I’d love you to hate me………That would be interesting to see repeat winners, so we know who to hate?
I know one name that won’t show up on any of the winner lists…
Are you advocating for a draw/point system for the Expo tags, bc?PISS Ob Repeat Winners!
How Bout Some First Timers?
Are you advocating for a draw/point system for the Expo tags, bc?
Asking for a friend.
Ha…… just jabbin ya, bud!Na!
I've Already Got Some Points That Don't Do JACK For Me!
I’d love for people to hate me too…I’d love you to hate me………
PISS On Repeat Winners!
How Bout Some First Timers?
I am sure the one will cancel the other?I rubbed treedagain and fullcrys shoulders so I am going to get a expo tag
I chatted with @fstop after he interviewed the SFW and MDF guys and he sure acted like a Henry’s tag was going to find it into his pocket. Scouting trips are scheduled, so he must be feeling lucky!!!
If he draws, don’t none of you be thinking there’s anything shady going on? It’s just the luck of the draw.
Good work.I chatted with @fstop after he interviewed the SFW and MDF guys and he sure acted like a Henry’s tag was going to find it into his pocket. Scouting trips are scheduled, so he must be feeling lucky!!!
If he draws, don’t none of you be thinking there’s anything shady going on? It’s just the luck of the draw.
I will let you know what I draw this year. I believe it will be a sheep tag. I drew the first year of the Expo so I am past due!The draw was yesterday (Tuesday), but it takes a few days to clear the winners to make sure there's no issues with their eligibility (or choice if needed). So, the list will show up Thursday or Friday.
When it does, I'll add the info to my list of winners since the Expo started doing the draw (2007) and we'll see how many repeaters we have this year.
You've killed enough Nomad bucks. Plus, you have the spike hunt coming up and I doubt you'll have any time...PISS On Repeat Winners!
How Bout Some First Timers?
No one in my family drew.....But I was hoping to see the Eakle name on one of those damn tags! It would be worth the hating on MM that's for sure! Founder says I'm dumb for putting in. Says it would look like I'm sucking up to someone. I thought he knew me better than that? I've got too thick of skin to worry about what anyone thinks of me! . And no Founder didn't invite me to the party with the girls in the room. Although he should have!!!!If fstop Pulls that Off By Getting a Tag We're Gonna Make Sure He Comes Home With Nothing But a Henrie's PISSCUTTER!
Luck Of The Draw My Ass!
No one in my family drew.....But I was hoping to see the Eakle name on one of those damn tags! It would be worth the hating on MM that's for sure! Founder says I'm dumb for putting in. Says it would look like I'm sucking up to someone. I thought he knew me better than that? I've got too thick of skin to worry about what anyone thinks of me! . And no Founder didn't invite me to the party with the girls in the room. Although he should have!!!!
No, I didn’t say you were dumb, or at least I’m pretty sure I worded it differently.No one in my family drew.....But I was hoping to see the Eakle name on one of those damn tags! It would be worth the hating on MM that's for sure! Founder says I'm dumb for putting in. Says it would look like I'm sucking up to someone. I thought he knew me better than that? I've got too thick of skin to worry about what anyone thinks of me! . And no Founder didn't invite me to the party with the girls in the room. Although he should have!!!!
Yeah, no worries, we have 500 action tags set aside for the wealthy.
As near as I can determine considering nicknames, name spellings, maiden names, middle names, married names, juniors, moves, etc.
Same disclaimer! I may have got some wrong, but I'm sure I missed a lot more! Lots of matching names on the total winners list, but I couldn't realistically link them.@elkfromabove how many repeat winners see there total for all the years?
Same disclaimer! I may have got some wrong, but I'm sure I missed a lot more! Lots of matching names on the total winners list, but I couldn't realistically link them.
One thing they did do was to now allow only one tag per year. That will reduce the repeats a little.Wow 327 different names on that list if I counted right, and many of those have more than 2 tags.
I don't think it's being done wilfully, but what ever program they have to draw the winners is flawed.
I can't believe they have not done something to fix this. I would love it if I was one of the people named, but no way its completely random.
I'm sure it's random, but if they use the exact same program every year, then it's possible to pick the same names more often??? I really don't know, but there is no way it's a coincidence. It has to be a software programming issue.One thing they did do was to now allow only one tag per year. That will reduce the repeats a little.
