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Scre- you tex. I’m not begging for anything, he said he talked to him and I just wanted to know what he said. I don’t want to hear gossip. If he don’t want to tell me that’s up to him. like I said before, I won’t go to that damn expo.
 
Dude puts all of his business and personal life on social media. He has chosen that as a major form of communication of his life.

Yet he won't answer for this on there. Now some other guy says just ask him face to face if yiu have a problem. Well guess what, many of the people who have a problem with this dude live half way across the country from him. If I'm driving 2 days to get answers, he better give them and they better be good...

But I doubt he would talk to me about it.
 
Horsecorn said:
I’m like you slam I don’t know him and I don’t care to know him. I just know what he did in utah, and not gossip (,FACT,) I was just curious what he had to say about it. Either way I really don’t give a sh-t.
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If you weren't an eyewitness you don't know spit. FACT
 
slamdunk said:
I could care less about this guy, don't even know who he is, but what is personally asking him about the charges going to solve?
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Absolutely nothing. At best it satisfies someone's personal voyeuristic appetite for things which have nothing to do with them. AND ITS A HELLAVU LOT BETTER THAN FACELESSLY GOSSIPING ABOUT THEM ON THE INTERNET.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you actually build real relationships with people instead of this fake internet junk.
 
Tristate said:
Absolutely nothing. At best it satisfies someone's personal voyeuristic appetite for things which have nothing to do with them. AND ITS A HELLAVU LOT BETTER THAN FACELESSLY GOSSIPING ABOUT THEM ON THE INTERNET.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you actually build real relationships with people instead of this fake internet junk.
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I partially agree, but the charges are very real and public information.
Speaking to an accused person doesn't establish anything but the version they themselves want you to focus on.

Again, I have zero skin in this, just making a few points.

The end legal result is ALL that matters.
 
I've been quiet and have not posted a single post on either case. - UNTIL NOW! (However, I was accused during the hearing of posting many things here on MM, which were all false.)

Yes, I'm the guy who caught him and yes, I'm the guy who turned him in for the Utah incident. Yes, I'm the guy with gigabytes of data to back up the Utah case, which was all turned over to Summit County and the Utah DA.

So, I do know the facts.

Tri, gotta admit, sounds like you don't know "spit"! on this one. Maybe you do, if so, we can truly compare FACTS!

Who ever it was that confronted him at the Expo about the Utah case and was told it was about "crossing a corner of private while trying to recover an elk". Sounds like you probably weren't told the FACTS! I doubt Summit County would have issued 3 citations for "crossing the corner".

Horsecorn does the FACTS!

Hopefully the facts will come out in the Idaho case as well.

-Kevin
 
Tikka said:
A guy asked if they had any new trespassing apparel with no response, he asked again and they all turned there back to him…
That’s the story….
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A smedium shirt with a dude with loaded pack, carrying a bow jumping a fence next to No Trespassing sign.

The header saying

THE QUEST KNOWS NO BOUNDS

With his logo on the back


That's a money maker!!
 
Tristate said:
Absolutely nothing. At best it satisfies someone's personal voyeuristic appetite for things which have nothing to do with them. AND ITS A HELLAVU LOT BETTER THAN FACELESSLY GOSSIPING ABOUT THEM ON THE INTERNET.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you actually build real relationships with people instead of this fake internet junk.
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I'm says the guy who hires guides thinking they are his "real good friend"???????????
 
slamdunk said:
I partially agree, but the charges are very real and public information.
Speaking to an accused person doesn't establish anything but the version they themselves want you to focus on.

Again, I have zero skin in this, just making a few points.

The end legal result is ALL that matters.
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Fortunately we don't live in a world where that's ALL that matters .

I never said talking to an accused person gives you anything more than his side of the story BUT THATS A HELLAVU LOT MORE THAN JUST READING MM HATE PORN FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING.
 
Robin_Hood said:
I've been quiet and have not posted a single post on either case. - UNTIL NOW! (However, I was accused during the hearing of posting many things here on MM, which were all false.)

Yes, I'm the guy who caught him and yes, I'm the guy who turned him in for the Utah incident. Yes, I'm the guy with gigabytes of data to back up the Utah case, which was all turned over to Summit County and the Utah DA.

So, I do know the facts.

Tri, gotta admit, sounds like you don't know "spit"! on this one. Maybe you do, if so, we can truly compare FACTS!

Who ever it was that confronted him at the Expo about the Utah case and was told it was about "crossing a corner of private while trying to recover an elk". Sounds like you probably weren't told the FACTS! I doubt Summit County would have issued 3 citations for "crossing the corner".

Horsecorn does the FACTS!

Hopefully the facts will come out in the Idaho case as well.

-Kevin
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If, IF, you have what you you say you have, that means you have SOME, NOT ALL THE FACTS.

