Here comes Utah again for publc lands

Keystone · 2024-08-20T14:34:26-0600

Heard a commercial on radio this morning g for Utah taking federal lands.

Now I know why.

Keep in mind, Schultz and Adam's are developers, and Cox has big ideas for housing.

One only need ask, how does Utah pay for management of 18 million acres if they don't sell it?

Utah sues federal government for control of 18.5 million acres of land

The state of Utah is filing a lawsuit against the federal government, seeking control of more than 18 million acres of land.

www.fox13now.com

grizzly · 2024-08-20T14:57:08-0600

They know nobody will read the Utah Transfer of Public Lands Act.

It literally codifies the selling of public land.

There's not a single word saying they won't sell public land in the Act. Not one.

elkassassin · 2024-08-20T14:58:48-0600

State Government Fighting Federal Government!

There Oughta Be A Bunch Of Wasted Money On That Deal!

And If The State Gets It They'll Start Selling It!

mulecreek · 2024-08-20T15:01:30-0600

Keystone said:
One only need ask, how does Utah pay for management of 18 million acres if they don't sell it?

Taxes on residents of Utah and taxes, fees, rent, and royalty payments from users of the land.

mulecreek · 2024-08-20T15:40:05-0600

Current BLM cost per acre managed is $6.53/ac. $6.53 x 18.5M ac = $120,805,000 cost of current management. Over the last decade the Federal O&G lease revenue from UT was roughly $190,000,000/yr.

Assume some of this revenue was from FS land and not BLM but safe to say the vast majority is BLM. Math on covering BLM land management costs is a pretty easy win. FS land not so much. But that is not what this lawsuit is about.

HntHrdr · 2024-08-20T18:27:57-0600

Why is it always Utah pushing this issue, better get the checkbooks out, I have a feeling it will go to “friends and family” first if this passes… it’s just nuts though, leave the public land alone

deadibob · 2024-08-20T19:00:18-0600

If this happens Utah will become like Texas when it comes to hunting. All private land and the only way to hunt is to pay a lease. This state has turned into a chithole. As soon as my youngest kid graduates High School I'm outta here like a cat shot in the AZZ!

Oneye · 2024-08-20T21:27:20-0600

Well, I told yall they still wanted them. My only reply is this. Fight for them, contact your legislators, contact the spineless Governor that is Spencer Cox. Contact the speaker of the House Mike Schultz. Contact Stuart Adams the Senate President. I would say it’s more worth fighting for than even 10 years ago. Some of you like the things the current Supreme Court has done, they may very well be willing to entertain putting your public lands in a situation to actually be sold now with a ruling given the make up. The state of Utah has sold around 65% of the state lands it was given at statehood. The state of Utah has proven the only way it can make a profit off of the land it has is to sell 65% and counting with a couple land auctions a year. If you think they won’t sell your lands or are better at managing them, just consider they’ve sold 65% of the lands they’re required to make a profit off of and sell thousands more of those acres every year. If the state of Utah could make money off of managing lands, why is the only way they’ve made money been by selling 65% of their assets they were given at statehood? Don’t kid yourself, your hunting spots are up for auction if the greedy ******* developers and Real Estate folks in the legislature ever get their hands on them.

elkassassin · 2024-08-20T21:57:36-0600

You Voted For Cox!

But Now He's Spineless?

UN-F'N-BELIEVABLE!

Oneye said:
Well, I told yall they still wanted them. My only reply is this. Fight for them, contact your legislators, contact the spineless Governor that is Spencer Cox. Contact the speaker of the House Mike Schultz. Contact Stuart Adams the Senate President. I would say it’s more worth fighting for than even 10 years ago. Some of you like the things the current Supreme Court has done, they may very well be willing to entertain putting your public lands in a situation to actually be sold now with a ruling given the make up. The state of Utah has sold around 65% of the state lands it was given at statehood. The state of Utah has proven the only way it can make a profit off of the land it has is to sell 65% and counting with a couple land auctions a year. If you think they won’t sell your lands or are better at managing them, just consider they’ve sold 65% of the lands they’re required to make a profit off of and sell thousands more of those acres every year. If the state of Utah could make money off of managing lands, why is the only way they’ve made money been by selling 65% of their assets they were given at statehood? Don’t kid yourself, your hunting spots are up for auction if the greedy ******* developers and Real Estate folks in the legislature ever get their hands on them.

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Oneye · 2024-08-20T22:03:31-0600

elkassassin said:
You Voted For Cox!

But Now He's Spineless?

UN-F'N-BELIEVABLE!

He’s spineless. He gives at every turn, and I will admit I actually really regret ever voting for him and never will again. However, as far as we may disagree on many things, the current makeup of the Supreme Court makes the selling of federal public lands more plausible than it has ever been, and we may be far apart on many things, but I’ll fight like hell in lockstep with you to ensure our public lands are never transferred and sold. We can agree management could be better, but management doesn’t matter once there’s a no trespassing sign at out favorite public hunting spot. We beat Jason Chaffetz trying to sell them, but truly, this is plausible given the Supreme Court makeup, more now than before, and hunters better be ready to fight for BLM and Forest Service lands or you will watch some of your spots sold within your lifetime.