Pyrenees and other livestock guard dogs in WY

SS! said:
Letters?
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Ya, BuzzH asked me to contact my legislators. I would use my shortwave radio but I am not sure what frequency they are on. But I bet BuzzH does, he has either an opinion or answer for every question posed regarding Wyoming.
 
Savage110 said:
Ya, BuzzH asked me to contact my legislators. I would use my shortwave radio but I am not sure what frequency they are on. But I bet BuzzH does, he has either an opinion or answer for every question posed regarding Wyoming.
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<insert South Park meme of guy touching doll to show where buzzH hurt your feelings >
 
idahomuleyhunter said:
Good. I'll bet between the money from Utah tags sold at sheep show and the western hunting expo this year you could buy out every sheep grazing lease in the state. And every state. But again it's illegal where I live. So saying a rancher is the highest bidder seems like bs to me.
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How's it illegal? We have all this power and influence
 
Title 36 Chapter 4 paragraph 5a(in part):

Provided however, that none of the proceeds generated from the auction of bighorn sheep tags pursuant to this paragraph be used to purchase or acquire private property or federally managed grazing permits, nor shall any proceeds generated be used for matching funds for the purchase of private property or the retirement or the acquisition of federally managed grazing permits.
 
idahomuleyhunter said:
Title 36 Chapter 4 paragraph 5a(in part):

Provided however, that none of the proceeds generated from the auction of bighorn sheep tags pursuant to this paragraph be used to purchase or acquire private property or federally managed grazing permits, nor shall any proceeds generated be used for matching funds for the purchase of private property or the retirement or the acquisition of federally managed grazing permits.
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You missed the point

The point is, the livestock lobby has more political pull than the hunting lobby so they get laws made
 
hossblur said:
You missed the point

The point is, the livestock lobby has more political pull than the hunting lobby so they get laws made
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I understand, it's changing. USFS retired some leasing on the Salmon recently. I don't think most hunters know enough about the issue to get involved. If there are 80k hunters in Utah, there sure aren't 80k sheep herders. Or any state. As stated above, write letters, vote. The economic impact of one wild sheep is higher than hundreds(maybe thousands) of domestic.
 
remmy6.5 said:
Got an invite to go coyote calling today, so I'd like to ask jm77 to monitor the internet while I'm gone. jm77 is going to have his eyeballs glued to a device, anyway, so might as well make his time useful. I'm sure his boyfriend Buzz will assist. The www depends on you two!
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Did you wear your camo manbun to go with your 6.5?
 
idahomuleyhunter said:
I understand, it's changing. USFS retired some leasing on the Salmon recently. I don't think most hunters know enough about the issue to get involved. If there are 80k hunters in Utah, there sure aren't 80k sheep herders. Or any state. As stated above, write letters, vote. The economic impact of one wild sheep is higher than hundreds(maybe thousands) of domestic.
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I'm all for that. The economic impact however is a whatever the tag price is. And not every tag pulls auction price. The majority pull resident price. And no, even today, the economy of sheep camp makers, wool mills, meat processors, restaurants and stores, and trucking outfits, dwarfs what wild sheep fetch.

And, to the public. A raise in prices at the store, so you and I can kill a wild sheep, is a tough sale. There all for wild sheep. Not as much for us killing them.

To them, what difference is there in a dead sheep from pneumonia vs. dead sheep from a bullet.

And, to circle back to the OP, there are WAYYYYYY more dog lovers than wild or domestic sheep lovers.

We as hunters aren't nearly the power we used to be. Mostly because we cut out other hunters. Our power, and industry might, is an afterthought. And with UT, and ID the 2fastest growing states, that power decreases, daily.
 
mulecreek said:
Be careful. Garcho is verb form of garchar. To F***.
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We had dinner together, but there was no F***s given. My dog and his together.

It works both ways . My lab got out when I was younger and killed some lamb’s from a local rancher. He knew me, knew my dog and didn’t shoot him. Most ranchers would have. I paid for damages.

The most devastating packs are domestic dogs, however that completely falls on incompetent owners. Same could be said about feral cats and small and upland game populations.
 
idahomuleyhunter said:
I understand, it's changing. USFS retired some leasing on the Salmon recently. I don't think most hunters know enough about the issue to get involved. If there are 80k hunters in Utah, there sure aren't 80k sheep herders. Or any state. As stated above, write letters, vote. The economic impact of one wild sheep is higher than hundreds(maybe thousands) of domestic.
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Letters?
 
This is quite the thread made of a non issue. Who cares, you should know enough to stay away from a dog who was put on the earth to protect sheep. Probably don't go near the sheep or the dog would be Good option. I've seen them out hunting pretty easy to avoid. Wow what a problem
 
Bookhead said:
This is quite the thread made of a non issue. Who cares, you should know enough to stay away from a dog who was put on the earth to protect sheep. Probably don't go near the sheep or the dog would be Good option. I've seen them out hunting pretty easy to avoid. Wow what a problem
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He lives in Wyoming. You can’t keep a Wyoming boy from his sheep. Love knows no bounds, and it’s legal in Wyoming!
 
