Trail Cams Gone

[elkassassin]

Keep Harpin on the SmokePoles!

But Remember!

Your So Called Archery Equipment Will Take a Hit As Well!

Your Long Range Rifles Take The Same Hit!

As Somebody Said above:

Careful With What You Wish For!

You Could Ban Every MUZZ Hunt There Is & You'd See 0 Change in the Deer Herd!

But Of Course!

The StickFlippers & The Long Rangers Would Like It!

It's Gonna Be:

All Gave Some!

Not!

Some Gave All!

We Are All Guilty Of Some of the Technology!

END OF F'N STORY!

 

[hossblur]

Maybe I need to take hoss for a ride the deer have not left they winter there unless the snow gets to deep.

So your assumption is because you didn't witness personally a buck banging a doe, it didn't happen.


I don't need a ride, GPS collar studies are more exact.



My town herd has 26 does/ fawns.

One 4x5.

Old boy needs some Viagra, and KY, but I'm betting, he tapped every hot does.


HOT DOE.

You guys have some idea that just because it's Nov, its Berry White time.

Science is showing that there is a recoup period, after fawns, before a doe "cycles up".

A buck sporting wood, doesn't make that happen. Nutrients, replenishing hormones from fawns, DOES.

AGAIN, FOR THE 999th time. YOU WANT DOES, BEING FERTILE IN NOV, so they drop fawns WHEN ALL THE OTHER DOES DO. That means TOO MANY FAWNS for predators to eat, at one time. That fawn drop, COINCIDES WITH SNOW RETREAT AND GREEN UP. Meaning the does, are eating the new, green, nutrient dense plants as the snow retreats. THEY Can FOLLOW THAT GREEN WAVE up the MTN.


Climate change, drought, means NO GREEN WAVE. So does don't replenish their nutrients, don't balance their hormones, come into "heat" later, or not at all.

If it's later, the predator has time to digest the first fawn drops, and is ready for later ones. Also means undersized, underweight fawns going into winter, meaning they DIE.

Again, notice that while damn book I just wrote, DID NOT MENTION BUCKS.

Bucks contribution to herds is roughly 1 min, in a 365 day year.

This **** is biology 101.

Do you guys have wife's?

Do you pay attention to sports? Women gymnasts, generally don't ovulate while in heavy training, calorie deficit. Same as women track athletes, etc.


This ISNT HARD. It's no big secret.


I did invitro for kids. My contribution was a cup, and a playboy. The rest was all female.

The rest of you, didn't need the cup.


It's ok. Your ego will survive hearing YOU are only about your sperm.

You can climax, and never come back, and that baby will come.

You climaxing without the female, is nothing.

Sorry you didn't get biology, or sex Ed growing up

 

[elkassassin]

Hey Hossy?

Turn Me Loose on Alcatraz & I'll Show You A Pile Of Dead Yotes that'd Blow Your Mind!

Don't Tell Me Them Bastards Ain't Eating Deer!

Coyotes Are Smart Enough To Look at QUACKERS & Deer & Make a Quick Decision!

 

[Bigwiffy]

So your assumption is because you didn't witness personally a buck banging a doe, it didn't happen.


I don't need a ride, GPS collar studies are more exact.



My town herd has 26 does/ fawns.

One 4x5.

Old boy needs some Viagra, and KY, but I'm betting, he tapped every hot does.


HOT DOE.

You guys have some idea that just because it's Nov, its Berry White time.

Science is showing that there is a recoup period, after fawns, before a doe "cycles up".

A buck sporting wood, doesn't make that happen. Nutrients, replenishing hormones from fawns, DOES.

AGAIN, FOR THE 999th time. YOU WANT DOES, BEING FERTILE IN NOV, so they drop fawns WHEN ALL THE OTHER DOES DO. That means TOO MANY FAWNS for predators to eat, at one time. That fawn drop, COINCIDES WITH SNOW RETREAT AND GREEN UP. Meaning the does, are eating the new, green, nutrient dense plants as the snow retreats. THEY Can FOLLOW THAT GREEN WAVE up the MTN.


Climate change, drought, means NO GREEN WAVE. So does don't replenish their nutrients, don't balance their hormones, come into "heat" later, or not at all.

If it's later, the predator has time to digest the first fawn drops, and is ready for later ones. Also means undersized, underweight fawns going into winter, meaning they DIE.

Again, notice that while damn book I just wrote, DID NOT MENTION BUCKS.

Bucks contribution to herds is roughly 1 min, in a 365 day year.

This **** is biology 101.

Do you guys have wife's?

Do you pay attention to sports? Women gymnasts, generally don't ovulate while in heavy training, calorie deficit. Same as women track athletes, etc.


This ISNT HARD. It's no big secret.


I did invitro for kids. My contribution was a cup, and a playboy. The rest was all female.

The rest of you, didn't need the cup.


It's ok. Your ego will survive hearing YOU are only about your sperm.

You can climax, and never come back, and that baby will come.

You climaxing without the female, is nothing.

Sorry you didn't get biology, or sex Ed growing up

Can you rephrase that last part, who is Ed?

 

[elkassassin]

JUDAS Hossy!

I'm Re-Naming You!

DR_GYNO!

So your assumption is because you didn't witness personally a buck banging a doe, it didn't happen.


I don't need a ride, GPS collar studies are more exact.



My town herd has 26 does/ fawns.

One 4x5.

Old boy needs some Viagra, and KY, but I'm betting, he tapped every hot does.


HOT DOE.

