DNR padding their work loads with speeding tickets??

This kind of stuff ticks me off! No wonder people can poach and get away with it. No One is out there. And then to have a DWR officer pull you over and give tickets??? Garbage!!! Someone needs to ask about this at the next RAC or WB meeting and I would love to see the looks on the faces of the Board.
 
A little off topic but those windows are definitely tinted too dark to be legal…

IMG_5731.jpeg
 
I'm assuming this is part of DWR becoming DNR?


Seems fraudulent to me. We fund this agency with Pitman and license fees to watch out for our wildlife and instead they are on I-15 chasing teenagers?
 
Once the archery season starts, the officers will all be in court for the I-15 speeding court dates vs being in the field. Pretty messed up.
 
Robiland said:
Someone needs to ask about this at the next RAC or WB meeting and I would love to see the looks on the faces of the Board.
Click to expand...

Why? The DWR conservation officers do not work for the Wildlife Board or the RACs. Why would the DNR care what those two groups have to say over anyone else?

elkassassin said:
Anybody Know How Close To The White Line Is Too F'N Close?

How Bout It Niller?

Do You Know?
Click to expand...

I do know! “Close to the line” is not a violation.

I know this news story gets people fired up, and that is the whole reason they are doing it. A presidential election isn’t enough good news bites for them, apparently. So here is the deal, coming from someone that has no authority to speak on behalf of anyone and I have no inside knowledge about what is happening with the DNR directive, but I do know a thing or two about this world and will spit some truth for you all.

DWR conservation officers are POST certified with the exact same statewide law enforcement jurisdiction as any other police officer in the state. If they observe a violation of the law, why does anyone think they can’t stop you? The law doesn’t agree with you if you are of that belief. While traffic enforcement isn’t a part of their direct duties, it’s absolutely in their prerogative to make a lawful stop for any violation of the law anywhere in the state of Utah.

Next, it appears they are doing this because they were told to do so by their superiors. The vast majority of us answer to a boss, and when our bosses say your job is now to do this, we do it. If we have an issue with the practice, we shouldn’t harp on the officers, but take it up the chain to those that mandated they do certain things.

Honestly, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If I felt like DWR officers were camped out on I-15 running radar all shift, that would bug me, however, it appears they are just being told that when out and about traveling between areas, if you see something, do something about it. I’ve got no issue with that. This isn’t illegal. It’s not a violation of policy. It’s within their law enforcement powers.

If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
 
So?

Is Our DWR/DNR Money Going For RADAR Guns & Such?

I Believe We Have UHP'S For That!

So?

If The UHP Decides He's Had Enough Of The City BS?

Can He Go To The Mountain & Look For POACHERS & ETC?

Vanilla said:
Why? The DWR conservation officers do not work for the Wildlife Board or the RACs. Why would the DNR care what those two groups have to say over anyone else?



I do know! “Close to the line” is not a violation.

I know this news story gets people fired up, and that is the whole reason they are doing it. A presidential election isn’t enough good news bites for them, apparently. So here is the deal, coming from someone that has no authority to speak on behalf of anyone and I have no inside knowledge about what is happening with the DNR directive, but I do know a thing or two about this world and will spit some truth for you all.

DWR conservation officers are POST certified with the exact same statewide law enforcement jurisdiction as any other police officer in the state. If they observe a violation of the law, why does anyone think they can’t stop you? The law doesn’t agree with you if you are of that belief. While traffic enforcement isn’t a part of their direct duties, it’s absolutely in their prerogative to make a lawful stop for any violation of the law anywhere in the state of Utah.

Next, it appears they are doing this because they were told to do so by their superiors. The vast majority of us answer to a boss, and when our bosses say your job is now to do this, we do it. If we have an issue with the practice, we shouldn’t harp on the officers, but take it up the chain to those that mandated they do certain things.

Honestly, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If I felt like DWR officers were camped out on I-15 running radar all shift, that would bug me, however, it appears they are just being told that when out and about traveling between areas, if you see something, do something about it. I’ve got no issue with that. This isn’t illegal. It’s not a violation of policy. It’s within their law enforcement powers.

