Sportsman's Bull on KSL Outdoors

[Foreman4x4]

A sanitized ****-show is still a ****-show, and the so-called "hunter" is 100% responsible because he listened to YOUR recommendation and played right along.

All that hard work put in keeping his phone charged, gassing up the Pavement Pounder, choking down some road snacks, and speeding down I-15 to the wound site really paid off.

 

[Foreman4x4]

What'd preseason scouting consist of? Driving around Valley Fair Mall, practicing backing in and out of parking spots, looking for poor cell coverage areas, and scouring maps for I-15 construction zones. Most guys hitting up Cabela's and the range, while this guy is in Verizon and Les Schwab.

 

[hossblur]

I'm assuming, since he said so, he's not been around elk, and never elk hunted. That's why you get professionals.

The dude did what the pros told him to, yeah, his bullet is his, but the dudes with him(I believe Adam guides as well) should have been professional and offered professional advice. Otherwise what are they there for? First time hunters(hell myself also) get pretty jacked at a bull like that, of course he over estimates ability, we call it buck fever.

You hire a mechanic, he shouldn't sit there and watch you redneck a repair, same goes here.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Stubaby]

I bet when they saw the impact of that first shot they were like…..oh crap, the camera is rolling.

I would think that with this tag and the weapon, dates, and places to hunt that I could find a bull “worthy” of the tag.

I mean can you imagine just hunting the Beaver alone with a rifle from sept 1 till now?

Oh man!!!

 

[elkhunterUT]

@Shiras you just were called out. Will you have the balls to call on Monday? The answer is no.

Guaranteed he won’t make that call-can’t hide behind a computer in that situation.

 

[2lumpy]

You guys are funny. Full of sh!t, but funny. No, I just decided to put a more sanitized version similar to the one that we aired on tv on YouTube. In part because after some thought I agreed with a few comments about the light it casts on us as hunters. This is a sport/lifestyle I and you cherish and I can see how long range shooting can cast a negative shadow on something that means a lot to us. We are currently in Southern Utah on a story and don’t have the ability to make the changes, so I had my producer take it down until we do.

For what it’s worth, the scope on the gun is a Mark 5. After a few phone calls, the hunter is allowed to have two hired people with him. The hunter, didn’t do a darn thing wrong or illegal, nor did the guides. Some might not agree with or ever consider hiring a guide, understood. Some don’t like long range shooting, totally understand. I’m not a huge fan myself, as I stated earlier. But to nit pick his hunt and assume the worst is at best wrong. I know some of you personally. The only people to reach out to me was ELK, (basin guy) sorry can’t remember his handle and Berryblaster. It’s not that hard to contact us through our website, PM, or email me if you have questions.

Adam Eakle
KSL Outdoors
[email protected]

Well…….. give that tag to any of the hostile hoard and see what they’d do…….. we’re just a virtual barroom full of drunks.

 

[Founder]

I had asked earlier in the thread what was “illegal”, but those who throw that BS out there don’t respond (@Provoriver @Shiras).

It’s pretty pathetic that these guys post that crap. If they can’t back it up with an explanation, they’re not welcome here anymore.

It’s one thing for someone to voice their opinion of the hunt, it’s another to claim laws were broken without anything to back it up.

 

[SS!]

I had asked earlier in the thread what was “illegal”, but those who throw that BS out there don’t respond (@Provoriver @Shiras).

It’s pretty pathetic that these guys post that crap. If they can’t back it up with an explanation, they’re not welcome here anymore.

It’s one thing for someone to voice their opinion of the hunt, it’s another to claim laws were broken without anything to back it up.

Agreed.

Any wildlife officer will acknowledge that a large percentage of poaching and wildlife violations are reported by sportsman. If @Shiras and @Provoriver believe laws were broken why didn’t they do anything about it? It speaks volumes regarding an individual who will complain and make accusations and not follow up on it. A true sportsman cares about the resource and will do what they can to protect and care for it. By not turning in poachers or violations you are saying you don’t care, maybe because you do much of the same? Or you’re just making accusations because you’re upset, jealous, the list goes on…

Put up or shut up. When you do shut up I hope you have the balls to apologize to those you accused.

 

[hossblur]

Well…….. give that tag to any of the hostile hoard and see what they’d do…….. we’re just a virtual barroom full of drunks.

Finally

Someone agrees


I been saying this for years?????

 

[elkhunterUT]

Well…….. give that tag to any of the hostile hoard and see what they’d do…….. we’re just a virtual barroom full of drunks.

I hope I have to worry about what I would do with a tag like that at least once in my life
I am pretty sure I know what I would do with that tag...the same thing I have done with every other tag I have ever had. Scout and hunt as much as I can with my family (Dad, Brother, kids) and try to turn up the best bull I could find on the best units in the state. That approach works well for me and provides the most fulfillment. I know others might do it differently - all good if it is legal.

 

[treedagain]

@Shiras you just were called out. Will you have the balls to call on Monday? The answer is no.

Of course not. He likes to stir it up safe and sound in his moms basement.

 

[Provoriver]

I just read fstops post and will apologize since he said it isn’t the VX6HD.

 

[Cam@strawberry]

I’ve never complained about a hunter taking a picture with 10 friends and family, nor about camps that have 15 buddies spread out across a unit spotting for their once in a lifetime LE hunt.

