NOW WE GOT PEOPLE SQUAWKING ABOUT DEDICATED HUNTERS???

[elkassassin]

Maybe They Can Get A F'N Committee Going?

At About 4:00:57 Listen To This Guy!

I Got News For This Guy!

NOT ALL DEDICATED HUNTERS ARE POACHERS!

Ya,I'm Sure There's A Few!

But There's A Few Within All The Types Of Hunts!

If They Wanna Be Pissed At The DWR For Not Using The Money For The Proper Things That's One Thing!

Sounds Like He's Mad Because He Can't Hunt All 3 Weapon Types/Seasons!

I'll Agree With Them That We Should Keep The Projects Deer Related!

WTF Is Next?

 

[middlefork]

Between myself and a group of 7 friends we have been DH for roughly 15 years. I think the total bucks killed have been 4. Are we piss poor hunters or selective? Whatever we don't seem to be trashing the herd.

As for hours I'm afraid as I get older I would much more prefer to buy hours than try to jump through the project hoops.

 

[elkassassin]

The Year Before Last I Turned My Tag Back In!

Went Right In To Their Office & Turned It In!

Last Year My Tag Just Wasn't Showing Up!

I Called Them & That Was No Help!

Then I Made A Trip To Their Office & Got My Tag!

I Hear You middlefork!

Between The DEDICATED POACHERS & THE SMOKEPOLERS We Must Be Destroying The Herd!

 

[notdonhunting]

24 years of being a dedicated hunter and I have killed 5 bucks (zero pisscutters)

 

[elkassassin]

Hey notdon!

We'll Add you To The Shhitlist Too!

How Many Of The 5 Did You Poach?

24 years of being a dedicated hunter and I have killed 5 bucks (zero pisscutters)

 

[Vanilla]

Bessy is a dedicated poacher? Throw the book at him!

These folks are guiding policy. Just take that in for a bit.

 

[elkantlers]

My biggest beef with the DH program is a lot of the projects are just busy work the DWR doesn't have time or people to do. They don't help muledeer or habitat. Helping gill net reservoirs is a good project, but not for DH's.

I know people that have bought atv tires, chains saws and a printer for their DH hours. That's not what the program was designed for.
Any hours bought should be paid in cash and 100% should be used to actually help grow deer.

 

[elkassassin]

Ya!

I 'Stihl' Wonder What The E-Saws Cost Hossy This Year?

My biggest beef with the DH program is a lot of the projects are just busy work the DWR doesn't have time or people to do. They don't help muledeer or habitat. Helping gill net reservoirs is a good project, but not for DH's.

I know people that have bought atv tires, chains saws and a printer for their DH hours. That's not what the program was designed for.
Any hours bought should be paid in cash and 100% should be used to actually help grow deer.

 

[notdonhunting]

Hey notdon!

We'll Add you To The Shhitlist Too!

How Many Of The 5 Did You Poach?

5
According to that guy.

 

[Tristate]

Like I said before. Who will be next?

"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"

Every one gets divided up and chopped one at a time little by little and then there's nothing left.

 

[FixedBlade]

Someone explain, because he didn't. Why do they refer to it as dedicated poacher in his neck of the woods? Just because they get more opportunity based on the barrier to entry? Which is the hours worked or paid for and the cost of the tag each year?

I agree the money should be going to mule deer habitat and other forms of help for the deer, but I'm dying to understand the rational, because to me it feels like quite the stretch to say all the hunters in the program are poaching. Do they just have a poaching problem down there and they need someone to point the finger at? I'm pro at playing devils advocate and can't understand the point of view

I'm really considering joining DH next year.

 

[dragonfly4]

I've worked hours I've paid hours I haven't killed a deer in a long time. Didn't think it was an issue but I'd be careful what they wish for should elk be elk money should deer be deer money and so on. My guess I get both sides. My question is does the dwr officer have to clock out to get his hours to cover their dedicated hours or is that written off with pay?

 

[southernutahhunter]

Why don’t we use our dedicated hunts to help count deer.. we all agree there is a big decline in deer. Let’s get a more accurate count as a starting point

 

[elkantlers]

Why don’t we use our dedicated hunts to help count deer.. we all agree there is a big decline in deer. Let’s get a more accurate count as a starting point

Do you know one, two, skip a few ninety nine, one hundred? That's how the UDWR counts.