If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
Click to expand...
 
elkassassin said:
Is Our DWR/DNR Money Going For RADAR Guns & Such?
Click to expand...

The article said they are not equipped with radar/lidar guns. So I guess the answer to that is no, none of “your” DWR/DNR money is going to those things.

elkassassin said:
So?

If The UHP Decides He's Had Enough Of The City BS?

Can He Go To The Mountain & Look For POACHERS & ETC?
Click to expand...

I’m guessing the colonel of the Utah Highway Patrol will not give that directive. However, if he did, I guess legally they could.
 
Vanilla said:
Why? The DWR conservation officers do not work for the Wildlife Board or the RACs. Why would the DNR care what those two groups have to say over anyone else?



I do know! “Close to the line” is not a violation.

I know this news story gets people fired up, and that is the whole reason they are doing it. A presidential election isn’t enough good news bites for them, apparently. So here is the deal, coming from someone that has no authority to speak on behalf of anyone and I have no inside knowledge about what is happening with the DNR directive, but I do know a thing or two about this world and will spit some truth for you all.

DWR conservation officers are POST certified with the exact same statewide law enforcement jurisdiction as any other police officer in the state. If they observe a violation of the law, why does anyone think they can’t stop you? The law doesn’t agree with you if you are of that belief. While traffic enforcement isn’t a part of their direct duties, it’s absolutely in their prerogative to make a lawful stop for any violation of the law anywhere in the state of Utah.

Next, it appears they are doing this because they were told to do so by their superiors. The vast majority of us answer to a boss, and when our bosses say your job is now to do this, we do it. If we have an issue with the practice, we shouldn’t harp on the officers, but take it up the chain to those that mandated they do certain things.

Honestly, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If I felt like DWR officers were camped out on I-15 running radar all shift, that would bug me, however, it appears they are just being told that when out and about traveling between areas, if you see something, do something about it. I’ve got no issue with that. This isn’t illegal. It’s not a violation of policy. It’s within their law enforcement powers.

If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
Click to expand...
I believe people are mostly upset that we have UHP, city and county cops to patrol traffic violations. DWR is for the wildlife. The fact they are actually putting in time and resources to patrol things we already have tax dollars paying for, when they could be out doing what their actual job, is what get people mad. You hear all the time their resources and man power is already stretched very thin. Yet here they are, patrolling for moving violations, that’s the issue.
 
So?

They're Gonna Give Somebody A Speeding Ticket By Saying:YOU WERE GOING XXX MPH With No RADAR & No Proof?

I Like To See How Many Times In Court That'd Hold Up!

Now I Could See A Vehicle Passing A DWR Truck Like He Was Stopped & The DWR Officer Kicks It Up And Catches Up & If He's Talented Enough He Could Use His Phone Cam For Evidence!

But Again?

We've Stooped So Low As To Resort To This Rather Than Taking Care Of GAME & FISH?
 
Bux n Dux said:
I believe people are mostly upset that we have UHP, city and county cops to patrol traffic violations. DWR is for the wildlife. The fact they are actually putting in time and resources to patrol things we already have tax dollars paying for, when they could be out doing what their actual job, is what get people mad. You hear all the time their resources and man power is already stretched very thin. Yet here they are, patrolling for moving violations, that’s the issue.
Click to expand...

I don’t disagree, but if I were a betting man, this investigative piece is sensationalizing how much “patrolling” they are doing.

Someone GRAMA request how many speeding tickets have been written statewide by DWR officers. I’m guessing the number isn’t high.
 
Vanilla said:
I don’t disagree, but if I were a betting man, this investigative piece is sensationalizing how much “patrolling” they are doing.

Someone GRAMA request how many speeding tickets have been written statewide by DWR officers. I’m guessing the number isn’t high.
Click to expand...

So?

You're OK With Game Wardens Writing SPEEDING Tickets When They Could Be Up On The Hill Checking Hunters & Fishermen?
 
elkassassin said:
So?

