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A QUESTION FOR NILLY???

elkassassin

elkassassin

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Have You Ever Got The UDWR REGS/Online REGS/UDWR Calendar Out & Studied All The Seasons On The Suffering DRATville Deer Herd?

GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!

Continuous & Over-Lapped From Mid-August Through As Late As November 30th!

JFP!

Where is The Lack Of Opportunity?
 
elkassassin said:
Where is The Lack Of Opportunity?
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Right there, for starters.
 
Ask and ye shall receive.

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This must be the data that makes Hossy do confident that game managers will increase opportunity when deer numbers go up and buck to die ratios exceed the plan…

(Insert sarcasm emoji here!)
 
The Graph is Not true In the Local Region Here!

The Winter Of 92-93 Was A BITTCH!

They Were Hunting Cow Elk So Hard They Had The Deer Pushed High Here Locally & We Got 3-1/2' Of Snow In One Night!

The Snow Crusted & I've Never Seen Coyotes Kill Deer Like They Did That year!

Surprisingly I Seen Some Decent Bucks In 94!

Their Deer Count Is A Guesstimation & Not Accurate!
 
elkassassin said:
Their Deer Count Is A Guesstimation & Not Accurate!
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And there we are.
If hunters don't believe the numbers and the RAC's and WB don't believe the numbers then why have the DWR make the effort to estimate population and recommend tag numbers?

Oh I know! Mandatory reporting will magically fix all the numbers. As long as one of the questions is how many deer did you see?

Cracks me up!
 
middlefork said:
And there we are.
If hunters don't believe the numbers and the RAC's and WB don't believe the numbers then why have the DWR make the effort to estimate population and recommend tag numbers?
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So?

Do you Believe Them Numbers?



middlefork said:
Oh I know! Mandatory reporting will magically fix all the numbers. As long as one of the questions is how many deer did you see?

Cracks me up!
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:D!
 
OK Nilly The CHART Boy?

Please Post The CHART & Number Of Days That Were Spent In The Field Hunting Deer By All Deer Hunters On All The Deer Hunts!

Show Then!

And Show Now!
 
elkassassin said:
OK Nilly The CHART Boy?

Please Post The CHART & Number Of Days That Were Spent In The Field Hunting Deer By All Deer Hunters On All The Deer Hunts!

Show Then!

And Show Now!
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You can go tabulate that data all you want. I couldn’t care less how many days someone else chooses to spend in the field on their hunts.
 
Vanilla said:
Ask and ye shall receive.

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This must be the data that makes Hossy do confident that game managers will increase opportunity when deer numbers go up and buck to die ratios exceed the plan…

(Insert sarcasm emoji here!)
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Any chance you, or anyone else, has a deer population graph that goes back prior to the 90s? Preferably at least into the 70s. I’m pretty intrigued, especially to see the corresponding graph for elk population?
 
I’ve seen them, but I don’t have one on hand. I’m guessing we’d have to comb through the mule deer plans. (At least for deer)
 
Simpleton said:
Any chance you, or anyone else, has a deer population graph that goes back prior to the 90s? Preferably at least into the 70s. I’m pretty intrigued, especially to see the corresponding graph for elk population?
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The answer to that is elk increasing dramatically and deer numbers dropping dramatically a few years later after the lag effect has come into play. Just my theory
 
Alot Of People Don't Know!

Alot Of People Don't Care!

Continuous & Overlapped Hunts Going For Months!

Just When You Think There Isn't Any Way To Add More Hunt's They'll Prove You Wrong!



Hunter21 said:
Pressure basically year round is a lot worse on the deer herd than 200K + hunting for a couple days a year. Just my opinion.
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elkassassin said:
That Does Less Damage To The Deer Herd Than Anybody You Know!
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YES! This could finally be something we can all agree on around here.

For years I've been preaching things like "we as a hunting community need to have at least one thing we can all agree on so we can have a common ground to at least start building something that resembles a foundation to build success on ...".

This could be it! Are there any monster muley members that disagrees that elkassassin having a tag (pretty much any tag) does little if any damage what so ever to our utah herds?

