WLH going to prison

[LivingTheDream]

You literally described it, you know, illegally taken game in a box across state lines.

 

[hossblur]

He didn't take game.

You might want to actually see how the Lacey act works.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office says that by profiting from the illegal hunts, wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act.

Killed being the key word here

 

[Tristate]

You literally described it, you know, illegally taken game in a box across state lines.

Maybe but not by Wade.

 

[Tristate]

The U.S. Attorney’s Office says that by profiting from the illegal hunts, wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act.

Killed being the key word here

Yes. Not by Wade

 

[LivingTheDream]

Yes. Not by Wade

You know he plead guilty, like he admitted he did it.

 

[hossblur]

Maybe but not by Wade.

Yes. Not by Wade

The shooter didn't get charged. The violation wasn't by the licensed shooter.

It was by the commercial outfitter.

 

[hossblur]

You know he plead guilty, like he admitted he did it.

He plead guilty to get 2 months.

Makes one wonder what the actual sentence would have been

 

[Tristate]

You know he plead guilty, like he admitted he did it.

He admitted he violated the Lacey act. You don't have to illegally take game to do that. Like I said, you should learn about the Lacey act.

 

[slamdunk]

He didn't take game.

You might want to actually see how the Lacey act works.

His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?

I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutely no way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.

 

[Tristate]

The shooter didn't get charged. The violation wasn't by the licensed shooter.

It was by the commercial outfitter.

The state violation is by the shooter. The Federal Lacey violation is the skin crossing a state line. They don't have to charge the shooter.

 

[hossblur]

His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?

I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutelynow way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.

His employee WAS DIRECTED BY WADE.....

Same as in the Don Jr case that's pending.

Had Wade KILLED the cat, he'd be facing poaching charges on top of lacey violation

 

[LivingTheDream]

He admitted he violated the Lacey act. You don't have to illegally take game to do that. Like I said, you should learn about the Lacey act.

I think you need to learn about it, since you described what he did is the definition of what a violation of the lacey act is. Also, he plead guilty.

 

[hossblur]

The state violation is by the shooter. The Federal Lacey violation is the skin crossing a state line. They don't have to charge the shooter.

wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act


Had nothing to do with crossing a state line.

Again, just read the words

 

[LivingTheDream]

His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?

I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutely no way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.

100% this is trolling at this point.

Or maybe he is advertising to poachers that he will do their taxidermy work.

 

[Tristate]

His employee took the wildlife under the WLH name.....why is this so tough to understand?

I know you're not this dumb, there's absolutely no way possible(for lack of a better term at the moment), you are just stubbornly defending your BFF.

It's not tough to understand. Wade didn't harvest the animal. He didn't guide the guy that harvested an animal.

And I'm not defending anyone.

Why do you hate that I am providing clarity to a story?

 

[Shadow]

Tri, you weren’t by chance on the high school debate team?

 

[Tristate]

wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act


Had nothing to do with crossing a state line.

Again, just read the words

It has everything to do with crossing a state line.

 

[hossblur]

Best part, is there isn't early parole from fed prison generally, so ole boy will get released just in time for the Don Jr case to hit, followed by his chopper case.

Anyone know if Mexico allows felons to cross their border?

 

[hossblur]

It's not tough to understand. Wade didn't harvest the animal. He didn't guide the guy that harvested an animal.

And I'm not defending anyone.

Why do you hate that I am providing clarity to a story?

Yet, he's headed to fed prison.

Shocking how that works

 

[Tristate]

Yet, he's headed to fed prison.

Shocking how that works

Yep. He's a great guy.

 

[hossblur]

Utah big-game outfitter who’s been investigated for alleged wildlife crimes in the past was sentenced in federal court Thursday for leading “canned” mountain lion hunts on public land in 2020 and 2021. The U.S. Attorney’s Office says that by profiting from the illegal hunts, wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act

 

[hossblur]

"leading"

 

[Tristate]

wherein the clients unknowingly killed mountain lions that had been treed and held there for them, Wade Lemon violated the Lacey Act


Had nothing to do with crossing a state line.

Again, just read the words

You're telling me that the clients didn't know dogs were released before they got there??????

How do you not notice that??????

It has everything to do with crossing a state line.

 

[hossblur]

You're telling me that the clients didn't know dogs were released before they got there??????

How do you not notice that??????

It has everything to do with crossing a state line.

Show me where the hunters were from out of state.

 

[hossblur]

This is the funniest part.

Years ago an internet rumor hit about a new state record sheep.

Now keep in mind, by the time the rumor was out, Wade had already been contacted by DWR. But, on the internet it was just a rumor.

Then out of the blue, some genius out of Texas posts a pic thinking he's shutting down all the naysayers and it does just the opposite, it creates a firestorm. WLH instantly goes viral, their reputation ruined.

Now, years later, Wade is headed to prison, with similar charges involving a bear hanging over his head, and that same dude from Texas, thinking he's trolling, just brings more and more attention to Wade

Investigation that used to go away quietly by greasing DWR leadership, now gain so much attention, journalists are pushing for charges.


