Drawing results

[ElkHunterNM]

I drew unit 34 second archery elk. I am stoked

 

[3darcher2]

After drawing NR archery elk in 2022 in my second try, since then I am 0-2 in 23 and 24. There is always next year.

 

[TDoubleYa]

Valle Vidal rifle elk, my guys.

 

[gburk]

Third choice archery elk and some mostly private land doe antelope tags for my two remaining utes. Gonna dress them in rags and start knocking on doors soon
Otherwise lots of red

 

[Duckhunterbrad]

all red for me and the 3 others in my hunting party.... There's always next year.

 

[Iowan]

Just found out I am going back to the Valle Vidal for my fifth hunt (I have never had the tag) to help a friend on the muzzleloader hunt. WHEN I finally draw it, I will be dialed in . Two weeks in the Gila with my tag and one week in the Valle Vidal - more than I could have hoped for. I just modified all of our Wyoming elk applications to make sure we do not draw. Then I will settle in here in Iowa to hunt whitetails and pheasants November and December.

 

[elk_crazy]

1st choice rifle elk unit 36 and mule deer archery unit 31 in January for me

 

[BGbasbhat]

Nada for me......always a wild card, but i'll be back in 34 at some point.....I hold grudges...

 

[Bulldawg10]

Hit on January archery for Mule Deer in unit 13

 

[Skykarp]

1-5 for me this year so finally broke the streak at 1 - 23 . NR

2B 3rd rifle - I know there’s been a lot of negativity posted about this hunted but I’m stoked to get to hunt.

 

[Elkslayer1125]

1-5 for me this year so finally broke the streak at 1 - 23 . NR

2B 3rd rifle - I know there’s been a lot of negativity posted about this hunted but I’m stoked to get to hunt.

I drew the same tag, pretty stoked.

 

[Treefiddy]

Unit 24 Muley rifle for me.

 

[goforbroke]

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Hell yeah!!

More green right there than I have seen in my life time!! Congrats

 

[BioHazrdMan]

Daughter has got an antelope hunt!!
I have a ML cow hunt in my favorite unit.
Most excited to go with my daughter after antelope. We have so much fun on those hunts! Blessed.

Congrats to those that drew!

 

[Muleman1]

 

[Muleman1]

When do emails come out ?

 

[JakeH]

When do emails come out ?

I have my successful email already drew a 2b rifle deer tag

 

[ixsolracxi]

Pretty exciting morning in the casa:
My daughter struck OIL as in Bighorn Sheep in the Pecos Wilderness!!! She also drew 21A 2nd rifle elk.

I drew archery pronghorn in 59, archery deer in 17 and rifle javelina.

I am still in shock and disbelief.

Going to be a busy season!!!

 

[PerezA]

Just found out I am going back to the Valle Vidal for my fifth hunt (I have never had the tag) to help a friend on the muzzleloader hunt. WHEN I finally draw it, I will be dialed in . Two weeks in the Gila with my tag and one week in the Valle Vidal - more than I could have hoped for. I just modified all of our Wyoming elk applications to make sure we do not draw. Then I will settle in here in Iowa to hunt whitetails and pheasants November and December.

Sounds like a fun fall for you!

 

[Elkslayer1125]

I have my successful email already drew a 2b rifle deer tag

What season did you draw?

 

[MQQSE]

Son drew unit 15 antelope

 

[COLOelkman]

Almost choked on my coffee as I opened my email and was not at all following this! Drew 36 early archery 3rd choice!

 

[brushcreek]

I drew a 5B muzzy deer tag my first NM tag after 7-8 years of applying

 

[Gutthooked]

Drew an elk muzzleloader tag, 1st time applying too.

 

[Muleman1]

I have my successful email already drew a 2b rifle deer tag

Congrats I must not have then

 

[SanJuan]

My son drew 56 first rifle antelope.

My 17-year drought continues.

 

[PerezA]

Almost choked on my coffee as I opened my email and was not at all following this! Drew 36 early archery 3rd choice!

See you out there elkman!

 

[Forkhorn]

I drew an elk tag!! 15

 

[Sburgin]

More green right there than I have seen in my life time!! Congrats

Same! This will never happen again

 

[oilcan]

Red again

 

[ixsolracxi]

My son drew 56 first rifle antelope.

My 17-year drought continues.

that is a good unit for pronghorn

 

[tcmartin100]

bull elk, unit 23. second time in 3 years.

 

[TerynItUp]

My old man and I usually apply separately but for the same hunts and it screwed us last year with calendar conflicts so we hunted solo most of the time. This year we finally applied as a group to avoid the scheduling nightmare and we are going to spend a lot of time in camp together.

