elkassassin
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I'll Post this One For Hossy!
I Really Like It Too!
I Really Like It Too!
I have two hunt videos I've created in my lifetime. Coincidentally, both are on the Wasatch for elk and both feature Chris Ledoux songs. So you see GOAT, we are not off topic at all!
I figured this is elkassasins thread and he has driven us off the road as much as anyone so .....
Not sure if you all have been on regular sites but they recruit some pretty serious dudes to moderate those things and they are strict. I would have been contacted and possibly in jail for 30 days by now for posting off topic on this thread alone.
They even have different levels of moderators. So the "administrators " I think are like the low level force. Like mall cops or the lady that watches the lines at lagoon so you don't bud.
Then you have the moderators. They are like the cops that have cuffs and tasers and authority to jail you. Then they have super moderators. Those guys have lethal force authority and they will use it. Yep, USER BANNED!
That's why I can only be on here. I can't help it I read something that reminds me of something and then I just type. Brian can only afford Slamdunk and I noticed he wanders a bit at times himself, so he let's some things slide.
No offense Slamdunk, that's a good thing or I would have nowhere to be.
Can You SPLAIN The USER BANNED Part?
So like if the moderator says "elkassasin, you can't say FN because we know it's a bad word" , then tomorrow you say "that dudes a plick" and the super moderator says "strike 2" under your name and you then reply " O ba!!$, the FN mall cops are after me" ..... then they boot you off, and where it says "long time member" by you name, it would say "USER BANNED " . You can never go back and post . EVER!
I never did that, but I seen it. I usually stop at the "Stay on topic " or one time I got to "strike 2" then I just stopped posting at the end of my 30 day jail sentence.
So?
How Many F'N Strikes Do I Have?
Can You SPLAIN The USER BANNED Part?
Hey goat?
Where Did I Call Niller A Bad Name?
You said "It Won't Be Me PUSSIN Out On THE RIDE If I'm Still Alive!"
Super moderators could take that as you were calling Vanilla and Hawky pu$$ies. You can't name call on some sites. And if that hurt Vanilla, he could also file a hurt feelings report.
GEEZUS!
JUDAS!
That Has Nothing To Do With Me Calling Niller & hawky Names!
Ya & Maybe They Could SIOUX Me Too!
One time I was on a reloading site and I had a specific question I needed someone with experience to answer. There was this one guy who was super smart on the site. He knew his stuff, but he spoke in some sort of engineer/physics lingo. I had no idea what his information meant so I said " do we have anyone on here that can translate nerd language for me I'm not sure what this post is saying.?" BAM! 30 days for name calling. No strikes strait to jail.
18 WASATCH Tags In The EXPO Drawing!
That’s got to make you mad since that is more tags than you would have them give across the entire unit in any given year.
18 WASATCH Tags In The EXPO Drawing!
I Think That Will Make You A Shoe-In Niller!Hey bessy, do you want another fun story about Chris Ledoux?
The year is 2002, and Chris Ledoux had just released a bunch of dates for shows for the year. Surprisingly, Utah did not have a date set on the calendar. My buddy and I were kind of pissed about it.
So we decided to write a strongly worded letter! Okay, maybe just an email to the contact on his website...
But we wrote in expressing our disappointment, and suggested that an artist that had written a song about our great state telling us he would "owe us more than (we'll) ever know," that he should come and play a show for us. It was about six weeks after sending this email that a show was scheduled for Salt Lake City. (West Valley, if we are being technical.) So anyone that was at that concert in August 2002 at the Maverick Center in WVC along with me that night, you are welcome!
If I am not mistaken, that was the last time he played a Utah show before he passed away. I'm going to listen to Chris Ledoux as I walk up to validate my expo entries. I'm guessing that will be my ticket to a 2024 LE Wasatch Bull Elk permit.
Hey bessy, do you want another fun story about Chris Ledoux?
The year is 2002, and Chris Ledoux had just released a bunch of dates for shows for the year. Surprisingly, Utah did not have a date set on the calendar. My buddy and I were kind of pissed about it.
