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“Johnson appeared to agree with Republican lawmakers who argued that since Biden’s polling numbers have been so weak, there is less of a political imperative to impeach him,”
Playbook PM: No impeachment rush for Johnson
And Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) hedges on his retirement.www.politico.com
"Johnson, who has publicly and privately been urging members to conduct a thorough and fair investigation with no predetermined outcome, indicated in a closed-door meeting with House GOP moderates this week that there is insufficient evidence at the moment to move forward with formal impeachment proceedings."
Idk Hoss for your side being so innocent, seems like this is blatantly saying it's for political purposes and election attacks. Election interference am I right?
I was told impeachment was off the table. But then that guy changes subjects about every 2 min
I'd just lie, too Hoss, the orange God has taught you well.
"The Trump documents saga emerged in a different way than the Biden situation, however.
According to Biden’s attorneys, they turned over the classified materials and notified NARA as soon as they were discovered. With Trump, NARA realized that key records were missing, and NARA officials haggled with Trump’s team over the return of government documents.
Trump eventually gave 15 boxes of materials back to NARA. But federal investigators later came to correctly suspect that he was still holding onto dozens of additional classified files. So, DOJ prosecutors secured a grand jury subpoena and later got a judge’s permission to search Mar-a-Lago, to find the documents."
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The one where Biden ALLOWED the search of his home, while Trump's had to be raided because he refused?
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What did they find on that search?
I was told Bidens lawyer said they turned everything over.
Are you saying your full of chit?
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Alabama's decision on IVF demonstrates the fly in that ointment. If a human embryo is alive, then it may be protected, whether in the uterus or in a test tube. Intent (good or evil; to rid oneself of an unwanted child, or to invite one that cannot be conceived naturally) never entered into the decision by SCOTUS. I see no way that In Vitro can be protected without compromising that principle, and Dems are going to run with that.
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Yup. And Dems are gonna win even more on it.
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With luck, I will receive the same sort of blessings that God bestowed upon your boy, Trump. (Excepting the wide trunk and tiny junk)
I did not expect an actual rebuttal, but if you choose to own this dilemma, then that is on you. Frankly, I do not see why you would--the entire Republican Party recognizes this problem and is making every effort to avoid it rather than support the principle that once seemed so "uncomplicated."
As for me, I do believe that an embryo is alive--whether in-utero or in-vitro. And I would support the decision of the Alabama court. The purpose of my response to Hossblur was not to second-guess the position taken, but rather to question the competency of those who either failed to anticipate where their decision might lead, and who now lack the balls to defend their principles. And, in this case, I am especially critical of MAGA republicans because they are slowly but surely destroying my party.
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Enjoy the shifting America opinion on abortion as they watch this nonsense and shift even further away from conservatives position. The vast majority do not support abortion bans to begin with, and Alabama just gave them headlines for days. You are losing on ballot initiatives on abortion in red states too. This will just further motivate voters and opposition to it.
Part of the reason I so strenuously try to point out what the GOP has become is because when I was 18 I registered as a Republican and still am today. It has devolved into the disgusting appeasement of one huge clown. Quite frankly the GOP’s position on public lands is what started to turn me away from them. Then the last 5 years happened. I’m saddened a party and many values I used to be a part of has devolved into what it has today. I don’t recognize the party I registered to vote with. It’s been a sad spiral to watch so many decent people drift off into delusion.
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A leader must demonstrate the values of his party. I would be ashamed to support Trump as the incarnation of my values, and where the R's have refused to hold him accountable to law I see a huge risk to the best system of government on earth. Bad policies can be undone in the next election. Broken institutions cannot.
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Mr Rogers would be perfect for your values......very simple.
The institutions you are worried about are broken now.....that is the entire problem...
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without a doubt it did....sad how much power baby murdering women have....
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True……. but so be it. It’s a hill I’m willing to die on, if push comes to shove.
I feel the same about killing babies as I do about the evils of slavery and human trafficking.
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Unlike @bullskin and @Oneye(I'll assume), I have 3 kids that came via invitro.
Because the two of them are jackasses and jumped on the MSNBC headlines without a thought in their brains I'll address a few things.
