LivingTheDream
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You literally described it, you know, illegally taken game in a box across state lines.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office says that by profiting from the illegal hunts, wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act.He didn't take game.
You might want to actually see how the Lacey act works.
Maybe but not by Wade.You literally described it, you know, illegally taken game in a box across state lines.
Yes. Not by WadeThe U.S. Attorney’s Office says that by profiting from the illegal hunts, wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act.
Killed being the key word here
Yes. Not by Wade
Maybe but not by Wade.
Yes. Not by Wade
You know he plead guilty, like he admitted he did it.
He admitted he violated the Lacey act. You don't have to illegally take game to do that. Like I said, you should learn about the Lacey act.You know he plead guilty, like he admitted he did it.
His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?He didn't take game.
You might want to actually see how the Lacey act works.
The state violation is by the shooter. The Federal Lacey violation is the skin crossing a state line. They don't have to charge the shooter.The shooter didn't get charged. The violation wasn't by the licensed shooter.
It was by the commercial outfitter.
His employee WAS DIRECTED BY WADE.....His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?
I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutelynow way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.
He admitted he violated the Lacey act. You don't have to illegally take game to do that. Like I said, you should learn about the Lacey act.
wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey ActThe state violation is by the shooter. The Federal Lacey violation is the skin crossing a state line. They don't have to charge the shooter.
His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?
I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutely no way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.
It's not tough to understand. Wade didn't harvest the animal. He didn't guide the guy that harvested an animal.His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?
I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutely no way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.
It has everything to do with crossing a state line.wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act
Had nothing to do with crossing a state line.
Again, just read the words
It's not tough to understand. Wade didn't harvest the animal. He didn't guide the guy that harvested an animal.
And I'm not defending anyone.
Why do you hate that I am providing clarity to a story?
Yep. He's a great guy.Yet, he's headed to fed prison.
Shocking how that works
You're telling me that the clients didn't know dogs were released before they got there??????wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act
Had nothing to do with crossing a state line.
Again, just read the words
You're telling me that the clients didn't know dogs were released before they got there??????
How do you not notice that??????
It has everything to do with crossing a state line.
So because they have families it's ok to break the law?What do you expect? This is their jobs. They feed families this way. Do you think that someone goes to jail and everyone in the company decides their kids don't need a future????
This is what I mean about reality. Quit being so self absorbed in your anger.
You mean "excuses"?It's not tough to understand. Wade didn't harvest the animal. He didn't guide the guy that harvested an animal.
And I'm not defending anyone.
Why do you hate that I am providing clarity to a story?
A Lacey act violation is just as embarrassing if not more then pulling the trigger. It’s like a real estate agent urging a loan officer to commit mortgage fraud knowing full well it is wrong and they both go through with it.He admitted he violated the Lacey act. You don't have to illegally take game to do that. Like I said, you should learn about the Lacey act.
Hunter wasn't out of state. The taxidermist was.Show me where the hunters were from out of state.
Not really. Because you don't have to know anything was done illegally to violate it.A Lacey act violation is just as embarrassing if not more then pulling the trigger. It’s like a real estate agent urging a loan officer to commit mortgage fraud knowing full well it is wrong and they both go through with it.
No, I mean clarity.You mean "excuses"?
Although not a "charge", we can't forget they (the entire WLH umbrella) were banned from ever hunting, guiding or assisting on Antelope Island again when they dodged a "wildlife harassment" charge.This is the funniest part.
Years ago an internet rumor hit about a new state record sheep.
Now keep in mind, by the time the rumor was out, Wade had already been contacted by DWR. But, on the internet it was just a rumor.
Then out of the blue, some genius out of Texas posts a pic thinking he's shutting down all the naysayers and it does just the opposite, it creates a firestorm. WLH instantly goes viral, their reputation ruined.
Now, years later, Wade is headed to prison, with similar charges involving a bear hanging over his head, and that same dude from Texas, thinking he's trolling, just brings more and more attention to Wade
Investigation that used to go away quietly by greasing DWR leadership, now gain so much attention, journalists are pushing for charges.
Imagine sitting in the pen getting 2 months to think about why WLH became so infamous.
A random dude in Texas who paid to be taken hunting, has caused more chaos in his life the the totality of the entire state of Utah, and fed prosecutors.
Chefs kiss Tri
So he just guides and doesn’t read the Lacey act? Yeah right he definitely knew what was going on. He has hunted all over the world he’s very familiar with what the Lacey act intels of.Not really. Because you don't have to know anything was done illegally to violate it.
No, it's okay for them to work. You might want to go back and read. Slam and Hoss were disgusted that WLH was doing business today.So because they have families it's ok to break the law?