You guys have some idea that just because it's Nov, its Berry White time.

Science is showing that there is a recoup period, after fawns, before a doe "cycles up".

A buck sporting wood, doesn't make that happen. Nutrients, replenishing hormones from fawns, DOES.

AGAIN, FOR THE 999th time. YOU WANT DOES, BEING FERTILE IN NOV, so they drop fawns WHEN ALL THE OTHER DOES DO. That means TOO MANY FAWNS for predators to eat, at one time. That fawn drop, COINCIDES WITH SNOW RETREAT AND GREEN UP. Meaning the does, are eating the new, green, nutrient dense plants as the snow retreats. THEY Can FOLLOW THAT GREEN WAVE up the MTN.


Climate change, drought, means NO GREEN WAVE. So does don't replenish their nutrients, don't balance their hormones, come into "heat" later, or not at all.

If it's later, the predator has time to digest the first fawn drops, and is ready for later ones. Also means undersized, underweight fawns going into winter, meaning they DIE.

Again, notice that while damn book I just wrote, DID NOT MENTION BUCKS.

Bucks contribution to herds is roughly 1 min, in a 365 day year.

This **** is biology 101.

Do you guys have wife's?

Do you pay attention to sports? Women gymnasts, generally don't ovulate while in heavy training, calorie deficit. Same as women track athletes, etc.


This ISNT HARD. It's no big secret.


I did invitro for kids. My contribution was a cup, and a playboy. The rest was all female.

The rest of you, didn't need the cup.


It's ok. Your ego will survive hearing YOU are only about your sperm.

You can climax, and never come back, and that baby will come.

You climaxing without the female, is nothing.

Sorry you didn't get biology, or sex Ed growing up

 

[tailchasers]

I won't read this entire thread but hunters brought these changes upon themselves.

 

[elkhuntn247]

 

[elkassassin]

You Need To EDIT That Pic!

Go Ahead!

Add The Re curves!

Add The Long Rangers!

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[southernutahhunter]

You have one buck to 25 doe in your town. Sounds about right that is what I saw five groups of about 6 doe and one buck in with a 6th group. Poor old boy has never left the 6th group that I can tell but like I said maybe he does make his rounds. Seems like a better method would be to add a few more bucks just to make sure.
By the way 1 buck to 25 doe is 4 bucks per hundred. I would say that is a pretty terrible deer herd

 

[elkhuntn247]

You Need To EDIT That Pic!

Go Ahead!

Add The Re curves!

Add The Long Rangers!

Those are the next two doors ?

 

[elkassassin]

Or More Like a Real F'D Up Deer Herd!

You have one buck to 25 doe in your town. Sounds about right that is what I saw five groups of about 6 doe and one buck in with a 6th group. Poor old boy has never left the 6th group that I can tell but like I said maybe he does make his rounds. Seems like a better method would be to add a few more bucks just to make sure.
By the way 1 buck to 25 doe is 4 bucks per hundred. I would say that is a pretty terrible deer herd

 

[elkassassin]

Yup!

And Then We'll Hear Some Real BAWLING!

Those are the next two doors ?

 

[hossblur]

You have one buck to 25 doe in your town. Sounds about right that is what I saw five groups of about 6 doe and one buck in with a 6th group. Poor old boy has never left the 6th group that I can tell but like I said maybe he does make his rounds. Seems like a better method would be to add a few more bucks just to make sure.
By the way 1 buck to 25 doe is 4 bucks per hundred. I would say that is a pretty terrible deer herd

He bred them all by himself

 

[hossblur]

Hey Hossy?

Turn Me Loose on Alcatraz & I'll Show You A Pile Of Dead Yotes that'd Blow Your Mind!

Don't Tell Me Them Bastards Ain't Eating Deer!

Coyotes Are Smart Enough To Look at QUACKERS & Deer & Make a Quick Decision!

Kill them all. Herd will be 400-450 until forever.

But killing them, just means the ***** that lives, has more pups.

 

[slamdunk]

For or against, I'm sure we can all agree in some way that today's deer hunting is a mess because of the trends.

How many early season trail cam pics do we see starting in July on social media by Outfitters, Die Hard Trophy Hunters, then the average Wanna Be, just to gather followers, likes, gain popularity, to draw attention to their businesses and themselves.

We see numerous velvet pics followed by stories and then kill pics of how tough it was staying on these animals all summer with countless hours, days, eyes and money invested.

It has turned into nothing but a contest of who has the biggest animals, most clients, biggest trucks, best advanced tools of the trade and the coolest logo on their flat brimmed hat.

If you think it's still about "hunting", you couldn't be more wrong.
It's about stroking ego's and killing for money, fame, likes and follows.
It really is disgusting.

So who is to blame?
Every single one of us are for letting it get this far.
Even those who do not participate in any of this nonsense, you are still to blame for watching and allowing it to happen.

We can sit and fight, argue and banter each other till we run out of things to say, but at the end of the day, we all want the same thing......better hunting, better opportunities.

We've got to find some type of middle ground, make compromises and sacrifices to get in a better place for the sport we all love and share.
It's not simple, it's not without give and take, but it can be done with unity and understanding the end goal.

 

[Bigwiffy]

For or against, I'm sure we can all agree in some way that today's deer hunting is a mess because of the trends.

How many early season trail cam pics do we see starting in July on social media by Outfitters, Die Hard Trophy Hunters, then the average Wanna Be, just to gather followers, likes, gain popularity, to draw attention to their businesses and themselves.

