Rangefinder Ban.....It's time

[30Hart]

Nope no knife either sharp rock only

I had to do that once forgot my knife...dont recommend that.

 

[lostinOregon]

Big stiffy,

You sound like our friends from WY who keep telling us that the 90/10 is coming and act like they are in charge of the state, and then nothing happens. You going to ban range finders all by your lonesome big fella?

Rich

 

[roadrunner]

Agreed. I haven't needed a range finder. The more you rely on high technology, the less instinctive you become. That my opinion.

A scope with MOA hash marks is a range finder once you learn to use it.

That, by the way, is an incorrect statement about instincts and technology. I suppose handheld GPS units should be banned as well and be forced to pack a topo laid out in a UTM grid system and use a conventional compass.

I've never needed a smoke break, so I don't see a need for anyone else to either...

 

[Bluehair]

Rangefinders don’t belong anywhere near the golf course.

 

[HikeHunt61]

I highly doubt range finders will ever be banned or limited. I’ve had them for years (stand alone unit, and integrated into binos) and only once did they actually assist in harvesting a big game animal. Even then, I almost certainly would have been successful without it- it just verified for me what I already instinctively knew (317 vs my 300 estimate). 95% of my elk, deer and antelope have been under 300 yards- and when you are zeroed at 200 that’s all you really need to know. I know there are those who believe they can consistently shoot further (or much further)- but there really aren’t that many professional snipers out hunting. Does a range finder locate the animal, or kill the animal? Nope. Now game cameras, that’s an interesting topic…

 

[rubucky]

I think Bigstiff brings up something we all should seriously think about and that is, how much technology is enough? Where does it all end? I know personally I had no opinion about trail cameras. I don’t have any, but I have several friends that use them on a few of their favorite waterholes and the pics were cool. Then this spring I talked to a guide who told me they put out over 90 cameras on their limited entry unit. This is mostly public ground and they cover almost every water hole, salt lick, crossing, bedding and feeding area. Most cameras are Wireless real time connection. They even put cameras on shed horn areas... And I now have an opinion.., and how much is enough? Is this fair chase?
I think this may be a generational thing, I’ve got over 40 years of hunting experience and I’ve seen a lot of changes but nothing like it is now and I’m very concerned. The first range finder I saw was in the 90’s on a Wyoming whitetail Hunt and it was good out to about 500 yds. Now they’re past 1500 yds and can be paired with Bluetooth to your scope. New scopes won’t need turrets because they’ll self adjust for range and angle and also include night vision and geothermal imaging and image stabilizing. Paired with new rifles, calibers and bullets we’ll be able to shoot farther than ever before. I don’t think all this technology is the reason for the decline in our big game herds but it definitely has an impact on age class and trophies. Also I don’t think it makes us better hunters, just more efficient killers. As hunters is this where we want to go? Just because we can should we? Is this fair chase?

 

[Bigwiffy]

Big stiffy,

You sound like our friends from WY who keep telling us that the 90/10 is coming and act like they are in charge of the state, and then nothing happens. You going to ban range finders all by your lonesome big fella?

Rich

When the baiting ban bypassed the wildlife board and put the power to pass the bill in the hands of the government that opened the door to an avenue we've never been down. It's now just a matter of who you know and what agenda you want to push. So am I going to pass it? No, but the baiting ban opened up Pandoras box. Didn't think that through when everybody was whining about baiting. With that said it will be entertaining to hear the crying when this tech bill is passed in the same manner.

 

[HikeHunt61]

With that said it will be entertaining to hear the crying when this tech bill is passed in the same manner.

Interested to know what state you are referring to with the tech bill...

 

[Founder]

I’d sure rather have a tag than not, and if to achieve that meant giving up some of my equipment, I’m good with that.

Get those restrictions in place and I’ll let some of my gear collect dust while I go hunting every year.

Opportunity is being lost each year and in my opinion it’s not worth it in exchange for hunters having a greater advantage over the game.

