WLH going to prison

Tristate said:
He didn't take game.

You might want to actually see how the Lacey act works.
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The U.S. Attorney’s Office says that by profiting from the illegal hunts, wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act.

Killed being the key word here
 
Tristate said:
He didn't take game.

You might want to actually see how the Lacey act works.
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His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?

I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutely no way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.
 
slamdunk said:
His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?

I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutelynow way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.
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His employee WAS DIRECTED BY WADE.....

Same as in the Don Jr case that's pending.

Had Wade KILLED the cat, he'd be facing poaching charges on top of lacey violation
 
Tristate said:
The state violation is by the shooter. The Federal Lacey violation is the skin crossing a state line. They don't have to charge the shooter.
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wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act


Had nothing to do with crossing a state line.

Again, just read the words
 
slamdunk said:
His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?

I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutely no way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.
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It's not tough to understand. Wade didn't harvest the animal. He didn't guide the guy that harvested an animal.

And I'm not defending anyone.

Why do you hate that I am providing clarity to a story?
 
Best part, is there isn't early parole from fed prison generally, so ole boy will get released just in time for the Don Jr case to hit, followed by his chopper case.

Anyone know if Mexico allows felons to cross their border?
 
Utah big-game outfitter who’s been investigated for alleged wildlife crimes in the past was sentenced in federal court Thursday for leading “canned” mountain lion hunts on public land in 2020 and 2021. The U.S. Attorney’s Office says that by profiting from the illegal hunts, wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act
 
hossblur said:
wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act


Had nothing to do with crossing a state line.

Again, just read the words
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You're telling me that the clients didn't know dogs were released before they got there??????

How do you not notice that??????

It has everything to do with crossing a state line.
 
This is the funniest part.

Years ago an internet rumor hit about a new state record sheep.

Now keep in mind, by the time the rumor was out, Wade had already been contacted by DWR. But, on the internet it was just a rumor.

Then out of the blue, some genius out of Texas posts a pic thinking he's shutting down all the naysayers and it does just the opposite, it creates a firestorm. WLH instantly goes viral, their reputation ruined.

Now, years later, Wade is headed to prison, with similar charges involving a bear hanging over his head, and that same dude from Texas, thinking he's trolling, just brings more and more attention to Wade

Investigation that used to go away quietly by greasing DWR leadership, now gain so much attention, journalists are pushing for charges.


Imagine sitting in the pen getting 2 months to think about why WLH became so infamous.

A random dude in Texas who paid to be taken hunting, has caused more chaos in his life the the totality of the entire state of Utah, and fed prosecutors.


Chefs kiss Tri
 
Tristate said:
He admitted he violated the Lacey act. You don't have to illegally take game to do that. Like I said, you should learn about the Lacey act.
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A Lacey act violation is just as embarrassing if not more then pulling the trigger. It’s like a real estate agent urging a loan officer to commit mortgage fraud knowing full well it is wrong and they both go through with it.
 
wstrntines said:
A Lacey act violation is just as embarrassing if not more then pulling the trigger. It’s like a real estate agent urging a loan officer to commit mortgage fraud knowing full well it is wrong and they both go through with it.
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Not really. Because you don't have to know anything was done illegally to violate it.
 
hossblur said:
This is the funniest part.

Years ago an internet rumor hit about a new state record sheep.

Now keep in mind, by the time the rumor was out, Wade had already been contacted by DWR. But, on the internet it was just a rumor.

Then out of the blue, some genius out of Texas posts a pic thinking he's shutting down all the naysayers and it does just the opposite, it creates a firestorm. WLH instantly goes viral, their reputation ruined.

Now, years later, Wade is headed to prison, with similar charges involving a bear hanging over his head, and that same dude from Texas, thinking he's trolling, just brings more and more attention to Wade

Investigation that used to go away quietly by greasing DWR leadership, now gain so much attention, journalists are pushing for charges.


Imagine sitting in the pen getting 2 months to think about why WLH became so infamous.

A random dude in Texas who paid to be taken hunting, has caused more chaos in his life the the totality of the entire state of Utah, and fed prosecutors.


Chefs kiss Tri
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Although not a "charge", we can't forget they (the entire WLH umbrella) were banned from ever hunting, guiding or assisting on Antelope Island again when they dodged a "wildlife harassment" charge.
 
wstrntines said:
So he just guides and doesn’t read the Lacey act? Yeah right he definitely knew what was going on.
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You don't understand what I'm saying.