We created the mess with the management model, deal with the consequences. I know it’s not the same with regard to outfitted hunts but the sentiment behind both scenarios is the driving force.

More than anything else, I refuse to criticize hunters for engaging legally. There’s as much argument for LR hunting as there is against. My ethics aren’t yours, I respect that. Keep yours to yourself and those looking to you for direction.

If Adam says it was legit, it means to his knowledge it was legit. Don’t inject your version of what’s ok. Congratulate the hunter and move on.

 

[Wes]

"If Adam says it was legit, it means to his knowledge it was legit"
The DWR said WL guiding a client on Timp to kill a sheep was legit also
Wes

 

[hossblur]

I’ve never complained about a hunter taking a picture with 10 friends and family, nor about camps that have 15 buddies spread out across a unit spotting for their once in a lifetime LE hunt.

We created the mess with the management model, deal with the consequences. I know it’s not the same with regard to outfitted hunts but the sentiment behind both scenarios is the driving force.

More than anything else, I refuse to criticize hunters for engaging legally. There’s as much argument for LR hunting as there is against. My ethics aren’t yours, I respect that. Keep yours to yourself and those looking to you for direction.

If Adam says it was legit, it means to his knowledge it was legit. Don’t inject your version of what’s ok. Congratulate the hunter and move on.

You can't just graze past the outfitted part.

A lot of us in here are licensed by the same agency you are, and as such we have to play by the rules that agency, or others lay out. Everyone of us has things we find stupid, meaningless, or useless, yet, we endorse the check, that's the way it is.

Adam openly admitting here says HE didn't do diligence on paid spotters. And like it or not, he filmed it, he published it, it's on him.

You want the paycheck, or fame, the price is knowing the law.

You want to film a hunt, then you also own it if it goes badly. The high fives, fame, IG pics, forum ?, etc, etc, etc that come with that bull, carry the negative when you gut shut it on camera.

The hunter said he wasn't an elk hunter, thus a novice. The guide, nor frankly Adam can make that claim. It wasn't an of shoulder shot. Elk was laying, they had time to tripod up, you even here Adam(or cameraman) as "you on him"?

The professionals failed their client. They deserve the heat. They maximized the chances of what happened, happening.

I'm not questioning ethics of the hunter.

I am challenging the professionals.

You hire an electrician, if he burns down a house, it's on him, not the client

 

[Founder]

I just read fstops post and will apologize since he said it isn’t the VX6HD.

I’m glad you’ve apologized. It’s not the same as having just not made the accusation in the first place unless you’re absolutely certain, but it’ll have to do.

Claiming someone broke a law is a big deal and it can do a lot of damage, and before anyone makes those accusations to thousands of people on the internet, they should be absolutely certain. No guessing.

 

[Keystone]

So I guess I'm late to the game. I missed tge video.

Sounds like a possible illegal scope accusation got worked out.

But no one seems to have commented on the multiple guide part.

Any resolution?

 

[2lumpy]

So I guess I'm late to the game. I missed tge video.

Sounds like a possible illegal scope accusation got worked out.

But no one seems to have commented on the multiple guide part.

Any resolution?

All I saw in the video was a guide, a cook, a wrangler, (horses were not seen) a videographies specialist, a camp manager and a medical trainer, in case someone got kicked by a horse, they never said anyone got kicked……… but they could have!

 

[Keystone]

????????????

 

[Cam@strawberry]

So I guess I'm late to the game. I missed tge video.

Sounds like a possible illegal scope accusation got worked out.

But no one seems to have commented on the multiple guide part.

Any resolution?

They’ve got to be compensated beyond $25. I’d bet a pretty penny none were.

We have dudes roll in and out and ‘help’ not asked or expected all the time cause guys just want to be out hunting.

The idea of that law was to stop big money guys from hiring an army, and to curb the network of finders fee people. The sportsman’s tag isn’t generally a guy who hires an army and doles out tips liberally.

Just my guess, take it for what it’s worth, which probably isn’t much.

 

[Shadow]

I think Berry nailed it. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if no money at all changed hands.
Think about it, what better way for a guide to get his name out there than taking in the sportsman tag holder, free gratis and having it broadcast in a popular local outdoors show?

 

[johnnycake]

I think Berry nailed it. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if no money at all changed hands.
Think about it, what better way for a guide to get his name out there than taking in the sportsman tag holder, free gratis and having it broadcast in a popular local outdoors show?

It wouldn't be the first time a Sportsman tag was guided for free

 

[South_Slope]

KSL loves to do shows that are less than legal, they are no different than the rest of the kill for content clowns…

Go watch the corned… uh, canned… er, I mean the special disabled youth turkey hunts they do every year up diamond fork. They have gotten better at not getting the the yellow gold in their film angles over the years, but that hasn’t always been the case. It’s a great feel good story for all involved, including the DWR, so of course they let it slide. This will be no different.

I am sure the work you do with youth and terminal kids is beyond reproach….

I am sure you donate money and time beyond what you are required each year…

I know for sure you do not know Mike or Adam and your comments of pure ignorance speak volumes of your character.

 

[elkassassin]

So BEAVIS?