We see numerous velvet pics followed by stories and then kill pics of how tough it was staying on these animals all summer with countless hours, days, eyes and money invested.

It has turned into nothing but a contest of who has the biggest animals, most clients, biggest trucks, best advanced tools of the trade and the coolest logo on their flat brimmed hat.

If you think it's still about "hunting", you couldn't be more wrong.
It's about stroking ego's and killing for money, fame, likes and follows.
It really is disgusting.

So who is to blame?
Every single one of us are for letting it get this far.
Even those who do not participate in any of this nonsense, you are still to blame for watching and allowing it to happen.

We can sit and fight, argue and banter each other till we run out of things to say, but at the end of the day, we all want the same thing......better hunting, better opportunities.

We've got to find some type of middle ground, make compromises and sacrifices to get in a better place for the sport we all love and share.
It's not simple, it's not without give and take, but it can be done with unity and understanding the end goal.

Rudy Rudy Rudy!!!

I'll get on the train when you give up your Nightforce scoped Lapua

 

[elkassassin]

That Be True!

But I'd Have Fun for a While!

Kill them all. Herd will be 400-450 until forever.

But killing them, just means the ***** that lives, has more pups.

 

[slamdunk]

Rudy Rudy Rudy!!!

I'll get on the train when you give up your Nightforce scoped Lapua

I already did.....it was way overkill for how I hunt, but it still goes to the range thumping steel gongs at a mile ?

 

[elkassassin]

Add This BS in to the Equation:

New data shows uptick in big game animals illegally killed in Utah during 2021

Data released by Utah's leading wildlife agency signals an uptick of big game and trophy animals killed in 2021, but wildlife officials say that doesn't necessarily mean there's a spike.

www.ksl.com

 

[elkassassin]

Even If We Had Some Good Bucks Make Post Season!

The Low-Life Bastards Would Poach Them!

 

[elkassassin]

If They Know of 1153?

How Many Do We Not Know About?

 

[slamdunk]

Add This BS in to the Equation:

New data shows uptick in big game animals illegally killed in Utah during 2021

Data released by Utah's leading wildlife agency signals an uptick of big game and trophy animals killed in 2021, but wildlife officials say that doesn't necessarily mean there's a spike.

www.ksl.com

1,153 that they are aware of.

Just like highway patrol bragging about a few drug busts on the freeway, when they miss hundreds if not thousands of "mules" driving right by them every single day going completely undetected.

 

[Elkslayer1125]

For or against, I'm sure we can all agree in some way that today's deer hunting is a mess because of the trends.

How many early season trail cam pics do we see starting in July on social media by Outfitters, Die Hard Trophy Hunters, then the average Wanna Be, just to gather followers, likes, gain popularity, to draw attention to their businesses and themselves.

We see numerous velvet pics followed by stories and then kill pics of how tough it was staying on these animals all summer with countless hours, days, eyes and money invested.

It has turned into nothing but a contest of who has the biggest animals, most clients, biggest trucks, best advanced tools of the trade and the coolest logo on their flat brimmed hat.

If you think it's still about "hunting", you couldn't be more wrong.
It's about stroking ego's and killing for money, fame, likes and follows.
It really is disgusting.

So who is to blame?
Every single one of us are for letting it get this far.
Even those who do not participate in any of this nonsense, you are still to blame for watching and allowing it to happen.

We can sit and fight, argue and banter each other till we run out of things to say, but at the end of the day, we all want the same thing......better hunting, better opportunities.

We've got to find some type of middle ground, make compromises and sacrifices to get in a better place for the sport we all love and share.
It's not simple, it's not without give and take, but it can be done with unity and understanding the end goal.

Best post on this thread.

 

[MuleyKiller]

-Do trail cameras help us kill more deer ? Some.
-Can DWR enforce their new stupid change? No!
-What will change? Nothing!
-Will People take down their camera's when they are supposed to? Maybe some, but most will not.
-Will hunters start shooting cameras when they see them up after the deadline. Absolutely!
-What good is this great thing that the DWR has done. It will not affect any harvest rates enough to help the Devasted Utah deer situation!

In summary,
Once again, the DWR doesn't seem to see it the way 90% of the Sportsmans/hunters see it. Minor changes that won't do anything vs MAJOR changes that are absolutely necessary to even begin to make a difference.

I can't wait to see all of those wardens out enforcing the great new deal!

 

[slamdunk]

-Do trail cameras help us kill more deer ? Some.
-Can DWR enforce their new stupid change? No!
-What will change? Nothing!
-Will People take down their camera's when they are supposed to? Maybe some, but most will not.
-Will hunters start shooting cameras when they see them up after the deadline. Absolutely!
-What good is this great thing that the DWR has done. It will not affect any harvest rates enough to help the Devasted Utah deer situation!

In summary,
Once again, the DWR doesn't seem to see it the way 90% of the Sportsmans/hunters see it. Minor changes that won't do anything vs MAJOR changes that are absolutely necessary to even begin to make a difference.

I can't wait to see all of those wardens out enforcing the great new deal!

Ugh......again.....this change has NOTHING to do with rebounding deer numbers!

 

[shootem]

Ugh......again.....this change has NOTHING to do with rebounding deer numbers!

You’re right, it’s all about politics.

 

[slamdunk]

Wanna know why it's absolutely absurd to think banning trail cameras will help bring deer numbers back up?

Because it is!!

That's not the objective here......jeeezust!?

 

[elkassassin]

Get The Other 49+ Changes Put in to Place!

