Shouldn't of paid so much for it if he was counting on the public land to be treated as private as well that's his own faultI wonder how much the ranch value will drop now. Lol. I have family in Elk Mountain and Hanna. I remember the challenge of that mountain from when my dad hunted in the area 35 years ago.
You can mark waypoints on private land all you want anyway I can do it from right here at home and don't need to erase tracks if you do it legal anyway that's why they just went through all thisThat is huge. Just turn off your tracks and don't drop any way points.
This is huge for other states as this is a federal law, not state. Or maybe I'm reading it wrong? I was comfortable corner crossing in Wyoming before this, but does this open up Colorado, Montana and other states?
They would be violating the law. They can't obstruct accessWHat happens when the ranchers build 20ft tall fences at the corners?
Read the judgement and the UIA...the judge applied the UIA.WHat happens when the ranchers build 20ft tall fences at the corners?
Not quite. That bill only pertains to Title 23 hunting and fishing trespass. The Missouri boys were charged with Title 6 Criminal trespass originally. The judges decision makes cc lawful passage.This whole discussion will be moot effective July 1.
See https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2023/SF0056
I beleive you may have read more into what I asked. It was a question not an argument. Dont be so thin skinned, I agree with the judgment just as most sportsman do.Read the judgement and the UIA...the judge applied the UIA.
It's unbelievable the nonsense arguments some people come up with in an attempt to justify keeping the public from legal access to public lands.
The good guys won...and won big.
Should be an easy one to challenge nowI believe montana clearly states you cant corner cross.
While at it, draw up some lewd polygons, messages, and anything else you can thinkI would like to propose we at MM start a "Waypoint 6" campaign. Everyone who has OnX should find a spot on Eschelman's ranch and drop a waypoint and title it Waypoint 6. Would be a hoot for defense attorneys to subpoena OnX for the data and show how many Waypoint 6's are on the ranch.
Love Onx. But kinda scary that any information about you Onx has, becomes public knowledge.While at it, draw up some lewd polygons, messages, and anything else you can think
of to drive home the point that waypoint 6 is a joke. Case should be tossed with extreme prejudice.
Thanks for all your hard work Buzz so we can all enjoy hunting!!!!Read the judgement and the UIA...the judge applied the UIA.
It's unbelievable the nonsense arguments some people come up with in an attempt to justify keeping the public from legal access to public lands.
The good guys won...and won big.
Taller laddersWHat happens when the ranchers build 20ft tall fences at the corners?
Are you saying public land users are not being respectful? I sense that you mean in the past and currently with this ruling there are folks behaving badly. I don't agree.I’ve got a great idea:
Why don’t we all be respectful and polite to bordering land owners.
I think we deserve a victory lap/grave dance for a few days at least. This guy was a bully and was trying to sue 4 average Joes for $7.75M. I'm not too concerned with being respectful to him at the moment. Now other landowners, sure, but remember these guys were not giving us access and Eschelman was not the only landowner calling the sheriff on hunters trying to access public.I’ve got a great idea:
Why don’t we all be respectful and polite to bordering land owners. Why don’t we celebrate this ruling by taking advantage of the access while crossing like respectful humans. Why don’t we act like we wish the landowners would have acted to begin with. The ruling is only a good one if we don’t screw it up now.
I didn’t mean any of us are have been disrespectful. I was responding to some of the replies on this thread that we get masses out there crossing lines as a big FU. Or any other ways to harass the landowner. I’m by no means defending the landowner, but I’m not a proponent of childish retaliation that we might see from the Libs. Carry on, I’m on your side.Are you saying public land users are not being respectful? I sense that you mean in the past and currently with this ruling there are folks behaving badly. I don't agree.
All I see in the bad behavior department is a rich landowner who wants to keep us off public land, his henchmen harassing lawful sportsman and a county attorney in someone's pocket.
Now where is this campfire we are supposed to all sing around?