You Don't Charge Anything For Yourself?

They’ve got to be compensated beyond $25. I’d bet a pretty penny none were.

We have dudes roll in and out and ‘help’ not asked or expected all the time cause guys just want to be out hunting.

The idea of that law was to stop big money guys from hiring an army, and to curb the network of finders fee people. The sportsman’s tag isn’t generally a guy who hires an army and doles out tips liberally.

Just my guess, take it for what it’s worth, which probably isn’t much.

 

[Cam@strawberry]

So BEAVIS?

You Don't Charge Anything For Yourself?

I tallied up the total number of elk that I felt responsible for last year. Came up with about 95, I was the actual assigned and paid guide on about 1/3-1/2 of them. The rest were just me being able to help/working to contribute.

That’s how it works across the industry IMO. We just hunt, no money directly involved. Bulls get killed, processed, and packed by a herd of dudes who just know that there’ll be a time in the future where they need that help, and the crew will show up no questions asked with no expectations to get the job done.

 

[Bux n Dux]

"If Adam says it was legit, it means to his knowledge it was legit"
The DWR said WL guiding a client on Timp to kill a sheep was legit also
Wes

*Nebo

 

[hossblur]

It would be great if the spirit of the law was followed.

We all know it isn't.

You cant swing a dead cat in construction without hitting an illegal runner. Be it licensing, taxes, illegals, etc.

I'm sure guiding ain't much different.

 

[hossblur]

I tallied up the total number of elk that I felt responsible for last year. Came up with about 95, I was the actual assigned and paid guide on about 1/3-1/2 of them. The rest were just me being able to help/working to contribute.

That’s how it works across the industry IMO. We just hunt, no money directly involved. Bulls get killed, processed, and packed by a herd of dudes who just know that there’ll be a time in the future where they need that help, and the crew will show up no questions asked with no expectations to get the job done.

Umm, maybe.

But there's a swath who crave IG fame, and have eyes of becoming the next outdoor legend.

 

[Cam@strawberry]

Umm, maybe.

But there's a swath who crave IG fame, and have eyes of becoming the next outdoor legend.

Absolutely, but I’m speaking within the frame of the sportsman’s bull specifically. I imagine the martins have a similar crew to mine, and that’s just a bunch of good guys.

 

[Vanilla]

Remember, it’s not just exchange of cold hard cash, but anything of value in excess of $25. Even filling up someone’s tank of gas for them would qualify. (Just an example…)

It’s technically possible this was all kosher under the recently passed guide/outfitter restrictions, but the video certainly raised questions that are fair to be asked. And I think anyone being honest will realize this law is disregarded by outfitters all over the state.

It’s specifically listed in the statute that a violation is an illegal take (ie-poaching) and grounds for discipline on an outfitting license. There needs to be enforcement on this and strong actions taken when violations happen. Heck, I’ve seen advertisements posted this hunting season by outfitters still quoting prices for 2 guides per hunter.

 

[hossblur]

Update

fstop, got back to me via PM. Just like he said he would. I'm satisfied with what he has to say on the guides per hunter question.

He's already spoke about his feelings on the shot.

As to @berrysblaster. I agree. I know a handful of real good sheetrockers. But the overall reputation of us, is 200% deserved, the crooks, thieves, con artists built the bad reputation. Same thing in your industry.

@Vanilla. My question, is what is Adam? He's not a paid guide. But he's not there for free either. He's there at the invite of the hunter. He's carrying binos. How does the law see him? Are we going to see "camera men"(Lumpys post was classic) now instead of spotters?

 

[Crampy]

I tallied up the total number of elk that I felt responsible for last year. Came up with about 95, I was the actual assigned and paid guide on about 1/3-1/2 of them. The rest were just me being able to help/working to contribute.

That’s how it works across the industry IMO. We just hunt, no money directly involved. Bulls get killed, processed, and packed by a herd of dudes who just know that there’ll be a time in the future where they need that help, and the crew will show up no questions asked with no expectations to get the job done.

Exactly how utah outfitters will subvert the one (two) paid guide limit.

Each guy in the crew is the paid guide every so often. And when not being paid, they are still expected to show up and be an unpaid spotter.

 

[Vanilla]

Hoss, here are some important definitions, even considering berry’s post:

"Compensate" or "compensated" means anything of value in excess of $25 that is paid, loaned, given, granted, donated, or transferred to a person for or in consideration of locating or monitoring the location of big game animals

Here is what is considered compensating. Is anything of value here being exchanged or donated in consideration of locating or monitoring the location of big game? Are those “unpaid guides” that donate their time still being “compensated” under this definition? Interesting questions, right?

I’ll post it again here:

Utah Code Section 23A-11-204

le.utah.gov

Also, if you want more definitions about what is considered “guiding services” or other related things, this statute may be illustrative as well:

Utah Code Section 58-79-102

le.utah.gov

I post these these for educational purposes only. It would be good for everyone to really understand how broad these statutes sweep.

 

[hossblur]

It's that locating part that I see getting exploited. I foresee lots of YouTube channels in outfitter crews. Each independent of course ?

 

[Keystone]

I think Berry nailed it. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if no money at all changed hands.
Think about it, what better way for a guide to get his name out there than taking in the sportsman tag holder, free gratis and having it broadcast in a popular local outdoors show?

