Proposed Updated Draw System

[RRCowboyStar]

This will be voted on during the Nov 14-15 meeting. Lots of change is coming!

16.DrawChanges_Issue_Main.pdf

cpw.widen.net

 

[Mallardsx2]

These changes will help point creep, but they needed to be further reaching on taking peoples points IMHO.

 

[Simpleton]

These may help point creep in some areas, but for the top end units (assuming everyone understands the draw and doesn't burn 20 points on a second choice tag) you will be pulling half as many top point holders. Thus pushing the max points required for the preference draw higher, at twice the pace.

I don't oppose it, but there just isn't a good answer short of taking points if you acquire a tag (no matter the method of acquisition).

 

[vansterdam123]

...Thus pushing the max points required for the preference draw higher, at twice the pace.
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Exactly, preference points systems don't work. By going 50/50 preference/bonus, CPW is only going to make the creep worse on the preference side of the draw.

They will do this for a few years and then scrap preference points altogether when they figure this out.

 

[Togwotee]

Preference point systems work, you just have to have the points.

I like it the way it is. once I burn my 27 elk points you pull the rug out from under all those who've paid their dues. less max point tags means more point, creep end of story.

 

[vansterdam123]

Preference point systems work, you just have to have the points.

I like it the way it is. once I burn my 27 elk points you pull the rug out from under all those who've paid their dues. less max point tags means more point, creep end of story.

You have 27 elk points, so of course you want to see the preference systems remain.

With the preference tags cut to 50% of the total, you're about to get a big dose of the point creep that proves preference systems don't work (for anything but the lowest of demand hunts).

Hopefully you have a plan to settle for a lesser tag and get out of the game prior to the change to 50/50 preference/bonus.

 

[ORIONTHEHUNTER]

How about having to pick between moose, sheep, and goat now that is a kick to the sack to a lot of people especially residents

 

[Danny_Ocean]

Well, I know which species I’m going with on the “pick one” option.

 

[JBHunt]

And just like that we lost our chance at reissue tags

 

[Mallardsx2]

And just like that we lost our chance at reissue tags

A reissue tag worth 25 points in the primary draw should have NEVER ended up in the hands of someone with 0 points in the first place under the current system of preference points.

At least now, these tags are burning people’s points instead of being given out for free.

Reducing preference creep was one of the items that the dpwg was supposed to do in the first place. They barely managed to scratch the surface on that.

 

[Bluehair]

How about having to pick between moose, sheep, and goat now that is a kick to the sack to a lot of people especially residents

I was thinking we got ****** in the neck.

I would be pissed if I had a pile of points (which means you’re old) for the big 3. It’ll damn sure slow the point growth for them.

I am skeptical that the odds are statistically identical with the “bonus” draw. I’ll let the nerds argue over that one.

But I do believe that my odds for a moose tag are going up next year if they adopt this.

 

[diablo]

“All recommendations will be discussed and considered by the Commission in a three-step process (November, January and March), with final consideration and voting at the March 2025 Commission Meeting”

“Adopted policies/regulations will not be implemented until the 2028 draws in order to allow time for draw reprogramming”

 

[Mallardsx2]

“All recommendations will be discussed and considered by the Commission in a three-step process (November, January and March), with final consideration and voting at the March 2025 Commission Meeting”

“Adopted policies/regulations will not be implemented until the 2028 draws in order to allow time for draw reprogramming”

"Operation warp speed" as brought to you by the CPW as per usual. lmfao.

I did get a chuckle out of the colored lady who sits on the commission mentioning that there "wasn't enough time for public comment" on these topics and Haskett said that there had been public comment for MONTHS. The lady said she had not seen that. lol What a joke.

 

[txhunter58]

“The first choice preference point only hunt code for each species is eliminated under both alternatives”

In some ways I like this, but one consequence is that there will be MORE people applying for hard to draw tags every year, decreasing odds in the bonus draw for people wanting to actually draw that year.

Before there was a PP code in CO, what did you do when you couldn’t go that year but wanted to get a point? You put in for an impossible to draw tag. That is what people who just want a point will do for their first choice.

Example, in Utah I wanted to draw an elk tag most of all, so I put in for Henry’s deer every year instead of a tag I had a chance of drawing. Figured if lightening struck and I got that tag, I would go deer hunting. And I’m sure I’m the only one who did that. And it screwed with everyone’s odds.

 

[Bluehair]

“All recommendations will be discussed and considered by the Commission in a three-step process (November, January and March), with final consideration and voting at the March 2025 Commission Meeting”

“Adopted policies/regulations will not be implemented until the 2028 draws in order to allow time for draw reprogramming”

Well ****, I guess they go down next year.

 

[oldmossback]

I am sure this "BONUS" will mean significantly increased prices to apply? Basically like the "super" in Wyoming

 

[diablo]

It’s about time they limited the number of ram tags you can draw in a lifetime. I met an old dude on my moose hunt this year who claimed to have drawn 4 ram tags in CO!

 

[Danny_Ocean]

It’s about time they limited the number of ram tags you can draw in a lifetime. I met an old dude on my moose hunt this year who claimed to have drawn 4 ram tags in CO!

Its the luck of the draw, what unit you select and what weapon you use. I don't consider myself very old, but I've had 2 ram tags, 3 goat tags, a bull moose tag. I hope to pick up a cow moose next year, and try for one more ram tag. I got side tracked on the Desert ram, but I feel a guy actually has the chance to draw a Rocky.


I know some old school archers that were drawing S32 when it was archery only every other year or at least it seemed like it back in the day. I know they had 4-5 tags at least.

 

[Crampy]

First, that CPW commission doesn’t have the knowledge/courage to institute some of the good stuff in the DPWG recommendations.

Second, the preference point flooded mess in CO was allowed to exist for so long that it will take a generation for any changes made to drain the swamp.

 

[TKMulePacker]

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First, that CPW commission doesn’t have the knowledge/courage to institute some of the good stuff in the DPWG recommendations.

Second, the preference point flooded mess in CO was allowed to exist for so long that it will take a generation for any changes made to drain the swamp.

Colorado Draw Process reform is on Trumps first 100 days list, watch the F out.