 

[Deerlove]

I see trail cams getting banned before range finders.

 

[hossblur]

It’s so true. It’s very obvious who hasn’t witnessed what happens on a GSL marsh opening day hahaha and they think this will be any different?

Are you 12?

You realize we hunted prior to range finders, right?

Some of us shot..........wait for it........open sights.

And I do hunt ducks, sky busters shoot a lot of shells, don't kill much.

So your concerned without range finders there will be alot of missing?

And btw, I'm old enough to remember when we hunted ducks with 2 3/4, lead. There was sky busters then too.

 

[roadrunner]

When the baiting ban bypassed the wildlife board and put the power to pass the bill in the hands of the government that opened the door to an avenue we've never been down. It's now just a matter of who you know and what agenda you want to push. So am I going to pass it? No, but the baiting ban opened up Pandoras box. Didn't think that through when everybody was whining about baiting. With that said it will be entertaining to hear the crying when this tech bill is passed in the same manner.

All the baiting ban did was become more in line what what several other states already do. Don't believe any of them say you can't use a range finder.

Even if you know how far something is, the animal still has the same "fair chase" aspects regardless if it is 200 yds or 510 yds.

It's actually easier to have a clean miss at 510 yds than at 200 yds giving the animal a better survival rate...

 

[Bigwiffy]

All the baiting ban did was become more in line what what several other states already do. Don't believe any of them say you can't use a range finder.

Even if you know how far something is, the animal still has the same "fair chase" aspects regardless if it is 200 yds or 510 yds.

It's actually easier to have a clean miss at 510 yds than at 200 yds giving the animal a better survival rate...

Hahaha nice logic, I've heard it all now!

 

[SS!]

All the baiting ban did was become more in line what what several other states already do. Don't believe any of them say you can't use a range finder.

Even if you know how far something is, the animal still has the same "fair chase" aspects regardless if it is 200 yds or 510 yds.

It's actually easier to have a clean miss at 510 yds than at 200 yds giving the animal a better survival rate...

That might be the funniest **** I've ever read. You should go do stand up comedy at hunting expos. Im dying over here...

 

[Deerlove]

"Even if you know how far something is, the animal still has the same "fair chase" aspects regardless if it is 200 yds or 510 yds.

It's actually easier to have a clean miss at 510 yds than at 200 yds giving the animal a better survival rate..."
WTF??

 

[LivingTheDream]

The issues isnt range finders. It is guys thinking they have the ability to shoot animals at ranges that they do not have the ability. It gives them a false sense of confidence.

I have a gun that is a "1000" yard gun with turrets and what not. I do not have the ability to shot that far. I do not have the ability to shoot 600 yards. In fact, in being completely honest with myself 450 is about my max and I need the right conditions to do it. Some may give me **** since this might be a chip shot to some but this is how far I practice and how far I am confident. The range finder isn't making me pull the trigger, it gives me one data point into making a decision on if I can make an ethical shot.

Take away the range finger and guys will be doing Kentucky yardage and Kentucky windage. I dont think guys will be less likely to pull the trigger and I doubt it changes people ethics. Just more stories of "well it was last light on the last day so I had to try it".

I think we owe it to the animal to be efficient killers. If a range finder helps with that then it should be used.

 

[HikeHunt61]

I couldn't have said it better than Living did. I would only add that a range finder can be used to show the animal is out of range.

 

[Bigwiffy]

The issues isnt range finders. It is guys thinking they have the ability to shoot animals at ranges that they do not have the ability. It gives them a false sense of confidence.

I have a gun that is a "1000" yard gun with turrets and what not. I do not have the ability to shot that far. I do not have the ability to shoot 600 yards. In fact, in being completely honest with myself 450 is about my max and I need the right conditions to do it. Some may give me **** since this might be a chip shot to some but this is how far I practice and how far I am confident. The range finder isn't making me pull the trigger, it gives me one data point into making a decision on if I can make an ethical shot.

