Bluehair
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Yet this was ok.I wouldn't consider 90% of what Texas does as hunting
You takin the shot? I want to know what kinda guy I’m arguing with. Seems fair since you got me all figgered out.
Yet this was ok.I wouldn't consider 90% of what Texas does as hunting
Objection. Irrelevant. Unless you consider exactly the same thing relevant. Try again.Can’t argue that.
Your comparing shooting an elk on public land to shooting whitetails in a high fence or off a feeder?Yet this was ok.
You takin the shot? I want to know what kinda guy I’m arguing with. Seems fair since you got me all figgered out.
You’re the one defending slob hunting. And your silence on the most pertinent question speaks volumes.Your comparing shooting an elk on public land to shooting whitetails in a high fence or off a feeder?
So you don't hunt BLM that borders private?You’re the one defending slob hunting. And your silence on the most pertinent question speaks volumes.
Slobs everywhere thank you for your advocacy.
your the slob for judging people. why do you care what other people legally do?You’re the one defending slob hunting. And your silence on the most pertinent question speaks volumes.
Slobs everywhere thank you for your advocacy.
I already said I wouldn’t hunt elk in downtown T-ride, a question you refuse to answer.So you don't hunt BLM that borders private?
I don’t recall judging you. But notice that you did me.your the slob for judging people. why do you care what other people legally do?
it’s all the same thing shooting an animal and you can cook up whatever ethics you wana play, be it “deserves it” or not.
pick the adjective blue. i just used yours describing the hunter at the wedge.I don’t recall judging you. But notice that you did me.
Try to make an argument. I already addressed legal. I didn’t expect you to comprehend.
Not a Colorado law expert but in most states the County has no authority to regulate hunting. I highly doubt this will ever close to hunting but the County Commissioners could petition the state CPW to adopt an archery only rule.Most of them aren’t residents, and the residents are pretty apathetic. Except for stuff like this.
Its those pesky local activist politicians like county commissioners that will fix the loophole.
Am I the only one that thinks that more and more public land on the “urban interface” is being closed every day, because of exactly what this bonehead did? I personally know of several areas that can no longer be hunted. What am I missing? This guy isn’t a hero.Not a Colorado law expert but in most states the County has no authority to regulate hunting. I highly doubt this will ever close to hunting but the County Commissioners could petition the state CPW to adopt an archery only rule.
Most states always shut down any of the city’s ordinances which ban hunting inside its boundaries as it carries no legal weight on any lands open to public hunting access. It comes with the territory of who has the authority and mostly it’s the state in this case CPW.
Hunting holds a special place in most states law, which gives the state CPW all the legal authority. Generally, open lands available for public access are open to hunting. Exceptions could include lands administered by the National Park Service. Other federal lands agencies, like the the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management, specifically leave the regulation of hunting entirely up to the state.
I don’t recall judging you. But notice that you did me.
Try to make an argument. I already addressed legal. I didn’t expect you to comprehend.
I might check back when there’s some new ground to cover.
Are you that bored or just like to argue over the internet? Legal is legal...... ethics of the situation might be different than yours? Get over it.Am I the only one that thinks that more and more public land on the “urban interface” is being closed every day, because of exactly what this bonehead did? I personally know of several areas that can no longer be hunted. What am I missing? This guy isn’t a hero.
The residents and the tourists they depend on will get what they want, period.
No fancy lawyering will matter. This isn’t some trailer park south of the tracks*. These people have powerful voices, and they will use them.
And you won’t hear a thing. Because thats the way the world works.
Your post is naive and nothing but wishful thinking.
* They have ample opportunity for land swaps and such. Land ownership derived from old mining claims often produces odd shaped parcels - like tis piece that’s basically an easement that’s “owned” by the USFS. Refer to the onx map I already posted if you don’t believe me.