All I saw was somebody saying that everyone should create a waypoint on Eshelmanns ranch, no one said to step foot on his ranchI didn’t mean any of us are have been disrespectful. I was responding to some of the replies on this thread that we get masses out there crossing lines as a big FU. Or any other ways to harass the landowner. I’m by no means defending the landowner, but I’m not a proponent of childish retaliation that we might see from the Libs. Carry on, I’m on your side.
WTF? No, you don't have a great idea. But to please you, should we all kiss Eshelman's ring? You think that entering public land is still at the command of these rich landowners and anything but paying pure homage to the Eshelman types would be to "Screw it Up"? Again, WTF?I’ve got a great idea:
Why don’t we all be respectful and polite to bordering land owners. Why don’t we celebrate this ruling by taking advantage of the access while crossing like respectful humans. Why don’t we act like we wish the landowners would have acted to begin with. The ruling is only a good one if we don’t screw it up now.
Nope. I didn’t say anything about kissing ass, nor did I defend the dumbass who tried to sue in court. I just see guys talking about having mass gatherings in the mindset of pissing off the guy who pissed us off. No need to be sensitive, I’m just encouraging folks to focus on the victory of access, not the opportunity of revenge. I’m 100% in support of public access, and 100% against land locked public land. I just want to respect the landowners as well. Not all checkerboard landowners are like Eshelman. Many are great people just living their lives.WTF? No, you don't have a great idea. But to please you, should we all kiss Eshelman's ring? You think that entering public land is still at the command of these rich landowners and anything but paying pure homage to the Eshelman types would be to "Screw it Up"? Again, WTF?
That was my post where I made the suggestion. I did so because Eschelman is still suing the M O. boys for a Waypoint that was on their OnX. SO lets all show the court ANYONE can drop a Waypoint on his ranch from ANYWHERE.All I saw was somebody saying that everyone should create a waypoint on Eshelmanns ranch, no one said to step foot on his ranch
You could also be taking about my post. If you look closely at it, I used words like friendly, polite, and non hostile. The complete opposite of FU to the landowner but delivery of an important message. I did sound like a bit of a troll when predicting their response and the humor I would find in the situation, but I still deserve points for the other words I used to keep it from escalating.Nope. I didn’t say anything about kissing ass, nor did I defend the dumbass who tried to sue in court. I just see guys talking about having mass gatherings in the mindset of pissing off the guy who pissed us off. No need to be sensitive, I’m just encouraging folks to focus on the victory of access, not the opportunity of revenge. I’m 100% in support of public access, and 100% against land locked public land. I just want to respect the landowners as well. Not all checkerboard landowners are like Eshelman. Many are great people just living their lives.
Fair enough.You could also be taking about my post. If you look closely at it, I used words like friendly, polite, and non hostile. The complete opposite of FU to the landowner but delivery of an important message. I did sound like a bit of a troll when predicting their response and the humor I would find in the situation, but I still deserve points for the other words I used to keep it from escalating.
totally agree. I - we - need to stay off of private, but should be allowed to corner cross. Be nice for the state to put a pin on those corners to make it easier to corner cross legally.Nope. I didn’t say anything about kissing ass, nor did I defend the dumbass who tried to sue in court. I just see guys talking about having mass gatherings in the mindset of pissing off the guy who pissed us off. No need to be sensitive, I’m just encouraging folks to focus on the victory of access, not the opportunity of revenge. I’m 100% in support of public access, and 100% against land locked public land. I just want to respect the landowners as well. Not all checkerboard landowners are like Eshelman. Many are great people just living their lives.
Many of those corners have no fences, just a survey marker and many aren’t even marked. This is Not something just any Boy Scout should be involved with but those competent with OnX could certainly find the corner but if they screw up it might result in unfavorable outcome. This is best left to competent surveyors. Damn nice bull.Might be a great eagle scout project? Build and install access ladders? Take access yes money?
My thought is if the F&G are involved then it leaves out the guess work? Obviously all access could not be laddered but the most controversial could.
FWIW, I hunted 125 for elk a few years back and a landowner gave me access to corner cross and hunt BLM. Shot a nice 6point. His only asks... it was a 1 time deal and the bull had to be less than 350 because he had hunters that week. Sent him a gift basket for Christmas as thanks. Have not asked again.....and the bull was 315 type.