1st. You can decide how many eggs to fertilize. I know these two idiots think they just net up a bunch of eggs and spew sperm over them and then see what happens, but alas, that's not how it works.
You can fertilize 1 or 12. The decision is yours. This ruling would simply say you can't keep fertilized eggs indefinitely.
In our case my wife got 3 viable eggs, all 3 we fertilized and the result was the 18yr old at my house. 2 of those eggs, did t take.
2nd time we did the only 4 she had that were viable. They are non identical twins.
2nd.
In their rush to run out jumping around like idiots, these two geniuses, and their ilk,don't realize, they now are excepting the rights contention that life begins at conception. Otherwise, why would they care? The right(Alabama supreme court) says they are children. I may disagree, personally until there is a heartbeat, I don't consider it human life. But further, because I'm not a flaming hypocrite, so what?
Roe WAS NOT A PART IF THE CONSTITUTION.
Therefore it's a state issue. Alabama made a decision based on their laws.
California will make a different decision.
People travel all over the country to seek out differing medical procedures, clinics, doctors, etc.
The Uof U in SLC is full of folks from surrounding states. I've yet to see the resident clowns in this forum screeching about how dude from Wyoming gets specialized care in Utah, so until they do, realize who they are and what they use for a brain.
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Because the two of them are jackasses and jumped on the MSNBC headlines without a thought in their brains I'll address a few things.
1st. You can decide how many eggs to fertilize. I know these two idiots think they just net up a bunch of eggs and spew sperm over them and then see what happens, but alas, that's not how it works.
You can fertilize 1 or 12. The decision is yours. This ruling would simply say you can't keep fertilized eggs indefinitely.
In our case my wife got 3 viable eggs, all 3 we fertilized and the result was the 18yr old at my house. 2 of those eggs, did t take.
2nd time we did the only 4 she had that were viable. They are non identical twins.
2nd.
In their rush to run out jumping around like idiots, these two geniuses, and their ilk,don't realize, they now are excepting the rights contention that life begins at conception. Otherwise, why would they care? The right(Alabama supreme court) says they are children. I may disagree, personally until there is a heartbeat, I don't consider it human life. But further, because I'm not a flaming hypocrite, so what?
Roe WAS NOT A PART IF THE CONSTITUTION.
Therefore it's a state issue. Alabama made a decision based on their laws.
California will make a different decision.
People travel all over the country to seek out differing medical procedures, clinics, doctors, etc.
The Uof U in SLC is full of folks from surrounding states. I've yet to see the resident clowns in this forum screeching about how dude from Wyoming gets specialized care in Utah, so until they do, realize who they are and what they use for a brain.
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Hossblur,
Could not have been said better
Nice to hear from some one that knows what they are talking about about.
Could not have been said better
Nice to hear from some one that knows what they are talking about about.
if the republican party draws a hard line on being anti abortion, we will loose all the womens votes. it's a foolish move.
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So be it.
Not foolish in my world. Those women will rue the day……… some time in the future.
Now that’s what’s foolish, in my world.
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not nearly all of them...but a bunch....and squishy men too.
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I haven't considered being pro-abortion to get votes. Our daughter was a surrogate mother to a couple who couldn't have kids on their own. She gave birth to twins, a boy and a girl. I can't explain the joy we all shared.
If we give in on abortion how long before we give up free speech or 2nd Amendment right?
If we give in on abortion how long before we give up free speech or 2nd Amendment right?
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One of the most selfless things someone can do.
Especially twins. They are no joke and wreck a woman's body
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You appear to be hard of reading. I am "excepting" (sic) the position that life begins at conception. I made that point very clear when I wrote "As for me, I do believe that an embryo is alive--whether in-utero or in-vitro. And I would support the decision of the Alabama court." The only reason I care about this issue (as I have also already explained) is because R's appear not to have anticipated the political blowback by liberals like yourself and are jumping all over themselves wondering how fast to backpedal.
