Wolf release map.

Dam shame , MY cousin used to own a outfitting business near Yellowstone , ask him what happened to all the elk he used to have in his hunt area , he would tell ya between the wolves and Grizz they knocked the population down to record low animals . Same will happen to Colorado. Bad news for the elk and the hunters.
 
fullthrottle said:
What a joke! Hasn't the elk herd around eagle/vail been on an unexplainable slide for years, issues with calf recruitment? Wolves should do that some good...When's the grizzlies coming?
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Yep! Funny how they're not showing anything being released on the eastern slope. Why not the hills right outside of Boulder? Why not Estes park or Rocky mtn national park? Fuggin Commiefornia Libtards!!
 
It’s a draft, but obviously they are coming. It would be terrible if the gps information got in the wrong hands :mad:
 
Sweet! So exciting for Colorado! Hopefully it’s successful and there’s a season shortly after reintroduction!

Exciting world we live in!
 
SS! said:
Sweet! So exciting for Colorado! Hopefully it’s successful and there’s a season shortly after reintroduction!

Exciting world we live in!
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From what i understand there is nothing to indicate there will be a wolf hunting season in colorado.

Am i missing something or are you making that up?
 
Interesting statement

“ Releases will occur on state or private lands. The plan does not currently contemplate releases on Federal lands because CPW does not have the staffing or financial resources to undertake the required National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) analysis prior to any federal land management agency authorizing releases on federal lands”
 
txhunter58 said:
Interesting statement

“ Releases will occur on state or private lands. The plan does not currently contemplate releases on Federal lands because CPW does not have the staffing or financial resources to undertake the required National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) analysis prior to any federal land management agency authorizing releases on federal lands”
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Good catch. Is this some slight of hand to make an effort to delist moot? I don’t fully understand the intercourse of the agencies involved.

I thought CPW had a giant surplus? I’m to believe this is the first silly project we couldn’t afford :rolleyes:
 
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txhunter58 said:
Interesting statement

“ Releases will occur on state or private lands. The plan does not currently contemplate releases on Federal lands because CPW does not have the staffing or financial resources to undertake the required National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) analysis prior to any federal land management agency authorizing releases on federal lands”
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Sooo, if they take a step onto BLM or national forest they’re fair game right? The first release area is my stomping grounds. The elk herds had a drastic downturn several years ago and is just now starting to come back in numbers. Why these morons would choose this area is beyond me !
 
Seems like they just picked the center of the western slope to release

After all the study and discussion, they said, hmm ? let’s release them on the center of the state as far from borders as possible. And slightly south because there are already wolves in North Colorado.
 
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I also think it’s interesting that the exact area of RMNP is pretty green (good release zone), but gets worse and worse in circles around it. BECAUSE OF PEOPLE. That pisses me off.
 
txhunter58 said:
Interesting statement

“ Releases will occur on state or private lands. The plan does not currently contemplate releases on Federal lands because CPW does not have the staffing or financial resources to undertake the required National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) analysis prior to any federal land management agency authorizing releases on federal lands”
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Confirmed, NEPA is not needed for release on USFS lands. Same thing with the deserts released there and the Rocky Mountain goats in the la sals
 
Gadjet said:
Sooo, if they take a step onto BLM or national forest they’re fair game right? The first release area is my stomping grounds. The elk herds had a drastic downturn several years ago and is just now starting to come back in numbers. Why these morons would choose this area is beyond me !
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Probably picked the areas with the highest liberal support possible, along with the money that is in the Roaring Fork and Gunnison valleys with Aspen and Crested Butte. But sure let’s dump them in the areas where the elk herds are struggling. I’ll be the first to tell you the elk herds are flat struggling the Frying Pan, Maroon Bells and West Elks, and the Eagles Nest/Gore range. And just forget about the moose herds they’ll be gone quick. Sure glad i spent the last 18 years building points to hunt 54….
 