Then Give Them Plenty of Time To Take Effect!

You Ain't Fixin This Deer Herd In One Year!

Deer Herd = FUBAR!

 

[hossblur]

-Do trail cameras help us kill more deer ? Some.
-Can DWR enforce their new stupid change? No!
-What will change? Nothing!
-Will People take down their camera's when they are supposed to? Maybe some, but most will not.
-Will hunters start shooting cameras when they see them up after the deadline. Absolutely!
-What good is this great thing that the DWR has done. It will not affect any harvest rates enough to help the Devasted Utah deer situation!

In summary,
Once again, the DWR doesn't seem to see it the way 90% of the Sportsmans/hunters see it. Minor changes that won't do anything vs MAJOR changes that are absolutely necessary to even begin to make a difference.

I can't wait to see all of those wardens out enforcing the great new deal!

In summary. You haven't got a clue what your talking about, so you posted it in bullet points.

The trail cam thing wasn't about "herd growing", although it might help make it harder for poachers to troll IG pics for targets, which might help.

Further, there was AN ACTUAL SURVEY done showing that hunters wanted trail cams addressed.

The DWR won't have to spend a second on enforcement with me, because I won't be trying to get over on the reg. Nor will the vast majority of hunters. The handful that will, deserve whatever happens to their cams.

And YES I will be grabbing cams come Aug 1. It's litter, and I like to leave the forest cleaner than when I got there.


Now. There is a pile of research going on with YOUR LICENSE MONEY in herd dynamics, fawn mortality, habitat.

GO READ IT.

 

[slamdunk]

For those who haven't seen it, this is the latest
most recent study just compiled a month ago.

 

[hossblur]

For those who haven't seen it, this is the latest
most recent study just compiled a month ago.
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What do you suppose the red means? Accident? Kind of an odd description.

 

[slamdunk]

What do you suppose the red means? Accident? Kind of an odd description.

I will research that and get back....

 

[Bluehair]

Malnutrition? Is that winter-kill?

Why isn’t the purple and green aligned…….never mind, you guys got this.

 

[elkassassin]

The RoadKill Percentages are Way Off!

Still Blaming Lions in The Book Cliffs for Most of it,BULLSSHITT!

And PISS POOR MANAGEMENT Not Even on the Scale!

The Lions are Not The Main Cause on The South Slope!

 

[slamdunk]

Let's not forget this study obviously isn't showing fawn mortality, abortion from malnutrition, stress or otherwise which is the key to recruitment.
This is a collaring study on live animals.

 

[notdonhunting]

It would be awesome to ban guided hunts and spotters in the lower 48.What ever happened to the do it on your own mentality.I would be ok with Outfitters being used to get hunters into remote areas as in a drop camp situation and helping packing out,And only that in an outfitting business.There are a few ethical hunters that do not have the resources to raise and care for there own stock.Close down most of the dirt roads and walk in or ride! That would help the wildlife.

What about the hunters that can not hike back into most of the areas that the roads would be closed in, I guess they don't matter.
My question to you is what is the difference between the hunters wanting to close roads inorder to save deer and elk and the tree huggers that want to close roads to save the beautiful wildflowers?
Be careful for what you wish for.

 

[notdonhunting]

For those who haven't seen it, this is the latest
most recent study just compiled a month ago.
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Upper managment must be color blind.

 

[bucks]

Road kill is way off!!

All you have to do is drive from Vernal to Heber city on any given day and you will count 5-10 fatalities x 365??

Notdon
As far as hunters that are limited on there ability to access back country, Hire a outfitter to get you in and out,This is a drop camp hunt, not a Guided hunt,Most of these outfitters are reasonably priced,

 

[Vanilla]

You Need To EDIT That Pic!

Go Ahead!

Add The Re curves!

Add The Long Rangers!

Nope, just muzzy hunters to be restricted. I talked to my source and asked why and he said “We want to pizz bessy off!”

Not very scientific, more of a social goal.

 

[hossblur]

Road kill is way off!!

All you have to do is drive from Vernal to Heber city on any given day and you will count 5-10 fatalities x 365??

Notdon
As far as hunters that are limited on there ability to access back country, Hire a outfitter to get you in and out,This is a drop camp hunt, not a Guided hunt,Most of these outfitters are reasonably priced,

In my hunting camp I have one liver transplant, 2 strokes, 1 cancer. 5 of whom are over 65.

I guess F them, that jeep is too disturbing, driving the very same roads they did as young men during the "golden age".

Youth is wasted on the young

 

[rubucky]

I’d like to share my thoughts on this. First off I support the ban, but I also don’t want this to be a wedge issue that divides us as hunters. We have enough outside influences already doing that. Also I don’t think anyone truly believes this law was intended to increase deer herds. I think that is a topic for a whole different discussion.
But I do think this is a good example of the laws catching up with technology. I think if 40 years ago the UDWR went to hunters and asked “would you support use of a new technology camera, which can be placed anywhere and everywhere, with no limit to the amount of cameras, even if it exceeds a 100. And these cameras can be placed on waterholes, seeps salt licks, trails, crossings, bedding areas and even wintering shed horn areas. Also these devices would have night vision, thermal imaging and real time photos with exact location coordinates. Plus there is no restriction on time. These can be placed before, after and during the hunting season”… In my opinion, I think the average hunter would have said no, especially the older veterans. But the cameras are out there and they’ve been in use and it’s now hard to put that genie back in the bottle. I also believe this is a start and we can probably expect more restrictions on technology.

