ATTENTION UTAH GUIDES AND OUTFITTERS!!!!!

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CATMAN

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I was just informed by a good friend and outfitter that the house passed a bill that will put more regulations on outfitters, and although I am not against regulations this bill will basically ruin the small guide or outfitter. The bill was snuck through the channels and hardly anyone knows about it. (this was done on purpose)
If you want to support your guide/outfitter friends please have them go to this website and read about this bill. The bill is HB 0173. To read more about this go to www.utah.gov then to the senate link. I won't post the name of the ONE outfitter in Utah that wants this passed, but this is strictly a bill to eliminate competition in the future. I firmly believe that we need the small time guides/outfitters....not everyone can afford the elite. Hope you will take the time to read more about this and take action within the next couple of days as it has already passed the House. Here are a list of your State representatives that you can e-mail to vioce your opinion on this. I just learned about this tonite so please bear with me.
thanks Catman

Salt Lake Luz Robles (D)
Minority Caucus Mgr
Email 1004 N Morton Drive
Salt Lake City, Utah 84116 Office (801) 521-0407
Home (801) 953-0905
2 Salt Lake Scott D. McCoy (D)
Email 560 East 700 South
Salt Lake City, Utah 84102 Office (801) 533-8383
Home (801) 359-2544
3 Salt Lake Gene Davis (D)
Email 865 Parkway Ave
Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 Home (801) 484-9428
Fax (801) 484-9442
4 Salt Lake Patricia W. Jones (D)
Minority Leader
Email 4571 Sycamore Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84117 Office (801) 322-5722
Home (801) 278-7667
Fax (801) 322-5725
5 Salt Lake Karen Mayne (D)
Assistant Minority Whip
Email 5044 West Bannock Circle
West Valley City, Utah 84120 Home (801) 968-7756
6 Salt Lake Michael G. Waddoups (R)
President
Email 2868 West. Matterhorn Dr.
West Jordan UT 84084 Office (801) 355-1136
Home (801) 967-0225
7 Salt Lake Ross I. Romero (D)
Minority Whip
Email 1150 South 1400 East
Salt Lake City, Utah 84105 Office (801) 844-7229
Home (801) 364-2451
Fax (801) 594-8486
8 Salt Lake Karen W. Morgan (D)
Email 8378 Austrian Way
Salt Lake City, Utah 84121 Office (801) 538-1406
Home (801) 943-0067
Fax (801) 943-9614
9 Salt Lake Wayne Niederhauser (R)
Email 3182 East Granite Woods Lane
Sandy, Utah 84092 Office (801) 558-4766
Home (801) 942-3398
Fax (866) 283-7751
10 Salt Lake D. Chris Buttars (R)
Email 9241 South Lisa Ave.
West Jordan, Utah 84088 Home (801) 561-0535
Fax (801) 561-3242
11 Salt Lake,
Utah Howard A. Stephenson (R)
Email 1038 East 13590 South
Draper, Utah 84020 Office (801) 972-8814
Home (801) 576-1022
12 Salt Lake,
Tooele Brent H. Goodfellow (D)
Email 3620 South 6000 West
West Valley City, Utah 84128 Home (801) 968-0626
Cell (801) 556-4871
13 Tooele,
Utah Mark B. Madsen (R)
Email P.O. Box 572
Lehi, Utah 84043 Office (801) 361-4787
14 Utah John L. Valentine (R)
Email 857 East 970 North
Orem, Utah 84097 Office (801) 373-6345
Home (801) 224-1693
Fax (801) 377-4991
15 Utah Margaret Dayton (R)
Email 97 West Westview Dr.
Orem, Utah 84058 Home (801) 221-0623
Fax (801) 221-2513
16 Utah Curtis S. Bramble (R)
Email 3663 North 870 East
Provo, Utah 84604 Home (801) 226-3663
Cell (801) 361-5802
Fax (801) 812-8297
17 Box Elder,
Cache,
Tooele Peter C. Knudson (R)
Email 1209 Michelle Dr.
Brigham City, Utah 84302 Office (435) 723-6366
Home (435) 723-2035
Fax (435) 723-6371
18 Davis,Weber Jon J. Greiner (R)
Email 4232 Fern Drive.
Ogden, Utah 84403 Office (801) 629-8226
Home (801) 621-0423
19 Morgan,
Summit,
Weber Allen M. Christensen (R)
Email 1233 East. 2250 Noth.
North Ogden, Utah 84414 Home (801) 782-5600
Cell (801) 710-0315
20 Weber Scott K. Jenkins (R)
Majority Whip
Email 4385 West. 1975 North.
Plain City, Utah 84404 Office (801) 621-5412
Home (801) 731-5120
21 Davis Sheldon Killpack (R)
Majority Leader
Email 3406 South 875 West
Syracuse, Utah 84075 Home (801) 773-5486
22 Davis Gregory S. Bell (R)
Assistant Majority Whip
Email 744 Eagle Way
Fruit Heights, Utah 84037 Office (801) 531-8900
23 Davis Daniel R. Liljenquist (R)
Email 553 So. Davis Blvd
Bountiful, Utah 84010 Home (801) 294-2378
24 Juab,
Piute,
Sanpete,
Sevier,
Tooele,
Wayne Ralph Okerlund (R)
Email 248 S 500 West
Monroe, UT 84754 Home (435) 527-3370
Cell (435) 979-7077
Fax (435) 527-3370
25 Cache,
Rich Lyle W. Hillyard (R)
Email 595 S. Riverwoods Parkway
Suite 100
Logan, Utah 84321 Office (435) 752-2610
Home (435) 753-0043
Fax (435) 753-8895
26 Daggett,
Duchesne,
Summit,
Uintah,
Wasatch Kevin Van Tassell (R)
Email 3424 West 1500 North
Vernal, Utah 84078 Office (435) 789-7082
Home (435) 789-0724
Fax (435) 789-8411
27 Carbon,
Emery,
Grand,
San Juan,
Utah David P. Hinkins (R)
Email P.O. Box 485
Orangeville, UT 84537 Office (435)-748-2828
Home (435)-384-5550
Fax. (435) 748-2089
28 Beaver,
Garfield,
Iron,
Kane,
Millard,
Washington Dennis E. Stowell (R)
Email P.O. Box 796
Parowan, Utah 84761 Home (435) 477-8143
Cell (435) 559-8143
Fax (435) 477-8111
29 Washington Stephen H. Urquhart (R)
Email 634 E 1100 South
St. George, UT 84790 Office(435) 668-7759
Fax (435) 272-4484
 