In politics that's called an "in kind" donation, and there is a monetary amount associated.

 

[couesmagnet]

Just got back from a juniors hunt with my brothers 13 year old son. I sat there and considered all the “things” that my brothers son Brandon had just done wrong on his hunt. Not in my eyes but most likely would be if he posted his pics on here.
The ethics police would have to say something though.
1) he was wearing a flat brim hat.
2) he was guided by me and both my brothers.
3) his shot was 425 yards. Gotta be too long for a little kid right.
4) we shot it near a highway but it was a legal distance regardless. Had to have been road hunting but it wasn’t. None the less some of the ethics police would have to voice their negative opinion on road hunting.
5) he shot a dinky 70 inch buck. Gotta be an issue for someone willing to chime in that it was a small buck.

He was wearing a flat brim hat , he was being guided , long shot for a 13 year old , and he had to have been road hunting.
I sat there and said to myself , the poor little guy has no idea how much crap he would take if he posted a pic and the story god forbid.
What if he would have been an older adult though. He might have gotten thrashed on his Memory here.

If I had the cash I would be buying all the tags I could get my hands on. I would also have lots of people looking for me. I would be waiting for the call from said guides hired by me. Who cares if that’s how I want to make my memory. Why do so many people care enough that they have to log in a trash someone else’s memory?

I think the problem with all the judgment people are exposed to now days is because somehow some hunters have tied their self esteems into what they harvest. I don’t know how it got to that but it’s gotta be the problem. Why would someone evaluate their self esteem based on what they kill or worse yet what someone else harvested. Nothing else can explain why so many people get their panties in an uproar over others hunts, and feel such a burning desire to trash others memories.
Tying your self esteem to what you harvest is a losing proposition fellas, and always will be.
Do you guys think that Jimmy John doesn’t know he’s getting a phone call to shoot something some guide found for him. Of course he does. It’s gotta be a threatened self esteem that gets others to absolutely thrash him online and his memory he just had. Calling him fat and all kinds of things.
Who cares if he got the phone call. Why do you guys care so much. Answer is , that somehow some people’s self esteems were threatened in some way. Otherwise there wouldn’t be such a rush to thrash Jimmy or lesson his accomplishments. Literally listing all the things he didn’t do ie find it himself , or whatever else he didn’t do. Who cares.
Before lots of people jump online and decide to trash any other hunters memory or hunt ask yourself , “why am I so threatened right now that I feel the need to trash another hunters hunt or memory”.
Whats being triggered within myself to be so desperate to correct or even worse trash someone else. Something is being triggered here to make me take time out of my day to log in and spend the time trashing someone else’s memory. Think about it for a second it’s an investment of your time and energy to thrash someone’s memory or hunt.
If it’s not your self esteem it’s gotta be your ego that’s been triggered.
Either or it’s destructive to others and destructive to the sport of hunting itself. It destroys the very foundation of hunting itself.
Who gives a crap what you would have done or not done on someone else’s hunt. Seriously who heck do we think we are these days. It’s getting to the point that no one can attempt to hunt their way , but instead take a vote on monster Muleys to see if it’s ok to hunt a certain way.
Check on the health of your self esteem before you log into the forums. If it’s low that day refrain from logging on.
There’s no other explanation for all the jealousy and negativity these days.
I hope everyone kills giant this year. Would get a lot easier on this site if that happened. Everyone would have smile and guided or not , long shot or not , flat brim hat or not , landowner tag or not , road hunting or not , private or not , high fence or not , the right caliber or not , ect ect ect,,,, no one would care how someone had a really good time in the outdoors.
Holy smokes hunting has become such a joke these days. All you have to do is log into any forum and see the catastrophic joke it’s become. It’s about memories fellas. That’s all it’s about, or did you forget why you’re actually out there in the first place. Because if you’re out there for another reason that’s going to tie into your ego or self esteem. Not a good thing.

 

[SPAZ]

thin skin?

 

[couesmagnet]

Either that or very calloused skin. It’s both.

 

[Deerlove]

Just got back from a juniors hunt with my brothers 13 year old son. I sat there and considered all the “things” that my brothers son Brandon had just done wrong on his hunt. Not in my eyes but most likely would be if he posted his pics on here.
The ethics police would have to say something though.
1) he was wearing a flat brim hat.
2) he was guided by me and both my brothers.
3) his shot was 425 yards. Gotta be too long for a little kid right.
4) we shot it near a highway but it was a legal distance regardless. Had to have been road hunting but it wasn’t. None the less some of the ethics police would have to voice their negative opinion on road hunting.
5) he shot a dinky 70 inch buck. Gotta be an issue for someone willing to chime in that it was a small buck.

He was wearing a flat brim hat , he was being guided , long shot for a 13 year old , and he had to have been road hunting.
I sat there and said to myself , the poor little guy has no idea how much crap he would take if he posted a pic and the story god forbid.
What if he would have been an older adult though. He might have gotten thrashed on his Memory here.

If I had the cash I would be buying all the tags I could get my hands on. I would also have lots of people looking for me. I would be waiting for the call from said guides hired by me. Who cares if that’s how I want to make my memory. Why do so many people care enough that they have to log in a trash someone else’s memory?