this is pretty painful... big bucks will be gone within 10 years, probably before that as they are already on the slide with the later seasons and tag number increases in the name of squashing CWD. The deer and elk numbers will diminish. How is CPW going to make any money off the OTC bull tags??!! the damn hikers/wolf watchers DO NOT CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY TO CPW!!! They can't look far enough into the crystal ball to see that?! i will probably be watching from afar but it will be interesting to follow.

i wish they could dump the woofs in RMNP. It would be perfect since there is no hunting of the deer and elk there... no private lands to have to compensate livestock owners... the Yellowstone advertisement that persuaded all the woof lovers (it was some video that showed "when wolves were reintroduced, limiting the elk numbers and the damage they did to the bushes in riparian areas, some bird came back to record numbers..." ) was a parallel IN A NATIONAL PARK. why couldn't they keep that parallel going? Cannot believe how shortsighted this is .... Not that i have much faith in the intelligence of buruaecracy/CPW but why the hell was this put in voters' hands? impossible to reel back now. Goodbye Mule deer.
 
HIcountryman said:
this is pretty painful... big bucks will be gone within 10 years, probably before that as they are already on the slide with the later seasons and tag number increases in the name of squashing CWD. The deer and elk numbers will diminish. How is CPW going to make any money off the OTC bull tags??!! the damn hikers/wolf watchers DO NOT CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY TO CPW!!! They can't look far enough into the crystal ball to see that?! i will probably be watching from afar but it will be interesting to follow.

i wish they could dump the woofs in RMNP. It would be perfect since there is no hunting of the deer and elk there... no private lands to have to compensate livestock owners... the Yellowstone advertisement that persuaded all the woof lovers (it was some video that showed "when wolves were reintroduced, limiting the elk numbers and the damage they did to the bushes in riparian areas, some bird came back to record numbers..." ) was a parallel IN A NATIONAL PARK. why couldn't they keep that parallel going? Cannot believe how shortsighted this is .... Not that i have much faith in the intelligence of buruaecracy/CPW but why the hell was this put in voters' hands? impossible to reel back now. Goodbye Mule deer.
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It was the voters who approved wolf introduction, not something that CPW decided to do. The proposal voted on also read, “no introduction east of the Continental divide”. I voted no.
 
Those who insinuate that do-it-yourself-regardless-of-the-law killing of wolves would have any significant effect on wolf numbers after these booster releases happen, are basically kidding themselves. We already know what happened in ID, WY, MT....until real, state-sponsored hunting & trapping seasons got started, the number of wolves spiraled out of control. By then it was too late for the once-booming Moose populations, and elk had been severely impacted, esp in the more remote areas.
 
Can You Explain Why The Wolves Haven't Taken Over Here in DRATville?

We've got a Few!

We've had a Few Forever!

They've Never Expanded Much in Numbers!

There's been a Few Shot & Turned In!

There's Been a Few Trapped & Turned In!

I Guess You're Sayin When They Dump A Bunch In One Pile They'll Expand?

sticksender said:
Those who insinuate that do-it-yourself-regardless-of-the-law killing of wolves would have any significant effect on wolf numbers after these booster releases happen, are basically kidding themselves. We already know what happened in ID, WY, MT....until real, state-sponsored hunting & trapping seasons got started, the number of wolves spiraled out of control. By then it was too late for the once-booming Moose populations, and elk had been severely impacted, esp in the more remote areas.
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elkassassin said:
Can You Explain Why The Wolves Haven't Taken Over Here in DRATville?

We've got a Few!

We've had a Few Forever!

They've Never Expanded Much in Numbers!

There's been a Few Shot & Turned In!

There's Been a Few Trapped & Turned In!

I Guess You're Sayin When They Dump A Bunch In One Pile They'll Expand?
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Because Utah has significant expanses of desert that doesn't accommodate large apex predators. Just like southern Idaho and Eastern Montana. Utah is unique in having scattered islands of quality habitat, once they get there you're screwed. They're just not quite there yet. A few don't matter enough to get excited about, a few packs will wreck house.
 
Bluehair said:
Good catch. Is this some slight of hand to make an effort to delist moot? I don’t fully understand the intercourse of the agencies involved.