As far as the program goes, it's done by a one-man vendor operation they (DWR, SFW, MDF) insists is random.
Bingo!.....glad someone pointed that out.Don’t confuse the odds of “someone” hitting the lottery twice, with the odds that a particular person will hit the lottery twice. This is a very common logic/probability error. And something that statistics professors explain in depth every time some guy hits 2 big lottery payouts and some newspapers start quoting misleading long odds.
It is WAY more likely that SOMEONE will hit twice, than it is that “I” will hit twice.
As much as I disdain the SFW, Don Peay and these Hunt Expo tags, I believe this is a random draw.
It's even more rare that he drew 5 of those tags for 4 years in a row!Don’t confuse the odds of “someone” hitting the lottery twice, with the odds that a particular person will hit the lottery twice. This is a very common logic/probability error. And something that statistics professors explain in depth every time some guy hits 2 big lottery payouts and some newspapers start quoting misleading long odds.
It is WAY more likely that SOMEONE will hit twice, than it is that “I” will hit twice.
As much as I disdain the SFW, Don Peay and these Hunt Expo tags, I believe this is a random draw.
But the guy hitting 6x, yes, that has gotta be a rare bird.
It's even more rare that he drew 5 of those tags for 4 years in a row!
But those are the kind of things that can happen when it's random. Additionally, we don't know how many tags he applied for during any one year, nor do we know how many years he did it. Plus, the odds were better in the earlier years.
Is it legit? I have no way of knowing. All I know is that all that money isn't used for "Conservation", and I will continue to avoid the Expo.
I've not seen a single person claim they don't trust the draw result, I don't see any corruption in the results, but that doesn't mean it can't be flawed.The yearly chucklefest.
You hand $to an org built in dishonesty, by one of the states greatest charlatan, then complain because you don't trust the draw results?
Huh?
I've not seen a single person claim they don't trust the draw result, I don't see any corruption in the results, but that doesn't mean it can't be flawed.
I trust the results, and dont think there is any shenanigans going on, but I think they need to revamp the draw system used a little as it seems to pull the same names a lot.
You know where I am with $fw.
While they are a lot of things, Stupid ain't one of them. They already have what they want. The money, and the attendance stats. They could give a **** less who handed them either. Their clientele bought tags, they didn't play lotto.
I looked at the multiple list. I saw a name I know. Dude buys a lotto for every tag offered. Kinda increases your odds
Ya!One thing they did do was to now allow only one tag per year. That will reduce the repeats a little.
As far as the program goes, it's done by a one-man vendor operation they (DWR, SFW, MDF) insists is random.
Edited: FWIW, When RMEF applied for the contract to run the show, they wrote that they would use the same draw company that does the regular Utah draws, but since they didn't ALREADY have a contract with them, they were scored with a "0" on that part of the application. Hmmm!
Bessy, that was one I didn't have to compile and everyone who saw the original published list started thinking about it's legitimacy.Ya!
Hiedi Latham Is Pissed about That One!
Bessy, that was one I didn't have to compile and everyone who saw the original published list started thinking about it's legitimacy.
A couple missing form that list is Jordan Nilssen (2nd tag) and Dennis Forchic (3rd tag).As near as I can determine considering nicknames, name spellings, maiden names, middle names, married names, juniors, moves, etc.
Thanks! And there may be others! I just finished the total winners list (all 121 pages) and found Jordan as I was doing it. Here's the total winners list. I'll compare them a soon as I get some ink for the printer and have some time. But if any of you want to do it, have at it. The total winners list has some lucky families in it!A couple missing form that list is Jordan Nilssen (2nd tag) and Dennis Forchic (3rd tag).
I'm sorry. I GRAMA'd most of those yearly lists from the DWR and decided to combine them alphabetically, so it could have been their error or mine. In any case, if you'll PM me the name, I'll check on it.I Know A Local That Drew A Tag A Couple Years Ago & His Name Is Not Listed?
Are winners allowed to opt out of including their names on the EXPO winners list? The DWR now allows it for all of the other draws and even for the auctions if someone else legally represents them.I Know A Local That Drew A Tag A Couple Years Ago & His Name Is Not Listed?