You're OK With Game Wardens Writing SPEEDING Tickets When They Could Be Up On The Hill Checking Hunters & Fishermen?
Click to expand...

No, I do not want them doing that while they are supposed to be up on the mountain.

But I’ll try to make this very simple: If they are not on the mountain, which they don’t stay on the mountain 24/7 365, Bessy, and if they are driving down the road when they are NOT on the mountain, and see a violation I have zero heartburn if they address it.

Zero.

Like I said above, all these snowflakes need to quit blaming others and take a little accountability. If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
 
Vanilla said:
I don’t disagree, but if I were a betting man, this investigative piece is sensationalizing how much “patrolling” they are doing.

Someone GRAMA request how many speeding tickets have been written statewide by DWR officers. I’m guessing the number isn’t high.
Click to expand...

Is the city, county and uhp funded almost entirely by license fees and pitman? Their finding is tied specifically to a mission, not random policing.


DWR should never be in town, unless it's a wildlife issue. We have a pretty serious poaching problem that isn't fixed on I-15. We have dudes constantly criticizing "counts". We are told we have to have the likes of $fw because we don't have DWR manpower. None of that is solved by running traffic enforcement.

I agree, it's a boss problem. Same bosses that cover for WLH, now are involved in this.
 
Well Niller!

I Guess This Is What Bothers Me!

We All See Drivers Wandering All Over The Roadways,Swerving,Up & Down On Speed & Reckless As All Living HELL!

It Isn't Hard To Figure Out What They're Doing!

They Are F'N Off On Their Phones!

TEXTING & ETC!

Do The Cops Not See This BULLSSHHITT?

I See It Every Day!

If The DNR/DWR Was Clamping Down On This It Wouldn't Bother Me As Much As Shining Their Badges For A SPEEDING Ticket Wrote!

But Here's The F'N Deal:

What Are Most People Gonna Do On A Speeding Ticket?

Ya,They're Gonna Pay It Rather Than Fight It Which = Quick Easy Money For The State!

A While Back We Had A Basinite That Woulda Loved To Have A DWR Officer Try & Pull Him Over In One Of Their Silver Trucks!

A UHP Trooper Or Two Tried But Found Out Real Quick The PUNK-ASS Kid Wasn't Afraid To Break The 150+ MPH Barrier!

I Think They Finally Got Him But It Wasn't By Pulling Him Over!











Vanilla said:
No, I do not want them doing that while they are supposed to be up on the mountain.

But I’ll try to make this very simple: If they are not on the mountain, which they don’t stay on the mountain 24/7 365, Bessy, and if they are driving down the road when they are NOT on the mountain, and see a violation I have zero heartburn if they address it.

Zero.

Like I said above, all these snowflakes need to quit blaming others and take a little accountability. If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
Click to expand...
 
elkassassin said:
But Here's The F'N Deal:

What Are Most People Gonna Do On A Speeding Ticket?

Ya,They're Gonna Pay It Rather Than Fight It Which = Quick Easy Money For The State!
Click to expand...

Quick question:

I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?

Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
 
Answer My Other Question!

Vanilla said:
Quick question:

I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?

Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Click to expand...
 
90?

JUDAS!

Head South Out Of Town From The Wasatch On A Friday Night & You Won't Be Competing At 90!

Vanilla said:
Quick question:

I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?

Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Click to expand...
 
You Can Bet your Sweet Ass It's Wasted Somewhere!

Vanilla said:
Quick question:

I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?

Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Click to expand...
 
Vanilla said:
Quick question:

I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?

Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Click to expand...

Is the DWR officer using salary, vehicle, etc provided via license fees and excise taxes from hunting/fishing to pull you over? If so, the ticket money should go to DWR.

Now if we are going to get rid of conservation tags and special interest groups and replace that money with DWR traffic tickets, I'm all for it.

Otherwise, the DWR needs to do the job WE pay it to do. There isn't a reason for DWR to be on I-15 in Payson. Plenty of dirt roads and mountain roads for them to be on.

It's one thing if they get called out for backup in Sterling or Henefer where they might be close, it's another for them to be actively searching
 
So?

