2024 Hunt Permit Recommendations are out

Mallardsx2 said:
Never bothered to change my application before but can I change it to a different unit if I already submitted it?
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Yes you can - change it as many times as you want before the app deadline for no additional charge. This is a great change - I hated that they used to charge you a new app fee every time you wanted to change something.

Kudos to the DWR for adding tags on units where survival rates are high and deer are doing well. Heaven forbid we keep hunting a thing!! 🤷‍♂️
 
Wow, your Buck hunts must be doing great on the general seasons units

Boulder + 800

Pine Valley + 900

Zion + 975

Is the buck hunting really that good on those units to justify such a huge tag increase?
 
buckhorn said:
Wow, your Buck hunts must be doing great on the general seasons units

Boulder + 800

Pine Valley + 900

Zion + 975

Is the buck hunting really that good on those units to justify such a huge tag increase?
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Well if you like forked horns I’m sure they will be on offer with great production last spring and probably this one too
 
There Ain't Many But There Shouldn't Be A Doe Hunt Anywhere In This State!

I Can Here It Now:

A Few/Probably The Same Few Will Be At The WB Meeting & Saying What They Always Say:

Walk Up To The Mike & Say:

We Totally Agree With All Of The Recommendations Just Like Always!

End Of Story!
 
Looks like they are they are running with the "health of the herd is better with lower buck to doe ratio". Smoke em if we if we got em before another bad winter gets them. General season is an opportunity hunt after all. Probably a big fight at the south RAC meeting about Pine Valley. Increase of 1100 tags, 48% increase from last years number.
 
buckhorn said:
I see the Pine Valley ALW Hunts are taking 7-8 nonresident points to draw.
The others are not far behind!
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Long wait for a forkie! Although I’m sure there’s some good bucks around..7-8 points sounds like a longgg time to wait for that. Crazy what things have come to.

Although in your neck of the woods 7-8 points doesn’t mean a darn thing for nonresidents 😂
 
willfrye027 said:
Long wait for a forkie! Although I’m sure there’s some good bucks around..7-8 points sounds like a longgg time to wait for that. Crazy what things have come to.

Although in your neck of the woods 7-8 points doesn’t mean a darn thing for nonresidents 😂
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For sure!
Nevada Area 24 just across the line from Pine valley has about 50 tags this year
 
I wonder if the bulk of the increases will go to archery or muzzleloader. Or will I spread it evenly across-the-board?
 
middlefork said:
You could look at the link and see for yourself if you are really interested.
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I did look but I must’ve missed it.
I was only looking at general season deer. I guess you didn’t read my earlier post.
I’ll look again.
Thanks
 
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buckhorn said:
I wonder if the bulk of the increases will go to archery or muzzleloader. Or will I spread it evenly across-the-board?
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It will be spread out. They have a certain percentage of tags per hunt type per unit....I believe the mid season hunts give out the majority of tags so that hunt will gain more tags if I'm not mistaken.
 
OutdoorAddict10 said:
It will be spread out. They have a certain percentage of tags per hunt type per unit....I believe the mid season hunts give out the majority of tags so that hunt will gain more tags if I'm not mistaken.
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20 percent archery/ 20 percent muzzy/ 20 percent early rifle / 40 percent late rifle. If no early rifle, then 60 percent rifle.
 
buckhorn said:
Wow, your Buck hunts must be doing great on the general seasons units

Boulder + 800

Pine Valley + 900

Zion + 975

Is the buck hunting really that good on those units to justify such a huge tag increase?
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That's what was proposed last year but the WB turned it down and went with the 2022 numbers. They may do the same thing again this year. Who knows.
 
How Bout The Book Cliffs Roadless Bison Cow Hunt?

Did They Give The Guys That Got Their Asses Kicked Last Year A Re-Issue Of Tags?

I See Where There's A MUZZ Cow Buffalo Hunt In The Roadless Book Cliffs That's Dotted Out!
 
