly because I can read, but also because I'm STILL waiting for Adam Schiff's smoking gun on Russian Collusion.He spent three years telling us about all the devistating proof he had. But alas, I guess he's now to busy with this sideshow to deliver on his proclamations?

Yup. Trumps an a-hole. He says stupid chit.

MEH
 
Merrick Garland WILL charge Trump with something......and we will see him marched off in shackles.....

...again....Thank You Mitch McConnel...
 
grizzly said:
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There you go again with the false equivalency. This has nothing to do with any Democrat, prior investigation, Russia, or anything else you can try and point fingers at.

This only has to do with the fact that Trump knew he lost, everybody in any position of power in Trump's stratosphere knew he lost, and he's either too corrupt or mentally ill to admit it.

It has to be one of those, there's no other alternative. He either knows it and is lying for ego and money ($250 Million from his donors, so far) or he doesn't know it because his illness and narcissism won't allow it. His own AG said if Trump believes his election lies he's "detached from reality." His own daughter said she believes Barr and the evidence over her own father. Sidney Powell said in a court filing, 'no reasonable person' thought her election fraud claims were fact.

To criminal charges, Bill Barr said he wouldn't criminally charge a President with a crime while in office because it was a matter the Constitution left to the Senate. McConnell said at his impeachment conviction hearing said, "There's no question" that Trump "is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." He, however, voted to acquit because he said Trump was already out of office and therefore couldn't be convicted in the Senate.

The two of them created a false dichotomy to each avoid being the person to hold Trump accountable, though they both said what he did was wrong, therefore nobody held him accountable.

Now it's up to AG Garland to decide if he wants to light the tinderbox that would be engulfed if he charged Trump. There's precedent with Ford pardoning Nixon to overlook it and move on. However, Nixon had the respect for the country to disappear, Trump does not.

I don't know the right answer, but I do know that relying on criminal charges isn't a reasonable litmus test (see: Nixon) as to whether Trump should be disqualified from holding office, whether officially or effectively. Plus, we all know that if he IS charged, that people, likely yourself included, will continue saying it's a "political witch hunt" and only threaten to reciprocate. No Trump supporter is going to suddenly acknowledge he's responsible simply because he's charged. Trump himself long ago predicted that.

The bottom line is Trump's actions following the election, including his actions on January 6th, and those of the insurrectionists, was to illegally keep Trump in office. Trump intended to stay in office, that's not up for dispute, and he put in a chain of events with the stated outcome of effectuating that.

I have no interest in wasting my time trying to change somebody's mind on election fraud. There are still people that think the world is flat, there are still people that think the world is 6,000 years old, and there are still people that think the election was rigged. They're all ridiculously indefensible claims that aren't worth arguing against. I might as well try and explain to Tri why poaching is bad, it would be useless and is, frankly, uninteresting to me.

If you think it's okay for a Secretary of State that you've never heard of to singlehandedly submit false electors, and a VP to singlehandedly choose to honor them rather than those chosen by the voters, then you should thank God that the Democrats have more respect for our country than Trump because at some point you'd surely not like the consequences of losing our democracy.
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Very well written Grizzly. Too bad many on here won’t take the time to read and digest the facts you put forth. Like you said there is NO way to change the minds of many here that hold onto the Lie that the 2020 election was rigged.

Also, we must give credit where credit is due…. Trump is the Very Best at what he does and has proven so…. In fact, we don’t have to look any further than this specific forum. Trump is the Best I have seen since Jim Jones - quite impressive really when you think about it.
 
Yep……Schiff spewed lots of FACTS during the Russia collusion hoax too….he had the proof….he’s very very good, about like Jim Jones…
 
Even if Trump goes to jail for spitting on the ground it still doesn't change the fact that our country is so messed up right now.

Again, I feel sorry for the single moms/dads out there. Oh and fixed income retired folks. It's crazy expensive to do anything right now.

Just hope the next president can fix all this mess. It could be too late and if Joe gets in for another 4 then there's no turning back. This is what we should all be afraid of right now.
 
If Trump was impeached for asking for an investigation into the crooked dealings of Biden in Ukraine, over a job for his son in the gas and oil business which Biden despises by the way, it stands to reason that Trump would be arrested for asking for an honest and fair election.
 
The democrats were pretty quiet regarding the attempted assassination of a sitting Supreme Court Justice...not sure why he took Shumer's words literally.

Also, wasn't it a Bernie supporter (maybe a volunteer) that tried to assassinate Republicans during a baseball game.

