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No one in their right mind would turn the limited draw units into OTC.Although I still support totally limiting all elk licenses, I think this move would be a good first step. And if I lived in CO I would fight for OTC archery tags.
But I am not clear about one thing: Will all areas now be OTC for residents in archery season across the state, or will those areas that are already totally limited remain limited to both res and NR?
No $hit it’s my opinion."What should have happened" is your opinion. Opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and they all stink.
Dates are moving back to the previous 5-year structure.I agree that what would limit hunters more than anything is require hunters to burn pts if they hunt bull elk in Colo regardless of otc or limited bull elk. That alone would not only be a limiting factor if left otc and also prevent point creep.
I haven’t read options but charging hunters license fees upfront would also help pt creep. I sincerely hope rifle rut season dates are eliminated to help the ailing deer population.
Only the existing OTC units will remain as OTC.Although I still support totally limiting all elk licenses, I think this move would be a good first step. And if I lived in CO I would fight for OTC archery tags.
But I am not clear about one thing: Will all areas now be OTC for residents in archery season across the state, or will those areas that are already totally limited remain limited to both res and NR?
Well, what "should have happened" was Mandatory hunt reporting! Then and only then the state would know what units people are hunting, how many people are hunting and specific harvest results per unit. Any one disagree with that opinion?
Is that for sure? I saw 2 alternatives in this May 2024 memo (https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Commission/2024/May/Item.19BGSS_Policy_Draft.pdf ) - one of which kept later 3rd/4th season...but maybe that is outdated?Dates are moving back to the previous 5-year structure.
Where did you see that? Did I miss it in the above link? It came close to saying that but never saw it for sure. And I’m too lazy to read it againOnly the existing OTC units will remain as OTC.
I agree. Require it befor applying for the draw, same as New Mexico.I "believe" mandatory harvest reporting would be a good thing. Just my opinion of course!
Our deer herds are in the worst shape they've been in at least two decades but, now we're going to add a new early rifle season?Here is the the proposed structure
It has been discussed though out the past few BGSS Meetings. But you are correct it does not state that in the memo. We were fighting for them to add back some of the units that were lost over the past few years. They just finally made an official statement in this memo. Final vote is next Wednesday.Where did you see that? Did I miss it in the above link? It came close to saying that but never saw it for sure. And I’m too lazy to read it again![]()
Our deer herds are in the worst shape they've been in at least two decades but, now we're going to add a new early rifle season?
I would have thought it would be a week earlier than that. Those are still some pretty good rut dates for the 3rd season.First regular rifle elk season shall be the following dates:● 2025: 10/15 - 10/19● 2026: 10/14 - 10/18● 2027: 10/13 - 10/17● 2028: 10/11 - 10/15● 2029: 10/10 - 10/14
Second regular rifle deer and elk combined season shall be the following dates:● 2025: 10/25 - 11/02● 2026: 10/24 - 11/01● 2027: 10/23 - 10/31● 2028: 10/21 - 10/29● 2029: 10/20 - 10/28
Third regular rifle deer and elk combined season shall be the following dates:● 2025: 11/08 - 11/16● 2026: 11/07 - 11/15● 2027: 11/06 - 11/14● 2028: 11/04 - 11/12● 2029: 11/03 - 11/11
Fourth regular rifle deer and elk combined season shall be the following dates:● 2025: 11/19 - 11/23● 2026: 11/18 - 11/22● 2027: 11/17 - 11/21● 2028: 11/15 - 11/19● 2029: 11/14 - 11/18
Another rifle season?Continued rut dates and another rifle season. CPW is really doing its best to destroy our deer herd, aren't they?
For deer yes, they are talking about adding a first rifle deer season. They are doing their best to eliminate our deer herd for the sake of CWDAnother rifle season?
Add that season and with these continued late dates, that’ll be the last nail in the coffin for mature bucks. Crazy how fast the CPW can ruin its deer herd in such a short time.For deer yes, they are talking about adding a first rifle deer season. They are doing their best to eliminate our deer herd for the sake of CWD
Too bad the public comment is just a dog and pony show. CPW is going to do what they want to do. The public comment is nothing more than them checking a box on their required checklistPublic comment to CPW on the BGSS has been open since last year. Telling everyone on MM "what you want" and" how you would do it" is like complaining about politics and not voting.
In regards to that proposed new 5 year season structure:
-Ok so were gonna go ahead and push the seasons up to the former earlier dates
-but wait here we're gonna move the benchmark season (1st rifle) BACK to the 1st wednesday after the 8th (WTF?) and add those 2 more days back into 3rd season so its basically THE SAME THING AS BEFORE.
Ah yes, the old piss on my leg and tell me its raining trick. F'in genius.![]()
I think that's what the dept wanted, but commission really wanted 5 day breaks between 1st, 2nd and 2nd, 3rd. That pushed dates back. Originally it was 2 day breaks, they rejected that.So what's the deal? I thought it was reverting to the previous dates?