Take away the range finger and guys will be doing Kentucky yardage and Kentucky windage. I dont think guys will be less likely to pull the trigger and I doubt it changes people ethics. Just more stories of "well it was last light on the last day so I had to try it".

I think we owe it to the animal to be efficient killers. If a range finder helps with that then it should be used.

I like your honesty. I disagree with you though. These smart rangefinders take all the guesswork out of your shot not just a data point. It has become common to take shots and kill animals at well over 600 yards. You absolutely need the rangefinder to have an exact shot formula. Take the rangefinder away and you are limited to the shot you know or are confident you can make. Undoubted when rangefinders go it will make the hunt more of a hunt, not just a shot/kill.

 

[desperatehills]

We really need fall to get here, someone suggest banning range finders and we are 118 post deep

 

[roadrunner]

Hahaha nice logic, I've heard it all now!

I only quoted your reply to make you look when it showed up in your notifications...

 

[roadrunner]

I like your honesty. I disagree with you though. These smart rangefinders take all the guesswork out of your shot not just a data point. It has become common to take shots and kill animals at well over 600 yards. You absolutely need the rangefinder to have an exact shot formula. Take the rangefinder away and you are limited to the shot you know or are confident you can make. Undoubted when rangefinders go it will make the hunt more of a hunt, not just a shot/kill.

That's why we need to keep dumb rangefinders that just tell you how far something is instead of giving the shooting "formula"(? w.t.h.).

Take away the RF and I'm still confident with a 500 yd shot. Maybe you should just practice more?

 

[Bigwiffy]

That's why we need to keep dumb rangefinders that just tell you how far something is instead of giving the shooting "formula"(? w.t.h.).

Take away the RF and I'm still confident with a 500 yd shot. Maybe you should just practice more?

Haha yes a formula based on humidity, shot angle, caliber, distance, windage, it is shooting not hunting.

 

[desperatehills]

My old eyes are not what they use to be. Maybe if range finders are banned I could have my eye doctor give me a note so I could apply for a special use permit

 

[LivingTheDream]

I like your honesty. I disagree with you though. These smart rangefinders take all the guesswork out of your shot not just a data point. It has become common to take shots and kill animals at well over 600 yards. You absolutely need the rangefinder to have an exact shot formula. Take the rangefinder away and you are limited to the shot you know or are confident you can make. Undoubted when rangefinders go it will make the hunt more of a hunt, not just a shot/kill.

I guess I should caveat this, I only use a dumb range finder. It tells me how far something is. I dont think it even compensates for angles. Sounds like I need to update my gear.

 

[elkhuntn247]

Haha yes a formula based on humidity, shot angle, caliber, distance, windage, it is shooting not hunting.

You got it all wrong bud. It’s bullet weight, ballistic coefficient, velocity, temperature, barometric pressure, altitude, humidity, sight height, distance, and shot angle. Now windage? That’s a variable. Can’t put math to that. Wind at the shooter vs wind on target could be different speeds... hell they could even be going opposite directions ??‍ But I do appreciate you trying to be educated to help your argument ?

 

[Bigwiffy]

You got it all wrong bud. It’s bullet weight, ballistic coefficient, velocity, temperature, barometric pressure, altitude, humidity, sight height, distance, and shot angle. Now windage? That’s a variable. Can’t put math to that. Wind at the shooter vs wind on target could be different speeds... hell they could even be going opposite directions ??‍ But I do appreciate you trying to be educated to help your argument ?

Haha thanks for proving my point.....sounds like I needed to pay attention more in physics class, instead I was probably on the mountain hunting....is it physics? Maybe Geometry? Either way it isn't hunting!

 

[elkhuntn247]

Haha thanks for proving my point.....sounds like I needed to pay attention more in physics class, instead I was probably on the mountain hunting....is it physics? Maybe Geometry? Either way it isn't hunting!

Your point of what? That you don’t know what you’re talking about...