I was just informed by a good friend and outfitter that the house passed a bill that will put more regulations on outfitters, and although I am not against regulations this bill will basically ruin the small guide or outfitter. The bill was snuck through the channels and hardly anyone knows about it. (this was done on purpose)
If you want to support your guide/outfitter friends please have them go to this website and read about this bill. The bill is HB 0173. To read more about this go to www.utah.gov then to the senate link. I won't post the name of the ONE outfitter in Utah that wants this passed, but this is strictly a bill to eliminate competition in the future. I firmly believe that we need the small time guides/outfitters....not everyone can afford the elite. Hope you will take the time to read more about this and take action within the next couple of days as it has already passed the House. Here are a list of your State representatives that you can e-mail to vioce your opinion on this. I just learned about this tonite so please bear with me.
thanks Catman

Salt Lake Luz Robles (D)
Minority Caucus Mgr
Email 1004 N Morton Drive
Salt Lake City, Utah 84116 Office (801) 521-0407
Home (801) 953-0905
2 Salt Lake Scott D. McCoy (D)
Email 560 East 700 South
Salt Lake City, Utah 84102 Office (801) 533-8383
Home (801) 359-2544
3 Salt Lake Gene Davis (D)
Email 865 Parkway Ave
Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 Home (801) 484-9428
Fax (801) 484-9442
4 Salt Lake Patricia W. Jones (D)
Minority Leader
Email 4571 Sycamore Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84117 Office (801) 322-5722
Home (801) 278-7667
Fax (801) 322-5725
5 Salt Lake Karen Mayne (D)
Assistant Minority Whip
Email 5044 West Bannock Circle
West Valley City, Utah 84120 Home (801) 968-7756
6 Salt Lake Michael G. Waddoups (R)
President
Email 2868 West. Matterhorn Dr.
West Jordan UT 84084 Office (801) 355-1136
Home (801) 967-0225
7 Salt Lake Ross I. Romero (D)
Minority Whip
Email 1150 South 1400 East
Salt Lake City, Utah 84105 Office (801) 844-7229
Home (801) 364-2451
Fax (801) 594-8486
8 Salt Lake Karen W. Morgan (D)
Email 8378 Austrian Way
Salt Lake City, Utah 84121 Office (801) 538-1406
Home (801) 943-0067
Fax (801) 943-9614
9 Salt Lake Wayne Niederhauser (R)
Email 3182 East Granite Woods Lane
Sandy, Utah 84092 Office (801) 558-4766
Home (801) 942-3398
Fax (866) 283-7751
10 Salt Lake D. Chris Buttars (R)
Email 9241 South Lisa Ave.
West Jordan, Utah 84088 Home (801) 561-0535
Fax (801) 561-3242
11 Salt Lake,
Utah Howard A. Stephenson (R)
Email 1038 East 13590 South
Draper, Utah 84020 Office (801) 972-8814