I thought CPW had a giant surplus? I’m to believe this is the first silly project we couldn’t afford :rolleyes:
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Blue they are government, great way for them to come around and ask for more… haha
 
HIcountryman said:
this is pretty painful... big bucks will be gone within 10 years, probably before that as they are already on the slide with the later seasons and tag number increases in the name of squashing CWD. The deer and elk numbers will diminish. How is CPW going to make any money off the OTC bull tags??!! the damn hikers/wolf watchers DO NOT CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY TO CPW!!! They can't look far enough into the crystal ball to see that?! i will probably be watching from afar but it will be interesting to follow.

i wish they could dump the woofs in RMNP. It would be perfect since there is no hunting of the deer and elk there... no private lands to have to compensate livestock owners... the Yellowstone advertisement that persuaded all the woof lovers (it was some video that showed "when wolves were reintroduced, limiting the elk numbers and the damage they did to the bushes in riparian areas, some bird came back to record numbers..." ) was a parallel IN A NATIONAL PARK. why couldn't they keep that parallel going? Cannot believe how shortsighted this is .... Not that i have much faith in the intelligence of buruaecracy/CPW but why the hell was this put in voters' hands? impossible to reel back now. Goodbye Mule deer.
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I agree this reintroduction is criminal, but it doesn’t matter where they put them. They will go where they want and eat what they want.
 
tracker12 said:
When can we start buying points for the first wolf hunt?
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The introducers will block any type of hunt from happening for years and years probably ever. They tie stuff up with law suits and liberal frontrange judges, heck they tried to outlaw cat hunting in Co last year, via some BS legislation introduced by a bunch of old cat ladies from jeffco and Boulder… that’s why I personally have such a big problem with it, they will hit management goals and exceed them and we won’t be able to keep anything in check. I hope I am wrong but I fear I’m not
 
Why don't we beat them at their own game and file a federal lawsuit citing the potential impacts to Threatened and Engangered species in Colorado?

Threatened and Endangered List

COMMON NAME​

SCIENTIFIC NAME​

STATUS*​

AMPHIBIANS​

Boreal ToadBufo boreas boreasSE
Couch's SpadefootScaphiopus couchiiSC
Great Plains Narrowmouth ToadGastrophryne olivaceaSC
Northern Cricket FrogAcris crepitansSC
Northern Leopard FrogRana pipiensSC
Plains Leopard FrogRana blairiSC
Wood FrogRana sylvaticaSC

BIRDS​

American Peregrine FalconFalco peregrinus anatumSC
Bald EagleHaliaeetus leucocephalusSC
Burrowing OwlAthene cuniculariaST
Columbian Sharp-Tailed GrouseTympanuchus phasianellus columbianusSC
Ferruginous HawkButeo regalisSC
Greater Sage GrouseCentrocercus urophasianusSC
Greater Sandhill CraneGrus canadensis tabidaSC
Gunnison Sage-GrouseCentrocercus minimusFT, SC
Least TernSterna antillarumSE
Lesser Prairie-ChickenTympanuchus pallidicinctusST
Long-Billed CurlewNumenius americanusSC
Mexican Spotted OwlStrix occidentalis lucidaFT, ST
Mountain PloverCharadrius montanusSC
Plains Sharp-Tailed GrouseTympanuchus phasianellus jamesiiSE
Piping PloverCharadrius melodus circumcinctusFT, ST
Southwestern Willow FlycatcherEmpidonax traillii extimusFE, SE
Western Snowy PloverCharadrius alexandrinusSC
Western Yellow-Billed CuckooCoccyzus americanusSC, FT
Whooping CraneGrus americana

