Pyrenees and other livestock guard dogs in WY
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SS!
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<insert South Park meme of guy touching doll to show where buzzH hurt your feelings >
hossblur
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How's it illegal? We have all this power and influence
idahomuleyhunter
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Title 36 Chapter 4 paragraph 5a(in part):
Provided however, that none of the proceeds generated from the auction of bighorn sheep tags pursuant to this paragraph be used to purchase or acquire private property or federally managed grazing permits, nor shall any proceeds generated be used for matching funds for the purchase of private property or the retirement or the acquisition of federally managed grazing permits.
Provided however, that none of the proceeds generated from the auction of bighorn sheep tags pursuant to this paragraph be used to purchase or acquire private property or federally managed grazing permits, nor shall any proceeds generated be used for matching funds for the purchase of private property or the retirement or the acquisition of federally managed grazing permits.
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But thats Idaho, and I guarantee most people don't know the money from that auction tag can't be used for anything productive.
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You missed the point
The point is, the livestock lobby has more political pull than the hunting lobby so they get laws made
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I understand, it's changing. USFS retired some leasing on the Salmon recently. I don't think most hunters know enough about the issue to get involved. If there are 80k hunters in Utah, there sure aren't 80k sheep herders. Or any state. As stated above, write letters, vote. The economic impact of one wild sheep is higher than hundreds(maybe thousands) of domestic.
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Did you wear your camo manbun to go with your 6.5?
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I'm all for that. The economic impact however is a whatever the tag price is. And not every tag pulls auction price. The majority pull resident price. And no, even today, the economy of sheep camp makers, wool mills, meat processors, restaurants and stores, and trucking outfits, dwarfs what wild sheep fetch.
And, to the public. A raise in prices at the store, so you and I can kill a wild sheep, is a tough sale. There all for wild sheep. Not as much for us killing them.
To them, what difference is there in a dead sheep from pneumonia vs. dead sheep from a bullet.
And, to circle back to the OP, there are WAYYYYYY more dog lovers than wild or domestic sheep lovers.
We as hunters aren't nearly the power we used to be. Mostly because we cut out other hunters. Our power, and industry might, is an afterthought. And with UT, and ID the 2fastest growing states, that power decreases, daily.
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We had dinner together, but there was no F***s given. My dog and his together.
It works both ways . My lab got out when I was younger and killed some lamb’s from a local rancher. He knew me, knew my dog and didn’t shoot him. Most ranchers would have. I paid for damages.
The most devastating packs are domestic dogs, however that completely falls on incompetent owners. Same could be said about feral cats and small and upland game populations.
Letters?
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This is quite the thread made of a non issue. Who cares, you should know enough to stay away from a dog who was put on the earth to protect sheep. Probably don't go near the sheep or the dog would be Good option. I've seen them out hunting pretty easy to avoid. Wow what a problem
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Feral cats out in the boonies are a different story. If they're not on the porch, or around a farmhouse, they're targets!!
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He lives in Wyoming. You can’t keep a Wyoming boy from his sheep. Love knows no bounds, and it’s legal in Wyoming!
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There should only be one cat in the world and everyone takes turns to look at it…Feral cats out in the boonies are a different story. If they're not on the porch, or around a farmhouse, they're targets!!
Booming feral cat populations are a disaster, science says. Here are 15 reasons why.
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Hahaha yeah I know you do.
Seems like the guys having problems with sheep dogs might of been doing some sheepy stuff. Relationships can be difficult…
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Just wondering where the sheep ranch is, I know full well bighorns are all over the Laramie Range.
Good grief.
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Driving in from the field today this mean SOB bout Got hit by me. Rolled down my window said you meanie better walk away lol jumped up to visit, if I had there life I would be a mean SOB though ha
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MEAN SOB !!
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Did he scratch your clear coat on the truck?
I hate when dogs jump up like that
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County property. Scratch away!
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Not sure I should do anything that would require me to get drug tested , so no scratches ???
Sheep guard dogs are not always friendly. I remember when a mountain biker in Colorado spent a month in the hospital after being mauled. I have no love for mountain bikers but I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I have had many encounters without incident but one night while hiking after dark I was charged by three of them. I believe that if it wasn't for bear spray I would have been in big trouble.