I think the problem with all the judgment people are exposed to now days is because somehow some hunters have tied their self esteems into what they harvest. I don’t know how it got to that but it’s gotta be the problem. Why would someone evaluate their self esteem based on what they kill or worse yet what someone else harvested. Nothing else can explain why so many people get their panties in an uproar over others hunts, and feel such a burning desire to trash others memories.
Tying your self esteem to what you harvest is a losing proposition fellas, and always will be.
Do you guys think that Jimmy John doesn’t know he’s getting a phone call to shoot something some guide found for him. Of course he does. It’s gotta be a threatened self esteem that gets others to absolutely thrash him online and his memory he just had. Calling him fat and all kinds of things.
Who cares if he got the phone call. Why do you guys care so much. Answer is , that somehow some people’s self esteems were threatened in some way. Otherwise there wouldn’t be such a rush to thrash Jimmy or lesson his accomplishments. Literally listing all the things he didn’t do ie find it himself , or whatever else he didn’t do. Who cares.
Before lots of people jump online and decide to trash any other hunters memory or hunt ask yourself , “why am I so threatened right now that I feel the need to trash another hunters hunt or memory”.
Whats being triggered within myself to be so desperate to correct or even worse trash someone else. Something is being triggered here to make me take time out of my day to log in and spend the time trashing someone else’s memory. Think about it for a second it’s an investment of your time and energy to thrash someone’s memory or hunt.
If it’s not your self esteem it’s gotta be your ego that’s been triggered.
Either or it’s destructive to others and destructive to the sport of hunting itself. It destroys the very foundation of hunting itself.
Who gives a crap what you would have done or not done on someone else’s hunt. Seriously who heck do we think we are these days. It’s getting to the point that no one can attempt to hunt their way , but instead take a vote on monster Muleys to see if it’s ok to hunt a certain way.
Check on the health of your self esteem before you log into the forums. If it’s low that day refrain from logging on.
There’s no other explanation for all the jealousy and negativity these days.
I hope everyone kills giant this year. Would get a lot easier on this site if that happened. Everyone would have smile and guided or not , long shot or not , flat brim hat or not , landowner tag or not , road hunting or not , private or not , high fence or not , the right caliber or not , ect ect ect,,,, no one would care how someone had a really good time in the outdoors.
Holy smokes hunting has become such a joke these days. All you have to do is log into any forum and see the catastrophic joke it’s become. It’s about memories fellas. That’s all it’s about, or did you forget why you’re actually out there in the first place. Because if you’re out there for another reason that’s going to tie into your ego or self esteem. Not a good thing.

If you're under 18 you're excluded

 

[hossblur]

My oldest goes flatty.

It's both immoral and unethical.

 

[couesmagnet]

I shot my first two 200 inch plus bucks back in the late 80 ‘s wearing a blue surfer visor to keep my skater bangs from blocking my vision in the scope. Hadn’t progressed to a hat yet. Can’t even imagine what some dudes were saying about me. Big chit eating grin on my face rocking a blue surfer visor. Best times ever.

 

[MrShane]

Just got back from a juniors hunt with my brothers 13 year old son. I sat there and considered all the “things” that my brothers son Brandon had just done wrong on his hunt. Not in my eyes but most likely would be if he posted his pics on here.
The ethics police would have to say something though.
1) he was wearing a flat brim hat.
2) he was guided by me and both my brothers.
3) his shot was 425 yards. Gotta be too long for a little kid right.
4) we shot it near a highway but it was a legal distance regardless. Had to have been road hunting but it wasn’t. None the less some of the ethics police would have to voice their negative opinion on road hunting.
5) he shot a dinky 70 inch buck. Gotta be an issue for someone willing to chime in that it was a small buck.

He was wearing a flat brim hat , he was being guided , long shot for a 13 year old , and he had to have been road hunting.
I sat there and said to myself , the poor little guy has no idea how much crap he would take if he posted a pic and the story god forbid.
What if he would have been an older adult though. He might have gotten thrashed on his Memory here.

If I had the cash I would be buying all the tags I could get my hands on. I would also have lots of people looking for me. I would be waiting for the call from said guides hired by me. Who cares if that’s how I want to make my memory. Why do so many people care enough that they have to log in a trash someone else’s memory?