Did you have the option of withdrawing your name from the list? Or were you even asked? Or did you have to consent to having it put on the list?I know a guy that has drawn 2 expo tags and he is not on the list. I have drawn one against the astronomical bad odds. Only recognized one name on the list Baylee Butler who I believe is the daughter of the HUSH owner. We asked him how they draw so many tags and he said they put all the wives and kids in, for all the states etc. I guess that is how.
It's not. Long time ago I was told flat out that these tags were gone before a draw. Not all of them but a select bunch. 20+ years ago. Won't name who told me. Dude had absolutely no reason to lie. And over the last 20 years he has been proven right alot of times.Don’t confuse the odds of “someone” hitting the lottery twice, with the odds that a particular person will hit the lottery twice. This is a very common logic/probability error. And something that statistics professors explain in depth every time some guy hits 2 big lottery payouts and some newspapers start quoting misleading long odds.
It is WAY more likely that SOMEONE will hit twice, than it is that “I” will hit twice.
As much as I disdain the SFW, Don Peay and these Hunt Expo tags, I believe this is a random draw.
But the guy hitting 6x, yes, that has gotta be a rare bird.
My bad! I have him listed on both yearly lists (2014, 2015) and the total list, but somehow didn't connect them on the repeat list I posted. He's on there now! Thanks!I don't ever recall being given the option to have my name removed from the list. I will PM you the name.
Bessy,I Know A Local That Drew A Tag A Couple Years Ago & His Name Is Not Listed?
Bessy,
Thanks for the PM.
I checked all of the yearly lists and didn't see his name on any of them. He may have been one of the missing tag winners that I was short when I counted them. I'll check on it further.
You sure you know his legal name bess? I know a couple guys that I didn't know they go by different names until they drew expo tags. LolNo Big Deal efa!
You sure you know his legal name bess? I know a couple guys that I didn't know they go by different names until they drew expo tags. Lol
Riiight. I bet it was from the same biologist that enacted the shed closure.It's not. Long time ago I was told flat out that these tags were gone before a draw. Not all of them but a select bunch. 20+ years ago. Won't name who told me. Dude had absolutely no reason to lie. And over the last 20 years he has been proven right alot of times.
Again, another personal opinion regarding that biologist and the shed gathering closure.Riiight. I bet it was from the same biologist that enacted the shed closure.
I never said a biologist closed it down. But everyone else is saying that….Again, another personal opinion regarding that biologist and the shed gathering closure.
It’s was a CYA decision. Caused because our State agency doesn’t want to expend the effort or the expense to manage by individual Unit needs. They want to make universal State wide management decisions, if not State wide that at least large block/regional decisions. The same as they do with hunter/harvest management.
I’m not saying it was wrong, I’m saying we are a large State with diverse climates. Not every unit is suffering from this years weather, but some are, hence, a State wide decision to leave it open or choose it.
I’m my mind it’s better to error on doing all they can for a tenuous State wide mule deer population…….. therefore I support it but they dang sure could do better, if they would manage by individual units.
They won’t!
Again, another personal opinion regarding that biologist and the shed gathering closure.
It’s was a CYA decision. Caused because our State agency doesn’t want to expend the effort or the expense to manage by individual Unit needs. They want to make universal State wide management decisions, if not State wide that at least large block/regional decisions. The same as they do with hunter/harvest management.
I’m not saying it was wrong, I’m saying we are a large State with diverse climates. Not every unit is suffering from this years weather, but some are, hence, a State wide decision to leave it open or choose it.
I’m my mind it’s better to error on doing all they can for a tenuous State wide mule deer population…….. therefore I support it but they dang sure could do better, if they would manage by individual units.
They won’t!
what reports? You read one thread in MMs and it was likely just trolling.Proof being, the reports from Idaho about all the Utah guys going to Idaho "to get exercise".
what reports? You read one thread in MMs and it was likely just trolling.
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Exactly you have nothing. Reports Idaho is getting flooded. You’re hilarious.Man, I thought you had turned a page.
Ha, is now your best work?
My gawd, when did you become so boring?
Show us some venom, some crass. Show us what's got you blocked by numerous dudes in here.
Do something, but don't just become the 99% who write **** like Ha.
Even Meh is better than Ha
translation: I was called out and I can’t back it up.Again. Do better.
You used to have an edge.
Now your just like 90% of the dudes in here. Ha, hilarious?
Do better
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