As for the ruling, from a right-to-life viewpoint, the significant question is not how long one may keep the embryos, but rather, how can you justify their destruction (intentional or otherwise) if you choose not to use them? What becomes of those lives that you chose not to implant? Is it OK to leave them in a state of suspended animation indefinitely, or until someone pulls the plug on them? Just as one has the responsibility to care for an unborn natural pregnancy, one also has the responsibility to ensure the well-being of all of those embryos (read "human lives") one breeds in the test tube, and therein lies the conundrum for those who oppose abortion on the grounds that conception defines life but would excuse the destruction of embryos resulting from IVF.
Well, here’s a prominent conservative(Michael Knowles) from Shapiro’s Daily Wire company telling you IVF is immoral and intrinsically evil. So here’s your side telling you you’re immoral and sure your kids might be great, but it’s immoral and let’s compare it to rape:
I didn’t jump. I said what is true. The Alabama ruling, rhetoric like what’s above, and GOP rhetoric on abortion are damaging to their electoral hopes and maps. It’s simply, the truth, and yes Democrats will run it fully in their faces.
Run on **** like this conservatives. Run on defending the Alabama ruling, you’ll get eviscerated. (More than you already have on the issue)
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Yep.
According to Michael Knowles, it’s immoral. At some point will some of y’all see what your party is becoming or?….
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Michael Knowles is elected to what?
I mean I guess I'll ask the leaders of the left on The View, or Joy Reid?
You really need to take a break from media. You seem to be having a hard time separating fiction from reality.
Curious. I notice you didn't post what Trump said about Alabama ruling.
You know, the guy ACTUALLY running for office
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Your a leftist. Same as Oneye. Your entire moral compass isn't based on morality, ethics, or decency. It's based on political strategy. While the right struggles with morality of what life is and where it begins, the left does focus groups and political strategy. They probably will win elections based on it, because when you have no grounding principles, you an be everything to everyone all the time. And tomorrow, do a 180 is the polls aren't favorable.
There aren't ruling of these magnitudes out of leftist judges because their judicial philosophy isn't based on anything other than political expediency. They want political power today, so they rule that way.
POLITICS IS RELIGION, to the left.
If the right was dealing with honest brokers, consensus would most likely be along the lines of not fertilizing more eggs than you mean to implant. Then there is no frozen embryos.
But the left, is for whatever they see a political advantage in today, so there will be no such discussion.
When your entire world view and "moral" compass is what political point can I score today", you don't address core issues, have long range thoughts, create sustainable systems long term.
As Biden is now talking border walls, and oil drilling, making the point in real time.
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I was a Republican for decades before Trump, and my politics are as conservative as anyone's. There is no possible way that anyone who supports MAGA can argue that they do so in observance of conservative principles. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard would-be conservatives complain that they do not "like" Trump's behavior, but they like what he stands for. Anyone who takes a good look at his life can see exactly what he stands for--and it is not conservative values. Nevertheless, they overlook their principles because they support his politics. It is ironic that you cannot see the shoes on your own feet.
As for Biden, he is a dipshit, too. Both can be true at the same time.
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"I was a R until Trump"
Showing your principles are skin deep.
You're like Oneyes "I have black friends..."
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abortion isn't a constitutional right. to me we have far bigger issues like the economy, immigration, inflation, etc. i have daughters and this is probably the biggest issue to them. i'm not willing to continue to wreck the country just because of abortion. if this is the hill we are willing to die on then i think our priorities are wrong. i'm not saying that i like it but it's a huge deal to women. this all or nothing stance that both parties have is really hurting the country.
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even after my last 2 comments here....I agree with you 100%
Knowles is a prominent conservative voice. Just like Charlie Kirk who demonized Martin Luther King on MLK day. Things are a slow moving wheel but what is mainstream in the GOP today would have been shocking to hear 8 years ago. People like Knowles and Kirk do impact public opinion and have millions upon millions of followers. Your party is ugly, and getting more ugly, even saying the creation of your own children are immoral as a prominent talking head of a huge conservative media company. You want to be blind to the ugly thing conservatism is morphing into but I suppose that's your choice. You even have to deflect when someone like Knowles says the creation of your children are immoral which really encapsulates has stubbornly far people like yourself will go to protect your political brand and ideology no matter how far or out of step it moves from you. Couldn't just say "yeah that's disgusting".