MAMMALS​

Black-Footed FerretMustela nigripesFE, SE
Black-Tailed Prairie DogCynomys ludovicianusSC
Botta's Pocket GopherThomomy bottae rubidusSC
Gray WolfCanis lupusSE, FE
Grizzly BearUrsus arctosFT, SE
Kit FoxVulpes macrotisSE
LynxLynx canadensisFT, SE
Northern Pocket GopherThomomys talpoides macrotisSC
Preble's Meadow Jumping MouseZapus hudsonius prebleiFT, ST
River OtterLontra canadensisST
Swift foxVulpes veloxSC
Townsend's Big-Eared BatCorynorhinus townsendii pallescensSC
WolverineGulo guloSE

REPTILES​

Triploid Checkered WhiptailCnemidophorus neotesselatusSC
Midget Faded RattlesnakeCrotalus viridis concolorSC
Longnose Leopard LizardGambelia wislizeniiSC
Yellow Mud TurtleKinosternon flavescensSC
Common King SnakeLampropeltis getulaSC
Texas Blind SnakeLeptotyphlops dulcisSC
Texas Horned LizardPhrynosoma cornutumSC
Roundtail Horned LizardPhrynosoma modestumSC
MassasaugaSistrurus catenatusSC
Common Garter SnakeThamnophis sirtalisSC
 
There should be a thorough evaluation to prove that introduction of wolves will not cause harm to these T&E species.
 
Homer said:
I see grey wolves on your list....will the new grey wolves threaten the existing grey wolves????...or join forces??
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It depends. Are you talking about Canadian Gray wolves or Mexican? I'd assume they will out-compete and kill Mexican wolves when they eventually migrate to Northern New Mexico. They will definitely kill the gray wolves that are already here if their pack territories begin to overlap.
 
My point is, have they really even thought about the impact on all of the other T&E species in Colorado? Shouldn't they specifically address it before moving forward?
 
Here's all the thought that CPW has given it:

Monitoring of wildlife communities (with an emphasis on state and federally listed species and species of concern) is needed in areas occupied by wolf populations to determine potential direct and indirect effects on species population trends, habitat conditions, and potential changes in predator communities. CPW will assess, on a case-by-case basis, effects on declining or vulnerable species should wolves expand to areas of the state occupied by these species. However, at this time it is not anticipated that there will be impacts on certain species of concern, including Canada lynx or sage grouse, as wolves are not known demonstrate extensive predation on grouse (Centrocercus spp.).
 
MrDoe you have some good points.

The best way to stop this may be to tie it up in court. Im surprised thats not happening already.

Also, after all these years of tiptoeing around the gunnison sage grouse now we are pumping wolves directly in sage grouse central. Doesnt seem thought out
 
Grouse Legs said:
MrDoe you have some good points.

The best way to stop this may be to tie it up in court. Im surprised thats not happening already.

Also, after all these years of tiptoeing around the gunnison sage grouse now we are pumping wolves directly in sage grouse central. Doesnt seem thought out
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LOL...it is thoroughly thought out to end hunting....damn the torpedos, full steam ahead...


Get It?
 
Grouse Legs said:
MrDoe you have some good points.

The best way to stop this may be to tie it up in court. Im surprised thats not happening already.

Also, after all these years of tiptoeing around the gunnison sage grouse now we are pumping wolves directly in sage grouse central. Doesnt seem thought out
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Guys remember wolves don’t eat anything but the sick and old and dying animals “wink wink” I’m sure they wouldn’t chow down on endangered species or grouse or anything else they can sink their teeth into… seriously this is a brilliant plan though. We need some pro hunting lawyers with a little extra time to file suit and tie it up for years till they can prove they won’t wipe out borreal toads above 8k feet! I like those little guys. Love the idea, we need to get creative and start playing to win with this stuff
 
Always remember the 3 monkeys Wise monkey Mizaru, covers his eyes, and sees no evil; Kikazaru covers his ears, and hears no evil; and Iwazaru covers his mouth, and speaks no evil. That covers any wolf ?
 
The outer edges of the release sites look to be within a 100 miles of Utah and New Mexico. Kinda sucks that they will soon be dealing with the consequences of this ridiculous decision also.
 
i agree, not one lawsuit from all these orgs we donate money to all in the name of habitat and species enhancement. Millions upon millions down the drain. Where are these groups? Elk foundation, Mule deer Foundation, SCI, pick one?