I think the problem with all the judgment people are exposed to now days is because somehow some hunters have tied their self esteems into what they harvest. I don’t know how it got to that but it’s gotta be the problem. Why would someone evaluate their self esteem based on what they kill or worse yet what someone else harvested. Nothing else can explain why so many people get their panties in an uproar over others hunts, and feel such a burning desire to trash others memories.
Tying your self esteem to what you harvest is a losing proposition fellas, and always will be.
Do you guys think that Jimmy John doesn’t know he’s getting a phone call to shoot something some guide found for him. Of course he does. It’s gotta be a threatened self esteem that gets others to absolutely thrash him online and his memory he just had. Calling him fat and all kinds of things.
Who cares if he got the phone call. Why do you guys care so much. Answer is , that somehow some people’s self esteems were threatened in some way. Otherwise there wouldn’t be such a rush to thrash Jimmy or lesson his accomplishments. Literally listing all the things he didn’t do ie find it himself , or whatever else he didn’t do. Who cares.
Before lots of people jump online and decide to trash any other hunters memory or hunt ask yourself , “why am I so threatened right now that I feel the need to trash another hunters hunt or memory”.
Whats being triggered within myself to be so desperate to correct or even worse trash someone else. Something is being triggered here to make me take time out of my day to log in and spend the time trashing someone else’s memory. Think about it for a second it’s an investment of your time and energy to thrash someone’s memory or hunt.
If it’s not your self esteem it’s gotta be your ego that’s been triggered.
Either or it’s destructive to others and destructive to the sport of hunting itself. It destroys the very foundation of hunting itself.
Who gives a crap what you would have done or not done on someone else’s hunt. Seriously who heck do we think we are these days. It’s getting to the point that no one can attempt to hunt their way , but instead take a vote on monster Muleys to see if it’s ok to hunt a certain way.
Check on the health of your self esteem before you log into the forums. If it’s low that day refrain from logging on.
There’s no other explanation for all the jealousy and negativity these days.
I hope everyone kills giant this year. Would get a lot easier on this site if that happened. Everyone would have smile and guided or not , long shot or not , flat brim hat or not , landowner tag or not , road hunting or not , private or not , high fence or not , the right caliber or not , ect ect ect,,,, no one would care how someone had a really good time in the outdoors.
Holy smokes hunting has become such a joke these days. All you have to do is log into any forum and see the catastrophic joke it’s become. It’s about memories fellas. That’s all it’s about, or did you forget why you’re actually out there in the first place. Because if you’re out there for another reason that’s going to tie into your ego or self esteem. Not a good thing.

The ‘flat brim sin’ is an easy fix, I do it to my grandsons hats every time.
You are in charge, just say no flats in your truck or camp.
You are bigger than him.
Just take it from him and roll that brim!

 

[hossblur]

The ‘flat brim sin’ is an easy fix, I do it to my grandsons hats every time.
You are in charge, just say no flats in your truck or camp.
You are bigger than him.
Just take it from him and roll that brim!

I'm a little bigger.

But I bleed a lot, and I'm ?

 

[elkassassin]

I'm Gonna Stack A Book Of Mormon On top Of A Bible & Have BEAVIS Put Both Hands On Top Of Them!

Then I'm Gonna Ask Him:

You Ever Been Compensated UNDER THE TABLE?

RAZZIN Ya BEAV!

 

[smokepolejohnson]

I'm Gonna Stack A Book Of Mormon On top Of A Bible & Have BEAVIS Put Both Hands On Top Of Them!

Then I'm Gonna Ask Him:

You Ever Been Compensated UNDER THE TABLE?

RAZZIN Ya BEAV!

Save weight on the pack and Just stack these LDS approved Nephi broken bow Archery edition socks on the Bible… Use Hush20 @checkout. TiA

 

[Cam@strawberry]

Save weight on the pack and Just stack these LDS approved Nephi broken bow Archery edition socks on the Bible… Use Hush20 @checkout. TiA

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That’s pretty easily the best thing I’ve ever seen on here.

Can’t think of a time Bess. Unless you wanna count that time I sold you a gun ?

 

[Vanilla]

Save weight on the pack and Just stack these LDS approved Nephi broken bow Archery edition socks on the Bible… Use Hush20 @checkout. TiA

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Tim Ballard approved from Nephi?

 

[Tikka]

I shot my first two 200 inch plus bucks back in the late 80 ‘s wearing a blue surfer visor to keep my skater bangs from blocking my vision in the scope. Hadn’t progressed to a hat yet. Can’t even imagine what some dudes were saying about me. Big chit eating grin on my face rocking a blue surfer visor. Best times ever.

Pictures or it didn’t happen….

 

[smokepolejohnson]

Tim Ballard approved from Nephi?

Tim is a straight shooter who would fit right in perfectly for at least one of the Utah based wildlife non profits whom tends to carry a little weight in the BeHave state.

 

[elkassassin]

But You Didn't Sell It To Me!

That’s pretty easily the best thing I’ve ever seen on here.

Can’t think of a time Bess. Unless you wanna count that time I sold you a gun ?

 

[hossblur]

Tim is a straight shooter who would fit right in perfectly for at least one of the Utah based wildlife non profits whom tends to carry a little weight in the BeHave state.

I'm hearing keynote at Expo 24'

 

[couesmagnet]

Pictures or it didn’t happen….

Those are my most cherished memories in the field I’ve ever made. My dad took the time to take me and my brother to the kaibab several times. Draw odds were 30 plus percent for rifle kaibab tags. Those memories are what fueled the addiction I have to the outdoors to this day. There’s zero reason to take a chance those memories get trashed on here by posting a pic. I’ve got zero to prove to anyone on here. I really wish I could post a pic of the blue surfer visor bucks, but it’s just not worth it. Sad that’s the case. The proof of the sadness is readily apparent when others post pics themselves on here. Heck this thread itself is proof of that alone.