Blank said:
Feral cats out in the boonies are a different story. If they're not on the porch, or around a farmhouse, they're targets!!

www.nola.com

Booming feral cat populations are a disaster, science says. Here are 15 reasons why.

Scientists estimate that between 60 and 160 million feral cats roam the United States. A recent letter writer claimed cats are the "answer to New Orleans' rat problem," but science
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There should only be one cat in the world and everyone takes turns to look at it…
 
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SS! said:
He lives in Wyoming. You can’t keep a Wyoming boy from his sheep. Love knows no bounds, and it’s legal in Wyoming!
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I live In wyoming and I'm not attracted to sheep haha but I know those sheep dogs are not to be messed with so I don't go near em problem solved
 
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Bookhead said:
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I live In wyoming and I'm not attracted to sheep haha but I know those sheep dogs are not be messed with so I don't go near em problem solved
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Hahaha yeah I know you do.

Seems like the guys having problems with sheep dogs might of been doing some sheepy stuff. Relationships can be difficult…
 
jm77 said:
I'm sure you don't believe bighorns just reside around Hwy 34 in area 19. I will pm you the answer.
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Just wondering where the sheep ranch is, I know full well bighorns are all over the Laramie Range.
Good grief.
 
Driving in from the field today this mean SOB bout Got hit by me. Rolled down my window said you meanie better walk away lol jumped up to visit, if I had there life I would be a mean SOB though ha
 
MEAN SOB !!

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Sheep guard dogs are not always friendly. I remember when a mountain biker in Colorado spent a month in the hospital after being mauled. I have no love for mountain bikers but I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I have had many encounters without incident but one night while hiking after dark I was charged by three of them. I believe that if it wasn't for bear spray I would have been in big trouble.


www.thedenverchannel.com

Mountain biker gets $1M after dog attack

A mountain biker attacked during a bike race in the Camp Hale area is getting $1 million to settle her lawsuit.
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remmy6.5 said:
So, what do you all think of those livestock guard dogs running around the Wyoming BLM with the sheep herds? Ever have a face-off with them? Mean, vicious SOB's. Pyrenees, Kangals and Antolians. Rawlins to Rock Springs, Pinedale, etc. Guard dog usage is current and rising

Imagine taking your 10 year old son and his lab pup on a bird hunt on public land. You've walked for about 2 miles and crest over a hill and then walk smack right into a herd of sheep (with no sheep herder in sight) and of 5 of those huge dogs. You had no idea, no warning, there was no signage. Bang, you've got yourself a situation.

They surround you and your son, circling, growling, charging, nipping. One grabs the lab pup by the throat and the others grab other end, ripping the the dog apart. What do you do?

You shoot and either would or kill. What's your liability?

Are you protected by any Wyoming state statute? These guard dogs are real and there are real encounters out there. Mountain bikers, rock hounds, bird watchers, hikers. It's just not a hunter issue, it's a public land user issue

Thoughts? Experiences?
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Dealing with the experience of Kengal/Anatolian guard dogs damaging my car as I drove slowly through a herd of sheep on a public road but rancher's argument it is Open Range. (Looking at doing a small claims saying the rancher's property damaged my property.) No signage was on road and I had NO dogs with me. They chased me and continued to damage my car for about 1 and a half miles. The cost of damage to my car is $2,300. There is definitely a public safety issue with these LGD (Livestock Guard Dogs)!!
 
Generally the meadow maggots are out of this country before bird season so I've never had an issue myself. but they absolutely can be aggressive, and they have been shot legally on public land. to say otherwise is ignorant.

If I were to have one attack my GSP's within the range of #6 shot they're dead and I don't give a FF what the repercussions are. the few run ins I've had with them in the summer have been less than friendly but nothing happened. hopefully never will.
 
Its an older thread, but a good one. Never really understood the intensity of these dogs until a few years ago coyote hunting in winter. Was about half a mile from a sheep herd and figured it a good spot to set up. Got comfy and let out a locator bark/howl, and sat quietly. I then let out a second one... and glanced in the direction of the sheep herd. Halfway there, I see three big white dogs coming towards me. It didn't take long for me to realize they were coming FOR me.! I got up and booked it up to my vehicle. I got in and the three Pyrenees came bursting through the cedars with murder on their minds 🤣 I was lucky I made it back... I left with them basically watching me go, I could see the disappointment in their faces. 🤣😁
 
Roberta said:
Dealing with the experience of Kengal/Anatolian guard dogs damaging my car as I drove slowly through a herd of sheep on a public road but rancher's argument it is Open Range. (Looking at doing a small claims saying the rancher's property damaged my property.) No signage was on road and I had NO dogs with me. They chased me and continued to damage my car for about 1 and a half miles. The cost of damage to my car is $2,300. There is definitely a public safety issue with these LGD (Livestock Guard Dogs)!!
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