#2 How about Residents have to pay NR prices for the 2nd draw?
I’ve compiled a list of businesses in Wyoming (besides outfitters) that need non resident hunters to stay in business:
What a load of crap.
County commissioners have little to Zero role in wildlife tag allocation though they do occasionally help with where sewer lines drain, hopefully aimed at surrounding states.
You are flat out wrong about small towns and their livelihood.
I would go for that if other states would reimburse me 1/2 of license and points I got invested. The other 1/2 would be donation!! ?
Hey jims jump on over to the Colorado forum and show your support for the NR in regards to bill 21-150. Seems you only chime in on Wyoming issues, but not a word when it comes to your home state of Colorado. You lost all credibility....
Ummmm we can’t control population growth so let’s focus on what we can control.
I agree. Sadly, the west is changing fast and we won't recognize it 5-10 years from now.
And you can bet those “new neighbors” are gonna vote for leaders that think like their old leaders “back home”. Soon your dearly beloved Wyoming will turn purple and then blue. Then it’s over. I see it happening here in Tennessee. We are currently U-haul’s #1 destination state. But this isn’t what we are discussing here.
Like everything else it just takes "time and pressure".
Residents are supporting the local economies 365 days a year.
I stated the money spent in Montana but yes I needed windshield wipers. My point was being a non-resident in Montana that was the amount of revenue I brought in
If cost becomes the difference between me, my kids and grandkids hunting, I'll mortgage the house. Hunting in my family is not about the money.
To clarify, what do you mean? You don't support 90/10 because of Mountain Pursuits?
It is for me until it's not fun anymore. If it gets to where I'm causing my family stress and asking them to sacrifice for me and what I want it's not fun. I've got a mortgage, I've got kids that need braces,there isn't a simple solution. I apply in Wyoming and took cade my 13 year old there for a doe antelope hunt last year. Fun. Stopped at a check station on the way out. It had been windy and I had told cade to keep the tag in his pocket. Check station officer was friendly and more concerned that cade had fun. Nice. My wife tolerates my hunting and even participates occasionally. She did comment once that we run into more rude people when we are hunting than when we hike or camp. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that there is limited supply and its getting to be more of a competitive sport than it should be. Musings of a roofer.
The group linked by the op, appears to be Mountain Pursuits affiliated, ran by Rob Shaul. As such I am going to be very careful to support the "307Hunter" group as I do not see the clear line between the 2 and they appear to be one in the same. I am not confident that my money would only go to support 90/10 and not be used to ban coyote hunts, bear baiting, trail cameras or anything else the elites at Mountain Pursuit deem unethical (pretty sure they will at some point take a stance on hound hunting, and trapping as well).
Judgemental? I swung in for a few and I'm out. Wow.
Maybe. But I’m not whining about states keeping from doing what I love!
You will never agree with everything any lobbying action group endorses but at least they aren’t overpaid professionals like Muley Fanatic Foundation and many others soaking up a cool $132,000 salary but more of a grass roots effort mostly all volunteer force to try and help resident DIY hunters.
I could afford Mexico now but it seems like it’s more of a shoot down there than a hunt. I want to go DIY if possible....
I get that and agree about MFF. But not about to sacrifice predator hunts, ecallers, baiting for bears... Coming from a state where predator hunters are constantly attacked, I will not support that here...
Mountain pursuit surely endorses predator hunting. You are misinformed. We will never agree 100% on all issues but a grass roots mostly all volunteer group which promotes the focus of traditional fair chase practices and hunting ethics and seem to be waylaid by out of control current technological advances. They also think license allocations should be more resident-focused hence the push for 90/10. The alternative is professional extremely expensive and overpaid lobbyists who never really deliver any benefits to resident DIY hunters like MFF senior officials making 132K per year and the other wildlife advocate groups make similar salaries. The alternative is wasting our contribution dollars and having the Outfitter Industry run our political system and tag allocation process. Sometimes it’s time to circle the wagons. https://www.307hunter.com/articles/why-did-the-wyoming-wildlife-federation-betray-resident-hunters
Yeah, but Butthead lives in Oregon.
They live in Oregon and hunt on a General license but don’t want any tags going to NR.
I am not willing to give up baiting for bears, e-callers and predator hunts. I see nothing wrong with those items and they are the backbone of what Mountain Pursuits stand for...
Fail. You are misinformed. They support predator hunting full on though bear baiting is controversial but that’s just a very small issue of 307 hunter platform. Currently the focus is 90/10. You can read their platform yourself.
Make me some diamonds then lol
Nope not at all... They are specifically against any organized hunt for coyotes. That is what is meant by a coyote hunt. They oppose organized hunts. They also oppose electronic callers for predators, and as mentioned bear baits.
Nope you are incorrect. Have you ever tried running a bait station for bears? Have you ever hunted over one? Sorry but the use of bait is biologically important. It allows for targeted harvest of specific animals, it allows hunters to determine sex, age, size, etc. More importantly it along with hound hunting is the only true way to control bear populations and keep them in check with the habitat. With out hounds and bait there is not a state wildlife agency that has kept the bear populations at objective.