I sure miss the days when people rejoiced in others hunts. I wonder if those days are extinct. It was a lot of fun to just be involved in any way with others hunts for big critters, even if it’s seeing pics of others critters.
For me pics of others hunts always ignite the thought of what if I saw that Woolley mammoth breaking out of a thick juniper tree line on my hunt.
For a few seconds I can almost imagine the excitement the other person went through , and all I’m doing is looking at a pic of someone else’s memory.
I’m sure the person posting knows how it felt to see a giant break out of the tree line with a tag in hand. Why ruin that for them????
Who cares how they made the memory. Why do so many people care so much how they made that memory for themselves, and then actually take the time to ruin it for them. It’s a fair question to ask.
Hope this makes sense tikka why I don’t want to take the chance some wanna be is waiting to trash my memory, out of jealousy or a lack of self worth.

 

[elkhunterUT]

Those are my most cherished memories in the field I’ve ever made. My dad took the time to take me and my brother to the kaibab several times. Draw odds were 30 plus percent for rifle kaibab tags. Those memories are what fueled the addiction I have to the outdoors to this day. There’s zero reason to take a chance those memories get trashed on here by posting a pic. I’ve got zero to prove to anyone on here. I really wish I could post a pic of the blue surfer visor bucks, but it’s just not worth it. Sad that’s the case. The proof of the sadness is readily apparent when others post pics themselves on here. Heck this thread itself is proof of that alone.

I sure miss the days when people rejoiced in others hunts. I wonder if those days are extinct. It was a lot of fun to just be involved in any way with others hunts for big critters, even if it’s seeing pics of others critters.
For me pics of others hunts always ignite the thought of what if I saw that Woolley mammoth breaking out of a thick juniper tree line on my hunt.
For a few seconds I can almost imagine the excitement the other person went through , and all I’m doing is looking at a pic of someone else’s memory.
I’m sure the person posting knows how it felt to see a giant break out of the tree line with a tag in hand. Why ruin that for them????
Who cares how they made the memory. Why do so many people care so much how they made that memory for themselves, and then actually take the time to ruin it for them. It’s a fair question to ask.
Hope this makes sense tikka why I don’t want to take the chance some wanna be is waiting to trash my memory, out of jealousy or a lack of self worth.

Or you could just be comfortable in your own skin and post up the pics. Many of us would love to see them and will appreciate them.

Who cares what the internet keyboard warriors have to say about your trophies.

 

[hossblur]

Those are my most cherished memories in the field I’ve ever made. My dad took the time to take me and my brother to the kaibab several times. Draw odds were 30 plus percent for rifle kaibab tags. Those memories are what fueled the addiction I have to the outdoors to this day. There’s zero reason to take a chance those memories get trashed on here by posting a pic. I’ve got zero to prove to anyone on here. I really wish I could post a pic of the blue surfer visor bucks, but it’s just not worth it. Sad that’s the case. The proof of the sadness is readily apparent when others post pics themselves on here. Heck this thread itself is proof of that alone.

I sure miss the days when people rejoiced in others hunts. I wonder if those days are extinct. It was a lot of fun to just be involved in any way with others hunts for big critters, even if it’s seeing pics of others critters.
For me pics of others hunts always ignite the thought of what if I saw that Woolley mammoth breaking out of a thick juniper tree line on my hunt.
For a few seconds I can almost imagine the excitement the other person went through , and all I’m doing is looking at a pic of someone else’s memory.
I’m sure the person posting knows how it felt to see a giant break out of the tree line with a tag in hand. Why ruin that for them????
Who cares how they made the memory. Why do so many people care so much how they made that memory for themselves, and then actually take the time to ruin it for them. It’s a fair question to ask.
Hope this makes sense tikka why I don’t want to take the chance some wanna be is waiting to trash my memory, out of jealousy or a lack of self worth.

What's changed since your surfer days?

When you were on the Kaibab was there 300 trail cams, herds of spotters, bait piles everywhere, freaking choppers circling?

That's what's pissing dudes off now. You can't just go enjoy a hunt like that. You have to deal with the circus, the bullshit, ect.

The "keyboard warriors" didn't create this crap. Your irritation should be at the corporate folks

 

[MrShane]

Those are my most cherished memories in the field I’ve ever made. My dad took the time to take me and my brother to the kaibab several times. Draw odds were 30 plus percent for rifle kaibab tags. Those memories are what fueled the addiction I have to the outdoors to this day. There’s zero reason to take a chance those memories get trashed on here by posting a pic. I’ve got zero to prove to anyone on here. I really wish I could post a pic of the blue surfer visor bucks, but it’s just not worth it. Sad that’s the case. The proof of the sadness is readily apparent when others post pics themselves on here. Heck this thread itself is proof of that alone.

I sure miss the days when people rejoiced in others hunts. I wonder if those days are extinct. It was a lot of fun to just be involved in any way with others hunts for big critters, even if it’s seeing pics of others critters.
For me pics of others hunts always ignite the thought of what if I saw that Woolley mammoth breaking out of a thick juniper tree line on my hunt.
For a few seconds I can almost imagine the excitement the other person went through , and all I’m doing is looking at a pic of someone else’s memory.
I’m sure the person posting knows how it felt to see a giant break out of the tree line with a tag in hand. Why ruin that for them????
Who cares how they made the memory. Why do so many people care so much how they made that memory for themselves, and then actually take the time to ruin it for them. It’s a fair question to ask.
Hope this makes sense tikka why I don’t want to take the chance some wanna be is waiting to trash my memory, out of jealousy or a lack of self worth.