We drew archery deer, archery antelope, 1st choice barb, and 3rd choice oryx. We are also anticipating that we should draw our Colorado deer tag in November. Waiting for the right time to drop this bomb on my wife (we just had our 4th baby last month and I’m currently out of town on business lol).

 

[backcountrybutcher]

Application Lookup

use this link

the others arent working

 

[Scrillznac]

All red for me!

 

[deadon]

My 20 year old son and I drew our 3rd choice elk hunt on separate apps. Timed well so no conflict with his college classes. Should be fun. Other than turkey, this is the first time we’ve had the same hunt since we always put in separate apps to increase our draw odds.

Good luck to all that drew!

 

[Norman13]

Der-2-329 green

I can't recall what unit this is and the website is down .

I think it's 36 arch but could be wrong.

 

[NMbuster]

so when do we get refunds, lol...

 

[Phantom Hunter]

All red for me AGAIN . Congrats to all those who found green!

 

[Toro]

RED for me BUT the Wife and Father in Law drew the Valle Vidal Archery Deer tag and son in law drew the elk archery so guess we'll be in the VV once again for September!!

 

[PerezA]

Der-2-329 green

I can't recall what unit this is and the website is down .

I think it's 36 arch but could be wrong.

It’s 36

 

[TDoubleYa]

Just found out I am going back to the Valle Vidal for my fifth hunt (I have never had the tag) to help a friend on the muzzleloader hunt. WHEN I finally draw it, I will be dialed in . Two weeks in the Gila with my tag and one week in the Valle Vidal - more than I could have hoped for. I just modified all of our Wyoming elk applications to make sure we do not draw. Then I will settle in here in Iowa to hunt whitetails and pheasants November and December.

Congrats, I drew VV also! When is muzzy season?

 

[peez3006]

Nothing for me. But a buddy drew 16 rifle antelope and another drew November buck hunt in 2b.

 

[Rockchuck]

Red again! Someday....

 

[steveb]

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Hell yeah!!

I drew the same elk tag,should be fun

 

[DoeNob]

 

[Buxndiverdux]

All Red for me...

 

[SDBugler]

It is “that time of the month” for our family - all red for everyone.
At least we have refunds to look forward to!

 

[BradA]

I also get super excited to apply for New Mexico, don’t know why I never draw anything.

 

[Skykarp]

It is “that time of the month” for our family - all red for everyone.
At least we have refunds to look forward to!

Ok can some artistic type come up with this as a MM logo for a t shirt? I’m in for a few

 

[Deerlove]

No go for me

 

[sbeard4]

Third choice archery elk for me,
Wife got Sargent 2nd rifle!

 

[NevadaSheep]

Valle Vidal rifle elk, my guys.

I had the archery tag in there last year. Happy to chat if you want

 

[Rie bread]

…someday

 

[callsalot]

A big goose egg for me again. That's the usual for me, lucky I have other options this year.

 

[Rook7]

OIL Oryx Stallion Range for me. I’ve been dreaming of this hunt for a decade! Also, elk unit 15 muzzleloader. It’s gonna be a fun fall!!!

 

[tracker12]

I drew unit 34 second archery elk. I am stoked

I truly do hate you lol. Congrats! Another unsuccessful for me

 

[NMPaul]

Drew 34 rifle bull. That living right this year paid off. LOL

 

[buckhunter64]

Drew 15 muzzleloader deer. I know they are scarce but I saw a few big ones 2 years ago on an elk hunt there.

 

[TDoubleYa]

I had the archery tag in there last year. Happy to chat if you want

Dude definitely thank you.

 

[BUGLEnmIN]

 

[Gutthooked]

Drew unit 7 muzzleloader, 1st time ever applying out new mexico. Guess the hard workouts and research starts now. Along with fine tuning the smoke pipe.

 

[Blank]

No joy here in River City. Maybe next year for antelope.

 

[257nut]

No joy here in River City. Maybe next year for antelope.

picked up antelope, mule deer, javelina and elk think i'll go to esletta and do a little gambling tonight

 

[Cahunter805]

All red this year for me!! Next year is my year!!

 

[Zim]

I downgraded all my elk choices to absolute rock bottom & still drew snake eyes. Nothing for other species as well. Will depend on Utah heavily this year.

 

[yotebuster17]

I downgraded all my elk choices to absolute rock bottom & still drew snake eyes. Nothing for other species as well. Will depend on Utah heavily this year.

Anymore “absolute rock bottom” in NM is still a once or twice in a lifetime tag unfortunately. Not too many tags out there above 10% draw odds so to realistically expect more then 1 or 2 in a lifetime when those same tags will be 1:50 odds in 10 years isn’t realistic.

 

[ElkHunterNM]

I got some refunds already!!!!