 

[Cooper]

No sh!t,dudes will ramble post after post trying prove that they are right and everyone who disagrees with their way of thinking is wrong

We really need fall to get here, someone suggest banning range finders and we are 118 post deep

 

[Bigwiffy]

Your point of what? That you don’t know what you’re talking about...

I'm glad you can calculate your long range shots. Good luck doing it without your rangefinder. Maybe you can sneak up on them with your ebike?

 

[Bigwiffy]

No sh!t,dudes will ramble post after post trying prove that they are right and everyone who disagrees with their way of thinking is wrong

I'm just stating the facts of what's coming. Not trying to sway anyone's opinion. It won't matter what you or I think.

 

[elkhuntn247]

I'm glad you can calculate your long range shots. Good luck doing it without your rangefinder. Maybe you can sneak up on them with your ebike?

Can you show us where the range finder touched you? ???

 

[elkhuntn247]

Awe she’s bashful.

 

[roadrunner]

I'm glad you can calculate your long range shots. Good luck doing it without your rangefinder. Maybe you can sneak up on them with your ebike?

Once you have a trajectory (drop) table, which can be done at the house, a "smart" rangefinder is irrelevant because you know your holdover. Anyone can find the length from the brisket to top of back of any animal and can adjust elevation just by the way it looks in the reticle, so, they're range finding in a different way. Not much variation in +/- 25 yds if you shoot center of mass behind the shoulder.

People who actually know how their guns shoot will take those 600 yd shots anyway without a rangefinder. Snipers pre-tech did it all the time.

So, what's your point to all this other than you just don't like rangefinders and "thinking" UT is going to ban a device that horn porn outfitters rely on to get their rich, fat dentist clients a hero pic with the other 15 flat brimmers that spotted the animal?

You want to ban something, ban that...

 

[Cooper]

I'm just stating the facts of what's coming. Not trying to sway anyone's opinion. It won't matter what you or I think.

Just a self appointed information officer for monster muleys? Carry on

 

[Bigwiffy]

Once you have a trajectory (drop) table, which can be done at the house, a "smart" rangefinder is irrelevant because you know your holdover. Anyone can find the length from the brisket to top of back of any animal and can adjust elevation just by the way it looks in the reticle, so, they're range finding in a different way. Not much variation in +/- 25 yds if you shoot center of mass behind the shoulder.

People who actually know how their guns shoot will take those 600 yd shots anyway without a rangefinder. Snipers pre-tech did it all the time.

So, what's your point to all this other than you just don't like rangefinders and "thinking" UT is going to ban a device that horn porn outfitters rely on to get their rich, fat dentist clients a hero pic with the other 15 flat brimmers that spotted the animal?

You want to ban something, ban that...

That's great info......sooooo why do you use one? Why are you so upset about them getting banned?

 

[middlefork]

Ancient and modern rage finders.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1205/1205.2078.pdf

 

[elkhuntn247]

That's great info......sooooo why do you use one? Why are you so upset about them getting banned?

Wait... range finders are getting banned?

 

[Bigwiffy]

Ancient and modern rage finders.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1205/1205.2078.pdf

Haha very fitting "Rage" finders......this thread alone has sparked some rage. Wait til they are banned and we will really hear the whining.

 

[HikeHunt61]

That's great info......sooooo why do you use one? Why are you so upset about them getting banned?

Because they really don't change the game, and it's just one more law that our wonderful government(s) hoist upon us. If it were really a major factor in fair chase, I might be on board. But range finders are way down the list of things to worry about in that regard.

 

[Elkslayer2015]

How about this fix the drought we have been in for years and then will talk.
Nothing is going to fix the problem......

Mother nature is making her own rules RF are least of our worries.....

 

[elkhuntn247]

Haha very fitting "Rage" finders......this thread alone has sparked some rage. Wait til they are banned and we will really hear the whining.

Wait... range finders are getting banned?

 

[Bigwiffy]

Wait... range finders are getting banned?