Niller Gets His 130.00 Fine From A UDWR Officer!

You Know He Ain't Paying It!

He Goes To Court!

Yanks His OIL License Out & Shows It To The Judge & Tells The Judge He's A GREAT SUPPORTER Of The DWR!

The Judge Says:

CASE DISMISSED!




Vanilla said:
Quick question:

I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?

Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Click to expand...
 
Hey Niller!

With Your SMARTS I Want You To Get Us Some Numbers Please?

Find Out How Many Speeding Tickets The DWR Has Wrote VERSUS F'N Off On Their Phone Tickets?
 
Wasn't there a discussion recently about DWR officers being re-orged into the larger law enforcement group in the state? I don't remember the details, but I wonder if this has anything to do with it.
 
hossblur said:
Otherwise, the DWR needs to do the job WE pay it to do. There isn't a reason for DWR to be on I-15 in Payson. Plenty of dirt roads and mountain roads for them to be on.
Click to expand...


Hossy, you’re starting to sound irrational.

So now DWR officers can’t even use the freeway to get places? They can only use dirt roads?

Plenty of travel on I-15 to get around their assigned areas more efficiently.
 
So we are getting upset and hot and bothered about 1 speeding ticket per week statewide by all DWR officers combined?

1 ticket between every officer combined per week!

Goodness ladies. You need better hobbies.
 
Vanilla said:
Hossy, you’re starting to sound irrational.

So now DWR officers can’t even use the freeway to get places? They can only use dirt roads?

Plenty of travel on I-15 to get around their assigned areas more efficiently.
Click to expand...

Come on now. When they have a daily quota, we know why they are patrolling I-15.

But no. It's not irrational. The state, city, and county don't pay their salary and equipment. There's nothing in the Pitman language for city road patrol.

If you watched the vid, you saw the stats, this isn't some random occurrence.
 
Vanilla said:
So we are getting upset and hot and bothered about 1 speeding ticket per week statewide by all DWR officers combined?

1 ticket between every officer combined per week!

Goodness ladies. You need better hobbies.
Click to expand...

1 citation every 23 hours quota.

Supposedly quotas are illegal
 
hossblur said:
If you watched the vid, you saw the stats, this isn't some random occurrence.
Click to expand...

The stats are posted above. 1 speeding ticket across the entire state a week. Combined. How many officers statewide? All of them combined across the entire state wrote ONE speeding ticket per week.

You’ve got to come with better than that Hossy! The stats made you all look like a bunch of babies. Some here are just that, but you’re better than that Hoss.

I’ll reiterate, if you don’t want a citation, don’t break the law. Pretty simple. Or people can whine like babies. Either way.
 
hossblur said:
1 citation every 23 hours quota.

Supposedly quotas are illegal
Click to expand...

Nope, this is where words matter.

Documenting a violation of the law does not require a citation.

And yes, quotas are prohibited by the legislature and that is the dumbest most disingenuous thing by the legislature ever. If they don’t want officers writing citations, decriminalize the behavior. That’s the legislature’s job to make the laws, it’s the executive’s to enforce it. Legislature can make anything they want illegal, or not. Once they do, it’s out of their hands. (If we care about the constitution, at least.)
 
And They Could Only Come Up With 5 F'N Handheld Device Violations Huh?

I'll Show You More Than That In One Hour On Any Given Day You Wanna Go For A Ride!

WAFJ!

Vanilla said:
The stats are posted above. 1 speeding ticket across the entire state a week. Combined. How many officers statewide? All of them combined across the entire state wrote ONE speeding ticket per week.

You’ve got to come with better than that Hossy! The stats made you all look like a bunch of babies. Some here are just that, but you’re better than that Hoss.

I’ll reiterate, if you don’t want a citation, don’t break the law. Pretty simple. Or people can whine like babies. Either way.
Click to expand...
 
Now you're being disingenuous.

The Utah Division of Wildlife Resources (UDWR) mission statement is to serve Utah's people as the state's wildlife's guardian and trustee. The UDWR is part of the Utah Department of Natural Resources and is headquartered in Salt Lake City. The UDWR's additional responsibilities include managing and protecting the state's wildlife, as well as hunting and fishing opportunities.