 

[bcmulie]

After 15 years of applying in New Mexico, I finally drew a tag! 3rd choice antelope - Unit 38.

 

[WannaXbe]

Drew 32 deer muzzleloader! Now the hard work begins. Heard it will be hard hunting and tough to find them.

 

[PerezA]

After 15 years of applying in New Mexico, I finally drew a tag! 3rd choice antelope - Unit 38.

Heck ya, last time I was in that unit we were chasing coyotes and we saw a ton of antelope, just gotta navigate all the private.

 

[RAWMIA]

Late to the game here but first time applying NM with a buddy, we drew unit 52 1st rifle Elk. From what I can tell so far it’s a beautiful unit that holds some good numbers. Can’t wait to get out there!

 

[live4muleys]

I cannot wait for the draw results to come out tomorrow. Hopefully there is some green in my name.

Sometimes when you see all red you have to pretend that draw hasn't come out yet and the actual draw date will bring better luck. Good luck to everyone that drew this year.

 

[Slick8]

 

[roadrunner]

We pulled 3 tags in our household this year:

1 on range oryx
1 off range oryx
1 2B rifle deer

 

[WannaXbe]

Th

We pulled 3 tags in our household this year:

1 on range oryx
1 off range oryx
1 2B rifle deer

all three nice tags but that 2b deer tag could produce a giant!!

 

[ortegageno]

Hope it's the 2B youth hunt if not good luck finding anything decent after that hunt.

 

[Horniac]

Congrats to all that drew tags this year!

6B Valle Caldera elk 2nd archery for me…

Horniac

 

[Ohiohunter32]

Congratulations! I happened to draw an antelope tag in unit 59. Have you received your tag in the mail yet?

 

[Bullcrap]

Disagree.

About 38% of total tags in NM go to landowners for elk that are associated with private lands. In the public draw pool, 90% are in the hands of Residents already.

EPLUS tags are not removed from the Public Draw pool, but an entirely seperate pooling of tags. About 25% of those 38% of Landowner tags choose the unit wide option, opening 600k acres of private land to the public for elk hunting.

EPLUS also has led to a tremendous amounts of water development, among other private land developments, which allows for larger herds of Elk. Man made water is absolutely critical for elk being dispersed across the landscape in NM, as NM has little to no surface water across much of the state without it.

These overall larger herds spill into public lands equaling more draw opportunities out of the public draw pool of tags....as greater overall populations can be supported due to landowners and their land developments.

While providing you and everyone else two additonal options to control your elk hunting destiny and 600k acres of additonal land to hunt. Now you can buy some land and develop it, buy a tag, or maybe offer your services in exchange for a tag...in places like Catron County where few people are available to help landowners.


EPLUS is a great program and a huge reason there are 2x or 3x the elk in NM vs the best comparison of AZ.

Let's keep more options for elk hunting, not go strictly to a draw where your odds would change a very insignicant amount to begin with...while eliminating options / opportunities, land access and resources for elk.

600,000 acres opened to public for 25% of tags? Roughly 3375 tags. If you think that is a deal to resident hunters, got some oceanfront in AZ.

"EPLUS tags are not removed from the Public Draw pool, but an entirely seperate pooling of tags" lol! You have to be a landowner who gets tags. That's some Gaslighting.

Additonally, the breakdown of where tags go makes perfect sense too.

Most of the Gila is public, not many private tags exist at all in Units like 16A, B, D, 21A.
Some of these units have less than 20 private land tags. with hundreds and hundreds of public tags available in the draw.

In 16C, also a Gila unit, A single unit wide ranch opens up over 30k acres of private land to EVERY public tag holder in that unit. Plus additional unit wide ranches open more in that same unit. Not just those that know a landowner or can afford a trespass fee....everyone with a legal tag can hop that fence and hunt that private land....no other permissions needed.

But in units like 12 or 15, lot more private land is there so a lot more private land tags. Only makes sense.

"Some of these units have less than 20 private land tags. with hundreds and hundreds of public tags available in the draw." Got to be a landowner. These to sentences have little to nothing to do with each other. A 20 private tag unit I know of has a total of 60 public tags not hundreds and hundreds. Spin

 

[Bulldawg10]

600,000 acres opened to public for 25% of tags? Roughly 3375 tags. If you think that is a deal to resident hunters, got some oceanfront in AZ.

"EPLUS tags are not removed from the Public Draw pool, but an entirely seperate pooling of tags" lol! You have to be a landowner who gets tags. That's some Gaslighting.

"Some of these units have less than 20 private land tags. with hundreds and hundreds of public tags available in the draw." Got to be a landowner. These to sentences have little to nothing to do with each other. A 20 private tag unit I know of has a total of 60 public tags not hundreds and hundreds. Spin

Sounds like someone looking at it from an emotional perspective and likely doesn't understand how it works or where the tags numbers come from. I am personally happy to have multiple ways to secure hunting opportunities. I can draw, I can buy land or I can buy a tag. Give me more hunting options, not less!