So we decided to write a strongly worded letter! Okay, maybe just an email to the contact on his website...
But we wrote in expressing our disappointment, and suggested that an artist that had written a song about our great state telling us he would "owe us more than (we'll) ever know," that he should come and play a show for us. It was about six weeks after sending this email that a show was scheduled for Salt Lake City. (West Valley, if we are being technical.) So anyone that was at that concert in August 2002 at the Maverick Center in WVC along with me that night, you are welcome!
If I am not mistaken, that was the last time he played a Utah show before he passed away. I'm going to listen to Chris Ledoux as I walk up to validate my expo entries. I'm guessing that will be my ticket to a 2024 LE Wasatch Bull Elk permit.
Hey bessy, do you want another fun story about Chris Ledoux?
The year is 2002, and Chris Ledoux had just released a bunch of dates for shows for the year. Surprisingly, Utah did not have a date set on the calendar. My buddy and I were kind of pissed about it.
So we decided to write a strongly worded letter! Okay, maybe just an email to the contact on his website...
But we wrote in expressing our disappointment, and suggested that an artist that had written a song about our great state telling us he would "owe us more than (we'll) ever know," that he should come and play a show for us. It was about six weeks after sending this email that a show was scheduled for Salt Lake City. (West Valley, if we are being technical.) So anyone that was at that concert in August 2002 at the Maverick Center in WVC along with me that night, you are welcome!
If I am not mistaken, that was the last time he played a Utah show before he passed away. I'm going to listen to Chris Ledoux as I walk up to validate my expo entries. I'm guessing that will be my ticket to a 2024 LE Wasatch Bull Elk permit.
It was all very new. Exciting stuff, for sure!
This was also the time that the Satch was probably starting to enter its prime as a trophy elk unit. The next 5-6 years after this were probably the best the unit ever had to offer for size of bulls. That type of management was not sustainable for a unit like that. Good for those that go one in that timeline.
I think GOAT is just screwing with me at this point. He has done a major behind the scenes recon mission is dropping bread crumbs leading me to a trap where I will suffer an ignominious downfall.
Vanilla to Mtngoat690:
You two should probably just get a room at this point!!![]()
Are you questioning the part where I like to reel in trout as long as my leg or listen to elk bugling in the background while I'm doing this?
2002 was the last time Ledoux came to Utah. Not the first.
Keep up Bessy!
We observed the same as you on the Wasatch and Manti this year. I am maybe a bit more optimistic about the bulls being able to bounce back in antler quality. We did see bulls each day but they were smaller than other years. Fingers crossed with some milder winters.As long as the annual harvest age objective is inline with the elk management plan there is no management incentive to make changes.
I hunted the Wasatch at least 15 days in 2023 and saw one bull over 300. He was a bonified 340-350 bull that was in the deepest darkest place I've ever ventured on the Wasatch. I watched him for about 10 minutes. I saw dozens of satellite bulls and one awesome super spike. The herds seemed smaller and more spread out this year because there was so much water. I'd be shocked if the overall success rate wasn't lower than normal across all the hunts in 2023. The bulls just didn't put on very much length even though the mass was good.
I have zero faith that the Wasatch will ever be what it once was. If you want a 320+ bull, or even a solid 6x6, look elsewhere or you will be disappointed. They do still exist, but they are rare on public lands. The CWMUs are a safe haven and do get bigger bulls typically.
Just my two cents.
We observed the same as you on the Wasatch and Manti this year. I am maybe a bit more optimistic about the bulls being able to bounce back in antler quality. We did see bulls each day but they were smaller than other years. Fingers crossed with some milder winters.
Well Here's The Deal:
Not All!
But Most!
DRATS Have Perty THICK Skulls Around Here THANK GOD!
There Are Exceptions To The Rule!
Well I thought I had wasted the last two hours of my time reading this post. Then realized I just read about a beginning Bromance right here on MM.
Well said!For some guys it matters, and not in an unhealthy ‘need a 380” or nothing’ kind of way.