We have been fighting to keep OTC Archery for residents, it has been a battle but they switched their recommendation. Having attended most meetings there was little public input to season dates.Too bad the public comment is just a dog and pony show. CPW is going to do what they want to do. The public comment is nothing more than them checking a box on their required checklist
I am sure that I must have seen you at the meetings then. I don't recall many comments on season dates. Must have missed it. If the dates are that important to you, it's worth fighting for. or you can just choose to complain, and blame it on everyone else.I go to all the meetings down here and submit public comments. Let's be honest those comments both in person and submitted are largely ignored. CPW has their agenda. To say otherwise over one change is ridiculous
So question, do you think the hunting is getting better? Do you agree with the direction the CPW has been going the last few years especially with the governors new appointees? Do you even live in Colorado?Don't get too worked up by debbie downer Orion. He does nothing but complain, here, there, and everywhere. He's all over bowsite, but Its clear, he doesn't even bowhunt. He just likes to get on every forum and p1ss on your parade.
The division must laugh when he show's up. But.......... Sometimes the internet doesn't give you the full perspective on a person. Hopefully, our very own (no matter which forum you inhabit) debbie downer is much better in person, but I have my doubts.
Doesn't bother me. It's easy to complain, you have to do some work if you care enough make a change.Don't get too worked up by debbie downer Orion. He does nothing but complain, here, there, and everywhere. He's all over bowsite, but Its clear, he doesn't even bowhunt. He just likes to get on every forum and p1ss on your parade.
The division must laugh when he show's up. But.......... Sometimes the internet doesn't give you the full perspective on a person. Hopefully, our very own (no matter which forum you inhabit) debbie downer is much better in person, but I have my doubts.
I don't rifle hunt, so I have no clue how those seasons are going and who, and what they affect. Forums are always a double edged sword as many complain more than they hunt. I'd say you fall into that category of "complaining" as I haven't read a single positive post from you, ever!So question, do you think the hunting is getting better? Do you agree with the direction the CPW has been going the last few years especially with the governors new appointees? Do you even live in Colorado?
Yeah, but back then DOW didn’t even have enough money to manage the wildlife. It’s a miracle enough survived to get things fixed.
It’s a tough job guarding cattle.Now that the CPW is 43 million $ in the black, they are doing such a better job. lol
I believe they’re still flush. With the TABOR restrictions to growing goobermint, it’s just a matter of time before CPW is in charge of homelessness.Someone told me last night that after the cpw started the motor vehicle registration state parks pass deal they added millions to their budget. Where is all the $ going if they aren’t doing better now than a few years back?
Well If you think hunting the rut is such a great Idea, I think you would love hunting montana....Well here's an unpopular take. I like hunting the rut, keep them coming. There are still good ones killed every year, and they will continue to be killed every year.
People were complaining about stuff when it was the 2015 to 2019 structure. In 20 years will be saying, "Man, do you remember when you used to be able to hunt the rut, how awesome would that be!"
I understand your point and it's valid. I'm just saying, there are states where they used to hunt the rut like Idaho and Utah. People were complaining. In many places the hunting has not improved when they took those hunts away. Now they're still complaining.Well If you think hunting the rut is such a great Idea, I think you would love hunting montana....
If Colorado keeps the hunt structure similar to the current one, the quality of deer will be equivalent to montana in about a decade or so. I don't hear any positivity about montana mule deer hunting from residents or non residents on public land.
$41.1 million cashed in for the Keep Colorado Wild Pass. Do they really need to keep selling unlimited non- resident elk tags with this source of revenue stream? I'll assume revenue will only increase.Someone told me last night that after the cpw started the motor vehicle registration state parks pass deal they added millions to their budget. Where is all the $ going if they aren’t doing better now than a few years back?
Hunting the rut is not the main problem, it is the number of tags alloted and the number of bucks being shot. They just need to better match the harvest with the resource. If the resource is cut in half because of winter, prederators, drought....and they cut harvest by 25% instead of 50% then the age class goes down. Surely hunting late hurts the age class when there are too many tags but the main issue is they are shooting too many deer. This is far from rocket science, harvest less deer by giving out less tags or move the tags to dates where harvest is lower.Well If you think hunting the rut is such a great Idea, I think you would love hunting montana....
If Colorado keeps the hunt structure similar to the current one, the quality of deer will be equivalent to montana in about a decade or so. I don't hear any positivity about montana mule deer hunting from residents or non residents on public land.
The meeting was this morning, anyone have any news how it went? I planned to watch it but got stuck in a meeting.
Are tags OTC were you live?I have been watching it all morning.
Lot of crybabies who are upset that the OTC elk licenses might be taken away because they feel they won't be able to draw tags.... Which is an ABSOLUTLEY ridiculous statement. If a resident isn't drawing a tag, then it is obvious that they are trying to draw a highly desirable tag. There is no shortage of good tags for residents to get. Especially after going to 75/25.
I hope they vote for full limited.
Yes.Are tags OTC were you live?
I bet you would fight to keep them!Yes.
The next step is to go full draw for NR rifle. No reason to cap residents.I suspect that they will start out pretty liberal with limited NR archery numbers. But it’s a start on limiting pressure. Because NRs with have to pick an area and not have the option to move
Seems like the next baby step could be OTC with a cap for residents. That way pressure could be controlled
Agree 100%The next step is to go full draw for NR rifle. No reason to cap residents.
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