Look at units like 16A, 16D, 21A ...almost 100% Forest.

21A is approximately 98% public ground.
250 of the total tags are in the Draw
5 tags go to landowners.

Because it is approximately 98% public land!

And you can find the opposite where the vast majority of a unit is private land and very little public. The tag allocation will reflect this in their distribution too

 

[Bullcrap]

Sounds like someone looking at it from an emotional perspective and likely doesn't understand how it works or where the tags numbers come from. I am personally happy to have multiple ways to secure hunting opportunities. I can draw, I can buy land or I can buy a tag. Give me more hunting options, not less!

Look at units like 16A, 16D, 21A ...almost 100% Forest.

21A is approximately 98% public ground.
250 of the total tags are in the Draw
5 tags go to landowners.

Because it is approximately 98% public land!

And you can find the opposite where the vast majority of a unit is private land and very little public. The tag allocation will reflect this in their distribution tooView attachment 150059

Code	Open Date	Weapon	Hunt Type	Total '21 Quota	Fee Type	Notes
ELK-2-246	Sep 01	Bow	ES	225	HD	Units 16B, 22
ELK-2-247	Sep 15	Bow	ES	165	Q/HD	Units 16B, 22
ELK-1-248	Oct 09	Rifle	MB	25	Q/HD	Units 16B, 22
ELK-1-249	Oct 16	Rifle	MB	135	Q/HD	Units 16B, 22
ELK-1-250	Oct 23	Rifle	MB	160	HD	Units 16B, 22

16B/22 opens up 600k acres at a total of 710 tags (impact)
Eplus opens up 600k acres at a cost of 3375 tags. (Impact)


I think emotion is left out here. Data says opening up 600k landowner acres for higher hunter density unit wide is anything but beneficial except for LO's.

 

[Bulldawg10]

-Only about 20% of total eplus tags are unit wide.

-You and every other tag holder get access to an additional Unit worth of private land to hunt with no need for permission or trespass fees.
Everyone can hunt it with a legal tag.

-Much of that private land greatly contributes to higher populations as private lands provide a ton of water and additonal habitat.

-Higher populations equal more draw tags too.

And your example further confirms my point
16B /22:

739 Total Tags
Breakdown as:
709 Draw Tag
30 EPLUS Tag

Makes sense again...while enouraging landowner habitat development, opening private acerage to the public and giving you and everyone else multiple additional options to secure elk hunting abilities.

Now, if you took those tags away from Landowners, 80% of which are ranch only, and put them in the draw, as NMWF and BHA want....yes you would have a hunter density issues. As of now, you don't as the vast majority are restricted to privated deed acerage.

 

[Bulldawg10]

I think the far better argument would be, give land owners a bonus point in their land scoring system to encourage even more properties to open up.

Instead of 600,000 acres of Unit Wide, lets instead get it o 2 million or 3 millions acres acres.

 

[Bullcrap]

-Only about 20% of total eplus tags are unit wide.

-You and every other tag holder get access to an additional Unit worth of private land to hunt with no need for permission or trespass fees.
Everyone can hunt it with a legal tag.

-Much of that private land greatly contributes to higher populations as private lands provide a ton of water and additonal habitat.

-Higher populations equal more draw tags too.

And your example further confirms my point
16B /22:

739 Total Tags
Breakdown as:
709 Draw Tag
30 EPLUS Tag

Makes sense again...while enouraging landowner habitat development, opening private acerage to the public and giving you and everyone else multiple additional options to secure elk hunting abilities.

Now, if you took those tags away from Landowners, 80% of which are ranch only, and put them in the draw, as NMWF and BHA want....yes you would have a hunter density issues. As of now, you don't as the vast majority are restricted to privated deed acerage.

Ahhh, no it doesn't make sense. No it doesn't confirm your point.You keep dodging. Let's try one more time.
You changed your percentages again as well . 25% is now 20% ? Pick one and stay with it, at least per thread
You gaslight data to make a point.

So again...In a high density unit 16B Gila comprised of 600,000 acres of prime PUBLIC land, NM game and Fish issued 710 tags to public. If the 600,000 acres of public land was E-plus land in 16B, 3375 tags are the cost for the public to hunt ...If I want numbers,I can go to Colorado. They have over twice as many elk. They issued 710 tags to better manage the unit. I sure hope the 600,000 E-plus land owner acreage areas has a much higher density than 16b. Otherwise we are raping the land for welfare as well as robbing NM residents of what should be a quality public resource.