And we all now might to step back and possibly give elkassassin an apology. Most of us at one time or another have accused him of never contributing anything positive around here. Then he post this and totally redeemes himself!

Just giving you a hard time elkassassin. Don't be calling me bad words.
 
Although I am not a fan of the DH program, I don't understand how taking a maximum of 2 deer in three years does damage to a herd.

A GS hunter with a tag every year who fills it annually beats that 🤷‍♂️
 
slamdunk said:
Although I am not a fan of the DH program, I don't understand how taking a maximum of 2 deer in three years does damage to a herd.

A GS hunter with a tag every year who fills it annually beats that 🤷‍♂️
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Thats because your math is off Slamdunk! You see, us regular knuckle heads, that aren't on a special DWR committee, or high ranking mule deer foundation official, or have connections to the dude that runs the expo permit draw in his basement, only get a general season tag every three to five years, on a POS unit, IF we're lucky and point creep don't get us! Not to mention, every five years, when we do draw a tag..... There's no deer because all the DH and LL HOLDER KILLED THEM ALL.
 
Mtngoat690 said:
Thats because your math is off Slamdunk! You see, us regular knuckle heads, that aren't on a special DWR committee, or high ranking mule deer foundation official, or have connections to the dude that runs the expo permit draw in his basement, only get a general season tag every three to five years, on a POS unit, IF we're lucky and point creep don't get us! Not to mention, every five years, when we do draw a tag..... There's no deer because all the DH and LL HOLDER KILLED THEM ALL.
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Lol.....well, if you ever get figured out, I'd like to be in on it, but it sounds too good to be true!! 😁
 
slamdunk said:
Although I am not a fan of the DH program, I don't understand how taking a maximum of 2 deer in three years does damage to a herd.

A GS hunter with a tag every year who fills it annually beats that 🤷‍♂️
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Well, I guess you’d have to ask Bessy. His post wasn’t about killing deer, or even the number of deer. He talked about how season dates stacked upon each other for months on end is hurting deer.

So, I just thought it was an odd complaint for a guy that actually has a tag that lasts that long and is part of that. Odd, indeed!
 
Ya!

The DH's Killed Them All!

That's A Good One!

Maybe You Could Get A COMMITTEE Going & YANK Another Tag So We Can Only Harvest One Deer Every 3 Years!

How Many Donated Hours Have You Put In,In The Last 30 Years?

Mtngoat690 said:
Thats because your math is off Slamdunk! You see, us regular knuckle heads, that aren't on a special DWR committee, or high ranking mule deer foundation official, or have connections to the dude that runs the expo permit draw in his basement, only get a general season tag every three to five years, on a POS unit, IF we're lucky and point creep don't get us! Not to mention, every five years, when we do draw a tag..... There's no deer because all the DH and LL HOLDER KILLED THEM ALL.
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Some of us give our time without being required to in exchange for a tag that lasts for months with seasons stacked upon each other.

But then again, we also aren’t complaining about a hunt calendar that has hunts lasting for months with seasons stacked upon each other.

So there is that.
 
elkassassin said:
Ya!

The DH's Killed Them All!

That's A Good One!

Maybe You Could Get A COMMITTEE Going & YANK Another Tag So We Can Only Harvest One Deer Every 3 Years!

How Many Donated Hours Have You Put In,In The Last 30 Years?
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Define "donated hours" and I can surely try and get a figure together.

Just not sure what your definition is. For example... does it include hours outside of the dedicated hunters program like cleaning up the dikes after the waterfowl season? Finding a trash dump on the mountain roads and loading it up on the weekends and getting it to where it belongs in the dump? Taking a trailer and a group of guys out to the blm land around the lake and cleaning up what the target shooter accidentally left behind? Pheasant forever projects..... ducks unlimited projects and donations....removing old fencing around winter ranges our critters are getting tangled up in? Pulling dyers woad? Volunteer counting animals for number surveys? Do I get any credit hours for fuel and equipment costs?

Get me a definition and I'll throw together a rough number for ya.
 

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