You can't even say something negative about Michael Knowles and do nothing but deflect, say "yeah but" etc. POLITICS IS YOUR RELIGION my guy. Knowles blatantly says the creation of your children is immoral and your answer is nothing but deflections and defensiveness FOR YOUR POLITICAL LEANINGS and not your kids.
Trump's so conservative he spent over $7 trillion dollars in 4 years. Truth is, you're a RINO if you're not MAGA now in the GOP. It has nothing to do with classic conservatism anymore.
Trump is not conservative. He's himself and MAGA, and you all follow it blindly. It's his party, not a conservative principled party at this point.
"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I did not speak out;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."
Most don't have an issue with things, until it comes for them. Your party demonizes immigrants, minorities, women, and now calls the creation of your children immoral. At what point do you realize your party is leaving you? Sometimes admitting things is difficult.
I did not speak out;
As I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I did not speak out;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."
Most don't have an issue with things, until it comes for them. Your party demonizes immigrants, minorities, women, and now calls the creation of your children immoral. At what point do you realize your party is leaving you? Sometimes admitting things is difficult.
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Still conservative, no longer Republican. They are not one and the same. Sorry, but "Trump" and "conservative" do not go hand-in-hand.
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I support Biden taking executive action and I hope he does. Also, he said he'd sign the border bill if congress passed it.
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Didn’t Biden already take executive action on his first day in office? Now that it’s hurting his poll numbers they are backtracking! Biden’s a joke!
Oh, and they all were lying about the border for 3+ years….you can’t spin that as much as you try.
I don't care why Biden seems to be headed towards doing what he can to secure the border, just that he does it. Gasp. You mean he's a politician?
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Michael Knowles has said that since he got his podcast, I've listened to it from time to time. He is consistent, which in this day and age is rare. But so what? Should we fight? Should I cry? Should I act like you?
Ben Shapiro wouldn't attend Dave Rubin's wedding, because he has religious beliefs.
So?
I notice you didn't post what Trump said about it. I wonder why? Michael Knowles, or Trump. Who has more sway I wonder?
But further, wtf is wrong with your leader? Pro abortion Catholic? Like your other hero, pro abortion Romney.
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As you walk up to that line of using my kids to take shots at me, realize there is a line, and Richfield is 2.75 hours away.
Get your **** together. Quickly
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...only 9 hours for me....I want to watch....
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See? That's why, for me, agreeing to abortion on demand hoping we can win an election would be wrong. The left would just demonize conservatives on every other issue anyway, or find a new one.
You can go ahead and have an abortion. I could not care less. You have to live or die with it, not me. Just don't ask me to sign up for it because that's something I might have to live with.
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He can just unsign the executive actions he took on day one
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Same left that called Romney a racist and sexist. The most boring dude in America.
Amazingly enough, the same left that laughed at him when he said Russia was enemy #1.
"The 80's are calling and want their foreign policy back".
They are leftists, they will spin on a dime.
Abortion on demand. Like you people use the most extreme language on a situation that is complex. And if you could truly care less, then you don't have an abortion, and let other people make their life choices for themselves. But that is not in fact what you want to do.
Complimenting the guy who says your children were created in immoral fashion, but it's certainly me who's politics are my religion lol. Showing those colors again Hoss. It's you who has a deep care about your political religion. You're the extremist my guy. You're complimenting a guy saying the way your children were made, or if someone uses a surrogate that it is immoral and compared it to kids born from rape. Not a me problem when it comes to politics, it's you gripping so tightly no bloods getting past your nuckles.
Pointing out the truth, and sometimes that hurts. You're the one complimenting the guy who's taking shots at your children, not me. Again Hoss, grow up.
And he should. But congress should also pass a border bill and the House should stop blocking it.
You mean like MAGA who hate Mitt now? When in 2016, 2018, and 2024 he said Trump was a clown the entire time? Mitt never changed, political discourse and his party did.
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Not raising any issues, everything is good with what you say, but I am really interested with your daughters comment.
Has your daughters gave reason on how they fell about abortion?
Is it what we keep hearing from news that they fell it is there body so there decision?
My daughter is really against abortion, but she also had a extenuating circumstance that helped shape her view.
I am really just curious, I might be a little niece in my point of view.
