Vote in November to Ban Mountain Lion hunting!!

[diablo]

Has anyone seen any polling on this? Us rural west-slopers don’t really have a good sense of what the urban mob is doing. I bet it isn’t good.

I’m told the polling on the front range looks “encouraging.” Everyone I know here in sw CO is against it also.

 

[ColoradoBob]

Got my ballot in today's mail. I'll drop it off at the clerk's office on my way to work tomorrow.

 

[street]

Prop KK is equally shity

 

[AZGuy]

Prop KK is equally shity

I’ll pay the tax to keep our deer heard where it is, even as bad as it’s slipped.

 

[Bluehair]

Many of the editorial pages have come out in favor of the ban.

 

[diablo]

A local guy (with financial help from a number of us) put this one in the Durango Herald on Sunday.

 

[tailchasers]

There’s an article in the Durango Herald where some of our wildlife commissioners are encouraging a yes vote on proposition 127. It’s crazy how Polis and his husband have infiltrated and takin over the CPW with anti hunting people. Again these are some of our current wildlife commissioners wanting to ban lion/bobcat hunting- un f!ck!!g believable how Polis and his husband appoint these assholes who know nothing about wildlife management and are 100% against hunting !

Those commissioners should be impeached.

 

[HntHrdr]

I love you guy's enthusiasm......but CO is screwed....it'll pass 70-30

I wouldn’t be so sure… couple guys posted on Reddit which is a lefty hot bed I’d say it was 70/30 of comments saying they are voting no, I was completely blown away

 

[tailchasers]

I certainly hope you are right. The level of division this is adding to the over all existing metro vs rural Colorado is at a boiling point. Polis and Marlon are now being expressed as joint Governor's with rape meteo following. Sickening.

 

[jims]

Colorado wildlife commissioners divided on Proposition 127, which would ban mountain lion, lynx and bobcat hunting

A ballot measure that seeks to prohibit the hunting of mountain lions, bobcats, and lynx has created a divide among current and former members of the Colorado Parks and Wildlife

www.coloradopolitics.com

 

[jims]

Please read the following article about California wild sheep and mountain lions. Colorado will likely face the same scenario if this passes! You may want to pass this article along to those that are undecided whether to vote yes or no!

Below are the last couple paragraphs in this article and reflect exactly what is going on right now in Colorado!

"With this policy, California has in effect permitted an animal-rights agenda to override science-based conservation, which focuses on the health of populations and ecosystems, not the fate of individuals.

The lives of a small number of mountain lions are being saved at the cost of many Sierra bighorn, favoring an animal with wide distribution and a large population over one that—at least so far—has barely escaped extinction."

Commentary: Can the Sierra Nevada bighorn dodge extinction? It may mean reining in another wild animal

The high peaks of the southern and central Sierra Nevada are home to a unique and endangered animal, the Sierra Nevada bighorn sheep. John Muir called them "the bravest of all the Sierra mountaineers," and indeed they have weathered both ancient and modern climate extremes, human-introduced...

phys.org

 

[jims]

I know, you are getting sick of my posts! Here is one of the best videos that I've seen about proposition 127. If you have any relatives or buddies that are on the fence about this, be sure to have them watch it. It really explains things in great detail.

 

[Homer]

Is it really a felony to not harvest the meat of a lion or bobcat??

 

[coloradoman]

Is it really a felony to not harvest the meat of a lion or bobcat??

I don’t know about a felony but you are required to take the meat.

 

[Homer]

Well.....a healthy wolf population will fix things......according to John D. Wehausen

 

[Homer]

I don’t know about a felony but you are required to take the meat.

The posted video says it is....surprised me.

 

[jims]

Wastage of edible game meat is a class 5 felony in Colorado. That girl knows her stuff even though she mentioned she isn’t a hunter!

 

[diablo]

Wastage of edible game meat is a class 5 felony in Colorado. That girl knows her stuff even though she mentioned she isn’t a hunter!

I noticed several inaccuracies in the video but overall pretty good. There’s no legal requirement in CO to take the meat from furbearers or “other small game.”

 

[Homer]

Can someone explain to me how "trophy" hunting is already against the law......???....

 

[Bluehair]

Can someone explain to me how "trophy" hunting is already against the law......???....

Good question. It’s semantics to some degree.

The word “trophy” appears in the annotation part of the definition of Willful Destruction Of Wildlife in the Colorado Revised Statutes. I believe it says that it is willful destruction of wildlife if “….only the trophy parts are removed…..”.