Home (801) 576-1022
12 Salt Lake,
Tooele Brent H. Goodfellow (D)
Email 3620 South 6000 West
West Valley City, Utah 84128 Home (801) 968-0626
Cell (801) 556-4871
13 Tooele,
Utah Mark B. Madsen (R)
Email P.O. Box 572
Lehi, Utah 84043 Office (801) 361-4787
14 Utah John L. Valentine (R)
Email 857 East 970 North
Orem, Utah 84097 Office (801) 373-6345
Home (801) 224-1693
Fax (801) 377-4991
15 Utah Margaret Dayton (R)
Email 97 West Westview Dr.
Orem, Utah 84058 Home (801) 221-0623
Fax (801) 221-2513
16 Utah Curtis S. Bramble (R)
Email 3663 North 870 East
Provo, Utah 84604 Home (801) 226-3663
Cell (801) 361-5802
Fax (801) 812-8297
17 Box Elder,
Cache,
Tooele Peter C. Knudson (R)
Email 1209 Michelle Dr.
Brigham City, Utah 84302 Office (435) 723-6366
Home (435) 723-2035
Fax (435) 723-6371
18 Davis,Weber Jon J. Greiner (R)
Email 4232 Fern Drive.
Ogden, Utah 84403 Office (801) 629-8226
Home (801) 621-0423
19 Morgan,
Summit,
Weber Allen M. Christensen (R)
Email 1233 East. 2250 Noth.
North Ogden, Utah 84414 Home (801) 782-5600
Cell (801) 710-0315
20 Weber Scott K. Jenkins (R)
Majority Whip
Email 4385 West. 1975 North.
Plain City, Utah 84404 Office (801) 621-5412
Home (801) 731-5120
21 Davis Sheldon Killpack (R)
Majority Leader
Email 3406 South 875 West
Syracuse, Utah 84075 Home (801) 773-5486
22 Davis Gregory S. Bell (R)
Assistant Majority Whip
Email 744 Eagle Way
Fruit Heights, Utah 84037 Office (801) 531-8900
23 Davis Daniel R. Liljenquist (R)
Email 553 So. Davis Blvd
Bountiful, Utah 84010 Home (801) 294-2378
24 Juab,
Piute,
Sanpete,
Sevier,
Tooele,
Wayne Ralph Okerlund (R)
Email 248 S 500 West
Monroe, UT 84754 Home (435) 527-3370
Cell (435) 979-7077
Fax (435) 527-3370
25 Cache,
Rich Lyle W. Hillyard (R)
Email 595 S. Riverwoods Parkway
Suite 100
Logan, Utah 84321 Office (435) 752-2610
Home (435) 753-0043
Fax (435) 753-8895
26 Daggett,
Duchesne,
Summit,
Uintah,
Wasatch Kevin Van Tassell (R)
Email 3424 West 1500 North
Vernal, Utah 84078 Office (435) 789-7082
Home (435) 789-0724
Fax (435) 789-8411
27 Carbon,
Emery,
Grand,
San Juan,
Utah David P. Hinkins (R)
Email P.O. Box 485
Orangeville, UT 84537 Office (435)-748-2828
Home (435)-384-5550
Fax. (435) 748-2089
28 Beaver,
Garfield,
Iron,
Kane,
Millard,
Washington Dennis E. Stowell (R)
Email P.O. Box 796
Parowan, Utah 84761 Home (435) 477-8143
Cell (435) 559-8143
Fax (435) 477-8111
29 Washington Stephen H. Urquhart (R)
Email 634 E 1100 South
St. George, UT 84790 Office(435) 668-7759
Fax (435) 272-4484
 
CATMAN the "ONE" does not want this to pass. None of the guides in this state want this bill to pass. It will cost them all, but yes it will cost the little guy the most.