Show me where traffic violations are covered in their own mission statement
 
I don’t think UDWR law enforcement officers should be intentionally patrolling freeways and it doesn’t sound like that is the case. However, there is way too much reckless and aggressive driving on our freeways. I don’t like the idea of law enforcement officers ignoring flagrant violations, just for bureaucratic reasons, if they are authorized and qualified to pull people over, write citations, and possibly make or assist in making arrests especially when it is a matter of public safety. That doesn’t hold water for me. Likewise, I would expect county sheriffs or deputies to intervene if they come across any obvious poaching activity. Just my opinions.
 
Vanilla said:
Why? The DWR conservation officers do not work for the Wildlife Board or the RACs. Why would the DNR care what those two groups have to say over anyone else?



I do know! “Close to the line” is not a violation.

I know this news story gets people fired up, and that is the whole reason they are doing it. A presidential election isn’t enough good news bites for them, apparently. So here is the deal, coming from someone that has no authority to speak on behalf of anyone and I have no inside knowledge about what is happening with the DNR directive, but I do know a thing or two about this world and will spit some truth for you all.

DWR conservation officers are POST certified with the exact same statewide law enforcement jurisdiction as any other police officer in the state. If they observe a violation of the law, why does anyone think they can’t stop you? The law doesn’t agree with you if you are of that belief. While traffic enforcement isn’t a part of their direct duties, it’s absolutely in their prerogative to make a lawful stop for any violation of the law anywhere in the state of Utah.

Next, it appears they are doing this because they were told to do so by their superiors. The vast majority of us answer to a boss, and when our bosses say your job is now to do this, we do it. If we have an issue with the practice, we shouldn’t harp on the officers, but take it up the chain to those that mandated they do certain things.

Honestly, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If I felt like DWR officers were camped out on I-15 running radar all shift, that would bug me, however, it appears they are just being told that when out and about traveling between areas, if you see something, do something about it. I’ve got no issue with that. This isn’t illegal. It’s not a violation of policy. It’s within their law enforcement powers.

If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
Click to expand...
I would like to ask them why they ate not out patrolling fishing areas or wildlife areas. Maybe that's what they need to do help our deer herds come back. Maybe there is so much poaching going in, killing deer, that they are on a decline. 🤷‍♂️😁
I'd just like to know why they are working I-15 and not wildlife areas.
 
So again, why would you ask the Wildlife Board those questions?

These people don’t work for the Wildlife Board. If you want to ask the board that, you should also go to your city council and ask them too. But go to the Board and ask them, I guess.
 
hossblur said:
Now you're being disingenuous.

The Utah Division of Wildlife Resources (UDWR) mission statement is to serve Utah's people as the state's wildlife's guardian and trustee. The UDWR is part of the Utah Department of Natural Resources and is headquartered in Salt Lake City. The UDWR's additional responsibilities include managing and protecting the state's wildlife, as well as hunting and fishing opportunities.


Show me where traffic violations are covered in their own mission statement
Click to expand...

1 collective speeding ticket across the entire state each week. ONE!!! This is what all the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth is about. ONE flippin speeding ticket a week across the entire state of Utah.

Like I said, people around here need better hobbies.
 
If they had a quota for making money, don’t you think it would be a bit higher than 1 citation a day. Speeding citations can be written on any roadway, not just the interstate. Lots of fish and game cases are made by stopping vehicles in the early morning hours on backroads or coming out of the hills for traffic violations. It’s clear some of you just don’t like the DWR and that’s your call, but the numbers nilla showed don’t show a quotas driven enforcement plan or a serious deviation from their mission. .
 
elkassassin said:
And They Could Only Come Up With 5 F'N Handheld Device Violations Huh?

I'll Show You More Than That In One Hour On Any Given Day You Wanna Go For A Ride!

WAFJ!
Click to expand...