Yet a state can take comments, plan a season I.e grizzly bears in WY and it’s **** down by the courts before it even gets implemented? We hunters are a sad bunch as a group.
 
What's Utah's stance once these maggot dogs jump the border to the west? And the SUIT once they enter their lands because we know they will...
 
roadrunner said:
What's Utah's stance once these maggot dogs jump the border to the west? And the SUIT once they enter their lands because we know they will...
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I would suspect a few have been “seen” in Utah. I would also guess they didn’t return to where they came from.
 
elkassassin said:
Your Guess Is right!
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Bess might I suggest you load up a few extra hot rounds for those hybrid coyotes we'll be driving your ways. Semi auto preferred w/30rd mags. Perhaps we even coordinate a yote drive? Tell your friends. We'll buy the mountain dew and provide the brats!!!
 
Send Em!:D

tailchasers said:
Bess might I suggest you load up a few extra hot rounds for those hybrid coyotes we'll be driving your ways. Semi auto preferred w/30rd mags. Perhaps we even coordinate a yote drive? Tell your friends. We'll buy the mountain dew and provide the brats!!!
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Homer said:
LOL...it is thoroughly thought out to end hunting....damn the torpedos, full steam ahead...


Get It?
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Beyond the wolf and the hope it will end hunting, I agree with Homer. If that was not the intent to begin with, it certainly is part of the strategy today, and will they growth that concept in every direction, as time goes on.

Public land hunting is becoming more and more undesirable for all but those that just want an outing with family and friends and a hunting tag, “just in case” they see one.

In Utah people still buy an upland game tag, “just in case”. Deer and elk are not far behind.

Wolves will move the “just in case” hunting concept nicely.

With friends and family engaged in many aspects of the life style, and after listening to the discussions that go on, between the government, the sportsmen, and the landowners, I believe the future of big game hunting will continue to shift more and more to the private sector, owner- operators. I absolutely believe the big game agencies really wish it would all go that way as well. (TriState has a similar belief, I think.)

From my view of the big picture, not that my view is any better than anyone else’s, if I were back in my twenties or thirties, even my forties, I believe I would start immediately to develop a long term hunting strategy, for you and your children. This would involve, first a plan to hunt every year, but maybe hunting differently than you are now. Hunt economically, hunt close to home, start out with lower yearly expectations while building financial revenues that allow you, every four to six years buy private access, where higher expectations can be met. Depending on your goals and income, diligently setting $50, $100, $200, $500, $1000, etc per month in an interest barring saves account, for 4 to 6 years, (interest rates are going up) or with a reliable landowner or outfitter will give you a better than public land hunt, and more reliably than hoping to get lucky in a State draw raffle or other wise. I’m not suggesting you don’t apply for State draws every year, especially in States that allow you to draw without maximum points and are cheap to apply. You could still get lucky but expecting to draw these State draw tags on a regular bases is not going to happen, if you haven’t already be doing it for twenty plus years and that still becoming a long shot, not a reliable reality. Besides, the draw tags are all for a hunt on public lands (which are managed for young animals, in most units) and access to private is a huge additional expense, especially if you don’t have a nest egg already put away for the day you get lucky and draw a State tag.

With public land quantity and quality continuing to spiral downward, as it has for the last 40 years, there is very little reason to expect it will change in any significant way, especially when we add the wolf factor into the equation.

So, the bottom line, as I see it, wolves and whatever else might be coming down the road…… at least for as long as there are private properties to hunt, I would build a long term system to hunt private property. Just loading up the truck, buying a hunting tag and head out to hunt big game has changed and is going to continue to chance, more and more. If you are willing to recognize and adapt to the world as it is and to try to anticipate what it “will be”, big game hunting will still be available to you. If you don’t want to do that, I’m think golf or pickle ball might be a more satisfying alternative.