Dude, I have one hand and people make fun of me all the time.
It makes skin grow thicker.
Don’t let others terrorize you in to not posting pics to share with those that care.
Screw’em and post away!!

 

[Tikka]

Those are my most cherished memories in the field I’ve ever made. My dad took the time to take me and my brother to the kaibab several times. Draw odds were 30 plus percent for rifle kaibab tags. Those memories are what fueled the addiction I have to the outdoors to this day. There’s zero reason to take a chance those memories get trashed on here by posting a pic. I’ve got zero to prove to anyone on here. I really wish I could post a pic of the blue surfer visor bucks, but it’s just not worth it. Sad that’s the case. The proof of the sadness is readily apparent when others post pics themselves on here. Heck this thread itself is proof of that alone.

I sure miss the days when people rejoiced in others hunts. I wonder if those days are extinct. It was a lot of fun to just be involved in any way with others hunts for big critters, even if it’s seeing pics of others critters.
For me pics of others hunts always ignite the thought of what if I saw that Woolley mammoth breaking out of a thick juniper tree line on my hunt.
For a few seconds I can almost imagine the excitement the other person went through , and all I’m doing is looking at a pic of someone else’s memory.
I’m sure the person posting knows how it felt to see a giant break out of the tree line with a tag in hand. Why ruin that for them????
Who cares how they made the memory. Why do so many people care so much how they made that memory for themselves, and then actually take the time to ruin it for them. It’s a fair question to ask.
Hope this makes sense tikka why I don’t want to take the chance some wanna be is waiting to trash my memory, out of jealousy or a lack of self worth.

I was just flipping you a little Sh!t, I would love to see your bucks... But understand if you don't want to share...
No worries on my end...

 

[JB1975]

Dude, I have one hand and people make fun of me all the time.
It makes skin grow thicker.
Don’t let others terrorize you in to not posting pics to share with those that care.
Screw’em and post away!!

I have a good friend missing his left hand. He tells everyone he still has his pimp hand. Lol

 

[hossblur]

Dude, I have one hand and people make fun of me all the time.
It makes skin grow thicker.
Don’t let others terrorize you in to not posting pics to share with those that care.
Screw’em and post away!!

Um, your just barely telling us that?

How are we supposed to belittle you without info ??

 

[HIcountryman]

I used to frequent MM just to look at pics of big bucks: the yearly contests , pics of sheds, the Good Ol Days and the pro photographer 's pages. I sure love looking at big mule deer! (Remember why this site exists?!)

Then i got on the forums - mainly to ask questions about muzzleloaders and ballistics and gear stuff to guys that know more than I.

I used to jump into this mess with opinions but you guys have way more time and energy than I do to trash/pile on everybody for anything that differs from whatever you deem right. No longer cool to disagree respectfully - we have to go back and forth with what very often turns into personal attacks.

Some of it is funny or in good fun but there are enough ruffled feathers on here to start a new sleeping bag company : "MM Put Down bags! Water-tested by a bunch of Retired Babies' Tears Rained Down From Atop Their Moral High Horses!"

(PS: I will be blocking all MM users so I won't be wounded by your comments!)

 

[JB1975]

I used to frequent MM just to look at pics of big bucks: the yearly contests , pics of sheds, the Good Ol Days and the pro photographer 's pages. I sure love looking at big mule deer! (Remember why this site exists?!)

Then i got on the forums - mainly to ask questions about muzzleloaders and ballistics and gear stuff to guys that know more than I.

I used to jump into this mess with opinions but you guys have way more time and energy than I do to trash/pile on everybody for anything that differs from whatever you deem right. No longer cool to disagree respectfully - we have to go back and forth with what very often turns into personal attacks.

Some of it is funny or in good fun but there are enough ruffled feathers on here to start a new sleeping bag company : "MM Put Down bags! Water-tested by a bunch of Retired Babies' Tears Rained Down From Atop Their Moral High Horses!"

(PS: I will be blocking all MM users so I won't be wounded by your comments!)

How old do we have to be to order one? Asking for @elkassassin

 

[hossblur]

I used to frequent MM just to look at pics of big bucks: the yearly contests , pics of sheds, the Good Ol Days and the pro photographer 's pages. I sure love looking at big mule deer! (Remember why this site exists?!)

Then i got on the forums - mainly to ask questions about muzzleloaders and ballistics and gear stuff to guys that know more than I.

I used to jump into this mess with opinions but you guys have way more time and energy than I do to trash/pile on everybody for anything that differs from whatever you deem right. No longer cool to disagree respectfully - we have to go back and forth with what very often turns into personal attacks.

Some of it is funny or in good fun but there are enough ruffled feathers on here to start a new sleeping bag company : "MM Put Down bags! Water-tested by a bunch of Retired Babies' Tears Rained Down From Atop Their Moral High Horses!"

(PS: I will be blocking all MM users so I won't be wounded by your comments!)

Takes a shot, then runs away and hides?

 

[MrShane]

Um, your just barely telling us that?

How are we supposed to belittle you without info ??

I told you, it makes my skin thicker!
I ain’t no millennial that runs to my Mom’s basement when offended, I’m 55 this month.

 

[Founder]

Time to end the back and forth bickering.