The handheld wireless device statutes are toothless. Go to your legislator and ask him to make Utah a hands free only state and you’ll see that law get enforced. The way it is written now it is nearly impossible to prove. Not impossible, but nearly impossible.

We should go 100% hands free and then let cops enforce it. I’m on board! I’d love to see it.
 
lostinOregon said:
If they had a quota for making money, don’t you think it would be a bit higher than 1 citation a day. Speeding citations can be written on any roadway, not just the interstate. Lots of fish and game cases are made by stopping vehicles in the early morning hours on backroads or coming out of the hills for traffic violations. It’s clear some of you just don’t like the DWR and that’s your call, but the numbers nilla showed don’t show a quotas driven enforcement plan or a serious deviation from their mission. .
Click to expand...

And the DWR isn’t getting the money! That’s why I asked Bessy to explain how fines and fees are split up before he spouts off about making easy money.

I happen to know how justice court fines and fees are split up. So I always laugh when people try to sell me that narrative.

Oh well. We’ve got a bunch of Nancies around here that are in their feelings over ONE speeding ticket across the entire state per week. Not even one by each officer each week, but one between them all together. ONE!!!!! If someone wants to be offended by that, there is nothing you can do that will make them not offended.
 
Vanilla said:
1 collective speeding ticket across the entire state each week. ONE!!! This is what all the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth is about. ONE flippin speeding ticket a week across the entire state of Utah.

Like I said, people around here need better hobbies.
Click to expand...



If you really need a number? It’s a lot easier to go out and work the highway than it is to go up on the mountain,” said a former officer.


According to DWR statistics, traffic violations are on pace to more than double from 2021 to 2024.

Some officers now say their colleagues are pulling over vehicles on the freeway or documenting trash on the side of the road to inflate their numbers.



"1speeding ticket" isn't all they are doing.
And,

DWR Chief Wyatt Bubak said the agency is understaffed, which means each wildlife officer is currently tasked with policing more than 2,000 square miles.



Do we have DWR officers riding the highway citing for broken tail lights or documenting garbage on the side of the road. Meanwhile we have over 100 cases of poaching a month that get caught. Imagine what doesn't while DWR is ticketing expired stickers.


Where I hunt 2 dudes patrol Fairview to Salina. Practically impossible to do if they spent their entire day on the mtn. Spending anytime in 89 looking for garbage is not protecting wildlife.



It is a boss problem. The DWR has a serious boss problem, this just adds to it
 
We can agree that the directive is probably misguided.

However, you are going to get mocked if you stick to this “what a waste of resources” line when they are doing ONE speeding ticket each week across the entire state. You are correct that they are doing other things, so let’s include them too. 47 other non-speeding violations (according to this masterful investigative piece) over the last year, so now we are talking about a whopping TWO!!! Oh my goodness. DWR officer spent a collective 30 minutes across the entire state each week documenting a non-wildlife law violation!

Quit being a bessy, Hossy! This is such a nothingburger.
 

Similar threads

C
$150 NR tickets for violating Wyoming Wilderness rule (12 tickets in 10 years)
2
Replies
162
Views
6k
jm77
jm77
BIGOLMULEY
2024 Utah bear “Moe”
Replies
36
Views
957
Silentstalker
Silentstalker
gr8fuldoug
For Sale GPO Optics Sale
Replies
0
Views
197
gr8fuldoug
gr8fuldoug

Click-a-Pic ... Details & Bigger Photos

Member Gallery Photos and Videos!

1103202134a.jpg
7253D7D3-4132-41B7-827F-AA088393023B.jpeg
897ED863-2952-4482-8ABC-6FA5B43A5CA5.jpeg
1591720926638.png
FB_IMG_1639847126641.jpg
FB_IMG_1639847058966.jpg
2019-09-16 13.32.33.jpg
IMG_8790 Copy.jpg
0C0702BE-FADF-493C-BD39-F8825B75B359.jpeg
Joe Herrero's 13A buck 2022.jpg
IMG_6374.jpeg
Jimmy Herrero (L) and Joe Herrero 2022 in 13A.jpg
Back
Top Bottom