Those people in Telluride want hunting closed down everywhere for the most part anyways. This guy didn’t change those peoples minds with that one incident. As more and more people stop hunting, they no longer relate to the North American conservation model. The fact remains the herd needs controlled. I don’t know the area well enough but from what you describe it sounds like the perfect area for an Archery only season. That can only come from the state. It is Illegal for cities and counties to pass legislation which affects hunting. The CPW is legally charged with that duty. Your Ignoring that fact makes you appear very Naive. I get it, the guy pushed the line on what is legal vs. what is ethical. We had two old bozos from Minnesota recently did the same thing in Wyoming near Jackson by shooting a herd up on a small island in the middle of the Snake river, they shot from the bank then could not get out to the dead elk. The locals use a high use walking trail in that area and were not impressed. If you feel strongly about what occurred I suggest you contact CPW but county commissioners and city officials don’t have the power to change hunting laws, that power rests with the state.Am I the only one that thinks that more and more public land on the “urban interface” is being closed every day, because of exactly what this bonehead did?
You should block me.Are you that bored or just like to argue over the internet? Legal is legal...... ethics of the situation might be different than yours? Get over it.
Ok we get it.
1. You know the area
2. You would not hunt it
3. You think your opinion is the only and right one.
4. Keep repeating the above 3.
Your ONX snips will help people in there planning for next year. I am sure you will get some PM's for more info
If they close it, great for you and your ethics and you can smile knowing the wedge is safe. If not it will be hunted again next year. Apparently it is a hot spot for bow hunters. And now will be even more so.
I am sure he lights a candle every night.Dang your still here? Figured you were helping paint the memorial for the dead "pet" elk
Thanks for letting us know that. Many Texans will lose sleep over it I am sure.I wouldn't consider 90% of what Texas does as hunting
David, if you don’t start being nicer people will stop asking to hunt on your place.Thanks for letting us know that. Many Texans will lose sleep over it I am sure.
But those of us that understand the psychology behind statements like that, will sleep just fine.
You just keep on shooting those deer off of a feeder or behind a high fenceThanks for letting us know that. Many Texans will lose sleep over it I am sure.
But those of us that understand the psychology behind statements like that, will sleep just fine.
Poor old tx…… You might have been to t-ride, but I see you haven’t been to tx’sYou just keep on shooting those deer off of a feeder or behind a high fence
And you keep shooting them from 800 yds.You just keep on shooting those deer off of a feeder or behind a high fence
So you shoot deer off a feeder and you wanna give a guy grief about shooting a public land bull? Makes senseAnd you keep shooting them from 800 yds.
Never shot one behind a high fence, that would be about like shooting one in Telluride’s back yard.
Yep it's crazy to see so many "hunters" on this site that are alright that the leaf lickers, bikers, hikers, etc. don't want hunting on public land
I'm with you!!
Nothing screams hunter more than being able to grab Starbucks on the way to gut the elk you shot.
Bluehair and gunnihunter are you guys against the Wasatch extended archery hunt in Utah? Is it only for slob hunters?
your the slob for judging people. why do you care what other people legally do?
it’s all the same thing shooting an animal and you can cook up whatever ethics you wana play, be it “deserves it” or not.
My previous question never got an answer... What type of death would have been more acceptable for this elk..? Starvation.? Hit by a car.? I would much rather a legal hunter harvest an animal than have it succumb to ANY OTHER type of death...
Right back at you. You defend a guy for shooting a tame bull in Colorado in someone’s back yard, and badmouth anyone who shoots deer on a feeder?? My ranch is 30 miles from the nearest town and if a deer at a feeder sees a human, they run. I suspect the elk just looked up when he saw the hunter and then went back to eating.So you shoot deer off a feeder and you wanna give a guy grief about shooting a public land bull? Makes sense
Not chiming in to poke the bear. Just stating my opinion, I wouldn’t consider this much of a “hunt” and wouldn’t do it for the same reason I do not own trail cameras or use guides or hunt private land. However, I do think it’s hilarious that this guy killed Oprah’s pet elk and for that I’d like to give him a high five. People who don’t like hunting and or hunters aren’t ever changing that position, no matter the “ethics” involved in the harvest ?I don’t know. You takin the shot?