I have to admit this was entertaining, and I laughed, but this, this right here is what people will see and hear the next 9 months and realize why they're going to vote against it when they silently walk into a voting booth one day. I'd actually make the case being a Biden voter people are more quiet about than being a Trump voter at this point, but those votes will be what they'll be when people cast their ballots. Entertaining, but won't win you many elections, let alone suburban women in Michigan or Pennsylvania. He looks unhinged and like the mental basket case got really under his skin:
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I will never understand the argument of wanting less Americans to vote. Republicans know their ideas are unpopular and weak so more Americans voting scares the hell out of them. I care more about Americans and their voices being heard than your party. Sorry. And yeah, I’ll mail in my ballot or drop it off at a drop box in November and will and should count just the same as someone who feels the need to wait in an obnoxious unnecessary line."Walk into a voting booth"
Don't you mean harvest ballots, fill em out, and mail em in!
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Because having to show an ID to vote is racist, right?
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That last one is a link.... laughable
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Oneye, is this a good representative of the Democratic party?
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Oneye,
This is the young lady we lost to this terrible injustice.
But she don't matter to the legacy media, between the 3 big media outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC) they have not even covered this story to more than just a passing notice.
Very few of The Democrats in Congress will even say her name or recognize this tragedy took place.
Why is that oneye?
Is it because she is white?
Maybe if she had kicked a pregnant mother in the stomach and threatened to cut her throat and was high on drugs, maybe ANTIFA and Black lives matter would riot in her name and the lady's of Congress would come out and now in memory of her name, maybe we would have a park bench with her statue on it in honor of her plight.
What say you oneye?
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Sorry oneye I am completely off base
It is Trump's fault!
It is Trump's fault!
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F*** yourself you sniveling little prick.
Guys in here put up with your crap because it's funny listening to the rantings of an idiot.
What's funny is the pms that let me know what you neighbors think about you. How they laugh at you. That you're a big mouth keyboard warrior who's afraid of his own shadow around town. You're a joke, which is even funnier as the back channels clown you while you spew non sense thinking anyone takes you serious. I was raised better, so the personal **** I've got about your family I let lie. Perhaps ask your folks why they raised an *******?
Youre small minded. I don't know Michael Knowles, be pretty f-ing hard for him to take shots at me. Continue on. Your too f-,ing stupid to realize that you are simply the laughing stock here. Dudes PM each other with "let's see if he loses it over this"....., and like the 29cent whore you are, you come crawling back each time.
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Nope. My ID is part of my registration to vote. Here. You’re all anonymous folks on here. Vote fraudulently. Show me you can do it. Show me how easy it is via DM. You won’t. Because guess what? Mail in votes are secure, safe, and valid. If it’s so easy. PROVE IT. Or STFU. Vote for Trump twice I don’t care. I promise you, I won’t receive that DM. Because what you are is sore losers with excuses and lies, and zero proof. Show me you can vote fraudulently so easy. Do it. Let’s see you put proof where your garbage rhetoric is. The orange idiot lost the election and will again. And you all just love his lies.
If this is Biden’s fault every firearm that kills people is Republicans fault. Wanna play the game?Sorry oneye I am completely off base
It is Trump's fault!
We’ve lost lots of people due to Republicans refusing to pass common sense gun laws. This is Republicans version of “blame the other side for an act they didn’t commit”. If you get to blame Biden. Republicans get the blame for every mass shooting. But your hypocrisy will show now right?
You can post every DM we’ve sent you f******* loser lol. Hoss. You are a child. You are a racist. You are a bigoted POS and everything I knew you were. I don’t care about your drivel here. I’ll be okay. Enjoy your totally unhinged mind that is bought into your absolute delusional nonsense. This is an amazing place to be a laughing stock, because 90% of you are echo chamber idiots who in reality the majority of American citizens laugh at the views of.
You’ve sent a photo of you flipping me off in the PM’s lol. It ain’t me who is a total unhinged moron who gets my feelings hurt. They aren’t. They won’t be. Because I know people like yourselves. I know the level of intelligence and thought process. The bar is low buddy.
Now send me some other crazy nonsense DM of unhinged garbage.