Yes, but don't worry you can still go out in the desert and range rocks to kill at 1000 yards. Oh I forget you don't need yours, so don't stress about it.

 

[elkhuntn247]

Yes, but don't worry you can still go out in the desert and range rocks to kill at 1000 yards. Oh I forget you don't need yours, so don't stress about it.

No sh!t? Where are they getting banned?

 

[Bigwiffy]

No sh!t? Where are they getting banned?

Go get your entry in for Hunt Warz. Right up your alley!

 

[elkhuntn247]

Go get your entry in for Hunt Warz. Right up your alley!

Can I use a range finder?

 

[baerman]

This is a great popcorn thread!!! Keep it going...

 

[Cooper]

No sh!t? Where are they getting banned?

It’s classified, there is nothing more we can do! Just pray. Just Pray !

 

[roadrunner]

That's great info......sooooo why do you use one? Why are you so upset about them getting banned?

Starting to think your obsession with a "ban" is the reason for your username...

 

[Bigwiffy]

It’s classified, there is nothing more we can do! Just pray. Just Pray !

You an Elk can be partners on Hunt Warz. you can even sleep in the same sleeping bag. Put your rangefinders under your pillow to keep them safe.

 

[elkhuntn247]

You an Elk can be partners on Hunt Warz. you can even sleep in the same sleeping bag. Put your rangefinders under your pillow to keep them safe.

Come on man, I was hoping to partner up with you! You shoot... I’ll call out ranges. Deal? Deal.

 

[Bigwiffy]

Starting to think your obsession with a "ban" is the reason for your username...

Too bad your rangefinder doesn't measure in millimeters RR. If you calculate millimeters the same as a long range shooter you might come up with an inch??? You still won't be able to see it though. Tough luck!

 

[hossblur]

I chimed in a while back.

I'm still waiting for a single guy to explain why he NEEDS a rangefinder to shoot a deer.

Lots of stupid banter. Lots of blah, blah, blah.

Not a single guy has stepped up to tell us he can't shoot without a computer telling him how.

If your dependent on rangefinders and ballistic calculators, and it's not a big deal, why not publically celebrate it.?

 

[Cooper]

I chimed in a while back.

I'm still waiting for a single guy to explain why he NEEDS a rangefinder to shoot a deer.

Lots of stupid banter. Lots of blah, blah, blah.

Not a single guy has stepped up to tell us he can't shoot without a computer telling him how.

If your dependent on rangefinders and ballistic calculators, and it's not a big deal, why not publically celebrate it.?

I use one archery hunting because I can’t tell exact ranges and I don’t want to wound an animal. Not sure that is a popular thing to do but I’m guilty

 

[elkhuntn247]

I chimed in a while back.

I'm still waiting for a single guy to explain why he NEEDS a rangefinder to shoot a deer.

Lots of stupid banter. Lots of blah, blah, blah.

Not a single guy has stepped up to tell us he can't shoot without a computer telling him how.

If your dependent on rangefinders and ballistic calculators, and it's not a big deal, why not publically celebrate it.

You’re over here waiting for a “why does anyone need a range finder”.....

I’m over here waiting for some facts that they are actually getting banned...

I guess we are both just getting let down ?

 

[hossblur]

I use one archery hunting because I can’t tell exact ranges and I don’t want to wound an animal. Not sure that is a popular thing to do but I’m guilty

Archery and rifle are different, by about 1500 yrds

 

[hossblur]

You’re over here waiting for a “why does anyone need a range finder”.....

I’m over here waiting for some facts that they are actually getting banned...

I guess we are both just getting let down ?

So I'm still waiting?

I see Doyle's page from time to time, he's honest, puts the LR in front of the animal.

I've YET to see a dude posing with his ballistic computer, range finder, over a bait pile with a cam in the background.

It's ALMOST as if guys are ashamed? I wonder why?

 

[elkhuntn247]

So I'm still waiting?

I see Doyle's page from time to time, he's honest, puts the LR in front of the animal.

