Significant restrictions are being proposed in 2024 Novembers RAC's

[Vanilla]

No, we've never tried an APR on a restricted quota unit.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

They failed before because it was used on "come one, come all" basis.

This APR proposal is a totally new beast.

Whatever the success rates were on say Bookcliffs with unlimited tags, apply it now with limited tags.....THEN we'll compare notes.

And THEN we can restrict that quota even more! Oh, the opportunity!!!

Can we at least quit claiming that is what this is about?

 

[slamdunk]

And THEN we can restrict that quota even more! Oh, the opportunity!!!

Can we at least quit claiming that is what this is about?

Hypothetical....

 

[elkassassin]

I Know That's Been HASHED & THRASHED For Years!

I Never Did Hear The Outcome?

Unfortunately, no…that is not the current state of the law.

But, the battle continues.

 

[elkassassin]

We Need To Get About 5 Or Maybe 6 Different Types Of Units Going For The Different Types Of Deer Hunters!

When The OPPORTUNISTS Destroy Their Units They Are Done!

Then The PISSCUTTER POUNDERS Destroy Their Units They Are Done!

When The OPPORTUNISTSTS That Want Tags Every Year Destroy Their Units They Are Done!

When The OPPORTUNISTS That Want Middle Aged Units Destroy Their Units They Are Done!

We Need A Couple Of YOUTH Units,These Need To Be YOUTH ONLY UNITS,Let Them Shoot Whatever They Want,If they Get Over-Hunted They'll Have To Decide Rather It Goes To A Draw Or Every Other Year Or Whatever They Decide To Do!

We Need A Couple Of APR Units Under hogg_65's Rules,If Somebody Breaks The Rules They Are Banned From Ever Hunting In This State Again!

Once You Join/Enter Your Type Of Hunting You Are In It For Life With The Exception Of The Youth Having To Make A 2nd Choice When They Turn 16!

You Ain't Gonna Change After You've Helped Screw Your Unit Over!

Somebody Is Gonna BAWL!

GIT-R-F'N-DONE!

 

[Vanilla]

We Need To Get About 5 Or Maybe 6 Different Types Of Units Going For The Different Types Of Deer Hunters!

Don’t we already have that? Isn’t that what premium LE, LE, and general season managed for different buck to doe ratios supposed to be?

That’s my biggest rub Bessy. We already have all types of hunts. But there are some that aren’t satisfied until everything becomes what they want it to be.

I say if you want to hunt bigger, older deer more easily, get in line and go do it! I’ve got no problem with that. If you want to apply for a unit that those deer are hard to come by, and you’re just content with the experience, then go do it. Why does everything have to be pushed one way by these special interests?

This whole proposal will make us all content with accepting the idea of combining all points, or at the very least, you get to apply for general season or LE only, but not both. Maybe that was the plan all along? FUBAR it so badly that everyone will finally accept that provision. It wouldn’t be the first time policy was purposefully driven into a giant cluster to get people to accept what the original goal was anyway.

 

[elkassassin]

That's Not Quite How it's Been Working!

Anytime Something Good Happens Within The DRATville Deer Herd Every OPPORTUNIST Starts SCREAMING For Another Piece Of The Pie!

Let Them Make Their Own Pie & Eat It!

When They FRICK It Up They Can Live With It!

They Are Not Jumping In To Another Pool To FRICK It Up Too!

Let The OPPORTUNISTS Make Their Own Votes For Their Type Of Units!

Let The Guys That Are Willing To Take A Chance On An APR Unit Make Their Own Votes On Said Units!

Let The Youth Vote On Their Own Type Of Units!

And Etc!

This BS Of A Few RAC's Around The State Turning That Input In And Then The WB Doing Damn Well As They Please Regardless Of What The RAC'S Decided Is TOTAAL BS!

Can You Tally This Up For Me Nilly?

Can You Figure On Average How Many Sportsmen/Hunters Showed Up At The RAC's In A Percentage Rate Compared To How Many Big Game Hunters We Have In This State?

I'll Guess And Say The First Two Numbers Are .00 Might Even Be .000 HELL I Don't Know But I'd Like To Know What Percentage Of Hunters In This State Show Up At The RAC Meetings?