OutdoorAddict10 said:
It will be spread out. They have a certain percentage of tags per hunt type per unit....I believe the mid season hunts give out the majority of tags so that hunt will gain more tags if I'm not mistaken.
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I was thinking, maybe with the elimination of scopes on muzzleloaders they might give more of the increase in tags to the muzzleloader hunts.
I remember hearing that eliminating scopes on muzzleloaders would create more opportunity for increased tags since the success rates will be lower for muzzleloaders without scopes.
 
buckhorn said:
For sure!
Nevada Area 24 just across the line from Pine valley has about 50 tags this year
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I still can’t believe I got that tag in 2022. Looking at the odds for being one of the few lucky NR…sheesh.

It is nice that Nevada is slow to increase tags. I don’t blame Utah for increasing opportunity, on the other hand. Young bucks have a high mortality even without hunters in the picture..testosterone and young age is a risky combo
 
buckhorn said:
Wow, your Buck hunts must be doing great on the general seasons units

Boulder + 800

Pine Valley + 900

Zion + 975

Is the buck hunting really that good on those units to justify such a huge tag increase?
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I do think those increases are a bit much. Hopefully the WB approves a number somewhere in the middle of those increases.
 
ridgetops said:
20 percent archery/ 20 percent muzzy/ 20 percent early rifle / 40 percent late rifle. If no early rifle, then 60 percent rifle.
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Missing mid season and the late archery. I think late season is only 3% of tags. Tried to find the correct percentages but can't find then on the dwr website.
 
buckhorn said:
I was thinking, maybe with the elimination of scopes on muzzleloaders they might give more of the increase in tags to the muzzleloader hunts.
I remember hearing that eliminating scopes on muzzleloaders would create more opportunity for increased tags since the success rates will be lower for muzzleloaders without scopes.
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I would hope they do that rather than give the majority of tags during the mid season rifle hunt.
 
Nonresident shed season to start may 1. Year round for residents. Sounds like they wanted some kind of reciprocity but it got to complicated. Sorry non residents. Thank Wyoming.
 
So night vision use, will this be spotlighting as well on the LE deer units? I know this is a tactic that some have been using for years to locate a big buck to hunt the next morning?
 
Might Wanna Check Out Deer Numbers On The Henries Before You Wish For More tags There!

Yes There's Still Some PISSCUTTERS Left Most Joe Blow Hunters Would Shoot After Season Closes!

But We Need Some Left In Hopes A Few Get To The Next Age Class For The Following Years Hunts!

I Will Make You This Guarantee ridge:

If The Henries Could Handle Any More Tags The DWR Would Damn Sure Be Handing Them Out!

I Remember When The Henry Mountains Unit Was Closed!

You Don't Wanna See That Again Do You?

I'll Let Somebody-else CHIME In For The Vernon!







ridgetops said:
I'm not going to be happy until the units are managed for the common folk and not for the outfitters and wealthy. It would have been nice to see a few more tags on the Henries and Vernon too.
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elkassassin said:
Might Wanna Check Out Deer Numbers On The Henries Before You Wish For More tags There!

Yes There's Still Some PISSCUTTERS Left Most Joe Blow Hunters Would Shoot After Season Closes!

But We Need Some Left In Hopes A Few Get To The Next Age Class For The Following Years Hunts!

I Will Make You This Guarantee ridge:

If The Henries Could Handle Any More Tags The DWR Would Damn Sure Be Handing Them Out!

I Remember When The Henry Mountains Unit Was Closed!

You Don't Wanna See That Again Do You?

I'll Let Somebody-else CHIME In For The Vernon!
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If the bucks were managed a better way on those premium units, we would see better results. Management by age harvest is a terrible way to manage. Especially when aging by teeth is somewhat unreliable. Talk about status quo.
 
Thanks for posting this.

I think we’re jumping the gun on GS deer permits. I say give it one or two more years before an increase.

The LE late season Archery elk needs a lot more numbers added to it. The success was way low.
 
Not Gonna Argue About Age By Teeth!