I talked to a biologist that was counting deer on the winter range and was commenting on how few bucks I was seeing. He told me, with a straight face, that I was only seeing 25% of the bucks and that for every buck he saw he counted it as 4 bucks.

 

[BrowningRage]

I haven't been a DH before and haven't had much thought on it other than I didnt like that a person's hours could be purchased. I think that literally takes the Dedicated out of the term Dedicated Hunter. At that point its just a Richer-Than-Some Hunter program where you get to pay to hunt much more frequently than others.

 

[Downrange]

Between myself and a group of 7 friends we have been DH for roughly 15 years. I think the total bucks killed have been 4. Are we piss poor hunters or selective? Whatever we don't seem to be trashing the herd.

As for hours I'm afraid as I get older I would much more prefer to buy hours than try to jump through the project hoops.

And if a guy can afford to buy his hrs more power to him. Who is to say what the hell we can spend our hard earned money on. Just like jimmy john spending 500,000 for a mule deer tag. Good hell more power to him. If I could afford it I would buy one too.

 

[southernutahhunter]

We have dedicated hunters in every unit that they love to hunt and want to see deer herds increase. Give them a grid system to go out and physically count the deer herd. Let’s start from a baseline of how many deer we are actually talking about.

 

[Downrange]

Someone explain, because he didn't. Why do they refer to it as dedicated poacher in his neck of the woods? Just because they get more opportunity based on the barrier to entry? Which is the hours worked or paid for and the cost of the tag each year?

I agree the money should be going to mule deer habitat and other forms of help for the deer, but I'm dying to understand the rational, because to me it feels like quite the stretch to say all the hunters in the program are poaching. Do they just have a poaching problem down there and they need someone to point the finger at? I'm pro at playing devils advocate and can't understand the point of view

I'm really considering joining DH next year.

Join it you will love it

 

[Wes]

Forget the complaints about the dedicated hunters and the lifetime license holders and all the other excuses. These are just smoke and mirrors to distract from the real agenda. Remember the statement "All hunting should be privatized and sold to the highest bidder" ? The most relevant comment I heard was from Brandon Richmond. Listen to his comments from 1:41:50 to 1:44:54. Be carefull what you wish for.
Wes

 

[rmanwill]

been in the DH program three different times. Always completed my hours (I have no problem with other's buying them).

Of the nine years I was in program I never hunted the archery or the rifle seasons. Always just the muzzleloader season. Tagged fewer deer while in the program then when on just a regular tag.

Dedicated allows me to be in the hills with the weapon of my choose and killing a deer is way down the list from time in the hills, time with family and friends and just making memories.

 

[Bigwiffy]

been in the DH program three different times. Always completed my hours (I have no problem with other's buying them).

Of the nine years I was in program I never hunted the archery or the rifle seasons. Always just the muzzleloader season. Tagged fewer deer while in the program then when on just a regular tag.

Dedicated allows me to be in the hills with the weapon of my choose and killing a deer is way down the list from time in the hills, time with family and friends and just making memories.

This is the logic I don't understand. Why not just put in for muzzleloader then? It doesn't surprise me all the comments saying you never kill deer as a dedicated hunter. Everyone DH I know never gets serious about any of the hunts. They'll go out on the archery hunt scouting for the muzzy hunt, go out on the muzzy hunt scouting for the rifle hunts. I think the program has ran its course and isn't doing what it was initially intended to do. It's just become another money grab for the Division.

 

[rmanwill]

This is the logic I don't understand. Why not just put in for muzzleloader then? It doesn't surprise me all the comments saying you never kill deer as a dedicated hunter. Everyone DH I know never gets serious about any of the hunts. They'll go out on the archery hunt scouting for the muzzy hunt, go out on the muzzy hunt scouting for the rifle hunts. I think the program has ran its course and isn't doing what it was initially intended to do. It's just become another money grab for the Division.

Because it takes points to draw DH and also to draw regular. When I draw a DH I get a tag for 3 years running, which is a bonus and worth the cost and the hours required. Only hunt my preferred weapon and save a deer.