I can be far more of an a**hole Hoss. Your mad at me because I pointed out blatant attacks someone who agrees with you on your kids and all you can do is defend them. Politics ain’t my religion, but it’s certainly yours. Enjoy losing in MAGA fashion my friend. Until the base wakes up and realize Romney is the guy most Americans can agree on, and not DT, you’re gonna do a lot of losing.
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I don’t care lol. He was right the first time.
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Your mom should have had an abortion!
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In the 2020 election I could have filed a fraudulent ballot easily.
My family got three ballots in the mail, one for me, one for my wife and one for my son. My son had moved out of state six months earlier. Would have been easy to sign my sons name and send the ballot in, Chance of getting caught would have been low. Of course I didn't, but it would have been easy too. How many ballots are being mailed out to people that have died, moved or for other reasons not eligible to vote. Plenty I would venture. We want a voting system that allows the most people possible to vote but also makes it hard to vote fraudulently.
first let me say that i have four daughters and of course a wife, so i'm always out numbered lol. i'm also a right leaning republican who thinks that this country is heading in totally the wrong direction. I have had many discussions/arguments about this abortion issue with all of them and they do believe that it's a violation of their rights so to say. my argument is that there's many ways to prevent pregnancy and this abortion issue isn't the biggest issue facing this country. however, they don't agree. i see it as a cleaver tactic right before the primaries to screw the republicans, which it did! and it's going to come up again and i don't think the republican party is handling it well. for a party that is supposed to be protecting our rights, they are doing the opposite for women, or at least that's the way they see it. i was raised catholic so of course i was always against abortion, however i do think that too many kids are being abused and not cared for. the country is already over crowded so maybe this isn't a terrible thing. from a political standpoint, i think the republicans are definitely helping the democrates by this hard line stance on abortion.
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That thought process is pretty brutal.(not specifically aiming at you, it's a common line)
Too many unwanted kids. So should we just kill them? No more foster care, just a bullet?
If women don't want a kid so it deserves to be killed, maybe we start killing the mom too? Seems the issue isn't the kid, but the mom? Sperm donor as well?
As to the politics, yeah, the R suck at this. At least the usual suspects do. They sit back in defense
Abortion should be er be mentioned, without a R pointing out how it involves crushing the skull and sucking out the brain. It should include the facts of when a fetus feels pain. The left uses very ambiguous language, and the right just goes along.
Media:. "Senator why are you against a woman's right to choose?"
Senator: " You mean her right to physically crush the fetus skull as it writhes in pain then suck it's brain out?, then yank it's lifeless bleeding body out of the womb to be discarded in the trash, or sold for parts?"
Let the left own what they are calling for.
That's why they hate Trump and DeSantis. Neither competes in the box the left creates.
Hoss, you're not wrong it's just a point that i'm willing to concede for the greater good of our country. trust me, it's an issue that women dig in on. to me i'd rather see the border issue fixed, better economy, and protect our rights, specifically the 2nd amendment.
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I didn't want to come off as attacking you, or your girls, so I hope it didn't.
I was more speaking in general because I hear similar.
I'm not even super hard line. If the country agrees to a 12-16 week timeline, it makes us similar to Europe, I wouldn't celebrate, but it would be a good step.
My wife is more hard line than I am.
She's annoyed that all the feminism, all the equality, all the "we aren't just meek little 2nd class citizen" talk, and women still act like they don't know what sex creates. She was going off about how we don't hear much crying about sex roles as she has two boys who could be facing drafts. As it's "women and children" first, or how guys, like her brother get f-ed in family court because women are women so they have the advantage.
Utah does from conception child support. I'd support gov funded pregnancy testers and even plan b.
But No female alive doesn't know she's had a penis inside her, therefore she knows there's a chance
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As to IVF.
It's freaking expensive.
When we did it, it's cash, upfront. A drug cycle was $2800, cash, no guarantee.
I've got roughly, $80k invested to make my kids.
It's cheaper to harvest as many as possible and keep "them on ice".
But you can fertilize as many as you plan to use.
Addressing the "leftovers" is something level headed people need to address, same as genital mutilation. Those subjects go to our humanity. But we we can't do that because of people like Oneye who are simply unhinged and incapable of a thought deeper than a MSNBC header.