As for me not knowing "spit" about this. YOU COULDN'T BE MORE CORRECT. That's my entire point. This entire thread is based on childish gossip. I know nothing, and neither do these other clowns. That includes Horsecorn.
 
Tristate said:
If, IF, you have what you you say you have, that means you have SOME, NOT ALL THE FACTS.

As for me not knowing "spit" about this. YOU COULDN'T BE MORE CORRECT. That's my entire point. This entire thread is based on childish gossip. I know nothing, and neither do these other clowns. That includes Horsecorn.
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I find it interesting that you, who doesn't have a clue about the information that I have, can say I don't have all the FACTS.

Interesting and somewhat comical!

And again, as for Horsecorn, he knows the truth and the facts.

But again, sounds like you have more facts that you're willing to share, since you "know that I don't have all the FACTS".

That's ok. That case is long since past.

Enough is enough on the Utah case.

We'll wait to see what happens on the Idaho case.

-K
 
Horsecorn said:
You make me laugh Tex. Robin Hood is my blood brother. So I do know what happened.
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You know he told you a story.

if any one person ever has all the facts Then there is no need for a judicial process and whatever punishment that single person decides would be justice.

Luckily intelligent people usually run our judicial process and at best you get to be a witness
 
Tristate said:
If, IF, you have what you you say you have, that means you have SOME, NOT ALL THE FACTS.

As for me not knowing "spit" about this. YOU COULDN'T BE MORE CORRECT. That's my entire point. This entire thread is based on childish gossip. I know nothing, and neither do these other clowns. That includes Horsecorn.
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I think you use CAPS so you can use taller letters and make yourself feel taller.
 
Can’t believe I wasted so much time reading/following this. Everyone knows Texas has its own rules and doesn’t follow other state rules. And why in the heck does anyone even try to argue/explain anything to Tri. We all know how he thinks.
 
eshunt said:
Booth #2544 according to the Expo exhibitor list. Big one along the back wall.

Some of you guys that are in UT need to stop by and ask him what his plans are if he's convicted of a Felony. Or at least get some photos of this buck. I'm sure he has plenty of video of himself shooting said buck.
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I know the guy he robbed the deer from and I’ve seen pictures. As soon as he is convicted all the pictures will come out. The buck was much bigger than a 161” deer. My friend had his wife on the deer ready to shoot as well as his 8 year old son. Erik shot the deer right out from under them.
 
Buckbully said:
I know the guy he robbed the deer from and I’ve seen pictures. As soon as he is convicted all the pictures will come out. The buck was much bigger than a 161” deer. My friend had his wife on the deer ready to shoot as well as his 8 year old son. Erik shot the deer right out from under them.
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Thanks for chiming in-hope everything comes out.
 
hornkiller said:
Go check out his latest video on this case bring the popcorn ?
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Lol I just watched it, he is definitely trying to spin some of the details.

Is it possible to be charged for trespassing if the land owner doesn't want you charged? ?

Something not adding up but it's clear he is trying to spin some stuff.

My guess is the landowners told him he could hunt, but had some stipulations in place that he didn't follow. Be interesting to see how it all plays out.
 
JakeH said:
Here is his side of the story, let's see if anyone else catches onto the same things I am.

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I wonder if there is somewhere in the fine print in his posted rules that getting permission (maybe) to hunt a portion of one landowner's property gives you permission to launch bullets into a buck on the neighboring property? Asking for a friend. :unsure:

JakeH said:
Is it possible to be charged for trespassing if the land owner doesn't want you charged?
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I've had a few cases of guys shooting deer on my property and in every case F&G left the decision up to me to press charges - I will say they were pretty direct that they wanted me to press charges in all 3 cases. I had a guy two years ago shoot a little forked horn right over the top of my grain drills standing 15ft. from a "No Trespassing" sign, then 4-wheel his way out into the muddy grain field to throw it in his truck. My neighbor actually saw him and told the guy he better call me to try and square things. He gave me story of he didn't know this, didn't know that, never been here before, didn't know it was private, etc. so after talking with F&G I was going to go with the most minimal charge which was some sort of misdemeanor trespass, no hunting violations...then the officer called me back and said the guy had tags in the unit for the last 10 years, was from down the hill and knew exactly where he was and what he was doing and wanted me to re-consider. He got the full enchilada citation whatever that is.
 
This is out of Idaho Big Game Regulations. I think if I'd have been down this road before I'd have gotten written permission! I don't buy it!!!