Imagine sitting in the pen getting 2 months to think about why WLH became so infamous.

A random dude in Texas who paid to be taken hunting, has caused more chaos in his life the the totality of the entire state of Utah, and fed prosecutors.


Chefs kiss Tri

 

[treedagain]

What do you expect? This is their jobs. They feed families this way. Do you think that someone goes to jail and everyone in the company decides their kids don't need a future????

This is what I mean about reality. Quit being so self absorbed in your anger.

So because they have families it's ok to break the law?
WAFJ you are

 

[slamdunk]

It's not tough to understand. Wade didn't harvest the animal. He didn't guide the guy that harvested an animal.

And I'm not defending anyone.

Why do you hate that I am providing clarity to a story?

You mean "excuses"?

 

[wstrntines]

He admitted he violated the Lacey act. You don't have to illegally take game to do that. Like I said, you should learn about the Lacey act.

A Lacey act violation is just as embarrassing if not more then pulling the trigger. It’s like a real estate agent urging a loan officer to commit mortgage fraud knowing full well it is wrong and they both go through with it.

 

[Tristate]

Show me where the hunters were from out of state.

Hunter wasn't out of state. The taxidermist was.

 

[Tristate]

A Lacey act violation is just as embarrassing if not more then pulling the trigger. It’s like a real estate agent urging a loan officer to commit mortgage fraud knowing full well it is wrong and they both go through with it.

Not really. Because you don't have to know anything was done illegally to violate it.

 

[Tristate]

You mean "excuses"?

No, I mean clarity.

 

[slamdunk]

This is the funniest part.

Years ago an internet rumor hit about a new state record sheep.

Now keep in mind, by the time the rumor was out, Wade had already been contacted by DWR. But, on the internet it was just a rumor.

Then out of the blue, some genius out of Texas posts a pic thinking he's shutting down all the naysayers and it does just the opposite, it creates a firestorm. WLH instantly goes viral, their reputation ruined.

Now, years later, Wade is headed to prison, with similar charges involving a bear hanging over his head, and that same dude from Texas, thinking he's trolling, just brings more and more attention to Wade

Investigation that used to go away quietly by greasing DWR leadership, now gain so much attention, journalists are pushing for charges.


Imagine sitting in the pen getting 2 months to think about why WLH became so infamous.

A random dude in Texas who paid to be taken hunting, has caused more chaos in his life the the totality of the entire state of Utah, and fed prosecutors.


Chefs kiss Tri

Although not a "charge", we can't forget they (the entire WLH umbrella) were banned from ever hunting, guiding or assisting on Antelope Island again when they dodged a "wildlife harassment" charge.

 

[wstrntines]

Not really. Because you don't have to know anything was done illegally to violate it.

So he just guides and doesn’t read the Lacey act? Yeah right he definitely knew what was going on. He has hunted all over the world he’s very familiar with what the Lacey act intels of.

 

[Tristate]

So because they have families it's ok to break the law?
WAFJ you are

No, it's okay for them to work. You might want to go back and read. Slam and Hoss were disgusted that WLH was doing business today.

 

[Tristate]

So he just guides and doesn’t read the Lacey act? Yeah right he definitely knew what was going on.

You don't understand what I'm saying.

Example.

Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.

All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.

 

[Tristate]

Although not a "charge", we can't forget they (the entire WLH umbrella) were banned from ever hunting, guiding or assisting on Antelope Island again when they dodged a "wildlife harassment" charge.

People on the internet keep saying that but nobody ever provides documentation of it.

 

[wstrntines]

You don't understand what I'm saying.

Example.

Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.

All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.

If the outfitter ships a deer for the client they guided, believe me they know if it was legal or illegal.

 

[diablo]

You don't understand what I'm saying.

Example.

Your brother asks you to ship his deer to me in another state. You don't know it was taken illegally. I don't know it was taken illegally. You ship it. I do the proper legal paperwork. I ship it back to him finished.

All three of us are in violation of the Lacey act.

In your example you might all be charged with a misdemeanor if “in the exercise of due care [you] should have known” that the wildlife was taken illegally.

For a felony Lacey charge like the one Lemon was indicted on and apparently pleaded guilty to, the govt had to prove “knowingly.”

 

[Tristate]

If the outfitter ships a deer for the client they guided, believe me they know if it was legal or illegal.

Why. He isn't there.

 

[Tristate]

In your example you might all be charged with a misdemeanor if “in the exercise of due care [you] should have known” that the wildlife was taken illegally.

For a felony Lacey charge like the one Lemon was indicted on and apparently pleaded guilty to, the govt had to prove “knowingly.”

Did he plead to a felony or a misdemeanor?

 

[diablo]

Did he plead to a felony or a misdemeanor?

Misdo I assume. Ask him and let us know.

 

[Tristate]

Misdo I assume. Ask him and let us know.

So it may not jive with your previous hypothesis.

 

[diablo]

So it may not jive with your previous hypothesis.

Yeah, the press release doesn’t say what he pleaded to. Let us know.

 

[LIK2HNT]

Took awhile to find the end here. Don’t let me stop you guys. I just wanted to get more popcorn!!