Big Desert Bighorn Ram

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I'm a newbie when it comes to sheep, but I think that this guy would be a keeper. I found him while out deer hunting this weekend. How does this ram rate, is he a shooter or does he need to grow some more. I'll never have this tag, but hopefully my boy will in the next 100 years, so I'd like some input from those that are more experienced with judging sheep.

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Mevertsen is pulling both your legs! Mature class IV ram. Bang! He looks like rings show 8-9 yo. Can see them well enough in last pix blown up. 4th is clear and others can be faintly seen. Looks like upper 160's minimum... Good wheel (curl) and flare will gain length. Bang! Horns tower off base also, no sloping. Bang!
 
Mevertsen is pulling both your legs! Mature class IV ram. Bang! He looks like rings show 8-9 yo. Can see them well enough in last pix blown up. 4th is clear and others can be faintly seen. Looks like upper 160's minimum... Good wheel (curl) and flare will gain length. Bang! Horns tower off base also, no sloping. Bang!
Not pulling any legs.

I truly dont believe he is 8 plus.

It appears to me the most prominent ring is just above his ear, visible on the picture where he's looking away. I would say that's the 4 year old ring.

I have also been of the knowledge that flaring usually shows younger age as the rest hasn't quite caught up yet.

But again the rings aren't super clear to me from what I can see.

He might score well where he's at, but it seems he could age a bit more.

Also has a young look to him, not a lot of scarring on the brisket and front legs, horns look clean.
 
Mevertsen is pulling both your legs! Mature class IV ram. Bang! He looks like rings show 8-9 yo. Can see them well enough in last pix blown up. 4th is clear and others can be faintly seen. Looks like upper 160's minimum... Good wheel (curl) and flare will gain length. Bang! Horns tower off base also, no sloping. Bang!
That’s a 5-6 year old ram with fantastic genetics
 
Both rams are nice they might be a little young but with a once in a lifetime tag I guess it depends on what else you've seen in the unit...
 
I've got some more footage of him that I can go through to see if I can get any different pictures of the rings that you guys are talking about. What are you looking at specifically for aging a ram like this?
 
I also wanted to pay it forward, and say that if someone has a sheep tag that is looking for a ram, I would be happy to share what information I have with them, regarding this ram and the unit he's in. When I had my OIL Moose tag, I had people on here that I didn't know helping me out and I couldn't thank them enough.
 
In NV or UT, my aim would be set on shooting a desert sheep ram that scores 155 or better. I may not be an expert on scoring sheep, but I’ve seen some impressive rams with ones at that size with well-developed bases, simply broomed on both sides.
 
My guess is that Utah has harvest reports with a history of past rams harvested in every unit. Harvest reports often include number of rings, length, and base circumference measurements. If you are looking at score, mass the entire length of the horn is extremely important. If you are seriously interested in B&C, take a look at the B&C record books listings by county.

Sometimes when rams are checked in to be plugged the biologists take photos. If you can get your hands on those photos it will give you an even closer view of what type of rams are available. The genetics of one unit may be for tighter curls while others may produce horns with wide curl, flare, more mass, etc.

That ram may be a total whopper in some units and likely passed up in others. The more time you spend researching and scouting a unit, the better you will know what rams are available. Draw odds are so low it's sometimes tough to devote a lot of time doing this if you never can draw a tag.

With that said, it's always exciting to watch and film rams! Nice photos!
 
Nice Class III ram. Might make 160. 6 1/2 yr. old. Neither ram has the pot belly and sunken haunches of an old Class IV ram. Look for broomed horns that drop below the lower jaw in side view.
 
Now, now... you know what they say about opinions... Reality is no one will ever know for sure, but there is a world of difference in pictures vs. hands on, just sayin'...
 
With one ram hunt under my belt I've become something of an expert... 🤣

In seriousness, one thing I was told/read was to be very cautious of judging and shooting a lone ram and I found that to be true. I had a heck of a time ever getting rams to stay in view long enough to really make any great judgements and comparisons against each other - they just always seemed to be going somewhere, around a corner, behind trees, etc. I did find one mature ram all by himself that I was able to watch for quite some time, get good video of and visually compare to photos of other rams harvested in the past from the unit. I decided if I saw that ram again I was going to take him. I did see him again, again all by himself, I had a 254yd "chip shot" off the most stable prone rest I think I've ever had...and stupidly in my excitement just barely cleared my scope of the sagebrush in front of me but hadn't cleared my rifle barrel. So, I missed like two feet wide left but did bag a nice sage brush limb!

Fast forward a few days and we relocate that ram again, who still visually looks very good, but now he's with 4 other rams. 3 are obviously younger and smaller. Another ram is obviously mature visually and when standing off by himself, to my eye looks like he has narrower, shorter horns but with maybe slightly more mass/brooming. Visually the one I missed still appeared to be the better ram so I was still targeting him. Then the ram I missed and the other mature ram stood right next to each other it was very obvious which was older and bigger - and it wasn't the one I thought by quite a bit. Not too mention, seeing them interact, it was very obvious which one ram ran the show and was dominant. I think the reason I kept seeing my initial target ram by himself is the older ram didn't tolerate him in the group as well as he did the 3 other youngsters. I think the larger body/head of the older ram visually made his horns appear smaller...and the smaller head/body of the younger ram made his horns appear wider/larger. An experienced sheep guy might have figured that out viewing the rams by themselves but for a guy like me, and most guys with little experience on a single OIL hunt, having side by side comparison will probably net a better ram and certainly did in my case as I shot the older, bigger ram - turned out to be 9.5yo, possibly 10.5yo per biologist.
In this video my initial target ram is at 0:52 and 1:35 and the one I got at 1:25, 3:17, and at the end...by themselves and in this vid I still think my original target ram looks bigger/wider but in real life standing next to each other the difference was very apparent. I was in "kill mode" so never got video of them standing next to each other - my buddy may have and he was also very adament which one was bigger and which one to shoot!

Take home message...be careful judging a lone ram.
 
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Post up a few rams that you have taken?
Certainly did not mean to disparage this ram. It is a handsome critter, and if I had that tag, I would have been happy to take that one home. I just didn't see it as an old ram, for the reasons I mentioned. It is interesting that these particular CA rams do not seem to fit the usual physical characteristics of older age class mexicana and nelsoni rams. Rather the 9 1/2+ y.o. ram that was finally taken looked to me (from a distance) like a younger ram based on body shape. Just a guess, but he looked to be in very good shape for an old guy.
 

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