I think Trump crossed a line but not with J6, him putting pressure on the Georgia AG was wrong. However, I also believe that Pennsylvania was stolen since the change to voting laws in PA didn't follow the PA constitution. And instead of having Powell and Gullani putting on their clown show, should have focused on actual laws. I will also say the data analysis leads to quite a few statistical anomalies that seem to only happen in swing states. But there is no actual proof, time to move on.

Joe Biden is president, no need to debate that. Now let's make a list of his accomplishments...
 
Well he has been about as effective as expected, he has managed to screw up everything including the response to Russia's invasion, canceled the KXL pipeline, increase the price of energy, ignite massive inflation and double down on bad decisions. Went begging for oil from dictators instead of allowing oil to flow from a stable democracy to our north.

Only thing Trump and Biden really have in common is that they both love to borrow/print and spend massive amounts of money without a care about who ends up paying.

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Cali4x4 said:
I have a day job. Did you see the insurrection of the Wisconsin State Capitol today? No you didn't. Because the MSM media calls it a "pink out"
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They make a cool thing now called DVR. I could post the link here if you'd like as well.

An insurrection must be violent by definition. I haven't seen the violent parts in Wisconsin but I'm not afraid to watch something out of fear that I'll see something I disagree with.

Feel free to post the vids of violence in Wisconsin and I'll watch them.
 
grizzly said:
They make a cool thing now called DVR. I could post the link here if you'd like as well.

An insurrection must be violent by definition. I haven't seen the violent parts in Wisconsin but I'm not afraid to watch something out of fear that I'll see something I disagree with.

Feel free to post the vids of violence in Wisconsin and I'll watch them.
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Ashley Babbitt was the only victim of a violent death that day. Let's go Brandon.
 
grizzly said:
I'm not afraid to watch something out of fear that I'll see something I disagree with.
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You can’t see past your own nose. If you could you would have seen a sitting Vice President calling for the blm riots to continue then personally advocating for any one arrested to be bailed out by supporting funds to do so. Insurrection much? Don’t care about that though do you? You’re a hack
 
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The hack doesn't mention the threats currently on the SC Justices either.....Maybe Ruth sent him or even Jane's Revenge.
 
Homer said:
The hack doesn't mention the threats currently on the SC Justices either.....Maybe Ruth sent him or even Jane's Revenge.
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Yup. Current insurrection taking place by our congress encouraging there followers to over throw the judicial branch of government with violence and intimidation all the while holding “hearings” on insurrection.

I just still can’t figure why the American public isn’t head over heels in love with these people?
 
Cali4x4 said:
Ashley Babbitt was the only victim of a violent death that day. Let's go Brandon.
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You very clearly said there was an insurrection today in Wisconsin. Anybody with Google or a dictionary knows that an insurrection includes violence. Please post the videos of violence today. I'll watch them. If there wasn't violence and you misspoke, you can just say it was only a protest in Wisconsin and not an insurrection like at the Capitol.

If you're up for watching something that might make you uncomfortable, go watch the hearings and you'll see hours of video and testimony by Trump's staff of the actual VIOLENT INSURRECTION at the Capitol. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of people that committed violent acts against law enforcement and the video is plain as day. They were there with the stated purpose of overthrowing a Presidential Election.

The only way to deny the insurrection is to bury ones head in the sand and refuse to watch it so you can pretend it's not there. That's very prevalent on this site.

However, I have no interest in getting into a debate about the shape of our planet with somebody who thinks the earth is flat and refuses to watch the videos from space or the interviews with pilots, physicists, and astronauts that prove it's spherical.

The evidence is available. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.


 
JPickett said:
Yup. Current insurrection taking place by our congress encouraging there followers to over throw the judicial branch of government with violence and intimidation all the while holding “hearings” on insurrection.

I just still can’t figure why the American public isn’t head over heels in love with these people?
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??? You start into the false equivalency crap again. You've got nothing! ???

Plus, if you watched yesterday's hearings you would've seen all the election workers that still have threats of violence today because of Trump's lie. One lady, Ruby Freeman, was identified by name 18 times by Trump himself. There's absolutely zero evidence she ever did anything wrong.

I bet there are guys here who still believe Ruby Freeman cheated. She didn't. Those guys don't know why they think it, they just believe it because Trump told them so. It's totally Jim Jones and hundreds of his followers are convicted criminals today because of him.

Keep reading your Q blogs, it's serving you well.
 