I guess it morphed into the “trophy hunting ban” that is in every conversation now. Long-ass link below.

https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/teaserdocument/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=d471623b-7de4-462d-bf57-c1b25119a9a2&config=014FJAAyNGJkY2Y4Zi1mNjgyLTRkN2YtYmE4OS03NTYzNzYzOTg0OGEKAFBvZENhdGFsb2d592qv2Kywlf8caKqYROP5&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fstatutes-legislation%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A61P5-WXH1-DYDC-J0WS-00008-00&pddocid=urn%3AcontentItem%3A61P5-WXH1-DYDC-J0WS-00008-00&pdcontentcomponentid=234176&pdteaserkey=h1&pditab=allpods&ecomp=6s65kkk&earg=sr0&prid=e229787d-a136-4ea6-8dc2-f1ec23fad5c1

 

[jims]

Here is an article by the Boone and Crockett Club that explains the B&C Clubs position on trophies and trophy hunting. There is a long video at the bottom of the article that goes through the history of hunting and conservation in the United States.

From the B&C Club article referenced below:

Claims being made by anti-hunting activists often concentrate on the actions of a few unethical individuals to advance the misperception that trophy hunting in general is a “bad thing.” Their tactics include depicting trophy hunters as people with despicable motives who do not care about wildlife, claiming trophy hunters cause ecological harm to wildlife populations. At the same time they attempt to blur the line between hunting and poaching.

B&C Position Statement - Big Game Trophies and Trophy Hunting

Effective Date: December 3, 2016 Situational Overview There are broad misconceptions that exist amon

www.boone-crockett.org

 

[diablo]

Good question. It’s semantics to some degree.

Can someone explain to me how "trophy" hunting is already against the law......???....

Yes, it’s all semantics. Is “trophy hunting” a bad thing (as long as one is hunting legally and ethically)? Since when did trophy hunting necessarily involve wasting everything but the “trophy” parts? Many of us here on this forum are trophy hunters. Both sides are demonizing the term for their own purposes.

 

[jims]

As Bluehair mentioned above "trophy" is listed in the regulations link he posted above. Here is the entire sentence:

Willful destruction of wildlife
requires proof that a person removed the trophy portions of any wild animal and abandoned the carcass. People v. Gordon, 160 P.3d 284 (Colo. App. 2007).

I deleted my original post above and included a link to the B&C's position on trophies and trophy hunting. The B&C Club has an interesting twist on the controversy of hunting, trophy hunting, and wildlife conservation.

 

[diablo]

Shane Mahoney is a thoughtful and articulate speaker on the subject

 

[Sako76]

What kills more deer in Colorado - lions or NR hunters

At least we pay for the opportunity to shoot deer!

 

[Bluehair]

At least we pay for the opportunity to shoot deer!

I understand. My point was that there are people out there making the argument that there would be plenty of deer to go around if 30% of the tags didn’t go to NR’s.

Does anyone honestly believe the current percentages will hold when CPW finally decides to align their slaughter objectives with reality? The money argument doesn’t hold water anymore. Us hunters need a new rap.

 

[diablo]

Howl has been working hard on this. Here’s a link to their list of locations to pick up a yard sign. Got mine today.

https://www.howlforwildlife.org/prop127yardsigns

 

[montezumarchery]

Hey Blue, go get one of those yard signs so all 3 people that drive past your house in a day know how to vote on 127!

 

[1989Cohunter]

I noticed probably ten new no to 127 signs on my way to Aspen today.

 

[thicketmaster]

I wouldn’t be so sure… couple guys posted on Reddit which is a lefty hot bed I’d say it was 70/30 of comments saying they are voting no, I was completely blown away

I sure hope you are correct on this!!

 

[jims]

The sad part about all of this is the false press. When placed on public ballot the majority of people that live on the Front Range and have seen the trophy lion adds on tv are confused and believe hunting with dogs, electronic devices, and keeping heads and skins is a bad thing. They have no idea of the twisted realities and consequences. When the negative impacts are shared with these same people it likely changes their opinions.

I just hope enough public people get educated before voting! The more we share the dire consequences of 127 to our family and friends the better! Putting up signs may help but I think interactions will likely shift more votes.

 

[Bluehair]

Hey Blue, go get one of those yard signs so all 3 people that drive past your house in a day know how to vote on 127!

Those 3 people don’t give a dern what the law says

 

[diablo]

The more we share the dire consequences of 127 to our family and friends the better! Putting up signs may help but I think interactions will likely shift more votes.