I’ve have always been a strong and committed supporter of public land multiple use. I’ve spent a good deal of time and personal resources meeting and working with government and the private sector, trying to improve and secure the concept of public lands. As I’ve listened to recent discussions, watching the wolf movement, the declining interest in State government Agencies regarding big game hunting animal populations, I’m seriously beginning to reconsider my commitment to the multiple use concept. Basically, from a sport hunting interest, I’m no longer sure hunting sportsmen would not actually have more to look forward to if public lands were owned by the private sector, where at the very least, some of the owners would build their businesses based on growing and hunting big game.

In a nut shell, my support for the multiple use concept is because of big game hunting. I’m not a livestock owner, hiker, back packet, a bird watcher, a hippy squatter, a atv/bicycle joy rider etc. If there is not sustainable big game on public lands, or so few, that I can hunt, I would rather see it generating taxes to go toward improve the municipal golf course and Senior Center.

I’m not looking to pick a fight with family or friends that benefit from multiple use, such as livestock owners, lumber harvesters, miners, or tree huggers, etc. these are personal opinions, as they effect my hunting lifestyle interests. We each have our rational for wanting and keep land public. My interest has and is being greatly diminished and I don’t see any reason to expect it to improve.

One guy’s opinion, your return on investments may vary.
 
2lumpy said:
Beyond the wolf and the hope it will end hunting, I agree with Homer. If that was not the intent to begin with, it certainly is part of the strategy today, and will they growth that concept in every direction, as time goes on.

Public land hunting is becoming more and more undesirable for all but those that just want an outing with family and friends and a hunting tag, “just in case” they see one.

In Utah people still buy an upland game tag, “just in case”. Deer and elk are not far behind.

Wolves will move the “just in case” hunting concept nicely.

With friends and family engaged in many aspects of the life style, and after listening to the discussions that go on, between the government, the sportsmen, and the landowners, I believe the future of big game hunting will continue to shift more and more to the private sector, owner- operators. I absolutely believe the big game agencies really wish it would all go that way as well. (TriState has a similar belief, I think.)

From my view of the big picture, not that my view is any better than anyone else’s, if I were back in my twenties or thirties, even my forties, I believe I would start immediately to develop a long term hunting strategy, for you and your children. This would involve, first a plan to hunt every year, but maybe hunting differently than you are now. Hunt economically, hunt close to home, start out with lower yearly expectations while building financial revenues that allow you, every four to six years buy private access, where higher expectations can be met. Depending on your goals and income, diligently setting $50, $100, $200, $500, $1000, etc per month in an interest barring saves account, for 4 to 6 years, (interest rates are going up) or with a reliable landowner or outfitter will give you a better than public land hunt, and more reliably than hoping to get lucky in a State draw raffle or other wise. I’m not suggesting you don’t apply for State draws every year, especially in States that allow you to draw without maximum points and are cheap to apply. You could still get lucky but expecting to draw these State draw tags on a regular bases is not going to happen, if you haven’t already be doing it for twenty plus years and that still becoming a long shot, not a reliable reality. Besides, the draw tags are all for a hunt on public lands (which are managed for young animals, in most units) and access to private is a huge additional expense, especially if you don’t have a nest egg already put away for the day you get lucky and draw a State tag.

With public land quantity and quality continuing to spiral downward, as it has for the last 40 years, there is very little reason to expect it will change in any significant way, especially when we add the wolf factor into the equation.

So, the bottom line, as I see it, wolves and whatever else might be coming down the road…… at least for as long as there are private properties to hunt, I would build a long term system to hunt private property. Just loading up the truck, buying a hunting tag and head out to hunt big game has changed and is going to continue to chance, more and more. If you are willing to recognize and adapt to the world as it is and to try to anticipate what it “will be”, big game hunting will still be available to you. If you don’t want to do that, I’m think golf or pickle ball might be a more satisfying alternative.