 

[hossblur]

I’d like to share my thoughts on this. First off I support the ban, but I also don’t want this to be a wedge issue that divides us as hunters. We have enough outside influences already doing that. Also I don’t think anyone truly believes this law was intended to increase deer herds. I think that is a topic for a whole different discussion.
But I do think this is a good example of the laws catching up with technology. I think if 40 years ago the UDWR went to hunters and asked “would you support use of a new technology camera, which can be placed anywhere and everywhere, with no limit to the amount of cameras, even if it exceeds a 100. And these cameras can be placed on waterholes, seeps salt licks, trails, crossings, bedding areas and even wintering shed horn areas. Also these devices would have night vision, thermal imaging and real time photos with exact location coordinates. Plus there is no restriction on time. These can be placed before, after and during the hunting season”… In my opinion, I think the average hunter would have said no, especially the older veterans. But the cameras are out there and they’ve been in use and it’s now hard to put that genie back in the bottle. I also believe this is a start and we can probably expect more restrictions on technology.

???????????????

EXACTLY

 

[Zeke]

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Here's how I see what just happened, again, because sportsmen are independent and cannot/will not unite.
Now we have some butt-hurt hunting folks who will be pushing for more government intervention into our lives.

Zeke

 

[bucks]

Rrubucky
great comment.

 

[hossblur]

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Here's how I see what just happened, again, because sportsmen are independent and cannot/will not unite.
Now we have some butt-hurt hunting folks who will be pushing for more government intervention into our lives.

Zeke

First they told me I couldn't kill 5million bison a year.

Then they told me I couldn't hunt 24/7 365


Then they told me I'd have to buy a license


Finally they told me I'd have to follow bag limits.

I squealed all day about the end of hunting, and socialism, and looked pretty stupid.

 

[grizzly]

As soon as people hunt like they did in 1940 they can talk about having the same regulations we did in 1940.

The idea that only technology can change and that regulation regarding that technological shift is somehow unwarranted is asinine.

Things have changed and the laws preserving our wildlife have to change with them.

 

[Ultimag]

View attachment 64131
Baiting gone, cams gone.....what's next?
My guess is variable power scopes on muzzies

Variable power, scopes on all firearms, range finders, gps but
Hunters did this to themselves

 

[Ultimag]

I'm glad they did it, be a hunter, not a camera hunter, got out find the deer.

Exactly

 

[BillyBoB]

I’ve never been able to kill a deer with the use of trail cameras. It has helped me determine the quality of bucks in an area that I hang them in. I have always pulled my cameras before the hunting season starts. Even tho I don’t archery hunt.
I’ve never killed a buck long range with my muzzy. Although the variable scope has helped me not wound them. It’s helped me make more proficient shots. Yes my eyes are not what they use to be.
I have been putting together a gun capable of killing long range. Doesn’t mean I have the capability or want or need to shoot long range.
These camera “issues” that so many of you speak about, have never been witnessed by me in my GS unit(s) and I probably hike on average 50 miles per year in the spring and summer. I guess the LE and premium units are a different story.
What I’m eluding to I guess is that a lot of these regulations forth coming are still gonna effect me although I’ve never taken advantage of what they are trying to stop.
I want the hunt to still be in hunting and I know how to police myself on ethics. Maybe not enough people do that so the WB thinks they can create regulations in hopes to police the hunters who don’t police themselves.
You can’t regulate ethics or integrity which is what they are trying to do.
These are nothing but feel good laws that are gonna wound more animals than one can imagine and do more harm to the average Joe when outfitters will just put more men on the mountain to locate and sit on animals.
I guess I’d like to hear the WB take more accountability for the lack there of when it comes to our herds. I’d like to see more impactful actions on there behalf to get more accurate data when it comes to harvests reporting and changing their method to count animals. Even if that means more flights.
I’m hear you say that both hunters need to be better at policing themselves and the board needs to be more proactive than reactive.

 

[Ultimag]

The scope thing is coming.....

For all weapons, not just mz

 

[JPickett]

Perfect that’s what we needed, now I’m going after Idaho’s trail cameras. Thanks Utah

I could take or leave trail cameras. Frankly I dont use them for deer or elk anyway, just bear baits . But I’ve also never seen a big trail cam caused conflict in Idaho like there somehow seems to be in states like Arizona and now Utah. Could just be south of Idaho tard problem I guess?

 

[JPickett]

So when we going to see some screaming deals on trail cams in the classifieds? I could use one more cellular one

 

[shootem]

So when we going to see some screaming deals on trail cams in the classifieds? I could use one more cellular one

Probably not going to happen. Cams ain’t banned, and guys ain’t getting rid of them. Just have to follow the rules and abide by the season dates IF you plan to hunt where you put your cams.

 

[hossblur]

I’ve never been able to kill a deer with the use of trail cameras. It has helped me determine the quality of bucks in an area that I hang them in. I have always pulled my cameras before the hunting season starts. Even tho I don’t archery hunt.
I’ve never killed a buck long range with my muzzy. Although the variable scope has helped me not wound them. It’s helped me make more proficient shots. Yes my eyes are not what they use to be.
I have been putting together a gun capable of killing long range. Doesn’t mean I have the capability or want or need to shoot long range.
These camera “issues” that so many of you speak about, have never been witnessed by me in my GS unit(s) and I probably hike on average 50 miles per year in the spring and summer. I guess the LE and premium units are a different story.
What I’m eluding to I guess is that a lot of these regulations forth coming are still gonna effect me although I’ve never taken advantage of what they are trying to stop.
I want the hunt to still be in hunting and I know how to police myself on ethics. Maybe not enough people do that so the WB thinks they can create regulations in hopes to police the hunters who don’t police themselves.
You can’t regulate ethics or integrity which is what they are trying to do.
These are nothing but feel good laws that are gonna wound more animals than one can imagine and do more harm to the average Joe when outfitters will just put more men on the mountain to locate and sit on animals.
I guess I’d like to hear the WB take more accountability for the lack there of when it comes to our herds. I’d like to see more impactful actions on there behalf to get more accurate data when it comes to harvests reporting and changing their method to count animals. Even if that means more flights.
I’m hear you say that both hunters need to be better at policing themselves and the board needs to be more proactive than reactive.