Everything helps, but I’m afraid word-of-mouth alone isn’t gonna win this. There aren’t enough of us to talk individually to the majority of the (non-hunting) voters. I’m currently writing letters to the editors for publication. We should all be doing this as well.

 

[Bluehair]

Last I looked, the anti’s had outspent the hunters by around 2:1. It sucks, but whoever can buy the most political free speech usually wins. People like being told how to think.

 

[jims]

Former CPW Commissioners urge against lion hunting ban

With ballots being marked across the country, 24 former Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commissioners are urging voters to reject a measure seeking to ban mountain lion and bobcat hunting in the state. The former commissioners,...

www.thefencepost.com

 

[Danny_Ocean]

Commercial in Denver car treeded, dogs a blazing, hunter with pistol , cat falls in the river still alive dogs going nuts.

 

[HntHrdr]

Commercial in Denver car treeded, dogs a blazing, hunter with pistol , cat falls in the river still alive dogs going nuts.

It’s all video from the 70’s it looks like… these guys are the worst

 

[jims]

Unfortunately, it's that type of video that sticks in nonhunter's minds. Purely going off emotions.

Hopefully enough nonhunters have watched several of the pro hunter videos and read newspaper articles that key off of sound wildlife management principles, science, biology, and reality.

It's great that the word is getting out to educate the public. In past years this was not happening. My guess is that this has caught a lot more hunters attention and there are more hunters that originally sat on the sidelines that are stepping up and voting and spreading the word.

I am seeing quite a few "no on 127" postings in my neighborhood. I think it's important to share with family and friends because every bit helps. Family and friends are a likely bet to change their minds from the emotions they see on TV adds to common sense coming from those that they trust.

 

[LIK2HNT]

The stuff they showed in California to get a ban on hunting mtn lions was staged.

 

[jims]

Is the California ban videos still available somewhere? It would be good to know what they used there that got the public’s attention…and was possibly staged.

 

[tailchasers]

We are plum sick of seeing the ads from the antis. They are driving animosity due to the blatantly false info they are sharing. Wow is it sickening. It's like they truly want to fight! Liberals have to be the #1 instigators of battles.

 

[1989Cohunter]

We are plum sick of seeing the ads from the antis. They are driving animosity due to the blatantly false info they are sharing. Wow is it sickening. It's like they truly want to fight! Liberals have to be the #1 instigators of battles.

It’s a ******* joke. I went to Denver yesterday and still didn’t see much support for this crap.

 

[jims]

My guess is that the public that is interested in making a wise choice in controversial matters are willing to accept facts over lies. As the public picks up on false advertising and lies they will be turned off by the antis.

It is powerful when past commissioners and others that the public respect stand up for hunters and wise conservation practices that have benefited wildlife for so many years.

 

[1989Cohunter]

I can say if I don’t know what I’m voting for i look into it. I hope that most people do.

 

[tailchasers]

If I don't know what I'm voting for, I vote NO or against the change. Tricky SOBs have learned to use that against us too. Just confuse people.

 

[diablo]

If I don't know what I'm voting for, I vote NO or against the change. Tricky SOBs have learned to use that against us too. Just confuse people.

How about NOT at voting for sh!t we (you) don’t understand.

 

[Bluehair]

How about NOT at voting for sh!t we (you) don’t understand.

There goes half or more of the electorate.

I thought the language on the ballot was a little circuitous. I can see how people who just blow thru their ballot without thinking could vote the wrong way on this one.

 

[elks96]

I sure hope everyone in CO is working hard to talk to every one and anyone they can about the 127 bill... I have seen so many people out right lie about the situation.

I just saw a person claim today that the Lion Hunt Should be banned because rich people pay $8,000 for a guaranteed kill. But when I pointed out that only about 20% of license holders are successful(80% never harvest a lion) in harvesting a lion they shut up in a hurry.

Then another claim is the only person with a PHD on the Commission is in favor... Oh and there is no regulation or limits on bobcats was another claim, it is going to be bad if people are not out telling the truth.

 

[Danny_Ocean]

Libville, I’d be really surprised if it doesn’t pass. Until this nonsense is pulled off of ballots, we are on borrowed time. Pick a topic win or lose they don’t care, they will try again.

 

[jims]

Is it possible for hunters and others to unite and collect enough signatures to start a proposal of their own that would eliminate game and fish management decision making conducted by public ballot?