"I'll keep my Freedom, I'll keep my Money, I'll keep my guns! You keep the change.
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"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
CATMAN the "ONE" does not want this to pass. None of the guides in this state want this bill to pass. It will cost them all, but yes it will cost the little guy the most.

"I'll keep my Freedom, I'll keep my Money, I'll keep my guns! You keep the change.
---------------------------------------
"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
My source is VERY reliable :) I just hope for all smaller Outfitters/Guides sake it does not pass. Competition is good, and not everyone can afford to pay what some charge. I agree on all legality, but I'm always for the little guy just trying to make an honest way through life without a bunch of Political B.S. :)
 
My source is VERY reliable :) I just hope for all smaller Outfitters/Guides sake it does not pass. Competition is good, and not everyone can afford to pay what some charge. I agree on all legality, but I'm always for the little guy just trying to make an honest way through life without a bunch of Political B.S. :)
 
It says your screwed PRO. "Must poses a high degree of skill as a guide" to get a license.
HA HA


"I'll keep my Freedom, I'll keep my Money, I'll keep my guns! You keep the change.
---------------------------------------
"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
It says your screwed PRO. "Must poses a high degree of skill as a guide" to get a license.
HA HA


"I'll keep my Freedom, I'll keep my Money, I'll keep my guns! You keep the change.
---------------------------------------
"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
I would get a new source CAT.



I was only kiddin PRO, RELAX.

"I'll keep my Freedom, I'll keep my Money, I'll keep my guns! You keep the change.
---------------------------------------
"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
I would get a new source CAT.



I was only kiddin PRO, RELAX.

"I'll keep my Freedom, I'll keep my Money, I'll keep my guns! You keep the change.
---------------------------------------
"I needed a cheesy signature saying like everyone else"
 
Hmmmmmm, somehow I'm not the least interested!!! I hope the so called "Elite" get to help Utah out seeings how they craped on the out of state hunters.
Keep your points. Keep your hunting to yourselves,; Ha. :) that's a funny. Keep your money up front. Enjoy picin on yourselves now. Remember now, it's all about the money.
Hope your chokin on my points. Haven't donated anymore to your schemes.
I'm tickled sh#tless!!!! ha.
 
Hmmmmmm, somehow I'm not the least interested!!! I hope the so called "Elite" get to help Utah out seeings how they craped on the out of state hunters.
Keep your points. Keep your hunting to yourselves,; Ha. :) that's a funny. Keep your money up front. Enjoy picin on yourselves now. Remember now, it's all about the money.
Hope your chokin on my points. Haven't donated anymore to your schemes.
I'm tickled sh#tless!!!! ha.
 
Looks like the bill will introduce guide licensing to the state of Utah.

It appears that everyone acting in the capacity of a guide will have to be licensed by the DWR and pay a fee and pass certain requirements to be able to become licensed and stay licensed.
 
Looks like the bill will introduce guide licensing to the state of Utah.

It appears that everyone acting in the capacity of a guide will have to be licensed by the DWR and pay a fee and pass certain requirements to be able to become licensed and stay licensed.
 
>Looks like the bill will introduce
>guide licensing to the state
>of Utah.
>
>It appears that everyone acting in
>the capacity of a guide
>will have to be licensed
>by the DWR and pay
>a fee and pass certain
>requirements to be able to
>become licensed and stay licensed.
>


seems logical.
 
>Looks like the bill will introduce
>guide licensing to the state
>of Utah.
>
>It appears that everyone acting in
>the capacity of a guide
>will have to be licensed
>by the DWR and pay
>a fee and pass certain
>requirements to be able to
>become licensed and stay licensed.
>


seems logical.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-09 AT 00:34AM (MST)[p]No fishing will not be part of it. Which is bogus, a guide and outfitter are the same for fishing and hunting.

That means all guides will have to be atleast certified in CPR, and will have to leave all helicopters and ultralights at home.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-09 AT 00:34AM (MST)[p]No fishing will not be part of it. Which is bogus, a guide and outfitter are the same for fishing and hunting.

That means all guides will have to be atleast certified in CPR, and will have to leave all helicopters and ultralights at home.
 
Operating in other regulated states has shown me what a giant waste of time and money it takes to regulate, and that $$$ could & should be used elsewhere. The regulated system is easily used to keep the small guys, or guys that would like to get into the business at bay.