We All Know That's Not Been Accurate!

But We Keep Doing The Same STUPID SShhitt Don't We?



ridgetops said:
If the bucks were managed a better way on those premium units, we would see better results. Management by age harvest is a terrible way to manage. Especially when aging by teeth is somewhat unreliable. Talk about status quo.
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buckhorn said:
I was thinking, maybe with the elimination of scopes on muzzleloaders they might give more of the increase in tags to the muzzleloader hunts.
I remember hearing that eliminating scopes on muzzleloaders would create more opportunity for increased tags since the success rates will be lower for muzzleloaders without scopes.
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Nope! Logic says that’s what should be done. It’s never been based on logic though!
 
Elkrunning-Scared said:
Thanks for posting this.

I think we’re jumping the gun on GS deer permits. I say give it one or two more years before an increase.

The LE late season Archery elk needs a lot more numbers added to it. The success was way low.
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That was the biggest surprise to me - I thought they would double the late season archery tags. Low impact, low success, but likely still enjoyable time hunting. Interesting option for some low point holders (non-residents with 0-15 points) to at least be able to hunt. Might even clear a couple mid-range point holders.
 
Looks like the plan to ruin the elk hunting is proceeding . maybe I'm wrong and more tags is how you fix falling elk numbers and lower age class.
 
Togwotee said:
Looks like the plan to ruin the elk hunting is proceeding . maybe I'm wrong and more tags is how you fix falling elk numbers and lower age class.
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What?
"We recommend 3,179 traditional limited-entry permits for 2024. This is an increase of 45 permits from the 3,134 permits issued in 2023. The most notable change in this category is the proposed reduction of 125 permits on the Wasatch Mtns unit, from 951 permits to 826 permits. We propose this 13% reduction to compensate for a decrease in the average age of harvested bulls."
 
The Wasatch Has Been Over Hunted For Years!

The Last 2 Years It's Really Been Showing!

One More Unit/Herd Turned In To Money!



middlefork said:
What?
"We recommend 3,179 traditional limited-entry permits for 2024. This is an increase of 45 permits from the 3,134 permits issued in 2023. The most notable change in this category is the proposed reduction of 125 permits on the Wasatch Mtns unit, from 951 permits to 826 permits. We propose this 13% reduction to compensate for a decrease in the average age of harvested bulls."
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I just got home from the week down in the Pine Valley Desert Ram units (Beaver Dam & Virgin River units).


There are so many deer, for real.



I'm thinking about dumping my LE Deer points on the Muzzy/Gen unit buck tag. Luck of the Draw for sure.



I was showing a guy and his Mrs. around both D-Ram units as 1 of them should draw a tag this year.



Robb
 
It's spring break so I'll not be teaching biology other than to once again point out that males are excess. That's why we hunt males.

As an opportunist I'll also point out, "we" decided at some point to take the most productive areas and create trophy hunting. If your goal in life are units with 40" bucks on every switch back, those are the units you should concern yourself with. The opportunists will take a tag and HUNT(hunting and killing aren't the same).

Record setting profits once again for $fw for all that "conservation" should lead to expanding hunting, right?

Of the three of us at my house, looks like 2 of us are sucking at the OIL game. Fewer bison, less moose😳
 
Hey Hossy?

Can You PM Them Units With The 40"ERS On Every Switchback In This State?

I Guess I Haven't Been To Any Of Them Units & Neither Have You!

So PM Please We Don't Wanna Publicize These Places!


hossblur said:
It's spring break so I'll not be teaching biology other than to once again point out that males are excess. That's why we hunt males.

As an opportunist I'll also point out, "we" decided at some point to take the most productive areas and create trophy hunting. If your goal in life are units with 40" bucks on every switch back, those are the units you should concern yourself with. The opportunists will take a tag and HUNT(hunting and killing aren't the same).

Record setting profits once again for $fw for all that "conservation" should lead to expanding hunting, right?