That's not true. It was once considered ethical to use punt guns. To kill millions of bison, etc.

As to outfitters. They can only do what the market supports. Spotters cost a lot more than a cam. The "famous" guide that hunts the Boulder via "hundreds" of trail cams, ain't paying 100's of dudes to spot.

We all heard how baiting banwould only hurt the little guy. The results last year tell a different story.



But how exactly is the average Joe, "hurt"? In the big shlong contest? Maybe. In the IG Fame, possibly. But "hurt"? A bit of a stretch.

We are going to have to quickly decide if we want to be a fair chase state, or if we want to be Texas.

 

[BillyBoB]

So who’s gonna police me in the field to make sure I don’t take a “long range” shot? What is a “long range shot”?!
Wouldn’t the law in regard to muzzleloaders where you have to load both the round and powder down the barrel, eliminate the “long range muzzleloader”
How many animals you think are gonna be wounded?
The thing is….everyone has slightly different definition of what is considered fair chase. Am I one to argue when a hunter thinks archery hunting with anything besides a long bow isn’t considered fair chase? Am I one to argue someone who thinks someone who shoots over 300 yards isn’t fair chase or ethical? So is 299 yards not a long range shot but 301 yards is? Please help me answer these questions
Is 499 yards not considered long range but 501 yards is?
Are hand signals fair chase but a text message isn’t? Someone please give me all your definitions of what is good and bad so I know my boundaries ?

 

[elkassassin]

The Sky Has been the Limit!

Then All of a Sudden!

When The Hunting Becomes Poor Enough!

There's a Panic!

It Ain't Gonna Fix itself!

And Neither are We!

So who’s gonna police me in the field to make sure I don’t take a “long range” shot? What is a “long range shot”?!
Wouldn’t the law in regard to muzzleloaders where you have to load both the round and powder down the barrel, eliminate the “long range muzzleloader”
How many animals you think are gonna be wounded?
The thing is….everyone has slightly different definition of what is considered fair chase. Am I one to argue when a hunter thinks archery hunting with anything besides a long bow isn’t considered fair chase? Am I one to argue someone who thinks someone who shoots over 300 yards isn’t fair chase or ethical? So is 299 yards not a long range shot but 301 yards is? Please help me answer these questions
Is 499 yards not considered long range but 501 yards is?
Are hand signals fair chase but a text message isn’t? Someone please give me all your definitions of what is good and bad so I know my boundaries ?

 

[Vanilla]

Here's how I see what just happened, again, because sportsmen are independent and cannot/will not unite.

Zeke

I’m happy to unite, so long as you unite with what I want.

Isn’t that what it REALLY means any time someone complains we are not united as hunters? “Quit going against what I want, unite with my way…it’s the only way we can survive!”

This trail cam issue splits hunters pretty evenly down the middle. Which side has to give in for us to unite?

 

[BrowningRage]

View attachment 64131
Baiting gone, cams gone.....what's next?
My guess is variable power scopes on muzzies ?‍

Let's hope so...

 

[MuleyKiller]

In summary. You haven't got a clue what your talking about, so you posted it in bullet points.

The trail cam thing wasn't about "herd growing", although it might help make it harder for poachers to troll IG pics for targets, which might help.

Further, there was AN ACTUAL SURVEY done showing that hunters wanted trail cams addressed.

The DWR won't have to spend a second on enforcement with me, because I won't be trying to get over on the reg. Nor will the vast majority of hunters. The handful that will, deserve whatever happens to their cams.

And YES I will be grabbing cams come Aug 1. It's litter, and I like to leave the forest cleaner than when I got there.


Now. There is a pile of research going on with YOUR LICENSE MONEY in herd dynamics, fawn mortality, habitat.

GO READ IT.

-All bullet points are accurate.
-I'm glad you will be removing your camera's, because nobody else will.
-The DWR knew all along they won't/ can't enforce this extremely lame attempt to try and solve a problem.
-You should be on the WB , sounds about right.

 

[hossblur]

So who’s gonna police me in the field to make sure I don’t take a “long range” shot? What is a “long range shot”?!
Wouldn’t the law in regard to muzzleloaders where you have to load both the round and powder down the barrel, eliminate the “long range muzzleloader”
How many animals you think are gonna be wounded?
The thing is….everyone has slightly different definition of what is considered fair chase. Am I one to argue when a hunter thinks archery hunting with anything besides a long bow isn’t considered fair chase? Am I one to argue someone who thinks someone who shoots over 300 yards isn’t fair chase or ethical? So is 299 yards not a long range shot but 301 yards is? Please help me answer these questions
Is 499 yards not considered long range but 501 yards is?
Are hand signals fair chase but a text message isn’t? Someone please give me all your definitions of what is good and bad so I know my boundaries ?