Grouse Legs said:
Can you post a link to the Q blogs? I’ve never seen one. Thanks.
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Buckle up. They're hilarious. And the best part is these people actually believe it. They get sucked in and lose all touch with reality and credibility but they feed each other and it grows and grows. ?

I don't want to break MM rules by posting a link to another forum but if you listen to this podcast you can find what you're looking for.

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"However, I have no interest in getting into a debate about the shape of our planet with somebody who thinks the earth is flat and refuses to watch the videos from space or the interviews with pilots, physicists, and astronauts that prove it's spherical"

Grizz you liked to tell everyone how wrong we are for comparing one event too another, but you are always comparing or worse generalizing how guys think.
Good job you are the master.
 
notdonhunting said:
"However, I have no interest in getting into a debate about the shape of our planet with somebody who thinks the earth is flat and refuses to watch the videos from space or the interviews with pilots, physicists, and astronauts that prove it's spherical"

Grizz you liked to tell everyone how wrong we are for comparing one event too another, but you are always comparing or worse generalizing how guys think.
Good job you are the master.
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You're confusing an analogy with an equivalency.

Justifying or distracting from an event by pointing to an unrelated event in the contention that it's bad so therefore the subsequent event is somehow acceptable is totally nonsense.

Imagine somebody assaults your wife and then stands up at his own trial and says, "Well, OJ killed his girlfriend and he got off." It's an idiotic argument and in no way justifies the commiting of a different crime. We all can agree that killing your girlfriend is bad, that doesn't mean that assaulting somebody else is okay.

It's the same with the arguments so many here have made. Just because you think Hunter Biden did something wrong, it in no way vindicates Trump attempting to overturn our democracy to stay in power.

In contrast, using an analogy is an accepted form of discussion and is used everywhere from education to writing and law.
 
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grizzly said:
You very clearly said there was an insurrection today in Wisconsin. Anybody with Google or a dictionary knows that an insurrection includes violence. Please post the videos of violence today. I'll watch them. If there wasn't violence and you misspoke, you can just say it was only a protest in Wisconsin and not an insurrection like at the Capitol.

If you're up for watching something that might make you uncomfortable, go watch the hearings and you'll see hours of video and testimony by Trump's staff of the actual VIOLENT INSURRECTION at the Capitol. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of people that committed violent acts against law enforcement and the video is plain as day. They were there with the stated purpose of overthrowing a Presidential Election.

The only way to deny the insurrection is to bury ones head in the sand and refuse to watch it so you can pretend it's not there. That's very prevalent on this site.

However, I have no interest in getting into a debate about the shape of our planet with somebody who thinks the earth is flat and refuses to watch the videos from space or the interviews with pilots, physicists, and astronauts that prove it's spherical.

The evidence is available. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.


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Bernie inspired and influenced. Is this insurecction when someone tries to take out the other party?

Was Bernie impeached over his rhetoric?
 
grizzly said:
You start into the false equivalency crap again. You've got nothing!
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Well the standard for insurrection has been set as one guy saying “now march peacefully to the capital “ and then some guy walking around the capital high on mushrooms wearing cow horns. So that’s more then been met by the BLM instigation by a VP and the attempts of chuck and Nancy to over throw the judiciary branch via violent public mobs. Thought you weren’t afraid of seeing something you didn’t agree with?
 
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Now. Since we've agreed an insurrection is a violent attack on the capital, I'll ask very simply.

Can you tell me what time the insurrection hearings for BLM start.

Will they include the VP? Will she now be barred from seeking the Presidency? Using the same standards the left is now wanting for Trump?

 
grizzly said:
You're confusing an analogy with an equivalency.

Justifying or distracting from an event by pointing to an unrelated event in the contention that it's bad so therefore the subsequent event is somehow acceptable is totally nonsense.

Imagine somebody assaults your wife and then stands up at his own trial and says, "Well, OJ killed his girlfriend and he got off." It's an idiotic argument and in no way justifies the commiting of a different crime. We all can agree that killing your girlfriend is bad, that doesn't mean that assaulting somebody else is okay.

It's the same with the arguments so many here have made. Just because you think Hunter Biden did something wrong, it in no way vindicates Trump attempting to overturn our democracy to stay in power.