WAFJ you are
You don't understand what I'm saying.So he just guides and doesn’t read the Lacey act? Yeah right he definitely knew what was going on.
People on the internet keep saying that but nobody ever provides documentation of it.Although not a "charge", we can't forget they (the entire WLH umbrella) were banned from ever hunting, guiding or assisting on Antelope Island again when they dodged a "wildlife harassment" charge.
If the outfitter ships a deer for the client they guided, believe me they know if it was legal or illegal.You don't understand what I'm saying.
Example.
Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.
All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
In your example you might all be charged with a misdemeanor if “in the exercise of due care [you] should have known” that the wildlife was taken illegally.You don't understand what I'm saying.
Example.
Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.
All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
Why. He isn't there.If the outfitter ships a deer for the client they guided, believe me they know if it was legal or illegal.
Did he plead to a felony or a misdemeanor?In your example you might all be charged with a misdemeanor if “in the exercise of due care [you] should have known” that the wildlife was taken illegally.
For a felony Lacey charge like the one Lemon was indicted on and apparently pleaded guilty to, the govt had to prove “knowingly.”
Misdo I assume. Ask him and let us know.Did he plead to a felony or a misdemeanor?
So it may not jive with your previous hypothesis.Misdo I assume. Ask him and let us know.
Yeah, the press release doesn’t say what he pleaded to. Let us know.So it may not jive with your previous hypothesis.
Hunter wasn't out of state. The taxidermist was.
Not really. Because you don't have to know anything was done illegally to violate it.
I'm disgusted they've been doing business for a decade.No, it's okay for them to work. You might want to go back and read. Slam and Hoss were disgusted that WLH was doing business today.
Ask Wade. You talk to him. Ask him why Kalan isn't allowed on AI. Get back to usPeople on the internet keep saying that but nobody ever provides documentation of it.
Why. He isn't there.
Wade was convicted for LEADING AND PROFITING from illegal take as a commercial entity.You don't understand what I'm saying.
Example.
Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.
All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
The client didn't just ask the outfitter like it was his brother. He entered in a contract with an outfitter, the client hired someone that was licensed and knows the laws that affect the outfitting business, hunting laws and relies on the outfitter to be honest.You don't understand what I'm saying.
Example.
Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.
All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
The client didn't just ask the outfitter like it was his brother. He entered in a contract with an outfitter, the client hired someone that was licensed and knows the laws that affect the outfitting business, hunting laws and relies on the outfitter to be honest.
You sound like you are OK that your buddy was convicted of violating the Lacy act.
2 months is not enough for prison, county jail.Oh Tri.
I know it's just tough when all those "rumors" I spread keep ending up in court, and now, federal prison.
Don't worry son, he can still shoot those blindfolded pen deer in Mexico, you might still have some buisness with him.
No you actually don'tNo.
You actually do.
In nearly every profession, the professional has to KNOW.
Whether that's an electrician, doctor, or outfitter.
I'm not trying to prove anything.Because its his business to know. And because he plead guilty.
How do your refute that he plead guilty? I will use your logic, show me proof that he didn't plead guilty.
I dont even know what you are trying to prove, he was convicted, there wasn't a bad judge or a jury, he said he did it.
In one post yall are mad that they were working today and then you say they are destroyed????Buddy? Good hell Tri has single handedly destroyed WLH.
I'm not trying to prove anything.
I say he's a great guy and yalls brains melt.
He (Tri) most definitely is 100% okay with his buddy violating the Lacy act.You sound like you are OK that your buddy was convicted of violating the Lacy act.
Success at whatever cost equals fame and fortuneI’m still baffled at the fact that some a$$hole would be ok with an outfitter or guide lighting a fire under a tree to keep and animal up the tree until the paying client got there a day later to shoot it out of the tree.
I thought I ran with some savage bastards back in the day until I read that. I don’t think they would have done that.
wtf has happened to us as humans.
Where’s all the hookers??
Until it catches up with youSuccess at whatever cost equals fame and fortune![]()
They arrive at dark, along with all the blowWhere’s all the hookers??
"Make 'Em".......no truer words spoken.Not Being Rude!
But Is That As Big As They Make Em In Mexico Now?
Those are advertised Coues bucks"Make 'Em".......no truer words spoken.
All we know is what you post here. And pretty much everyone here sees the same thing.If you only knew.
Yep that pretty much sums it up.All we know is what you post here. And pretty much everyone here sees the same thing.
1. You clearly have an issue with authority figures, and our criminal justice system.
2. You have very low moral and ethical standards when it comes to criminal activity.
3. You torture small animals which makes you a psychopath by definition.
Your next post will let us add liar to the list.