I’ve have always been a strong and committed supporter of public land multiple use. I’ve spent a good deal of time and personal resources meeting and working with government and the private sector, trying to improve and secure the concept of public lands. As I’ve listened to recent discussions, watching the wolf movement, the declining interest in State government Agencies regarding big game hunting animal populations, I’m seriously beginning to reconsider my commitment to the multiple use concept. Basically, from a sport hunting interest, I’m no longer sure hunting sportsmen would not actually have more to look forward to if public lands were owned by the private sector, where at the very least, some of the owners would build their businesses based on growing and hunting big game.

In a nut shell, my support for the multiple use concept is because of big game hunting. I’m not a livestock owner, hiker, back packet, a bird watcher, a hippy squatter, a atv/bicycle joy rider etc. If there is not sustainable big game on public lands, or so few, that I can hunt, I would rather see it generating taxes to go toward improve the municipal golf course and Senior Center.

I’m not looking to pick a fight with family or friends that benefit from multiple use, such as livestock owners, lumber harvesters, miners, or tree huggers, etc. these are personal opinions, as they effect my hunting lifestyle interests. We each have our rational for wanting and keep land public. My interest has and is being greatly diminished and I don’t see any reason to expect it to improve.

One guy’s opinion, your return on investments may vary.
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2lumpy said:
Beyond the wolf and the hope it will end hunting, I agree with Homer. If that was not the intent to begin with, it certainly is part of the strategy today, and will they growth that concept in every direction, as time goes on.

Public land hunting is becoming more and more undesirable for all but those that just want an outing with family and friends and a hunting tag, “just in case” they see one.

In Utah people still buy an upland game tag, “just in case”. Deer and elk are not far behind.

Wolves will move the “just in case” hunting concept nicely.

With friends and family engaged in many aspects of the life style, and after listening to the discussions that go on, between the government, the sportsmen, and the landowners, I believe the future of big game hunting will continue to shift more and more to the private sector, owner- operators. I absolutely believe the big game agencies really wish it would all go that way as well. (TriState has a similar belief, I think.)

From my view of the big picture, not that my view is any better than anyone else’s, if I were back in my twenties or thirties, even my forties, I believe I would start immediately to develop a long term hunting strategy, for you and your children. This would involve, first a plan to hunt every year, but maybe hunting differently than you are now. Hunt economically, hunt close to home, start out with lower yearly expectations while building financial revenues that allow you, every four to six years buy private access, where higher expectations can be met. Depending on your goals and income, diligently setting $50, $100, $200, $500, $1000, etc per month in an interest barring saves account, for 4 to 6 years, (interest rates are going up) or with a reliable landowner or outfitter will give you a better than public land hunt, and more reliably than hoping to get lucky in a State draw raffle or other wise. I’m not suggesting you don’t apply for State draws every year, especially in States that allow you to draw without maximum points and are cheap to apply. You could still get lucky but expecting to draw these State draw tags on a regular bases is not going to happen, if you haven’t already be doing it for twenty plus years and that still becoming a long shot, not a reliable reality. Besides, the draw tags are all for a hunt on public lands (which are managed for young animals, in most units) and access to private is a huge additional expense, especially if you don’t have a nest egg already put away for the day you get lucky and draw a State tag.

With public land quantity and quality continuing to spiral downward, as it has for the last 40 years, there is very little reason to expect it will change in any significant way, especially when we add the wolf factor into the equation.

So, the bottom line, as I see it, wolves and whatever else might be coming down the road…… at least for as long as there are private properties to hunt, I would build a long term system to hunt private property. Just loading up the truck, buying a hunting tag and head out to hunt big game has changed and is going to continue to chance, more and more. If you are willing to recognize and adapt to the world as it is and to try to anticipate what it “will be”, big game hunting will still be available to you. If you don’t want to do that, I’m think golf or pickle ball might be a more satisfying alternative.

I’ve have always been a strong and committed supporter of public land multiple use. I’ve spent a good deal of time and personal resources meeting and working with government and the private sector, trying to improve and secure the concept of public lands. As I’ve listened to recent discussions, watching the wolf movement, the declining interest in State government Agencies regarding big game hunting animal populations, I’m seriously beginning to reconsider my commitment to the multiple use concept. Basically, from a sport hunting interest, I’m no longer sure hunting sportsmen would not actually have more to look forward to if public lands were owned by the private sector, where at the very least, some of the owners would build their businesses based on growing and hunting big game.