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Nope. I didn’t say anything about kissing ass, nor did I defend the dumbass who tried to sue in court. I just see guys talking about having mass gatherings in the mindset of pissing off the guy who pissed us off. No need to be sensitive, I’m just encouraging folks to focus on the victory of access, not the opportunity of revenge. I’m 100% in support of public access, and 100% against land locked public land. I just want to respect the landowners as well. Not all checkerboard landowners are like Eshelman. Many are great people just living their lives.
Fair enough.
This is huge for other states as this is a federal law, not state. Or maybe I'm reading it wrong? I was comfortable corner crossing in Wyoming before this, but does this open up Colorado, Montana and other states? This decision does not constitute a law. It's a court decision that sets precedence. A good one for sure!
Arguments will be heard in Sept and Oct.My guess is that an appeal will take at least another year. The court system is backlogged at all levels.
I heard the appeal was delayed a month or so on a technicality, but eventually it moves forward.Arguments will be heard in Sept and Oct.
I have been looking for the opinion everyday for about 3 weeks.Is the 10th going to wait for hunting season to come and go on this one.
Not true. If there's no easement, they're allowed to use whatever fence they want. The state would need to sue for legal access. The judge said you can cross if you don't come in contact with the property. The fence is their property.They would be violating the law. They can't obstruct access
Not true. If there's no easement, they're allowed to use whatever fence they want. The state would need to sue for legal access. The judge said you can cross if you don't come in contact with the property. The fence is their property.
Of course, that would open up a whole new legal problem if someone were to get hurt crossing a tall of razor wire fence.
They would only worry about the corners. Just like a ballfield backstop.They ain't going to do tall fence. Keeps the deer/elk out as well
What if the fence was BLM? And how would you know. Most ranchers expect the BLM to pay for the fencing.Not true. If there's no easement, they're allowed to use whatever fence they want. The state would need to sue for legal access. The judge said you can cross if you don't come in contact with the property. The fence is their property.
Of course, that would open up a whole new legal problem if someone were to get hurt crossing a tall of razor wire fence.
I can't answer for all landowners or what happens in but can tell you that we own 1000 acres of land that borders a highway and some public state land. The fence along the highway is maintained by the state. The fence that borders the state land owned and maintained by us. We have no corners that would constitute a corner crossing issue.What if the fence was BLM? And how would you know. Most ranchers expect the BLM to pay for the fencing.
Well, the good thing is you don’t have to prove your innocence. They have to prove your guilt.Most hunters can hardly hit their a$$ cheeks with both hands, let alone find a monument in the dark and step across it diagonally…… Lol
Nope, unlawful inclosures act is part of this case.Not true. If there's no easement, they're allowed to use whatever fence they want. The state would need to sue for legal access. The judge said you can cross if you don't come in contact with the property. The fence is their property.
Of course, that would open up a whole new legal problem if someone were to get hurt crossing a tall of razor wire fence.
Not true is right.Not true. If there's no easement, they're allowed to use whatever fence they want. The state would need to sue for legal access. The judge said you can cross if you don't come in contact with the property. The fence is their property.
Of course, that would open up a whole new legal problem if someone were to get hurt crossing a tall of razor wire fence.
Keeps them in as well I think they call it High Fence Hunting LOLThey ain't going to do tall fence. Keeps the deer/elk out as well
I'm heading to the Shirley Mountains in a few days to archery elk hunt. I keep reading conflicting reports on whether it's currently OK to corner cross there or not. If it's OK, do you really need a ladder to play it safe or not?
That's actually not a bad idea.
Most of those corners won’t have fences on the Shirley’s. The ruling by the Federal Judge said the Unlawful Enclosure act does not allow blocking at corners so if there’s a fence be polite and don’t damage it but you’re clear to cross any corner whether fenced or not.I'm heading to the Shirley Mountains in a few days to archery elk hunt. I keep reading conflicting reports on whether it's currently OK to corner cross there or not. If it's OK, do you really need a ladder to play it safe or not?
I can't risk getting my bulge caught on the barbed wire. Too dangerous
We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.