And Then It's All WASTED When Presented To The WB & They Make Their Own Decisions!

SWEET JUDAS!

Don’t we already have that? Isn’t that what premium LE, LE, and general season managed for different buck to doe ratios supposed to be?

That’s my biggest rub Bessy. We already have all types of hunts. But there are some that aren’t satisfied until everything becomes what they want it to be.

I say if you want to hunt bigger, older deer more easily, get in line and go do it! I’ve got no problem with that. If you want to apply for a unit that those deer are hard to come by, and you’re just content with the experience, then go do it. Why does everything have to be pushed one way by these special interests?

This whole proposal will make us all content with accepting the idea of combining all points, or at the very least, you get to apply for general season or LE only, but not both. Maybe that was the plan all along? FUBAR it so badly that everyone will finally accept that provision. It wouldn’t be the first time policy was purposefully driven into a giant cluster to get people to accept what the original goal was anyway.

 

[Betterluckythangood]

And we can go to 9x. I’ve got at least 3 of em. But then we need to ask ourselves “Why?” Who wants this and why will it benefit them? Then I have to ask if I care if those people are benefitted to the detriment of everyone else. I think you know the answer.

Here is who benefits. The additional hunters who are now able to draw a tag that otherwise wouldn’t have due to a slightly lower success rate. Assuming you are issuing tag quotas based on harvest.

Those same hunters now have a chance at a more mature buck because a few bucks survived the previous season because they were out of range with a 9x.

The detriment of everyone else? Who loses their tag or opportunity in this case?

 

[elkassassin]

That 9X Is Kinda Supreme To My De-Magnifying 1X On My SmokePole!

Take The Rifle Hunters Down To A Maximum Of 2X Or If They Don't Like That They Can Go Open Sights!

 

[elkassassin]

The Average DRAT Eye Is 1.3 to 1.6 Power!

 

[Vanilla]

Assuming you are issuing tag quotas based on harvest.

You know what they say about “assuming.”

That certainly hasn’t been the practice in Utah. And even when our deer herds have increased pretty substantially, those extra tags you’re assuming will come haven’t come.

Maybe things will change this time though…

 

[slamdunk]

I remember waaaaaay back when I started hunting elk at 16 years old.

I hunted the Wasatch unit, Strawberry area, family cabin on the Soldier Creek side.

Killed my fair share of branch antlered bulls over the years, even one small barely a 6x6.

Then......

A group got together, familied up with the DNR, made a drastic change and pulled the rug right out from underneath me.

They told me I can't shoot branch antlered bulls anymore.

Guess where I still enjoy hunting spike bulls 30+ years later.........

 

[johnnycake]

Hypothetical....

Are ya still too chicken to answer straightforward, that you prefer Scenario A over Scenario B?

 

[slamdunk]

Are ya still too chicken to answer straightforward, that you prefer Scenario A over Scenario B?

I don't owe you anything Cupcake, the guy who gets his jollys off running over Doe's in Daddys big truck.
Nor will I waste another second of my time on you.

FYI......Those 5% two points wasted i mentioned did far less damage to a herd that that one cute little doe with big eye lashes you and Nilly laughed about digging out of Daddy's grill.

Crawl back under your rock.

 

[quest]

Putting 9x isn’t going change anything. Come on the harvest rate is low 22% it can’t get much worse. Most those bucks are probably harvested under 300 yards.

 

[Betterluckythangood]

Putting 9x isn’t going change anything. Come on the harvest rate is low 22% it can’t get much worse. Most those bucks are probably harvested under 300 yards.

I agree, most of those bucks were probably harvested under 300 yards and not many guys can pull off a 500+ yard shot under normal hunting conditions, however, you cannot keep improving the range and efficiency of weaponry at the same time while the deer numbers keep dropping without cutting more tags and expect to sustain the quality of our hunting currently. (Poor in general)

The pipe dream of “growing more deer” is just that, a pipe dream. (Delusion) You can help here and there and sustain them and populations will fluctuate but the idea that they increase dramatically is nonsense due to habitat loss alone.

Look ten years down the road.