In a nut shell, my support for the multiple use concept is because of big game hunting. I’m not a livestock owner, hiker, back packet, a bird watcher, a hippy squatter, a atv/bicycle joy rider etc. If there is not sustainable big game on public lands, or so few, that I can hunt, I would rather see it generating taxes to go toward improve the municipal golf course and Senior Center.

I’m not looking to pick a fight with family or friends that benefit from multiple use, such as livestock owners, lumber harvesters, miners, or tree huggers, etc. these are personal opinions, as they effect my hunting lifestyle interests. We each have our rational for wanting and keep land public. My interest has and is being greatly diminished and I don’t see any reason to expect it to improve.

One guy’s opinion, your return on investments may vary.
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Whoa bubba. Did that hurt?
 
2Lumpy, I am afraid you may be more right than most of us want to admit. The good thing for me is I am about to be too old to chase bulls and bucks in the high country The sad thing is my son and grandkids won’t be able to enjoy public land hunting and most likely won’t be able to afford to hunt private land bulls and bucks. I am about to start doing a lot more fishing!
 
Phantom Hunter said:
2Lumpy, I am afraid you may be more right than most of us want to admit. The good thing for me is I am about to be too old to chase bulls and bucks in the high country The sad thing is my son and grandkids won’t be able to enjoy public land hunting and most likely won’t be able to afford to hunt private land bulls and bucks. I am about to start doing a lot more fishing!
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I am already there PH, have been for about 5-6 years. I have children and grandchildren washed in the blood, so to speak. They are part of the conversation I’m referring to, trying to figure out how to keep their passion alive in the current and anticipated sport hunting environment.

I do bueve it will become a private land experience for the majority of hunters. Not sure what roll public land will play but my family are slowly but surely moving, more and more to private property hunting, in anticipation of what is coming down the road.

None of our family have any wealth, so plan and saving are a major part of their future hunting strategies.

It’s a matter of priorities, some folks travel to exotic places, some buy ocean worthy boats and troll the coastal lands, in all directions, some buy second homes in special places, some buy race cars or race horses…… to scratch their itch. It all comes with a price and personal planning.

No plan…………. wish you the best of luck.

It is not 1980 anymore.
 
coloradoman said:
www.yahoo.com

Here's where Colorado's reintroduced wolves are most likely to be released

Colorado wildlife officials haven't announced exactly where wolves will be released, but likely sites can be narrowed given release site parameters.
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I saw that too. Pisses me off. Just like in PA the damn city's votes this garbage in, when the people that it effects don't want them. Release them in the city's that voted they wanted them. Pretty easy. How long does the battery last in the radio collars?
 
coloradoman said:
www.yahoo.com

Colorado wildlife officials capture, collar 2 wolves in Jackson County's North Park area

One of the captured wolves was the Northern Colorado pack's breeding male, and the other is presumably one of pack's six pups.
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Saw this earlier today, then saw a guy comment about how he saw some in South Park this year too, but he was mistaken I’m sure it was just the rouge Saint Bernard’s…. My biggest issue with the whole thing is why are we wasting 24 million tax payer dollars when they are here already and also hunting must be part of the management strategy
 
The_Coloradoboy said:
RIP to the ground I’ve grown up, and spent my lifetime hunting that’s been passed down to me from dad and grandpa. Hate to see it go this way. Sad to truly see what’s happened to the west the last decade.
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This is nothing but bad news, I can't believe what has happened to this state. I feel bad for the ranchers, that graze on the forest, those cattle will be slaughtered.
 
Why do we think we always have to lose? We put so much effort into hunting, hiking and packing meat out for miles but when it comes to standing up for what we love we just give up. It's getting so hard to get a tags to hunt but where is our voice when is comes time to protecting what we love? I don't expect any hunt to be easy and I'm not going to quit fighting for what I love.
 

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