Prove me wrong.
Try wiring a house without a electrician signing offNo you actually don't
I'm guessing she's "fun"
(54) | "Take" means to:
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If anyone actually cares about what the law REALLY says, the definition of “take” in statute is much more broad than actually killing an animal.
To claim that WL did not “illegally take” an animal here shows just his ignorant a man can be.
Just for everyone else that lives in reality:
(54) "Take" means to:
(a) hunt, pursue, harass, catch, capture, possess, gather, angle, seine, trap, or kill protected wildlife; or
(b) attempt an action referred to in Subsection (54)(a).
WL has had this coming for a long, long time. His illegal activities have been a stain on the hunting community and particularly the hunting industry (IE- pimping public resources) for far too long. The chickens almost always eventually come home to roost. I feel bad for others he has harmed in the process, but I don’t feel sympathy for him. He’s begged for this for a long time, in my opinion.
I don't respect you enough to try and prove you wrong.All we know is what you post here. And pretty much everyone here sees the same thing.
1. You clearly have an issue with authority figures, and our criminal justice system.
2. You have very low moral and ethical standards when it comes to criminal activity.
3. You torture small animals which makes you a psychopath by definition.
Your next post will let us add liar to the list.
Prove me wrong.
I possess several hundred animals right now. So I took all of them?If anyone actually cares about what the law REALLY says, the definition of “take” in statute is much more broad than actually killing an animal.
To claim that WL did not “illegally take” an animal here shows just his ignorant a man can be.
Just for everyone else that lives in reality:
(54) "Take" means to:
(a) hunt, pursue, harass, catch, capture, possess, gather, angle, seine, trap, or kill protected wildlife; or
(b) attempt an action referred to in Subsection (54)(a).
WL has had this coming for a long, long time. His illegal activities have been a stain on the hunting community and particularly the hunting industry (IE- pimping public resources) for far too long. The chickens almost always eventually come home to roost. I feel bad for others he has harmed in the process, but I don’t feel sympathy for him. He’s begged for this for a long time, in my opinion.
I possess several hundred animals right now. So I took all of them?
What's even better is apparently Boone and Crockett owe Kirt Darner an apology.
This really isn't as hard as you're making it.
Oh well, it's pretty comical![]()
Fortunately I don’t know you. But as I SAID, me and everyone else WILL draw conclusions about you from the retarded crap you post.I don't respect you enough to try and prove you wrong.
You don't know anyone by words on the internet. To believe you can is delusional.
Oh boy, this ought to be good.........What's even better is apparently Boone and Crockett owe Kirt Darner an apology.
I possess several hundred animals right now. So I took all of them?
Fortunately I don’t know you. But as I SAID, me and everyone else WILL draw conclusions about you from the retarded crap you post.
Yes I know you and others are poor at reading "comprehensive".Fortunately I don’t know you. But as I SAID, me and everyone else WILL draw conclusions about you from the retarded crap you post.
I possess several hundred animals right now. So I took all of them?
Quite literally, yes.
Damn all us taxidermists better get a plan together for a country with no extradition.Quite literally, yes.
Damn all us taxidermists better get a plan together for a country with no extradition.![]()
He doesn't comprehend what paperwork means in that line of work.Are you openly admitting you’re not following the laws regarding taking possession of someone’s protected game animal?
And if so, why are you implicating everyone else and assume they are a law breaking d bag like you?
Damn all us taxidermists better get a plan together for a country with no extradition.![]()
No I'm trying to make a joke of the difference between what common person's idea of take is, in regards to hunting, with what the provided legal description is.Are you openly admitting you’re not following the laws regarding taking possession of someone’s protected game animal?
And if so, why are you implicating everyone else and assuming they are a bunch of law breaking d bags like you?
The common folk understand perfectly what Wade did was illegal. We knew the sheep he TOOK was illegal. We knew the fences clearly marked NO TRESSPASSING he jumped was illegal. We know his upcoming trial for his illegality with Don Jr, was illegal.No I'm trying to make a joke of the difference between what common person's idea of take is, in regards to hunting, with what the provided legal description is.
Hence the laughing face at the end of the post.
Some folks are so dramatic.
What sheep he took?The common folk understand perfectly what Wade did was illegal. We knew the sheep he TOOK was illegal. We knew the fences clearly marked NO TRESSPASSING he jumped was illegal. We know his upcoming trial for his illegality with Don Jr, was illegal.
The common folks, the DWR, and tge law folks all understand.
You are alone in your confusion
You can't be serious.....What sheep he took?
You probably don't know as much as you think or gossip about.
I always try and clarify. If you don't you can be surprised.You can't be serious.....
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