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>You are right that wolf plans
>are changing constantly. As
>of 2012 there were talks
>by the Fed wildlife service
>of wolves into the pine
>valley mountains and also to
>the Arizona Strip. Course
>the strip is a few
>miles from Utah. Also
>the management plan for the
>feds still includes I 70
>south as a Mexican wolf
>recovery area. Now weather
>they were indigenous to the
>area or not that area
>has been changed from endangered
>to a management plan. As
>you know the plans are
>changing constantly.
> Now that wolves
>have been introduced into Arizona
>with the wolves increasing in
>numbers, 19 in 2011 and
>20 more in 2012 The
>border of Utah is getting
>surrounded. Yes there is
>a need to worry about
>wolves in Utah. Remember
>two years ago when they
>found the hybreds and the
>worries that were brought up
>by sportsmen about having wolves
>in Utah. Will Utah
>is not going to take
>any chances.
I gave you credit for answering some questions earlier but this is an even bigger crock of bull dung than anything I've ever read on this site, you've officially beaten Tristate out of the holder of the top Dumb and Mud post of the year. I'm going to go ahead and prove you wrong here despite something in my body wanting to just walk away and let you believe that crap Don and Ryan have been pumping down your throat.
1. There are no plans. The only threat there is by ANY management plan is sage grouse habitat which SFW is on the wrong side of...AGAIN. Speak with Mike Jimenez with the USFWS. He's the guy that knows what the "plans" are or better yet, he's aware that there aren't any plans. I'd post emails from the Arizona Fish and Game people too and even those in the Grand Canyon management group as well but my mind is a little dumb from reading your post. And if you think that the state of Utah doesn't have a say in this....WRONG AGAIN! We have a DWR member actively involved as a member of the Mexican Grey Wolf Management Group and HE even says there are NO PLANS for the introduction of wolves in the Kaibab, Arizona strip, or Pine Valley Mountains (that one actually made me laugh). Its emotional triggering rhetoric that is a blatant LIE!!!! And I'll say that to Don and Ryan face to face in confidence that I am right.
Breath....
2. Okay, on your "Utah's boarders are being surrounded".....Bird, nothing is further from the truth. Colorado has blocked through legislation and policy any reintroduction of wolves where they don't occur naturally. Remember, Don and Ryan spewed that claim out there a while back....not going to happen and its not a result of anything they did. Its a result of the Wolf Management Team and some calls to certain Representatives on certain committees in Washington that said there wouldn't be money allocated EVER for another wolf reintroduction program. Don and Ryan do what they do best and claim their efforts on the tail end of hard work by others is their doing.
Published Press Release from USFWS in Colorado (Bottom Announcement):
http://www.gjsentinel.com/opinion/articles/email-letters-feb.-6-2012
Colorado Wolf Plan:
http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCol...s/SpeciesOfConcern/Mammals/recomendations.pdf
Federal Wolf Management Plan for Mexican Grey Wolf 1982:
http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwolf/pdf/Mexican_Wolf_RP_1982.pdf
Federal Wolf Management Plan for Mexican Grey Wolf (Draft but will be discussed and adopted this year):
http://lunacountynm.us/News Flyers/Southwestern Wolf Management Plan 2012 draft 12-17-12.pdf
Absolutely nothing in there about using the area within I-70 to the Arizona Strip and Nevada Boarder as a recovery area. So stop with that pathetic drivel already! See Management Zone 1.
Memorandum (updated this year):
http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwolf/pdf/MW_MOU.pdf
The numbers Don and Ryan are feeding you are incorrect too:
http://us.vocuspr.com/Newsroom/Quer...AssetID_EQ=131795&XSL=PressRelease&Cache=True
Press release on USFWS Findings on Petitions FOR reintroduction:
http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwolf/pdf/Mexican_Wolf_12-mo_Finding_NR_Final.pdf
Breath again......
3. Okay, maybe 2.5....here is the latest telemetry readings from the collared wolves and an outline of the recovery area:
http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/es/documents/quarterlywolflocationmapbrwra4th2012.pdf Sorry, but its all south of I-40. There is not one single dog close to the Southern Utah boarder. Hybrids? Yeah, I'm going to assume every animal I see chasing a deer or elk in this area is either a domestic animal, hybrid, or coyote. I look forward to whatever lame explanation Benson offers as his accounting for the first $300,000.00 of taxpayer money that helped Utah stay ahead of any wolf fight. Concerning an animal being indigenous....its a criteria for federal protection under the ESA. And if you think they are going to openly or covertly do what they did with the Grey wolves in Yellowstone EVER again, you're off your rocker! I'm going to go slam an apple beer now.
I could go on for days with links and research but then all I'd here is that the people who aren't in line with Don and Ryan are anti-hunter, anti-sportsman, anti-chupacabra, anti-golf, anti-fake tan......and answer the question, What group was against and tried to derail Simpson / Tester?
Shawn
Just thought I'd better throw in Utah's Management Plan too. Don, by the way, is listed on this plan, but when negotiations and the formation of this plan were not going his way, he pulled a fit, got up, and stormed out to not be a part of it again. Speak with Jim Bowns if you don't believe me.
Utah Wolf Management Plan:
http://wildlife.utah.gov/wolf/wolf_management_plan.pdf
"There is no reason why I have to tolerate your stupidity if you are unwilling to tolerate mine." ME