Justin Richins
R&K Hunting Company Inc.
www.thehuntingcompany.com
 
Operating in other regulated states has shown me what a giant waste of time and money it takes to regulate, and that $$$ could & should be used elsewhere. The regulated system is easily used to keep the small guys, or guys that would like to get into the business at bay.



Justin Richins
R&K Hunting Company Inc.
www.thehuntingcompany.com
 
This is just a way for the Gov. to get bigger and make more money. Looks like Nevada all over again. Not a big deal just a pain in the butt. It will cost the outfitter which will cost the customer.

Line 69-70 reads "Wildlife related activity" means to hunt, pursue, catch, capture, trap, kill, LOCATE or collect protected wildlife or its PARTS.

I think that pretty much covers everything from scouting to picking up sheds. Sounds like a full time police job too. Should be a cash cow for the Gov.

I don't see how any outfitter benefits more or less from this bill.
 
This is just a way for the Gov. to get bigger and make more money. Looks like Nevada all over again. Not a big deal just a pain in the butt. It will cost the outfitter which will cost the customer.

Line 69-70 reads "Wildlife related activity" means to hunt, pursue, catch, capture, trap, kill, LOCATE or collect protected wildlife or its PARTS.

I think that pretty much covers everything from scouting to picking up sheds. Sounds like a full time police job too. Should be a cash cow for the Gov.

I don't see how any outfitter benefits more or less from this bill.
 
I have to have a license, pat fees, have all kinds of insurance, take BS tests, and take 6 hours of continuing education every year (which I have to pay for) just to keep my license, so I don;t feel to bad ;-)
 
I have to have a license, pat fees, have all kinds of insurance, take BS tests, and take 6 hours of continuing education every year (which I have to pay for) just to keep my license, so I don;t feel to bad ;-)
 
Well looks like outfitters are headed where they will have an area in the state instead of the run of the state. At least it will throttle back the out of state outfitting operations. Kinda of have to wonder how areas will be allocated. Cant say weather I like the idea or not, just have to see how it shakes out.

Mulehound.
 
Well looks like outfitters are headed where they will have an area in the state instead of the run of the state. At least it will throttle back the out of state outfitting operations. Kinda of have to wonder how areas will be allocated. Cant say weather I like the idea or not, just have to see how it shakes out.

Mulehound.
 
The girl that charges $9 for a haircut at Great Clips has to go to school and be licensed by the state. But someone guiding a person that is carrying a high powered weapon around and getting paid thousands of dollars isn't required to have a license from the state????
 
The girl that charges $9 for a haircut at Great Clips has to go to school and be licensed by the state. But someone guiding a person that is carrying a high powered weapon around and getting paid thousands of dollars isn't required to have a license from the state????
 
Outfitters is what is ruining the sport of hunting. The same thing that is wrong with this country today. GREED.
 
Outfitters is what is ruining the sport of hunting. The same thing that is wrong with this country today. GREED.
 
The way it is written if you take anything for helping someone hunt (beer or dinner after the hunt) you are a guide and subject to the regulations.

Just another money and power grab by the government. We need to throw all of them out and remind them what the Constitution says.

Just had a thought: we should make the lawmakers be licensed guides for all the bribes they take to hunt down legislation for special interest lobbyists.

HAZMAT

www.muddyroad.net
 
The way it is written if you take anything for helping someone hunt (beer or dinner after the hunt) you are a guide and subject to the regulations.

Just another money and power grab by the government. We need to throw all of them out and remind them what the Constitution says.

Just had a thought: we should make the lawmakers be licensed guides for all the bribes they take to hunt down legislation for special interest lobbyists.

HAZMAT

www.muddyroad.net
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-09 AT 11:09PM (MST)[p]Cry me a river, get over yourselves. How is the outfitter ruining hunting? If you people didn't hound us for the biggest animal on the mtn then we wouldn't have a job. It's not the outfitter to blame, it's the hunter who hires us.

Guides are trained. The forest service reguires training before they issue the special use permit. This is not going to do anything to help the community or a business. Wildlife sure does not benefit from this.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-09 AT 11:09PM (MST)[p]Cry me a river, get over yourselves. How is the outfitter ruining hunting? If you people didn't hound us for the biggest animal on the mtn then we wouldn't have a job. It's not the outfitter to blame, it's the hunter who hires us.