 

[middlefork]

This is the logic I don't understand. Why not just put in for muzzleloader then? It doesn't surprise me all the comments saying you never kill deer as a dedicated hunter. Everyone DH I know never gets serious about any of the hunts. They'll go out on the archery hunt scouting for the muzzy hunt, go out on the muzzy hunt scouting for the rifle hunts. I think the program has ran its course and isn't doing what it was initially intended to do. It's just become another money grab for the Division.

Why exactly do they need to meet your definition of serious? As if you can grade the term.

Is there some integral harm caused by people having tags and not killing deer? By their choice?

One thing about not having a tag is that you can't legally even hunt.

 

[Bigwiffy]

Why exactly do they need to meet your definition of serious? As if you can grade the term.

Is there some integral harm caused by people having tags and not killing deer? By their choice?

One thing about not having a tag is that you can't legally even hunt.

I'm not giving a definition of serious. I do know from personal experience I've had several deer blown out, stalks blown up by guys that have later said in their own words "we are sorry, we didn't know you were there. We don't get that "serious" on the archery hunt. We use it as an excuse to scout for the muzzleloader and rifle hunts" If the dedicated hunter program has just become a loophole to get a tag then its not doing what it was intended.....sorry.

No other state runs a dedicated hunter program. I do think it has done some good, great projects have been done, but in my opinion I think it's ran its course.

Pick your weapon/hunt and go hunt it. Leave the pamphlet folding to the admin.

 

[Shadow]

So nobody else should be out during the archery hunt?

 

[Bigwiffy]

So nobody else should be out during the archery hunt?

Other archery hunters absolutely. Half hearted, mamby pamby gun hunters getting in the way just to be out there....Nope.

Archery guys aren't out dinkin around on the gun hunts. Pick your weapon and get after it.

 

[elkassassin]

Where Ya Been Wiff?

 

[middlefork]

If the dedicated hunter program has just become a loophole to get a tag then its not doing what it was intended.....sorry.

It is no more of a loop hole to get a general season tag than any other general season tag. You still need to draw. On top of that is added expense both in tag fees and hours. You can only kill one deer a year and only two in a three year period.

If the percentage of DH is your heartburn there is nothing I can argue with. You still won't be hunting as often as you wish.

 

[Bigwiffy]

It is no more of a loop hole to get a general season tag than any other general season tag. You still need to draw. On top of that is added expense both in tag fees and hours. You can only kill one deer a year and only two in a three year period.

If the percentage of DH is your heartburn there is nothing I can argue with. You still won't be hunting as often as you wish.

I don't care one way or another. I've given my opinion and my opinion doesn't mean anything. What I do find hypocritical is a lot of the same guys that yelled from the mountain tops to ban bait and cameras are now crying as they are coming after their scopes, dedicated hunter program etc. Now the creed is "we need to stay united as sportsman" pffft where was that when all this BS started??? Get used to losing your hunting freedoms one piece of legislature at a time now Pandoras box is opened.

The only reason DH may stay relevant is the money it brings. Pounding your chest that you haven't killed a buck in 10 years hasn't done a bit a good for the health of the herd like you think it has, the next guy that drove up the road behind you pounded that bucks dick in the dirt that you "saved"

 

[elkassassin]

I don't care one way or another. I've given my opinion and my opinion doesn't mean anything. What I do find hypocritical is a lot of the same guys that yelled from the mountain tops to ban bait and cameras are now crying as they are coming after their scopes, dedicated hunter program etc. Now the creed is "we need to stay united as sportsman" pffft where was that when all this BS started??? Get used to losing your hunting freedoms one piece of legislature at a time now Pandoras box is opened.

The only reason DH may stay relevant is the money it brings. Pounding your chest that you haven't killed a buck in 10 years hasn't done a bit a good for the health of the herd like you think it has, the next guy that drove up the road behind you pounded that bucks dick in the dirt that you "saved" Would That Kinda Be Like removing Scopes On SmokePoles In Hopes It Helps Just A Little Bit Only To Let The Rifle/LONG RANGERS Smack What Was Saved?

 

[Bigwiffy]

I don't mind listening to you whimper about your muzzy scope. You were on your megaphone bitching about bait and cameras. This ban wagon is just getting rolling Bess!