Example.

Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.

All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
 
slamdunk said:
Although not a "charge", we can't forget they (the entire WLH umbrella) were banned from ever hunting, guiding or assisting on Antelope Island again when they dodged a "wildlife harassment" charge.
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People on the internet keep saying that but nobody ever provides documentation of it.
 
Tristate said:
You don't understand what I'm saying.

Example.

Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.

All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
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If the outfitter ships a deer for the client they guided, believe me they know if it was legal or illegal.
 
Tristate said:
You don't understand what I'm saying.

Example.

Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.

All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
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In your example you might all be charged with a misdemeanor if “in the exercise of due care [you] should have known” that the wildlife was taken illegally.

For a felony Lacey charge like the one Lemon was indicted on and apparently pleaded guilty to, the govt had to prove “knowingly.”
 
diablo said:
In your example you might all be charged with a misdemeanor if “in the exercise of due care [you] should have known” that the wildlife was taken illegally.

For a felony Lacey charge like the one Lemon was indicted on and apparently pleaded guilty to, the govt had to prove “knowingly.”
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Did he plead to a felony or a misdemeanor?
 
Took awhile to find the end here. Don’t let me stop you guys. I just wanted to get more popcorn!! 🤣🤣🤣
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Tristate said:
You don't understand what I'm saying.

Example.

Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.

All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
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Wade was convicted for LEADING AND PROFITING from illegal take as a commercial entity.

His charges have zero to do with interstate shipping.

I literally quoted the exact charge, and as usual you invented some story.

The hunter was not charged. The taxidermist was not charged. They weren't because the charge wasn't a state line violation, it was a COMMERCIAL OUTFITTER violation.

I can quite the exact charge 30 more times and you'd still invent bullshit.

Wade Lemon SOLD that cat. Before it was in the truck, he violated Lacey.



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The Lacey Act, as amended in 1981 and 2008, prohibits the importation, exportation, transportation, sale, receipt, acquisition, or purchase of any fish or wildlife or plant taken, possessed, transported, or sold in violation of any law, treaty, or regulation of the United States or any Indian tribal law, or foreign law
 
Tristate said:
You don't understand what I'm saying.

Example.

Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.

All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.
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The client didn't just ask the outfitter like it was his brother. He entered in a contract with an outfitter, the client hired someone that was licensed and knows the laws that affect the outfitting business, hunting laws and relies on the outfitter to be honest.
You sound like you are OK that your buddy was convicted of violating the Lacy act.
 
Any fish, wildlife or plant taken, possessed, transported, OR SOLD IN VIOLATION OF ANY LAW........

He broke Utah law, and as a commercial entity, on federal land, he was charged with a Lacey violation.

That cat was illegal the moment he treed it, and waited. And, he knew it, thus the plea.

He was looking at a year, and took 2 months.
 
RRCowboyStar said:
The client didn't just ask the outfitter like it was his brother. He entered in a contract with an outfitter, the client hired someone that was licensed and knows the laws that affect the outfitting business, hunting laws and relies on the outfitter to be honest.
You sound like you are OK that your buddy was convicted of violating the Lacy act.
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Buddy? Good hell Tri has single handedly destroyed WLH.
 
LivingTheDream said:
Because its his business to know. And because he plead guilty.

How do your refute that he plead guilty? I will use your logic, show me proof that he didn't plead guilty.

I dont even know what you are trying to prove, he was convicted, there wasn't a bad judge or a jury, he said he did it.
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I'm not trying to prove anything.

I say he's a great guy and yalls brains melt.
 
I’ve had the pleasure to talk with Wade a couple time very pleasurable and friendly gentleman. But this still doesn’t make it ok for the multiple game violation he and his outfitting business occurred and been accused of the last couple years. What blows me away is that they haven’t revoked is outfitter license ( shame on Utah ).
 
I’m still baffled at the fact that some a$$hole would be ok with an outfitter or guide lighting a fire under a tree to keep and animal up the tree until the paying client got there a day later to shoot it out of the tree.

I thought I ran with some savage bastards back in the day until I read that. I don’t think they would have done that.

wtf has happened to us as humans.
 
Mallardsx2 said:
I’m still baffled at the fact that some a$$hole would be ok with an outfitter or guide lighting a fire under a tree to keep and animal up the tree until the paying client got there a day later to shoot it out of the tree.

