Significant restrictions are being proposed in 2024 Novembers RAC's

[slamdunk]

Next time you talk to the top guy, pitch the 3-point or less every other year idea. I see no downside, and as he said, you never know if you don't try.

We're having a phone conversation tonight, I will definitely bring it up.

 

[johnnycake]

It’s really just managing people. Lol

And that's where I think some of the discussion in this thread gets muddled. Most of the proposals are people management with little goal of modifying the herd numbers or structure. But APR is both a people management strategy and one that modifies herd numbers and structure. And again and again, the result is not what APR advocates claim the goal that is supposed to be attained.
No long term improvement in buck ratios, either no long term improvement in "mature" buck ratios or decreases with greater than or equal to 4pts in ID being the exception for mature 3pts (full disclosure I haven't dug into ID and what's behind the table here, but not tracking compliance raises more than a few questions). But get this: decrease in total harvest but no total population increase from APRs...
Those certainly seem like negative biological outcomes.

 

[slamdunk]

And that's where I think some of the discussion in this thread gets muddled. Most of the proposals are people management with little goal of modifying the herd numbers or structure. But APR is both a people management strategy and one that modifies herd numbers and structure. And again and again, the result is not what APR advocates claim the goal that is supposed to be attained.
No long term improvement in buck ratios, either no long term improvement in "mature" buck ratios or decreases with greater than it equal to 4pts in ID being the exception (full disclosure I haven't dug into ID and what's behind the table here, but not tracking compliance raises more than a few questions). But get this: decrease in total harvest but no total population increase from APRs...
Those certainly seem like negative biological outcomes.
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I like this, thank you for sharing, it's very interesting.

 

[Simpleton]

I can completely agree and we still see that scenario today, but with wound and lost animals.

This is true, but wounding loss wouldn't go away with APR, so this would be in addition to the current loss we already see.

 

[huntin50]

I have read a lot of comments. I agree DWR needs to try a few other hunting options. More people and fewer deer.
II have hunted the Cache unit all my life. Helped a lot with conservation projects and had meetings over the years with DWR.
Fact: You can't stockpile bucks in an area that has a lot of winter kill every few years. What good is it to save more bucks, have them compete with pregnant does on limited winter range, then winter kill every few years.

Predator management will need to be managed and encouraged, we don't want higher predator numbers killing the bucks saved from a decrease in hunter success.

Saving more bucks in areas where winter kill isn't much of a problem, providing more hunting opportunity, with less successful guns and bows is a reasonable thing to try.

I have a life time license and didn't even bother to go hunting on the Cache, because poor deer numbers the past two years.

 

[quest]

Pine Valley is prime country for coyote hunting go getum.

 

[gundog2]

I used to hunt a unit in Idaho that had < 2 or 3 point antler restrictions (I can remember if it was 2 or 3). It was cool to see mature bucks on the landscape. My biggest complaint with a < 3 APR is that it is hard to prove something (a 4th point) is not there. Just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean that it is not there. With a 4 point requirement, you can be sure it is legal if you can count at least 4 points. I think it would be easier to mistake a four point for a three point, especially if things are happening fast.

 

[hossblur]

So, actually cutting opportunities from people rather than adding opportunity? That sounds like something I’ve been trying to suggest is the real outcome of this!




I actually think they know what they are doing, but just won’t be forthright in what that is. They certainly aren’t listening to the biologists.

How are they cut?

Telling folks which weapon they can use, IS NOT limiting oppurtunity.

I can't rifle hunt the archery hunt.


For the 7th time.

We are gonna need who "they" are

 

[elkassassin]

But Is Somebody Gonna Be PISSED When I Can't Remember Which Year We're On?

Or If I Make A Mistake Can I Just WASTE The Animal?

Next time you talk to the top guy, pitch the 3-point or less every other year idea. I see no downside, and as he said, you never know if you don't try.