Trump, was against this IVF case. He's openly said he supports up to 16 weeks.
But, the left didn't want to talk to him before, and they don't now. Screaming racist, sexist, Nazi, and now Christian nationalist is much more important than addressing this issue
It's freaking expensive.
When we did it, it's cash, upfront. A drug cycle was $2800, cash, no guarantee.
I've got roughly, $80k invested to make my kids.
It's cheaper to harvest as many as possible and keep "them on ice".
But you can fertilize as many as you plan to use.
Addressing the "leftovers" is something level headed people need to address, same as genital mutilation. Those subjects go to our humanity. But we we can't do that because of people like Oneye who are simply unhinged and incapable of a thought deeper than a MSNBC header.
Trump, was against this IVF case. He's openly said he supports up to 16 weeks.
But, the left didn't want to talk to him before, and they don't now. Screaming racist, sexist, Nazi, and now Christian nationalist is much more important than addressing this issue
I told you to prove it via DM. Put up, or shutup. Acting like there is rampant voter fraud is delusional nonsense and truth is, most of you know it. Most of you know there are not hoards of fraudulent ballots being processed. PS, signatures are checked and have to match. Getting rid of vote by mail would cause millions upon millions of Americans voices not to be heard and not to vote. There are not millions upon millions of fraudulent ballots out there and you all know it. I care Americans voices get heard, not that partisan folks who deeply care about politics voices are the only ones that are heard.
I’m unhinged, but you’re the guy sending photos of you flipping me off in the PM’s. Idk Hoss, seems you’re a bit more off the deep end.
no worries i didn't take it that way at all. i don't get easily offended and would like to think i'm pretty open minded despite what my wife thinks lol. i agree with you totally. i've always been very blunt with my girls about everything, especially sex. i've always tried to teach them to be accountable for their actions. they are in their 20's and get caught up in the propaganda though. it's frustrating. btw, none of them have any kids yet. i agree with you on the 12-16 week timeline, preg testers, and plan b. i would never support long term abortions unless there was a serious medical issue.
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My daughter went into early labor at 31 weeks and we got are first grandchild (boy), he weighed only 1.8 pounds and had 4 valves leaking connected to his heart. The doctors goal was get him to 4 pounds and 4 months old before open heart surgery. He had two procedures going through the groin trying to control the leaking valves just to get him to 4 months.
Just shy of three months and just over 3 pounds they decided they needed to proced with open heart surgery, Fixing 3 of his valves, one they will fix later when his heart has stopped growing. He spent 110 days in intensive care during COVID and my daughter had to fight with doctors and nurses that wanted to kick her out because of COVID, but she only left his side for 4 to 6 hours a day to sleep at Ronald McDonald house. He is now two and has had two more procedures through the groin, but he never stops running and can't get enough of cars and dinosaurs. He has grown so much he is above the 50% tile in hight and weight.
She says she can not fathom the thought of killing a baby in the womb after watching her son fight for his life everyday for more than 90 days.
Long story to say
Advisory builds strength and character.
Just shy of three months and just over 3 pounds they decided they needed to proced with open heart surgery, Fixing 3 of his valves, one they will fix later when his heart has stopped growing. He spent 110 days in intensive care during COVID and my daughter had to fight with doctors and nurses that wanted to kick her out because of COVID, but she only left his side for 4 to 6 hours a day to sleep at Ronald McDonald house. He is now two and has had two more procedures through the groin, but he never stops running and can't get enough of cars and dinosaurs. He has grown so much he is above the 50% tile in hight and weight.
She says she can not fathom the thought of killing a baby in the womb after watching her son fight for his life everyday for more than 90 days.
Long story to say
Advisory builds strength and character.
great story notdon, glad everybody's doing well. i believe, the more we allow the government to control us, the worse off we are. i hope this never happens but if one of my daughters chose to have an abortion, i would support her. i wouldn't be happy but i trust their judgement.
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None of them will.....
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Having had a similar thing happen to me and my wife is also what cemented our opinion on the subject. Months in a hospital watching a heart monitor changes an opinion of what a life is, if there is a beating heart, there is a life.