No the t-ride residents, need toYou guys really need to go to T-ride to see how dumb this was. The ”hunter” needs a tune-up.
I would have charged his dumb azz a trespass fee, just like I will the next dickhole who wants to play games with MY boundaries.
No- the residents of t-ride, are 100% anti hunting they do know. What the word neutral or middle ground is, they're a bunch of cali/ny transplant yuppies, its, partly their money and votes that brought wolves, to coloradoMight be the case with the locals, although the optomist in me wants to believe some of them are pretty neutral to hunting issues until some bozo goes off the rails. And of course, the resulting publicity also taints other voters throughout the state.
I don't know, there are a few, of my family members I'd be willing to shoot in the kneecaps so they couldn't get away , then sit back & enjoy watching them get ripped into pieces and digestedYou would have to be a sick son of the ***** to want to watch a wolf tear apart a human, regardless if he was a hunter
$500 is cheap for an elk hunt in ColoradoHow about an update. He’s officially a trespasser at the least, an offense some here think makes you a ”poacher”.
Good luck in the wedge this year.
Non-Resident Hunter Pleads Guilty to Firearms Charge After Taking an Elk Outside a Colorado Ski Town
After causing a stir in Telluride last fall, the out-of-state hunter was charged with carrying a firearm on the Valley Floor.www.outdoorlife.com
They’re watered with the tears of NR’s hunters who are rapidly losing the respect of the people who live here.Now Bluehair can go water the tree he planted in honor of the elk. Maybe light a candle or 2?
Are there still no pics of this elk and hunter?
Shooter bull....looks like a 6x6. Thanks for posting SJS. This story has controversy written all over it. Would it be a different story if the method of take was archery equipment?View attachment 73625
Not a good pic but here he is before the deed was done.
They’re watered with the tears of NR’s hunters who are rapidly losing the respect of the people who live here.
I gave a trespassing poacher a pass this year…..never again. The next one won’t be hunting in my ’hood for 5 years min. And if I can, I will make it as rough on the “outfitter” as I can.
”Problem is people will try and loophole everything”. Recall who said that? But you still don‘t see it do you?
Thats right….you shared that loophole wisdumb.Roll your eyes all you want, this was not a loophole. Your just bitter. Water the tree, light a candle. Hold hands with the other tree huggers and cry for the bull. Sorry your pet elk got shot
Remarkable how many here defend the indefensible.It's losers like the guy who did this that make people hate hunters. NR hunters even more so.
He knew it was a low life thing to do and he did it because he's a low life.
WTF are you babbling about? I think you slipped a cog trying to wrap your mind around how you plead guilty after enjoying your legal and honorable hunt.Bluehair, big difference in a loophole for some dimwit to try and get away with running trail cams and somebody legally killing a bull on public ground.
Respect for your elders is another foundational principle of a civilized societyYour dementia is showing. Please take your meds.
Respect is earned. Show some to get some.Respect for your elders is another foundational principle of a civilized society
Defending dooshbag trespassing poachers will earn you some fer shureRespect is earned. Show some to get some.
Teach don't preach.
Take your meds. I mean that in the most respectful way.
You obviously didn't read my post.All of the people with pro killing opinions have never been there. If any of you had witnessed the elk on the valley floor during the hunting seasons would realize that there was no hunting involved in the killing of the bull. Go to the zoo or Estes Park or Yellowstone and kill the bull of someone’s dreams. Your weak and stupid arguments are just that. Just shut the f __k up. No one wants to hear you but your ignorant selves.
Yeah, I took the liberty of expanding the definition of poacher to include someone who commits a crime in the taking of game. That doesn’t work for you?Being a-hole earns you nothing.