But after sitting through elk committee, and just getting to a different place personally, I can confidently say there’s far more guys who have opportunistic priorities set well above size. Bessy is very much the vocal minority.
Most people who hunt have no idea what a 300” bull is. They’ll do a quick brush up on the internet looking at a few YouTube videos, and a google image search the year they draw. Then head out, wanting nothing more than a fun hunt with family that culminates in a punched tag.
The surveys back this up, my personal experience talking with a ton of people that walk thru the marina and guiding all coincide.
So yes, I’m serious. We got fed a bill of sour goods by a loud group of seasoned hunters who thought they could create this utopia of mature animals with no regard for the consequences. The consequences are obvious to us today, and when we consider what the majority of hunters want, inches, LE, waiting periods, age class, etc etc are well down the list of priorities that impact satisfaction. Family and frequency were the dominant desires for the surveyed outdoorsmen in this state.
I hope that peoples fear of it being bad are wrong, and that the optimism of others is correct since elk hunting is something I won't get to do many more times.
Lets hope for the best
And That Right There Is Coming Straight Out Of The Mouth Of An OPPORTUNISTS Mouth That Doesn't Have Any Experience On Many of The LE Units!This entirely comes down to perspective. If you look at this thread closely, you can clearly delineate realistic vs outrageous expectations. There are some in the middle as well.
If 380 is one’s standard, just get used to them pissing and moaning. There isn’t a unit in the world that produces high numbers of those. Never has been. But a lot of units produce some every once in a while. The most restrictive trophy units will produce a handful of them.
We could produce more, no doubt, if we all adopted an anti-hunting mentality and just wanted to see the king’s men post about them on the internet while us peasants just argue.
Oh…wait. Isn’t that what is happening now in some areas???
The Wasatch is fine. If you can’t create a fun and memorable hunt on the Wasatch that is a “you” problem. (Not you specifically, nocwalker. Just speaking generally there.)
I’ve seen plenty of elk the last 3 weeks on the unit I’m sure you’ll find some bulls that will make you happy.for some reason this is the first I've seen this thread. Well, we pulled 2 of the 11 random archery tags from Pa. as NR's. We don't necessarily need 380" bulls , we need lots of bulls since we don't have enough elk experience. So, after reading this I hope there is plenty of mature bulls in the herd. Thats the reason I target LE units. We will screw up some opportunities, we will make mistakes, and I don't fully understand the language, etc.
I hope that peoples fear of it being bad are wrong, and that the optimism of others is correct since elk hunting is something I won't get to do many more times.
Lets hope for the best
I hunted the Wasatch in 2009 , nice bulls everywhere and seems like everyone had nice racks in the back of there trucks .
I didn’t see any , I saw one down in the bottom of a canyon , I didn’t go after it , saw hundreds of other hunters hunting for spikes in a LE unitYes Sir!
Did They All Have Nice Racks In The Back Of Their Trucks In 2022- 2023?
I didn’t see any , I saw one down in the bottom of a canyon , I didn’t go after it , saw hundreds of other hunters hunting for spikes in a LE unit
Nocwalker…I rest my case!
I’m almost positive you’re going to be able to have an awesome hunt. Just don’t listen to anything the anti hunter that only complains about what he doesn’t see on his “drives” has to say.
I assure you that there are guys on this thread that have more knowledge of the unit in their little finger than elkassassin has in his entire body. I don’t claim to be one, but find those guys and listen to them. Some people just like to b$&C£ all the time. We’ve got a word for them…
FFS Bess would you burn those points already!
FFS Bess would you burn those points already!
I don’t shoot like I used to, everyone’s doing it now. Retired the 30-378. So is it true you finally drew your elk tag?Well HOT DAMN!
Look Who CHIMES In Every 5 Years Or So!
So REDDOG?
Is Your Shooting Range 3 Or 4 Miles Now?
How Many More 30-378 Barrels Have You Toasted?
CHIME In A Little More Often Will Ya?
If you drew San Juan Elk I would love to hear of any Deer sightings please?I don’t shoot like I used to, everyone’s doing it now. Retired the 30-378. So is it true you finally drew your elk tag?