Trespass Law Persons are required to have written permission or other lawful permission to enter private property. The law specifies: No person shall enter or remain on private land to shoot any weapon or hunt, fish, trap or retrieve game without written permission or other lawful permission. (See page 2 for lawful permission form.) A person should know land is private and they are not allowed without permission because: • The property is associated with a residence or business; • OR cultivated; • OR fenced or enclosed in a way that delineates the private property; • OR unfenced and uncultivated but is posted with conspicuous “no trespassing’ signs or bright orange/fluorescent paint at all property corners and boundaries where the property intersects navigable streams, roads, gates and rights-of-way entering the land and posted in a way that people can see the postings. Note – if private property adjoins or is contained within public lands, the fence line adjacent to public land should be posted with “no trespassing signs” or bright orange/fluorescent paint at the corners of the fence adjoining public land and at all navigable streams, roads, gates and rights-of-way entering the private land from public land and posted in a way that people can see the postings. It is illegal for anyone to post public land that is not held under an exclusive control lease. Private posting at navigable streams shall not prohibit access to navigable streams below the high-water mark as allowed by Idaho law. See page 121. A property owner may revoke permission at any time. Any person must leave private property when asked to do so by the owner or agent. A first conviction of trespass on private property carries a mandatory one-year revocation of hunting/fishing/trapping licenses in addition to misdemeanor fine and seizure of animals taken on private property. Federal law prohibits unauthorized trespass on Indian-owned reservation lands for hunting, fishing, or trapping purposes.
 
JakeH said:
Lol I just watched it, he is definitely trying to spin some of the details.

Is it possible to be charged for trespassing if the land owner doesn't want you charged? ?

Something not adding up but it's clear he is trying to spin some stuff.

My guess is the landowners told him he could hunt, but had some stipulations in place that he didn't follow. Be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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This is from Rokslide
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Let’s just keep in mind that not all delusional, dishonest, Dutch descendant gingered nut Utahns of the LDS faith on the quest of social media content, whom have a long history of narcissistic ignorance are in fact actually poachers. He’s giving that small fraternity a black eye. Good luck in the draws.
 
smokepolejohnson said:
Let’s just keep in mind that not all delusional, dishonest, Dutch descendant gingered nut Utahns of the LDS faith on the quest of social media content, whom have a long history of narcissistic ignorance are in fact actually poachers. He’s giving that small fraternity a black eye. Good luck in the draws.
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That's funny.
 
smokepolejohnson said:
Let’s just keep in mind that not all delusional, dishonest, Dutch descendant gingered nut Utahns of the LDS faith on the quest of social media content, whom have a long history of narcissistic ignorance are in fact actually poachers. He’s giving that small fraternity a black eye. Good luck in the draws.
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This is the best post that’s ever been written
 
So who called in and reported the trespass/poaching? You’d think that would clear a few things up. Going to probably take a long time before the facts and penalties come to light.
 
PacificFork said:
So who called in and reported the trespass/poaching? You’d think that would clear a few things up. Going to probably take a long time before the facts and penalties come to light.
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I would assume the landowner, who wanted his grandson to kill the buck…
 
I'm not around District Attorneys professionally very much anymore, but I never knew any that would opt to not only prosecute, but increase severity of charges, unless they had an airtight case...

Putting it into the court of public opinion like this, where there is no cross examination or rebuttal, not even from a reporter... is pathetic.
 
BrowningRage said:
I'm not around District Attorneys professionally very much anymore, but I never knew any that would opt to not only prosecute, but increase severity of charges, unless they had an airtight case...

Putting it into the court of public opinion like this, where there is no cross examination or rebuttal, not even from a reporter... is pathetic.
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SS! said:
The sad part is he’s going to be found not guilty.
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In the big broad world of criminal acts, I imagine a prosecutor doesn’t view trespassing (even when a big buck is illegally taken) as a feather-in-their-cap type of conviction. I also imagine that if it is a jury trial, that the vast majority of candidates will never have heard of this dude or watched any of his videos. Just how much attention will the DA put on a case like this?

I hope the guy gets convicted assuming he’s guilty. It’s sad to watch hunting mold into an “influencer” culture- and sadder if those folks break the rules to get those likes and sell coffee mugs. But investing any emotional energy in the outcome will likely pay poor returns.
 
The great part…if he tries to use that in trial then the entire unedited recording will be played. As a criminal investigator, I have seen numerous suspects try and play a small snippet of the tape. It is always funny when the entire tape is played and the actual facts come out. Rules of evidence and discovery often defeat these types of pathetic attempts.
 
slamdunk said:
All this over a 160" deer?‍♂️

Oh wait......161" ?
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Doesn’t matter the size of the deer. Well **** I guess to you Utah boys it does. So you’re you saying it would be worth it if it’s a 200” buck? That’s what you’re saying Mr MDF?
 
berrysblaster said:
As someone who was recently in a somewhat similar position, damage control, that’s not a good look.