Poacher? No
The ground that the elk was killed on is public land.....but they say the elk are like "town elk" and all should know it. It is a sketchy piece of property as it is pretty much in town or on the outskirts so take that for what it is worth. It's a debate that won't go away and no one will win.I’m not super informed on the situation, I was under the impression an elk was legally killed on public land very close to town. If I am mistaken I apologize. The infighting between hunting will be our downfall and there are tags available in these areas to reduce the herds for various reasons.
Hunters have a hard time in general winning as it is. At least half the population doesn’t like hunters doing what hunters do best, kill Bambi. I don’t care much for high fence hunting, hunting over a corn feeder or for guided hunts for that matter but they are legal and who am I to say how one can hunt as long as it’s legal. We can always lobby to get it changed but as long as it’s legal people are going to continue to hunt that way.The ground that the elk was killed on is public land.....but they say the elk are like "town elk" and all should know it. It is a sketchy piece of property as it is pretty much in town or on the outskirts so take that for what it is worth. It's a debate that won't go away and no one will win.
Agree with most of your post but I don’t think a wild animal is anybodies pet. Not everybody possesses the same core values or morals you and I do.Lots of things are legal but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. if you want to ensure hunting goes away just adopt the attitude public sentiment doesn't matter.
I've always tried to be a responsible sportsman and look out for the resources as well as the public image of the sport. when I'm hunting out of state I try even harder I'm a guest and want the locals to know I respect their laws and the area I'm hunting. I'm not driving around tossing beer cans out the window, shooting up road signs and I'm sure as hell not going to shoot their pets on the edge of town whether it's legal or not.
It's disappointing anyone would defend what this clown did it gives another unwanted insight to the mindset of the slob hunter.
Yep, some want more ski resorts, tourist shops and homes rather than hunters.Maybe they should keep the elk out of town if they don't want people killing them on public land. Probably be the wise choice here
That was why I suggested turning that wedge into a "Park" or "refuge"....I'm sure that wouldn't be that difficult considering what a huge argument it has created on MonsterMuleys.com. If they only knew of the battle that lies on these 2 pages of thread....Maybe they should keep the elk out of town if they don't want people killing them on public land. Probably be the wise choice here
I posted this on another thread: Something to think about, What if we ban all Non Resident Hunters?I thought the topic was pretty simple - should the NR should have known it was dumb to march into the middle of town and shoot the elk the tourists take pictures of.
We should take a page from Wyoming’s book and make all non-residents hire a guide. Especially for those tricky in-town hun
Good bye Mom and Pop diners and numerous hotels.....or hello business loans to get through October-March. Good bye VRBO and Airbnb revenue. Every state needs NR hunters regardless of what anyone says.I posted this on another thread: Something to think about, What if we ban all Non Resident Hunters?
So if you issued all NR tags to residents do you think all of those business would still go under. They survive 8 or 9 months out of the year without NR. No doubt NR and hunters in general bring in millions a year to communities.Good bye Mom and Pop diners and numerous hotels.....or hello business loans to get through October-March. Good bye VRBO and Airbnb revenue. Every state needs NR hunters regardless of what anyone says.
Interesting. I don’t head out of State to support local business, I head out to hunt and I support some of them along the way. I take much of what I need with me. I gas up along the way and maybe have a meal or two. I do this in State as well when I’m traveling 7+ hours to hunt. 50/50 sounds fair to me on National Forest land.I am sure that I am not the minority when it comes to heading out of state wanting to support the local businesses. We leave our town pretty much empty handed and WANT to buy groceries at the local supermarket. We WANT to buy beer/gatorade etc at the local liquor store. We WANT to eat any meals while in town at the Mom and Pop diners. We KNOW that our money is what they depend on or is a big contributor to them staying afloat. That being said, every state should have a 50/50 tag split between resident and non-resident. Lets put this plan in motion...