Guides are trained. The forest service reguires training before they issue the special use permit. This is not going to do anything to help the community or a business. Wildlife sure does not benefit from this.
 
>It's not the outfitter
>to blame, it's the hunter
>who hires us.


That may be the best outfitter quote I've seen on this site.
 
>It's not the outfitter
>to blame, it's the hunter
>who hires us.


That may be the best outfitter quote I've seen on this site.
 
280remington!!!

DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU BEEN IN THE WOODS???

YA,THERE ARE A FEW MAKING BIG MONEY!!!

BUT FOR THE LITTLE GUY/GUYS!!!

ON AVERAGE THEY DON'T HARDLY BREAK EVEN!!!

SOME OF THE BEST I KNOW HAVE BEAT MORE OUT OF THEIR EQUIPMENT BY FAR THAN WHAT THE HUNT FEE WOULD COVER!!!

I'M TALKING THE LITTLE GUYS!!!

YOU THINK THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY MAKE MILLIONS AT IT YOU'RE VERY WRONG!!!

IT'S JUST ONE MORE F'N WAY OF THIS GREEDY STATE MAKING MORE MONEY!!!

IT WON'T BE LONG & WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSWE TO TAKE A WHIZZ IN THE WILD!!!

EVEN IF THEY GET IT PASSED!!!

THERE WILL STILL BE A BUNCH OF ILEGAL BULLSHITT GOING ON WITH NO ENFORCEMENT!!!

I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE OBEYING RULES BUT YOU GOTTA ENFORCE IT AND THEY CAN'T EVEN ENFORCE THE LAWS THEY'VE ALREADY GOT SO AGAIN THE HONEST GUY PAYS THE PRICE & LOSES AGAIN!!!

"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

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REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
280remington!!!

DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU BEEN IN THE WOODS???

YA,THERE ARE A FEW MAKING BIG MONEY!!!

BUT FOR THE LITTLE GUY/GUYS!!!

ON AVERAGE THEY DON'T HARDLY BREAK EVEN!!!

SOME OF THE BEST I KNOW HAVE BEAT MORE OUT OF THEIR EQUIPMENT BY FAR THAN WHAT THE HUNT FEE WOULD COVER!!!

I'M TALKING THE LITTLE GUYS!!!

YOU THINK THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY MAKE MILLIONS AT IT YOU'RE VERY WRONG!!!

IT'S JUST ONE MORE F'N WAY OF THIS GREEDY STATE MAKING MORE MONEY!!!

IT WON'T BE LONG & WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSWE TO TAKE A WHIZZ IN THE WILD!!!

EVEN IF THEY GET IT PASSED!!!

THERE WILL STILL BE A BUNCH OF ILEGAL BULLSHITT GOING ON WITH NO ENFORCEMENT!!!

I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE OBEYING RULES BUT YOU GOTTA ENFORCE IT AND THEY CAN'T EVEN ENFORCE THE LAWS THEY'VE ALREADY GOT SO AGAIN THE HONEST GUY PAYS THE PRICE & LOSES AGAIN!!!

"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

493c3bb236d04499.jpg


REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
I know nothing about outfitting rules and regs, but isn't wyoming regulated somewhat like this? If they are it still seems to be working out fine for them
 
I know nothing about outfitting rules and regs, but isn't wyoming regulated somewhat like this? If they are it still seems to be working out fine for them
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-11-09 AT 10:01AM (MST)[p]I would like to know why all the "guides" on here are complaining.

I just read the bill line for line, and it seems plenty logical to me. Is it the fee that you are worried about?

Why wouldn't any guide worth his salt, want to be registered, given the pretty lax rules for being registered. If you are really a "guide" wouldn't you want the guys that are out there screwing folks, giving you all a bad name, to drop out? If you charge someone money to guide them, why can't you then be licensed? We require doctors to be licensed, nurses, lawyers, bus drivers, etc., why not guides?

God, all a lot of you do is beotch. Piss on it if it harms me and my way.

Someone tell me, where is the problem? I'm guessing its the fee. What if the fee is only $50? Any problem then? Lets find out who is really worth their salt?

My final rant is this - you elected em - you deal with their CHIT.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-11-09 AT 10:01AM (MST)[p]I would like to know why all the "guides" on here are complaining.

I just read the bill line for line, and it seems plenty logical to me. Is it the fee that you are worried about?