I've YET to see a dude posing with his ballistic computer, range finder, over a bait pile with a cam in the background.

It's ALMOST as if guys are ashamed? I wonder why?

Sorry hoss this thread is only about the fact of range finders being banned. Not the integrity of doing things in a primitive manner.

be like me shaming you for driving your truck to your hunting spot. Or using a computer/smart phone to sit on this forum and shame others for using modern tech and not choosing to be like you. Look around you... it’s 2021, I guarantee you use modern things on a daily basis to achieve an end goal. You are no better than anyone else. You hunt your way, and other people will hunt theirs. ?

 

[Bigwiffy]

They can't give an answer Hoss. The honest answer would be "I'm not willing to give up my tech, because I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to kill as easy"

 

[Bux n Dux]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe there are any states or countries that currently have outlawed the use of range finders for hunting purposes…. And you’re telling me that utah is going to be the first on that very short list?

I don’t think so.

 

[HikeHunt61]

When I was young (so long ago) my Dad and I hunted in blue jeans, Pendleton wool shirts, and leather jackets in Wyo. I killed my first 5 elk that way, several deer and antelope to boot. Then one year, after seeing hunting buddies where I moved to AZ wearing camos, I showed up wearing them to the Wyo hunt with Dad. He laughed his ass off- not kidding. "That's stupid, you have to use stealth and skills- no artificial clothing will make a difference"- or something to that effect. He eventually came around. Point is: you don't NEED camos to hunt. You don't NEED an Ackley Improved with a 15 power scope either. You don't NEED lots of things to shoot an animal. Problem is, so many people have become accustomed to small, incremental improvements over time it simply becomes a natural part of hunting. I put rangefinders in that category. Helpful, but not a game changer. I sympathize with those who feel long rangers are out of hand (I know there are some ethical ones, but far too many who are not). Banning range finders will not cure it though. Just don't see it...

 

[Bigwiffy]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe there are any states or countries that currently have outlawed the use of range finders for hunting purposes…. And you’re telling me that utah is going to be the first on that very short list?

I don’t think so.

Yes. Also the first to have Hunt Warz! Are you surprised?

 

[elkhuntn247]

I think Big is just still a little triggered from his “unsuccessful” email. Can’t stand the thought of the tag cut taking away from him... so he just wants to take away from others

 

[Cooper]

Archery and rifle are different, by about 1500 yrds

Yea, so did the op specifically say they were only outlawing them for rifle hunters? Guess I didn’t read that part. Will you highlight it for me?

 

[elkhuntn247]

Yea, so did the op specifically say they were only outlawing them for rifle hunters? Guess I didn’t read that part. Will you highlight it for me?

Don’t worry Coop, they ain’t going anywhere. ??

 

[Cooper]

Don’t worry Coop, they ain’t going anywhere. ??

I wouldn’t wanna muddy up this thread with facts

 

[scopenstalk]

I’d sure rather have a tag than not, and if to achieve that meant giving up some of my equipment, I’m good with that.

Get those restrictions in place and I’ll let some of my gear collect dust while I go hunting every year.

Opportunity is being lost each year and in my opinion it’s not worth it in exchange for hunters having a greater advantage over the game.

I completely agree with this. I don't care if I have to use a spear. I just want the chance to hunt big bucks. Even if my kill rate drops to once a decade.

 

[hossblur]

Sorry hoss this thread is only about the fact of range finders being banned. Not the integrity of doing things in a primitive manner.

be like me shaming you for driving your truck to your hunting spot. Or using a computer/smart phone to sit on this forum and shame others for using modern tech and not choosing to be like you. Look around you... it’s 2021, I guarantee you use modern things on a daily basis to achieve an end goal. You are no better than anyone else. You hunt your way, and other people will hunt theirs. ?