If you are actively trying to control the narrative, it means you’ve got no faith in your position. Least that’s how it comes across to me.
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Agreed. I like how he uses terms like “raise awareness” and “making sure this doesn’t happen to you” like it was something that was out of his control. Those are tactics to try to distract people into thinking it was something that just came upon him out of the blue. The guy has pushed the envelope as hard as he can and gotten caught pushing a little too hard many times (more than are even known about to the public).
 
berrysblaster said:
As someone who was recently in a somewhat similar position, damage control, that’s not a good look.

If you are actively trying to control the narrative, it means you’ve got no faith in your position. Least that’s how it comes across to me.
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The difference is, you came out and said “I may have f-d up but if so, I’ll own it” which gained everyone’s respect.
This Instagram hero coming out playing the pity card, trying to win approval via social media only makes his case weaker and less believable in my eyes.
 
The part I find a little bit strange is... Why did he feel he needed to record the conversation in the first place? Seems a little fishy that he would have a recording (an obscure/hidden recording) of the conversation in the first place. It almost seems like he knew he was planning on doing something potentially illegal so he wanted to make sure he had the recording to back up his "I had permission" claims.

Maybe he did have permission and he has a case to what he is saying, just seems fishy with these videos he is showing.

Seems like getting written permission would have been so much easier than trying to secretly record the conversation.
 
I had the same thought. Why have a surreptitious recording if everything were on the up and up. Play the entire recording and let everybody decide for them selves. The recoding is strange to me. Cuts off abruptly when the land owner is talking. I would bet there was more conversation that does not support his defense…if that’s even the land owner.
 
Utah400Elk said:
There is absolutely no way that was recorded by his kid. I don’t know the guy but his story is total bogus. I watched a few seconds of that and don’t believe it for a second.
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Video seems 100% staged and made up. All we have from the video is an audible “yeah” from the landowner without video of him saying that. Seems fishy and total BS to me.
 
hunter03 said:
The part I find a little bit strange is... Why did he feel he needed to record the conversation in the first place? Seems a little fishy that he would have a recording (an obscure/hidden recording) of the conversation in the first place. It almost seems like he knew he was planning on doing something potentially illegal so he wanted to make sure he had the recording to back up his "I had permission" claims.

Maybe he did have permission and he has a case to what he is saying, just seems fishy with these videos he is showing.

Seems like getting written permission would have been so much easier than trying to secretly record the conversation.
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FFS did you not listen to him? PROTECT YOURSELF

?
 
I didn’t even think of that and that is funny. So strange to proffer a picture of a hand written “thank you” note. If he actually did all that before the hunt, it looks like he was trying to contrive actual permission before the hunt in case he got caught.

I have hunted private land many times. I never surreptitiously recorded the conversation and/or took pictures of “thank you” notes. I have brought the land owners deer meet, wine and whiskey. I have also normal conversations. But…I don’t have an internet channels and have never trespassed or poached.
 
Shadow said:
The difference is, you came out and said “I may have f-d up but if so, I’ll own it” which gained everyone’s respect.
This Instagram hero coming out playing the pity card, trying to win approval via social media only makes his case weaker and less believable in my eyes.
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That’s kind of my point, it was easy to be in my position because once I’d recreated what happened I was confident we hadn’t misstepped legally.

I didn’t need to control a narrative or do damage control, that being said, had I found that we had screwed the pooch I’d have copped to it immediately and took my lumps.

I don’t say that from a white knight point of view, in todays world and from a business and reputation perspective it’s the only path to take. Smart guys know that a plea deal will get offered, accept it, claim responsibility, and in 6 months everyone will forget it ever happened, and the 2% who remember will excuse you because you ‘did the right thing’

It takes a remarkable lack of intelligence to try and justify or cover up IMO.

Least that’s how I’d teach marketing and PR 101 if I was professor for a day.
 
Haha... this clown...

I love how he's running these teasers for clicks and likes. Reminds me of the douchebag posts with spotbof blood or an antler base with the promise of more to come.

#TrespassingGingaNinja is GOLD!

smokepolejohnson for the win.
 
huntindad4 said:
Haha... this clown...

I love how he's running these teasers for clicks and likes. Reminds me of the douchebag posts with spotbof blood or an antler base with the promise of more to come.

#TrespassingGingaNinja is GOLD!

smokepolejohnson for the win.
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The worst thing about it is the bastard is actually profiting from it as he’s probably getting more clicks and follows on these new videos then he was on his crappy hunting content.
 
I was going to go to the hearing tomorrow. Checked to see what was going to be happening. Nothing really other than a gag order. Found out a lot about the landowners story. I’m betting he’ll lose his hunting privileges, for how long is the question! I haven’t seen anyone post on here anything even close to the story I’m hearing. My Grandmother used to tell me When You Play You Got To Pay!
 
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