Why wouldn't any guide worth his salt, want to be registered, given the pretty lax rules for being registered. If you are really a "guide" wouldn't you want the guys that are out there screwing folks, giving you all a bad name, to drop out? If you charge someone money to guide them, why can't you then be licensed? We require doctors to be licensed, nurses, lawyers, bus drivers, etc., why not guides?

God, all a lot of you do is beotch. Piss on it if it harms me and my way.

Someone tell me, where is the problem? I'm guessing its the fee. What if the fee is only $50? Any problem then? Lets find out who is really worth their salt?

My final rant is this - you elected em - you deal with their CHIT.
 
My biggest issue is NOT the fees, we already pay nonsensical fees. My issue is all the power on who gets permits and where they get them will be in the hands of FIVE people! Who will these FIVE people be, and who will they cater to? I am 100% in favor of an Outfitter association with teeth in it, but who gets to decide who these FIVE people are, and what oversight will they have on/from the guiding industry?

PRO

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My biggest issue is NOT the fees, we already pay nonsensical fees. My issue is all the power on who gets permits and where they get them will be in the hands of FIVE people! Who will these FIVE people be, and who will they cater to? I am 100% in favor of an Outfitter association with teeth in it, but who gets to decide who these FIVE people are, and what oversight will they have on/from the guiding industry?

PRO

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You are trained alright, a trained bottom feeder. You would sell your soul to the devil. You greedy buggars are what is wrong in this country today. Cry me a river, MAGGOTS.
 
You are trained alright, a trained bottom feeder. You would sell your soul to the devil. You greedy buggars are what is wrong in this country today. Cry me a river, MAGGOTS.
 
+1 on that pro. A select few will have all the power of the areas and tage and thats bull sh@t. And thats why a select few outfitters are motivated to get it done and eliminate there competition.
 
+1 on that pro. A select few will have all the power of the areas and tage and thats bull sh@t. And thats why a select few outfitters are motivated to get it done and eliminate there competition.
 
So let me get this straight. Currently in Utah you don't need any license to be a guide and receive compensation for guiding? Man, I'm moving to Utah. Nevada has required licenses for guides for decades. I thought the old days of unlicensed guiding had gone the way of the buffalo. I think it's time.

For those asking who decides who will be on this board as I read the bill the board would be appointed by the executive director of the commerce board. I may be wrong.

Bill reads:
(1) There is created the Outdoor Guides and Outfitters Licensing Board consisting of
four persons licensed in accordance with this chapter and one member of the Wildlife Board
selected by the Wildlife Board or an employee of the Division of Wildlife Resources appointed
by the Wildlife Board.
2) Except for the Wildlife Board member, the board shall be appointed and serve in
accordance with Section 58-1-201 .


58-1-201 reads:
(1) (a) The executive director shall appoint the members of the boards established under this title. In appointing these members the executive director shall give consideration to recommendations by members of the respective occupations and professions and by their organizations.

58-1-102. Definitions.
For purposes of this title:
(4) "Executive director" means the executive director of the Department of Commerce.
 
So let me get this straight. Currently in Utah you don't need any license to be a guide and receive compensation for guiding? Man, I'm moving to Utah. Nevada has required licenses for guides for decades. I thought the old days of unlicensed guiding had gone the way of the buffalo. I think it's time.

For those asking who decides who will be on this board as I read the bill the board would be appointed by the executive director of the commerce board. I may be wrong.

Bill reads:
(1) There is created the Outdoor Guides and Outfitters Licensing Board consisting of
four persons licensed in accordance with this chapter and one member of the Wildlife Board
selected by the Wildlife Board or an employee of the Division of Wildlife Resources appointed
by the Wildlife Board.
2) Except for the Wildlife Board member, the board shall be appointed and serve in
accordance with Section 58-1-201 .


58-1-201 reads:
(1) (a) The executive director shall appoint the members of the boards established under this title. In appointing these members the executive director shall give consideration to recommendations by members of the respective occupations and professions and by their organizations.

58-1-102. Definitions.
For purposes of this title:
(4) "Executive director" means the executive director of the Department of Commerce.
 
As it stands now anyone with a 4WD truck, a pair of binoculars and some camo can call themselves a "guide" in Utah.
 
As it stands now anyone with a 4WD truck, a pair of binoculars and some camo can call themselves a "guide" in Utah.
 
DID YA JUST NOW NOTICE IT???



"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

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REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
DID YA JUST NOW NOTICE IT???