I thought I ran with some savage bastards back in the day until I read that. I don’t think they would have done that.

wtf has happened to us as humans.
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Success at whatever cost equals fame and fortune 💰
 
Tristate said:
If you only knew.
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All we know is what you post here. And pretty much everyone here sees the same thing.

1. You clearly have an issue with authority figures, and our criminal justice system.
2. You have very low moral and ethical standards when it comes to criminal activity.
3. You torture small animals which makes you a psychopath by definition.

Your next post will let us add liar to the list.

Prove me wrong.
 
Bluehair said:
All we know is what you post here. And pretty much everyone here sees the same thing.

1. You clearly have an issue with authority figures, and our criminal justice system.
2. You have very low moral and ethical standards when it comes to criminal activity.
3. You torture small animals which makes you a psychopath by definition.

Your next post will let us add liar to the list.

Prove me wrong.
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Yep that pretty much sums it up.
I’m waiting on founders reply though.
 
If anyone actually cares about what the law REALLY says, the definition of “take” in statute is much more broad than actually killing an animal.

To claim that WL did not “illegally take” an animal here shows just his ignorant a man can be.

Just for everyone else that lives in reality:
(54)"Take" means to:
(a)hunt, pursue, harass, catch, capture, possess, gather, angle, seine, trap, or kill protected wildlife; or
(b)attempt an action referred to in Subsection (54)(a).

WL has had this coming for a long, long time. His illegal activities have been a stain on the hunting community and particularly the hunting industry (IE- pimping public resources) for far too long. The chickens almost always eventually come home to roost. I feel bad for others he has harmed in the process, but I don’t feel sympathy for him. He’s begged for this for a long time, in my opinion.
 
Vanilla said:
If anyone actually cares about what the law REALLY says, the definition of “take” in statute is much more broad than actually killing an animal.

To claim that WL did not “illegally take” an animal here shows just his ignorant a man can be.

Just for everyone else that lives in reality:
(54)"Take" means to:
(a)hunt, pursue, harass, catch, capture, possess, gather, angle, seine, trap, or kill protected wildlife; or
(b)attempt an action referred to in Subsection (54)(a).

WL has had this coming for a long, long time. His illegal activities have been a stain on the hunting community and particularly the hunting industry (IE- pimping public resources) for far too long. The chickens almost always eventually come home to roost. I feel bad for others he has harmed in the process, but I don’t feel sympathy for him. He’s begged for this for a long time, in my opinion.
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When BLAAAAMMMMM went down, I called Cedar DWR because the rumor at the time was they gave Wade the go ahead.

Person I talked was PISSED. They told me Wade had pulled that stunt several times in the past and now the blowback was coming to them and they had nothing to do with it. That person gave me the biologist in Price name while telling me Wade "most likely sought out a biologist who didn't deal in big game like he had with them".

I was told eventually Wade will get what he deserves, it was just a matter of time.
 
Bluehair said:
All we know is what you post here. And pretty much everyone here sees the same thing.

1. You clearly have an issue with authority figures, and our criminal justice system.
2. You have very low moral and ethical standards when it comes to criminal activity.
3. You torture small animals which makes you a psychopath by definition.

Your next post will let us add liar to the list.

Prove me wrong.
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I don't respect you enough to try and prove you wrong.

You don't know anyone by words on the internet. To believe you can is delusional.
 
Vanilla said:
If anyone actually cares about what the law REALLY says, the definition of “take” in statute is much more broad than actually killing an animal.

To claim that WL did not “illegally take” an animal here shows just his ignorant a man can be.

Just for everyone else that lives in reality:
(54)"Take" means to:
(a)hunt, pursue, harass, catch, capture, possess, gather, angle, seine, trap, or kill protected wildlife; or
(b)attempt an action referred to in Subsection (54)(a).

WL has had this coming for a long, long time. His illegal activities have been a stain on the hunting community and particularly the hunting industry (IE- pimping public resources) for far too long. The chickens almost always eventually come home to roost. I feel bad for others he has harmed in the process, but I don’t feel sympathy for him. He’s begged for this for a long time, in my opinion.
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I possess several hundred animals right now. So I took all of them?
 
Tristate said:
I don't respect you enough to try and prove you wrong.

You don't know anyone by words on the internet. To believe you can is delusional.
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Fortunately I don’t know you. But as I SAID, me and everyone else WILL draw conclusions about you from the retarded crap you post.
 

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