We could start with ACTUALLY BEING IN THE FIELD

 

[hossblur]

-All bullet points are accurate.
-I'm glad you will be removing your camera's, because nobody else will.
-The DWR knew all along they won't/ can't enforce this extremely lame attempt to try and solve a problem.
-You should be on the WB , sounds about right.

Dwr doesn't have to enforce it. The cameras will get removed without any effort from them

 

[schoolhousegrizz]

-All bullet points are accurate.
-I'm glad you will be removing your camera's, because nobody else will.
-The DWR knew all along they won't/ can't enforce this extremely lame attempt to try and solve a problem.
-You should be on the WB , sounds about right.

There's no way all the big outfitters are going to run cams still. It's not worth it for them to get busted. They were the main problem with cams in the first place. Now hunters are required to be in the field. I don't see how this is not a win. Good job wildlife board!

 

[Hawkeye]

I strongly support the change and welcome additional restrictions on hunting technology.

Hawkeye

By way of disclaimer, I own trail cameras, high powered scopes, rangfinders, a modern muzzleloader, a slider archery sight, etc. These changes will impact how I hunt but I willing to give something up to try to give the animals more of a chance.

 

[Elkslayer2015]

I strongly support the change and welcome additional restrictions on hunting technology.

Hawkeye

By way of disclaimer, I own trail cameras, high powered scopes, rangfinders, a modern muzzleloader, a slider archery sight, etc. These changes will impact how I hunt but I willing to give something up to try to give the animals more of a chance.

Exactly me too….

 

[Gator]

Any top of the line ones for sale, Let me know South Dakota don't have a ban on them. I might be looking for a few.

 

[hossblur]

I strongly support the change and welcome additional restrictions on hunting technology.

Hawkeye

By way of disclaimer, I own trail cameras, high powered scopes, rangfinders, a modern muzzleloader, a slider archery sight, etc. These changes will impact how I hunt but I willing to give something up to try to give the animals more of a chance.

Thought u were dead.

Been silent lately??

 

[elkassassin]

Hey Hawkeye?

You Talked any Sense in to Niller?

For GAWDS Sakes keep it Quiet!

But They Wanna Ban His Favorite Camo!

 

[Vanilla]

But They Wanna Ban His Favorite Camo!

Nope, just scopes on muzzleloaders. I heard “they” said after the meeting this was the sole reason our deer herds are struggling in Utah. It’s the one fix that’s going to save the day!

 

[Hawkeye]

Thought u were dead.

Been silent lately??

No, I’m alive and we’ll. I’ve just been swamped at work. I need to break free for a little mm.com drama.

Hawkeye

 

[elkassassin]

Remember Niller!

Whitworth!

Whitworth Baby!

Nope, just scopes on muzzleloaders. I heard “they” said after the meeting this was the sole reason our deer herds are struggling in Utah. It’s the one fix that’s going to save the day!

 

[Vanilla]

1200 yard shots for daaaaayz!

 

[hossblur]

You guys want entertainment, email Heaton and tell him he voted against the ban because he makes money off cams.


I'm 2days, and 10 emails back.

Pretty funny stuff reading about freedom of choice???????

 

[elkassassin]

Will it Be Legal To Run them on Private Property?

 

[Elkslayer2015]

Will it Be Legal To Run them on Private Property?

For hunting purposes no
for depredation yes

 

[elkassassin]

Kinda What I'm Sayin!

What Do You Think They'll Claim They've Gottem set Up For?

For hunting purposes no
for depredation yes

 

[mtnrunner260]

Boone and Crockett Says the Use of Smart Riflescopes, GPS-Enabled Tech, and Trail Cams That Transmit Images In Real Time Isn't Fair Chase

After a year of crafting its new position statement, the Boone and Crockett Club has announced that certain technology isn't fair chase.

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[Elkslayer2015]

-Do trail cameras help us kill more deer ? Some.
-Can DWR enforce their new stupid change? No!
-What will change? Nothing!
-Will People take down their camera's when they are supposed to? Maybe some, but most will not.
-Will hunters start shooting cameras when they see them up after the deadline. Absolutely!
-What good is this great thing that the DWR has done. It will not affect any harvest rates enough to help the Devasted Utah deer situation!

In summary,
Once again, the DWR doesn't seem to see it the way 90% of the Sportsmans/hunters see it. Minor changes that won't do anything vs MAJOR changes that are absolutely necessary to even begin to make a difference.

I can't wait to see all of those wardens out enforcing the great new deal!

If your going to list what trail cameras do lets do it the right way so people understand
-Do trail cameras help us. yes
- Do trail cameras keeps tabs on deer or Elk for us yes
- Do trail cameras let us know what time they are coming down a trail or hitting a water source yes
-Do trail cameras give us an edge to play the wind right when we walk into our spot with a camera on it yes
-Do trail cameras let us know if there is a shooter buck or bull in there and what time they are coming in mourning or night. yes
-Do trail cameras help in a big way from what i can see there that covers pretty much everything on being successful

Now put a season date on them you have to do it the old fashion way the way and put the time in like they did hundreds of years ago.

I get it I run cameras as well but i truly know it helps me in a big way.
That said I'm fine with a season date it just makes me have to hunt harder the way they it was before all this technology bull crap.

I truly think this is a step in the right direction it is putting the hunt back into hunting and we all have kind of forgotten that I know i have.....