 

[elkassassin]

I Asked A Question Wiff?

You Gonna Answer?

Or Not?

I Was Bitching About Trail-Cams?

I Was!

You Heard Me Say Several Times They Were Outa Hand!

I don't mind listening to you whimper about your muzzy scope. You were on your megaphone bitching about bait and cameras. This ban wagon is just getting rolling Bess!

 

[elkassassin]

I Ain't Got A Problem With Taking Scopes Off SmokePoles!

But I Did Say If They're Gonna Take,They're Gonna Take Equally From All 3 Weapon Types!

I Guess You Didn't Like That?

 

[Shadow]

Other archery hunters absolutely. Half hearted, mamby pamby gun hunters getting in the way just to be out there....Nope.

Archery guys aren't out dinkin around on the gun hunts. Pick your weapon and get after it.

I suppose you don’t like campers, hikers, bikers, leaf pickers or picture takers out during YOUR archery season either? Good luck, I hope one day you find a mountain all to yourself.

 

[Bigwiffy]

I suppose you don’t like campers, hikers, bikers, leaf pickers or picture takers out during YOUR archery season either? Good luck, I hope one day you find a mountain all to yourself.

I don't mind any of those folks out enjoying their public land. I do have an issue with numb nutted rifle hunters pretending they are bowhunters.

 

[Bigwiffy]

I Ain't Got A Problem With Taking Scopes Off SmokePoles!

But I Did Say If They're Gonna Take,They're Gonna Take Equally From All 3 Weapon Types!

I Guess You Didn't Like That?

You howled like a gut shot coyote to ban bait and cameras. You still whine about bait every chance you get. It all makes sense that you hate seeing archery guys kill good bucks, you want them "saved" so you can pound them with your long range muzzy. Now you won't have a scope on your muzzy you better be ready to wipe your tears and don your pumpkin suit! I'm onto you you old mangy feline! ?

 

[Vanilla]

A whiny entitled bow hunter acting whiny and entitled?

You don’t say?!?!?

 

[elkassassin]

You're Way Off Wiff!

My Long Range SmokePole,Now That's Funny!

I Hate Seeing Archers Kill Good Bucks?

GEEZUS!

I Guess Me Calling Archer Hunters StickFlippers Must Really Hurt Huh?

You howled like a gut shot coyote to ban bait and cameras. You still whine about bait every chance you get. It all makes sense that you hate seeing archery guys kill good bucks, you want them "saved" so you can pound them with your long range muzzy. Now you won't have a scope on your muzzy you better be ready to wipe your tears and don your pumpkin suit! I'm onto you you old mangy feline! ?

 

[Shadow]

I don't mind any of those folks out enjoying their public land. I do have an issue with numb nutted rifle hunters pretending they are bowhunters.

I’ve been strictly muzzy for the past 20 some odd years, but have done the dedicated thing to get the unit I like. Thanks for the pro tip. I think maybe I’ll dust off the old PSE fire flight and Easton xx75’s tipped with the barrie Rocky mountains this year and do a little muzzy recon in august?

 

[Bigwiffy]

A whiny entitled bow hunter acting whiny and entitled?

You don’t say?!?!?

Milly Vanilly don't get your skirt in a knot. We all know you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. An opportunist that doesn't understand why it's crowded on the mountain. Carry on, this thread doesn't concern you.

 

[Bigwiffy]

I’ve been strictly muzzy for the past 20 some odd years, but have done the dedicated thing to get the unit I like. Thanks for the pro tip. I think maybe I’ll dust off the old PSE fire flight and Easton xx75’s tipped with the barrie Rocky mountains this year and do a little muzzy recon in august?

Join the rest of your deficated hunter buddies. One more wondering aimlessly with a bow in hand won't bother me any.

 

[Bigwiffy]

You're Way Off Wiff!

My Long Range SmokePole,Now That's Funny!

I Hate Seeing Archers Kill Good Bucks?

GEEZUS!

I Guess Me Calling Archer Hunters StickFlippers Must Really Hurt Huh?

Nah I just call it how I see it. You've whined long before you were B-bop-a-loo-loo. Now they're taking your muzzy scopes and getting rid of DH you're squeeling like a cat that's lost 8 1/2 lives.