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Dealing with the experience of Kengal/Anatolian guard dogs damaging my car as I drove slowly through a herd of sheep on a public road but rancher's argument it is Open Range. (Looking at doing a small claims saying the rancher's property damaged my property.) No signage was on road and I had NO dogs with me. They chased me and continued to damage my car for about 1 and a half miles. The cost of damage to my car is $2,300. There is definitely a public safety issue with these LGD (Livestock Guard Dogs)!!
Generally the meadow maggots are out of this country before bird season so I've never had an issue myself. but they absolutely can be aggressive, and they have been shot legally on public land. to say otherwise is ignorant.
If I were to have one attack my GSP's within the range of #6 shot they're dead and I don't give a FF what the repercussions are. the few run ins I've had with them in the summer have been less than friendly but nothing happened. hopefully never will.
If I were to have one attack my GSP's within the range of #6 shot they're dead and I don't give a FF what the repercussions are. the few run ins I've had with them in the summer have been less than friendly but nothing happened. hopefully never will.
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Its an older thread, but a good one. Never really understood the intensity of these dogs until a few years ago coyote hunting in winter. Was about half a mile from a sheep herd and figured it a good spot to set up. Got comfy and let out a locator bark/howl, and sat quietly. I then let out a second one... and glanced in the direction of the sheep herd. Halfway there, I see three big white dogs coming towards me. It didn't take long for me to realize they were coming FOR me.! I got up and booked it up to my vehicle. I got in and the three Pyrenees came bursting through the cedars with murder on their minds 
I was lucky I made it back... I left with them basically watching me go, I could see the disappointment in their faces. 
I was lucky I made it back... I left with them basically watching me go, I could see the disappointment in their faces. 
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Older or newer Subaru?
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Those dogs bluff hard. Just go about your way and pay no attention. They don't even scare off the bears. If your scared of them stay away. The mountains have enough pressure as it is
I was driving on a public road on the mountain in open range. I continued to go my way up the road. I did not dare give them any attention but they continued to tear trim off my car as I carefully drove thru the sheep and then they chased me for a total of 1 and half mile. They continued biting and riping on my car after I was through the sheep herd and I finally drove as fast as the mtn. road would let me and they finally got tired. And yes I am afraid of them! I co-owned a vet clinic for 33 years and I know dog behaviors and these dogs were very aggressive!
Wow shoot the dogs because they are doing what they are bred and raised for??? Interesting…. Naw that’s just assinine
I’m not a big fan of the sheep or the dogs. I’ve called the dogs in when coyote hunting and yeah they can be intimidating. Called them in to about 15 feet but never crossed my mind to shoot them, for doing their job.
Monsters? Really? Put your big boy panties on. They are dogs doing their job. If you are scared of them leave.. pretty simple. Most of them will come up and will lick your hands and be your best friend.
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If I am out hunting and ANY animal is aggressive towards me and I feel like I am going to be injured, I am shooting first as I am the smarter species and I am the one with the gun. I will answer questions afterwards. I am not allowing myself to be bit prior to protecting myself. Y'all can have a field day with me if that is wrong. My life is far more important than giving anything aggressive the benefit of the doubt.
I bow hunted an area last year with sheep and those big white dogs. Buddy told me, find the sheep you'll find the Elk. He was 100% correct. Hunted several days within shooting distance of the sheep and closest dogs were about 10 yards. Other than an occasional bark they were more curious than anything.
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LMMFAO.....coming for you?...or the coyote you were mimicking....???Its an older thread, but a good one. Never really understood the intensity of these dogs until a few years ago coyote hunting in winter. Was about half a mile from a sheep herd and figured it a good spot to set up. Got comfy and let out a locator bark/howl, and sat quietly. I then let out a second one... and glanced in the direction of the sheep herd. Halfway there, I see three big white dogs coming towards me. It didn't take long for me to realize they were coming FOR me.! I got up and booked it up to my vehicle. I got in and the three Pyrenees came bursting through the cedars with murder on their minds
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Short vid about just how protective/ruthless a Pyrenees can be:
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A pack of 15 yotes? I’m skeptical. I was hoping the dork doing the vid would get bit.
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