In contrast, using an analogy is an accepted form of discussion and is used everywhere from education to writing and law.
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These hearings are like OJ Simpson being on the panel investigating OJ Simpson
 
Yeah let’s keep it going. We need to bring all these traitors to justice. More trials or maybe just like twat says they should all just be shot right? Have our own little night if the long knives right here in good ole USA! Then of course just like twat denounce nazis after completely acting like one but hey, social justice! Or racism or insurrection or some garbage!! What ever gets the job done. Liberty be damned
 
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Now. Since we've agreed an insurrection is a violent attack on the capital, I'll ask very simply.

Can you tell me what time the insurrection hearings for BLM start.

Will they include the VP? Will she now be barred from seeking the Presidency? Using the same standards the left is now wanting for Trump?

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I thought inciting a riot was a crime, or at least in bad taste.
 
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I personally would like to think so- but since Wyo has an open primary, every democrat in the state may well vote for her, plus the 10% of republicans who are disgruntled with Trump, and then she only needs to clear the field. If that happens, will republicans vote for the democrat in the general election? Crazy to consider...
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30% + 10% = 40%
 
Heck yeah! To make it fair and to appease all parties involved let’s have hearings for all above mentioned riots – we can all agree on that right? Hypothetically speaking it would be interesting to see if any Dems would serve on a committee of hearings for Portland riots, BLM riots, etc.. brought forward by Republicans. Regarding the Jan. 6 hearings, the topic of “Insurrection” (inciting a riot) is merely a red herring (Trump will never be proven to have incited a riot intentionally, he is too cunning with his rhetoric). The real reason for the Jan. 6 hearings is to show how Trump and his team conspired to overthrow an election with false claims that the 2020 election was stolen.



Now back to the original topic of who next? That’s a great question. We all know the current and previous President are/were less than average (understatement of course). Both were elected by many voters plugging their noses and casting their vote. Trump won in 2016 because he wasn’t Hillary and Biden won in 2020 because he wasn’t Trump. It is a darn shame we don’t have better candidates to choose from. After the midterms dust settles we will see who puts their name into the hat.
 
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I guess we're posting YouTube videos of random events completely unrelated to Trump's attempts to overturn an election and stay in power, so I'll join in.


I think I've uncovered the new GOP Oath:

Because 'Black Lives Matter' is bad, we support the greatest president of all time, Donald J. Trump, defrauding the American People for the purpose of remaining in power and hereby forgo our birthright of a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
 
grizzly said:
I guess we're posting YouTube videos of random events completely unrelated to Trump's attempts to overturn an election and stay in power, so I'll join in.


I think I've uncovered the new GOP Oath:

Because 'Black Lives Matter' is bad, we support the greatest president of all time, Donald J. Trump, defrauding the American People for the purpose of remaining in power and hereby forgo our birthright of a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
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Um, I read somewhere that if videos were posted showing insurrection you'd be happy to watch them.

Your spin is just that.

What I said, and will say again.

If attacking the capital, and injuring 50-60 secret service agents, isn't insurrection, than attacking the capital and hurting officers isn't insurrection. You don't get special laws because your BLM or Proud Boys.

Feel free to search my comments on Jan 6.

My thoughts haven't changed. So you don't get to accuse me of blind Trump support.

I thought he was a loud mouth idiot in 2016(feel free to search that) as I do today.

But being a loud mouth idiot DOES NOT BAR ONE FROM RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

Further, as I posted with the Sanders video, IF political rhetoric(Sanders stump speech of we have to fight Republicans because they want you do die) about health care leads to YOUR SUPPORTERS shooting Republicans can't be blamed for bad actors actions, then the same is true of Trump.

You don't get special standards because your a old crank Communist or an orange man.

We have heard nearly daily(by Adam Schiff particularly) for 6 years that Trump will be charged and lead away in handcuffs. Until such time as he is arrested and hauled away in handcuffs, then spare us the drama.

We either live in a country where attacks on the capital are not to be tolerated, or we live in one where they are.

But, we especially shouldn't live in a country were the very people guilty of challenging elections, now get to sit in judgement of another person who challenged elections.

Or, like I said, OJ prosecuting OJ
 
yup. we gotta keep this going. endless trials of insurrection are needed. if Trump goes down great, keep chopping. has to be done at any cost, liberty, free speech, damn it all.politicians, police, any citizen that dares to speak there mind, gotta do it.jail at the least, maybe public hangings, i don't think that's too far. like captain red legs said "doin right has no end" (little Josey wales for ya)

need to make a special service for it, maybe security sector or safety service or something. i dont know, lets just call it the SS, im sure that not taken or been used yet.
 

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