 

[Vanilla]

I think I’m going to use my lifetime license to get an archery tag down south and just roam around in an unserious fashion in 2024. Then maybe again in 2025.

Just for kicks or giggles.

 

[Shadow]

Join the rest of your deficated hunter buddies. One more wondering aimlessly with a bow in hand won't bother me any.

Doesn’t bother you any? Your previous posts might suggest otherwise. Fear not, wiff, I won’t be out bustin up your stalk.

 

[Bigwiffy]

Haha you're all fun to get rialed up. Truth be told I have 6 dedicated points and might consider using them down the road. I think it's a decent program and adds some opportunity. I hope it sticks around and doesn't go the way of the Ban Wagon for those that like it. I know a lot of guys really enjoy it and have done some impactful projects. Just because somebody doesn't like it shouldn't mean it should get chopped.

Scares me that regardless of what we all think ultimately all the decisions will be made by the Board and whatever they want to do. I even hope Bess can keep his muzzy scope.

 

[Vanilla]

It’s “bandwagon,” numb nuts!

See you in August. Maybe you can show me how to pull back the string. I’ll just be out scouting for my muzzy hunt.

 

[notdonhunting]

I have been a DH for 24 of the 26 years (if my math is right). I have did projects of every sort, (thistle picking, trail maintenance, quagga muscel survey, fish traps), just to name a few but I have never did one hour that I would say was solely for deer.
I look at projects for the DNR a little different than most. Projects that help the DNR save money or money payed for hours help the DNR budget which hopefully the DWR spend more money on Muley Deer projects.
I have not hunted archery for 8 years now.
I personally don't go up the mountain much from July 4th through Labor Day weekend, too much recreational ATV/UTV riding.

 

[elkassassin]

WTH Wiff?

6 Dedicated Points?

Just Curious As Too How Many Points It Takes To Draw A TOP END Dedicated Unit?

And Just To Get Even With You A Little Bit!

The Year My Son Drew The YOUTH BULL Tag!

We Dealt With Quite A Few AMATEUR StickFlippers Blowing Their Bugles Long Before Any Elk Were Talking!

But They Were Educating Them Bulls Like No Other With Their BS Tactics!

I Did Respond To Some Of Them & It's Kinda Funny How Quick A Guy Can Call A StickFlipper In Sometimes!

You Know What I'm Sayin Wiff!

 

[ridgetops]

You howled like a gut shot coyote to ban bait and cameras. You still whine about bait every chance you get. It all makes sense that you hate seeing archery guys kill good bucks, you want them "saved" so you can pound them with your long range muzzy. Now you won't have a scope on your muzzy you better be ready to wipe your tears and don your pumpkin suit! I'm onto you you old mangy feline! ?

I don't think you have to worry about bessy killing a huge buck anytime soon with his smoke pole but who knows, maybe one will run across the road in front of him. ?

 

[Bigwiffy]

WTH Wiff?

6 Dedicated Points?

Just Curious As Too How Many Points It Takes To Draw A TOP END Dedicated Unit?

And Just To Get Even With You A Little Bit!

The Year My Son Drew The YOUTH BULL Tag!

We Dealt With Quite A Few AMATEUR StickFlippers Blowing Their Bugles Long Before Any Elk Were Talking!

But They Were Educating Them Bulls Like No Other With Their BS Tactics!

I Did Respond To Some Of Them & It's Kinda Funny How Quick A Guy Can Call A StickFlipper In Sometimes!

You Know What I'm Sayin Wiff!

I say a new piece of legislation should be passed that if you get called in by another bowhunter that they have the right to one free shot with a rubber blunt. Undefined range, no rangefinder, butt bent over a quakie stump.

It would make it more interesting.

 

[hornsrus]

I didn't know you had to be a DH to scout.

The first thing I do when I walk in on somebody's setup is to strike up a conversation.

Making up stories on social media is a disease!

 

[cantkillathing]

I think everyone should have to put in 8 hours of service for mule deer to get a deer tag, or go shoot i mountain lion and 5 coyotes...

 

[Vanilla]

Oh boy, you've kicked bobcatbessy's sacred cow baby now!