$50 says you've bitched about deer # being low, or lack of "quality" animals

 

[Bigwiffy]

Right? Where would the fun in that be? At the rate this is going BigDouche, and hoss will be rioting and screaming “defund the DWR”

Nah, pretty sure I'll get along just fine when the bill goes into place. You on the other hand may struggle. Even the thought of losing your rangefinder has thrown you through a loop. Interesting.

 

[elkhuntn247]

$50 says you've bitched about deer # being low, or lack of "quality" animals

Are deer numbers down? Yeah. Is quality down? Yeah. Is it because of hunting? No. Half the guys out there couldn’t kill a deer if it got in the truck with them.

I do recall back to back massive winters in 2015 and 2016 ? 90 something percent fawn mortality those years. And man I sure have been seeing a lot of bears and cats in places I’ve never seen them before...

Fawns grow up too you know. No fawns, no deer ?

 

[elkhuntn247]

Nah, pretty sure I'll get along just fine when the bill goes into place. You on the other hand may struggle. Even the thought of losing your rangefinder has thrown you through a loop. Interesting.

Still waiting for them facts Cause my resources claim otherwise ??‍

 

[Bigwiffy]

Still waiting for them facts Cause my resources claim otherwise ??‍

Coop isn't a reliable resource. This one won't go through the board. Easy sale in the senate, Cox is ready to sign it when it comes across his desk.

 

[elkhuntn247]

Coop isn't a reliable resource. This one won't go through the board. Easy sale in the senate, Cox is ready to sign it when it comes across his desk.

So you should have no problem posting the purposed bill?

 

[elkassassin]

Ban Them F'N 3" & 3-1/2" Chambered Shot Guns While You're Removing My SmokePole Scope!

 

[Bux n Dux]

Yes. Also the first to have Hunt Warz! Are you surprised?

No cuz New Mexico had hunt warz first. Research what you preach as factz! Utah hasn’t been featured in season 1 yet.

 

[Bigwiffy]

No cuz New Mexico had hunt warz first. Research what you preach as factz! Utah hasn’t been featured in season 1 yet.

Good for New Mex they should be proud!

 

[Bux n Dux]

Coop isn't a reliable resource. This one won't go through the board. Easy sale in the senate, Cox is ready to sign it when it comes across his desk.

Haha and you are?

the governor’s last name fits him well….

you’d think this one would make headlines in the public like the cam and bait bill did. Crickets.

just another no namer stirrin the pot.

 

[Bux n Dux]

Good for New Mex they should be proud!

You stated it was utah that had it first?

you’re spewing made up facts so fast you can’t remember them all

 

[Cooper]

You stated it was utah that had it first?

you’re spewing made up facts so fast you can’t remember them all

This isn’t about facts that became clear when all you heard was crickets from the op

 

[Bigwiffy]

Haha and you are?

the governor’s last name fits him well….

you’d think this one would make headlines in the public like the cam and bait bill did. Crickets.

just another no namer stirrin the pot.

Public doesn't have a say. Just like the bait ban. Surfaced and was done within a few months. Squeaky wheel gets the grease boys, and it's all about who you know these days. You all should know that by now. Quit stressing, lots of animals were killed pre tech boom. It just takes a little hunting skill. You can probably still hunt rabbits, rocks, maybe a coyote with your long range rigs.

 

[elkhuntn247]

Public doesn't have a say. Just like the bait ban. Surfaced and was done within a few months. Squeaky wheel gets the grease boys, and it's all about who you know these days. You all should know that by now. Quit stressing, lots of animals were killed pre tech boom. It just takes a little hunting skill. You can probably still hunt rabbits, rocks, maybe a coyote with your long range rigs.

You don’t have a long range rig?

 

[Bux n Dux]

You don’t have a long range rig?

He can’t afford one. Gay porn doesn’t pay very well from what I’m told.

 

[elkhuntn247]

He can’t afford one. Gay porn doesn’t pay very well from what I’m told.

I was gonna say he must be broke, and found his savage axis at the bottom of his cereal box ?