 

[MuleyKiller]

If your going to list what trail cameras do lets do it the right way so people understand
-Do trail cameras help us. yes
- Do trail cameras keeps tabs on deer or Elk for us yes
- Do trail cameras let us know what time they are coming down a trail or hitting a water source yes
-Do trail cameras give us an edge to play the wind right when we walk into our spot with a camera on it yes
-Do trail cameras let us know if there is a shooter buck or bull in there and what time they are coming in mourning or night. yes
-Do trail cameras help in a big way from what i can see there that covers pretty much everything on being successful

Now put a season date on them you have to do it the old fashion way the way and put the time in like they did hundreds of years ago.

I get it I run cameras as well but i truly know it helps me in a big way.
That said I'm fine with a season date it just makes me have to hunt harder the way they it was before all this technology bull crap.

I truly think this is a step in the right direction it is putting the hunt back into hunting and we all have kind of forgotten that I know i have.....

You didn't address all of the bullet points.

-Can /Will the DWR enforce these new regulations . NO
-What will change? 10% of people putting them up will follow the season the rest will not.
-Would this be a small but good change , of course it could be , but its going to be business as usual for most everybody. People will be a little more crafty about where they are putting them. You probably won't see 3 or 4 together on the same water hole out in the open anymore.
-So you will have hunters tearing down cameras of other hunters on there way in to check there own cameras!

Just when you think they can't up with anything more lame, the Wildlife Board astonishes us and comes up with this great new law to save the day. Not sure what good trail cameras are anymore anyway, there aren't enough critters out there to justify putting up a camera!

 

[hossblur]

You didn't address all of the bullet points.

-Can /Will the DWR enforce these new regulations . NO
-What will change? 10% of people putting them up will follow the season the rest will not.
-Would this be a small but good change , of course it could be , but its going to be business as usual for most everybody. People will be a little more crafty about where they are putting them. You probably won't see 3 or 4 together on the same water hole out in the open anymore.
-So you will have hunters tearing down cameras of other hunters on there way in to check there own cameras!

Just when you think they can't up with anything more lame, the Wildlife Board astonishes us and comes up with this great new law to save the day. Not sure what good trail cameras are anymore anyway, there aren't enough critters out there to justify putting up a camera!

I'm 7emails and 3days from Wade Heaton.

He's either OCD as hell, or he is livid.

What this WILL do is hit outfitters who have made entire buisness models on cams.

While Joe blow, might take the chance, gone is the outfitters trolling for buisness by publishing pics.

And, they'd be fools to get caught with cams up.

Now they will of course, like Heaton has, keep saying "we will kill big bucks regardless".

But, like after the bait ban hurt the "quality"( I mean the drought?), there are guides, of whom some are "famous" that will be forced to look at a new buisness model.

Dumping big piles of apples and covering them with cams, will be replaced by paid spotters.

Like any business, labor is the greatest cost.

The reality. This ban is aimed 100% at the corporate hunting world.

No one cared that Joe blow put up a couple cams. We all cared that we were overwhelmed by the massive amount of cams the "pros" run.

Guys wait decades to pull a rag, only to show up to apples piled up, and a Hollywood sound stage.

Yeah. We need to figure out a way to address all the spotters/sitters.

Good on the WB for hitting back at the corporate hunters. For too long Utah has bowed down to them.

 

[Elkslayer2015]

MuleyKiller I think the 49% of the hunters that voted for Nevada trail cameras laws will regulate it more than the DWR..
those hunters will also share the location with the DWR where these cameras are located on onX so In turn you will start seeing more and more DWR officers out in the field and in the trees and in our hunting spots….

So if you hunters don't want this i would play by the rules/law...

Yeah people will get more crafty.
like setting them on a trail before a water hole or high up in a tree's.
Then they will set them up on a ranchers salt block that rancher placed out for cattle. this one right here the hunters will think it's a loop hole or grey area and they will just say it's a ranchers.

The thing about the ranchers in my unit not one of them run cameras so they better rethink that one....


Will cameras get destroyed I don't think so I have never had a camera destroyed and i don't lock mine up (I've hunted my unit for 25 plus years and ran cameras for 12 years in my unit I know that 99% of the cameras are hunters) I truly think they will get donated to the DWR as they should.

I don’t think its lame at all And 49% of the hunters disagree with you I look at it as a good start to put the hunt back into hunting.
There’s my thoughts

 

[elkassassin]

Hey ES2015!

Trail Cams Have Already Been Getting Destroyed!

No!

Not By Me!

There Was A GREENIE Bittch From Back East On SJ This Year That Destroyed Several Cams!

MuleyKiller I think the 49% of the hunters that voted for Nevada trail cameras laws will regulate it more than the DWR..
those hunters will also share the location with the DWR where these cameras are located on onX so In turn you will start seeing more and more DWR officers out in the field and in the trees and in our hunting spots….

So if you hunters don't want this i would play by the rules/law...

Yeah people will get more crafty.
like setting them on a trail before a water hole or high up in a tree's.
Then they will set them up on a ranchers salt block that rancher placed out for cattle. this one right here the hunters will think it's a loop hole or grey area and they will just say it's a ranchers.

The thing about the ranchers in my unit not one of them run cameras so they better rethink that one....


Will cameras get destroyed I don't think so I have never had a camera destroyed and i don't lock mine up (I've hunted my unit for 25 plus years and ran cameras for 12 years in my unit I know that 99% of the cameras are hunters) I truly think they will get donated to the DWR as they should.

I don’t think its lame at all And 49% of the hunters disagree with you I look at it as a good start to put the hunt back into hunting.
There’s my thoughts