"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

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REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
I'M NOMINATING HoundDawgyJr!!!



"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

493c3bb236d04499.jpg


REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
I'M NOMINATING HoundDawgyJr!!!



"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

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REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
well, I hate to sound like a prick but I think that's bull$hit. I'm not a fan of any of the guide drama that goes on but shouldn't it be regulated in some way so the customer has a reasonable expectation of being taken care of and a legal recourse if he's not? Do they even have to have a business license? Insurance? Permits? Anything?
 
well, I hate to sound like a prick but I think that's bull$hit. I'm not a fan of any of the guide drama that goes on but shouldn't it be regulated in some way so the customer has a reasonable expectation of being taken care of and a legal recourse if he's not? Do they even have to have a business license? Insurance? Permits? Anything?
 
remington do you even know what your talking about? Are you one of those who just like to hear themselves talking?

As far as what the DWR wants for an outfitter. You need need to have a business lic. and carry insurance. Then on top of that the forest service requires insurance, fees, and training.

Since the state controls the business lic. If an outfitter is doing illegal things, or acting unsafe, or not providing a quality service. Then the state can revoke the business lic. And the forest service and BLM can revoke the special use permit.
 
remington do you even know what your talking about? Are you one of those who just like to hear themselves talking?

As far as what the DWR wants for an outfitter. You need need to have a business lic. and carry insurance. Then on top of that the forest service requires insurance, fees, and training.

Since the state controls the business lic. If an outfitter is doing illegal things, or acting unsafe, or not providing a quality service. Then the state can revoke the business lic. And the forest service and BLM can revoke the special use permit.
 
Nowhere in this bill is there a provision for allocating areas to a limited number of outfitters.

It appears to be modeled after NM's guide and outfitter laws, making it easier for the DWR to enforce themselves rather than have to go thru the FS or BLM.
 
Nowhere in this bill is there a provision for allocating areas to a limited number of outfitters.

It appears to be modeled after NM's guide and outfitter laws, making it easier for the DWR to enforce themselves rather than have to go thru the FS or BLM.
 
When I was guiding in colorado they made pass a cpr class which I thought was good thing
 
When I was guiding in colorado they made pass a cpr class which I thought was good thing
 
All guides are required to be first-aid/CPR certified. All outfitters are required to have a LLC, be insured/bonded, have special use permits for EVERY US forest service/BLM parcel in order to legally outfit/guide in Utah. Those saying "anyone with a 4X4 can guide" is mistaken.

PRO

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All guides are required to be first-aid/CPR certified. All outfitters are required to have a LLC, be insured/bonded, have special use permits for EVERY US forest service/BLM parcel in order to legally outfit/guide in Utah. Those saying "anyone with a 4X4 can guide" is mistaken.

PRO

www.oddiction.com
 
Not trying to argue Pro but who enforces all that?
What agency requires the LLC?
The bonding?
You need to call the BLM and FS to check for permits?

If I have a problem with an outfitter I need to have one number to call, one agency that handles all of it.
 
Not trying to argue Pro but who enforces all that?
What agency requires the LLC?
The bonding?
You need to call the BLM and FS to check for permits?

If I have a problem with an outfitter I need to have one number to call, one agency that handles all of it.
 
if the guide and outfitters are running a business then they should have a business license and carry insurance.

It will be good to get rid of some of the small town guides running around.
 
if the guide and outfitters are running a business then they should have a business license and carry insurance.

It will be good to get rid of some of the small town guides running around.
 
I tried to start a outfitters buisness in 03 There was alot of red tape the insurance policy had to be worth 1 millon dollars the FS permits were a joke you had to be a lawyer to figure out what they wanted in the letter for the permits telling them how you would be staying in tents campers,riding in on horseback I knew sooner or later that the dwr would become more involved in this and as far as the cpr back in 03 was not required in the state of utah cause threr was no one over to check to see if anybody was current on the cpr .outfitters in utah they must have changed that.
 
I tried to start a outfitters buisness in 03 There was alot of red tape the insurance policy had to be worth 1 millon dollars the FS permits were a joke you had to be a lawyer to figure out what they wanted in the letter for the permits telling them how you would be staying in tents campers,riding in on horseback I knew sooner or later that the dwr would become more involved in this and as far as the cpr back in 03 was not required in the state of utah cause threr was no one over to check to see if anybody was current on the cpr .outfitters in utah they must have changed that.
 

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