 

[Bigwiffy]

You stated it was utah that had it first?

you’re spewing made up facts so fast you can’t remember them all

I apologize I didn't know where Hunt Warz originated. Please give New Mexico, and SFW my deepest apologies. Also good luck in the Hunt Warz draw! I hope you get picked!

 

[Bigwiffy]

He can’t afford one. Gay porn doesn’t pay very well from what I’m told.

Your Dad gave you good advise.

 

[Bux n Dux]

I was gonna say he must be broke, and found his savage axis at the bottom of his cereal box ?

Wheaties. Bruc, errr… Caitlin Jenner. It’s all making sense now.

 

[Bux n Dux]

Your Dad gave you good advise.

He gave me even better advice. And that was to make sure you do everything in your power to ensure a quick clean kill. Knowing the exact yardage is definitely a big part of that.

Glad I got to know my dad. Smart man. Sorry you didn’t have that same fortune. Probably would have kept you out of the free porn industry. At least the gay part of it anyway. Railing shot out 50 year old milfs isn’t much better… but at least they don’t have a big stiffy wanting attention!

 

[elkhuntn247]

My dads advice to me was not to argue with stupid people. But here I am ?

 

[Bux n Dux]

My dads advice to me was not to argue with stupid people. But here I am ?

In person and on the internet, is 2 very different things.

 

[Bigwiffy]

He gave me even better advice. And that was to make sure you do everything in your power to ensure a quick clean kill. Knowing the exact yardage is definitely a big part of that.

Glad I got to know my dad. Smart man. Sorry you didn’t have that same fortune. Probably would have kept you out of the free porn industry. At least the gay part of it anyway. Railing shot out 50 year old milfs isn’t much better… but at least they don’t have a big stiffy wanting attention!

Nice. True colors come out. You guys are a trip. So worried about losing your rangefinders you turn into teenagers. Between you, elk and Coop who is going to cry the hardest when this bill passes?

 

[elkhuntn247]

In person and on the internet, is 2 very different things.

Well maybe they should ban the internet. Too many people like big getting their feels hurt

 

[Cooper]

What bill?

 

[elkhuntn247]

Nice. True colors come out. You guys are a trip. So worried about losing your rangefinders you turn into teenagers. Between you, elk and Coop who is going to cry the hardest when this bill passes?

After the beat down you’re getting for being a troll... I hope that sh!t passes ? I mean I’d just continue on breaking shoulders and punching tags ?

 

[elkhuntn247]

What bill?

Yeah I’m still waiting to see this bill as well.

 

[Bigwiffy]

My money is on Elk. He will ride off crying on his ebike. How big of chain you use to lock that thing up Peewee?

 

[Bux n Dux]

Nice. True colors come out. You guys are a trip. So worried about losing your rangefinders you turn into teenagers. Between you, elk and Coop who is going to cry the hardest when this bill passes?

I guess you when it gets crumpled up and gets used for something else by mr. cocks

 

[Bigwiffy]

After the beat down you’re getting for being a troll... I hope that sh!t passes ? I mean I’d just continue on breaking shoulders and punching tags ?

You must be so tough. Does Coop stroke your ego while you two ride tandem on your ebike?

 

[elkhuntn247]

My money is on Elk. He will ride off crying on his ebike. How big of chain you use to lock that thing up Peewee?

To be honest I borrowed that bike. I couldn’t buy one after the long range rig, and heat seeking bullets. But nice bike tho.

 

[elkhuntn247]

If you look at our usernames you’d know I’m into elk hunting. And bux n dux likes to hunt big bucks, appreciates a good wing shoot too.

BigStiffy... what you into? Besides Spencer Cox

 

[Bigwiffy]

To be honest I borrowed that bike. I couldn’t buy one after the long range rig, and heat seeking bullets. But nice bike tho.

Nice bull you killed. Congrats.

 

[elkhuntn247]

Nice bull you killed. Congrats.

Thanks. Shot it with my 1000 yard muzzleloader