Of the three of us at my house, looks like 2 of us are sucking at the OIL game. Fewer bison, less moose😳
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I should know this, but can’t remember or where to look, where do the dedicated hunter tags come from? Is that a separate pool or do they pull from existing GS deer tags?
 
berrysblaster said:
I should know this, but can’t remember or where to look, where do the dedicated hunter tags come from? Is that a separate pool or do they pull from existing GS deer tags?
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I think it's 10% of total tags. That's why on years with tag cuts they issue 0 tags to the dedicated that year due to the fact the current dedicated hunters are already taking the 10%.

fyi (it Might be 15%, but I think it's 10)
 
JakeH said:
I think it's 10% of total tags. That's why on years with tag cuts they issue 0 tags to the dedicated that year due to the fact the current dedicated hunters are already taking the 10%.

fyi (it Might be 15%, but I think it's 10)
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It's 15 percent
 
JakeH said:
I think it's 10% of total tags. That's why on years with tag cuts they issue 0 tags to the dedicated that year due to the fact the current dedicated hunters are already taking the 10%.

fyi (it Might be 15%, but I think it's 10)
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This ☝️. It is a percentage of total issued tags for that unit.
 
ridgetops said:
Really? 😲
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Got to read into the sarcasm there;), but the deer herd on Boulder is hurting. Ratios are skewed based on the actual number of deer. Low herd numbers can have high buck to doe ratios....because its a ratio, not based on herd numbers. It is fine to use a ratio if the herd numbers are at the level of the carrying capacity of the unit they are referring to. Boulder is not close to carrying capacity so using ratios doesn't work!
 
ridgetops said:
What exactly are you referring to?
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You know where I hunt and last year i didn’t see the numbers that would validate a tag increase. I think the DWR looks at the $ they can make from the tags vs the well being of the deer herds
 
6pointbull said:
Got to read into the sarcasm there;), but the deer herd on Boulder is hurting. Ratios are skewed based on the actual number of deer. Low herd numbers can have high buck to doe ratios....because its a ratio, not based on herd numbers. It is fine to use a ratio if the herd numbers are at the level of the carrying capacity of the unit they are referring to. Boulder is not close to carrying capacity so using ratios doesn't work!
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I was being sarcastic too. If the hunter numbers were determined solely on buck to doe ratios, I would be fully against that type of management but that's not the case at all. The dwr takes account fawn survival, winter losses, overall herd numbers and buck to doe ratios. Since the boulder buck/ doe ratio rose from 23 to 30/100 from 2022 to 2023. That sure looks like to me that the bucks were not over hunted in 22 or 23. An increase in tags on that unit seems justified.
 
The Boulder shows a 25/100 3 year average and 800 tag increase while the beaver shows 17.5/100 3 year average and gets a 600 tag increase. Beaver unit does not even make the 18-20 buck to doe average. Explain that one?
 
southernutahhunter said:
The Boulder shows a 25/100 3 year average and 800 tag increase while the beaver shows 17.5/100 3 year average and gets a 600 tag increase. Beaver unit does not even make the 18-20 buck to doe average. Explain that one?
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Even though the beaver has increased the buck / doe ratio by 25 percent the last two years and now is at the top end of the management plan for those ratios. If I was on one of the boards, I'd vote for a more conservative increase. Probably 300 tags. Putting it at 1500.
 
southernutahhunter said:
It is not at the top end. 17.5 is still below the bottom end on the 3 year average.
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This year it's at 20.4. That's above the 18-20 ratio. I get what you're saying about the three year average being the needle we should be looking at. In the end, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to keep that unit the same for one more year. I'm guessing there must have been a good fawn carry over to suggest more tags as long with poor range habitat conditions.
 
I cover most all of the Beaver unit with several other sportsmen that hunt that unit. There just is not enough deer to justify any tag increase. They may be guessing a good fawn crop but a post deer hunt count of 20.4 bucks per 100 doe is just a terrible estimate. I have been in all those wintering grounds. You would be hard pressed to find 10 per 100 doe. I hope this is not going on in all the southern units
 

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