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Too bad it’s mostly democrats doing the shooting.
Uhhhh....no. Just you who want's to only pay attention to those instances.
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You really aren't that bright are you? Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, New York, Baltimore, LA, etc and tell me their voting preference? Take out all the big blue cities and the numbers for gun violence goes way down. Doubt that? It's easily found per FBI and CDC data. Care to tell me which way most big cities vote?
It doesn't surprise me that you go to mass shootings when it's a very small percentage of shootings in this country.....and it's almost split between D and R but the data isn't reliable. Going by all the transgender shooters lately, not surprised because they aren't reported on by the media, a la KC. You default to that because that is what the media tells you to pay attention to. Nevermind that more people are killed in 1 year in Chicago than a 5 years of "mass shootings". I'm sure you believe "assault weapons" are a big concern?
You mention "common sense" gun laws. Care to share what those are? 17,000+ laws already on the books but I'm sure another one will really make a difference.
How about this law - We make it illegal to kill someone?
I'll leave you with this that I've posted on other sites, all data readily available:
For those that only get their gun info from headlines here’s a little perspective:
In 2022 there were 45222 total gun related deaths, which means with a population of 328m, that represents .0138%
of that 45,222, 54% were suicides, leaving 19,445
Of that 19,445, 1097 were shot by law enforcement. Another 492 were accidental shootings (the majority of which were under the age of 24)
Leaving 17,856
In those remaining shootings, 3% were made up of assault rifles , with what I expect is a very liberal interpretation of what an assault rifle is, along with 1% being shotguns. 54% were handguns, the remaining instances were not specifically stated. The number of people that die by assault rifles in this country are about the same as those who die of carbon monoxide. More than twice as many people die from hypothermia, 9x as many people die from dehydration, 11x as many people die from malnutrition.
While admittedly this is a meaningless stat, if you were divide the 17,856 number by 50 , representing the total number of states, that gives you 357, or an average of less than 1 fatal shooting per day in each state. Can you guess which cities really skew this data?
Looking at 10 traditionally gun violent city total numbers (some numbers were from 2021 but there shouldn't be a significant difference in totals)
St. Louis, MO - 196
Chicago, IL - 556
Detroit, MI - 293
Indianapolis, IN - 293
New Orleans, LA - 280
Washington, DC - 203
Baltimore, MD - 333
Columbus, OH - 173
Los Angeles, CA - 382
New York, NY - 246
for a total of 2955, or about 17% of all gun fatalities after removing suicide, law enforcement and accidental death in the United States.
While these numbers are concerning, based on these numbers, there doesn't appear to be an epidemic of gun violence in this country, and for the overwhelming majority, the reality of facing gun violence should be a much smaller concern than many Americans believe.
If you remove additional risk factors such as not living in the 60 counties that produce a high % of gun violence, do not interact with known felons and of course do not engage in criminal activities, gun violence in the daily life of an American is statistically meaningless. That's pretty cavalier to say to a country indoctrinated in the evils of guns, but even with increases in gun violence , its hard to argue fear of gun violence is a realistic concern for Americans avoiding those 3 factors.
It’s always been that way.
Btw- By comparison, A 2018 John Hopkins study found that over 250,000 people die from medical malpractice in the United States each year which represents .08% of the population. I also won’t get into the deaths just from fentanyl the past 2 years. Gun violence....a way for both D's and R's use for headlines and $$$$. Oh, care to tell me how many NRA members (mostly republican) have committed a mass shooting.....0!
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@Oneye
How are we supposed to even talk about "common sense" gun laws when we have Democrats trying to talk about something they know nothing about? Watch the video below and I could post some real funny videos of people at 2A protests when they are interviewed about guns.....f*cking hilarious with how uninformed and utterly clueless they are. Kind of how I imagine having a conversation with you would be about guns.
How are we supposed to even talk about "common sense" gun laws when we have Democrats trying to talk about something they know nothing about? Watch the video below and I could post some real funny videos of people at 2A protests when they are interviewed about guns.....f*cking hilarious with how uninformed and utterly clueless they are. Kind of how I imagine having a conversation with you would be about guns.
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