I have chose to not hunt bears over bait. It’s goes against my ethics/morals. But yes I have sat on bear bait stations.
Organized coyote contests give a sore eye to hunters especially with social media. Being anti coyote contest is a far cry from being anti predator management.
With that question I'm curious on your position of using dogs for bears and cats? Obviously most hunters would be against using dogs to chase deer, elk, moose, etc, but are fine with them for bears and cats.
307 Hunter is certainly NOT a left leaning hunting group of any sort. This is a grass roots, mostly all volunteer DIY hunter group and the leader Rob Shaul is a fifth generation Wyomingite. The Outfitters have stacked the deck against Wyoming DIY hunters and this group is pushing back hard for Wyoming Resident hunters. Sure they may not agree with all of your own political leanings and hunting agenda but by and large it’s time we Circle the Wagons and try and get what every Western state has on par ie that of 90/10 of the premium hunting tags going to Residents. No Western state allows 25% of premium tags like sheep and buffalo to go to NR. The new Wyoming Governor formed
In Wyoming that question has already been answered.
Look at states that have went to only spot and stalk. The data from those states paint a significantly different picture than from data in states with hounds and baiting. Look at the bear population in such states where bait, has been eliminated. The data does not lie, Colorado, California, New York, New jersey, etc. I challenge you to look at the data yourself and tell me what bear management look like and what does is cause. Biologically important, yes in the extent to which it allows game managers the ability to keep the population down.
First you state they are against predator hunting. Now you feebly attempt to qualify your position as it has been demonstrated as FALLACIOUS. Get your Facts straight.
Colorado hunting is long term doomed with their new Wolf policy. It won’t matter soon in Colorado regarding bear baiting as there Big Game hunting will spiral downhill as Wolf numbers grow exponentially there. The southern Wyoming border with Colorado will likely get a boost in Big game numbers as Wolves are eliminated as predators and Big Game populations migrate to safe haven areas.
Tristate96,
Great question. I’m ok with the use of hounds etc based off what I do know about it. I have no idea experience using them. With that said I could see the non hunter having issues with using dogs for hunting. Where does one draw the line? Birds? Cats? I dunno.
HAHA... Not left leaning? The president of the group is on record speaking against ecallers, baiting, etc. Once those are gone what will he need to attack next? Again sorry but I do not
I will give you that Montana is an exception, but the interesting thing looking at MT is that the bear season is really long when you add it all up. Months in the spring and months in the fall. So I suppose that if Colorado and other states were able to have multi month spring season and a multi month fall season it would not be as much of a need. But when you cut hounds and bait without a massive increase in season length it goes south.
HAHA and how do you think that hunting in Colorado started down the path of being doomed? What do you think happened first in the state.... They first started off with a trapping ban, then a hound ban, then a baiting ban (all passed at the same relative time), then a spring hunt ban, then a coyote hunt ban, now they are looking at bans on bobcats all together, no live traps, etc.
Since when did hunters wanting certain hunting regulations imposed on themselves become "left leaning"?
That’s not the point. SS says he doesn’t think bears should be baited. Then asked a leading question imo. So I was curious his opinion on using dogs for bear and cat hunting.
Welcome to belonging to a "group" with a membership of exactly ONE person.
Who says Colorado has a bear problem? You the armchair biologist that has done a peer reviewed study that baiting bears makes sense biologically? ??????
Alaska also kills more bears by spot and stalk than bait.
Nice throw back Thursday pic. That beard isn’t red anymore!
Yes because this issue isn't dividing hunters at all.
Does 90-10 in Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Oregon, New Mexico, Arizona divide hunters?
What is to be divisive about what every other Western state is now offering and Wyoming is just trying to become on par with every other Western state. Even Colorado has 90/10 for Moone, Bighorn sheep and Mountain goat. Wyoming has been far far too generous at the cost of Wyoming residents receiving many premium tags now just drifting away. We are just trying to NOT be divisive and get what we and every other state in the West is offering, ie United We Stand.
The first line in your argument is the problem. None of these regulations are imposed on themselves. You are not seeing hounds men call for no more hound hunting. You do not hear people who trap call for trapping bans. You do not hear anyone that is seriously into Coyote hunting calling for electronic call ban. What you have are people who do not practice those things calling for the bans.
haha. In one state we have a system where it might be working. Funny however that same state is constantly battling and trying to get hounds for hunting bears. The issue however is in states that ban bait, the next target is to eliminate the spring season. You know how unfair it is to hunt these poor sleepy bears as they wake up from nearly starving to death and they are just starving in the spring. It is sickening that anyone would hunt those creatures when they are so venerable. So lets make sure we have a fall only season. It is death by a thousand cuts and it plays out all over the country. Right now MT might just have a season structure that allows them to keep bears in check without baits, but I would venture that nearly no place else in North America with a significant bear population has had such luck.
Jims96,
HAHA... And? Alaska is a completely different world than anything in the lower 48.
“What you have are people who do not practice those things calling for the bans.”
Ok jims. Go ahead and disregard anything that shoots holes in your opinion. Because after all, you sitting in your armchair typing all this word vomit is nothing but your opinion. We know you think it’s facts and you’ve peer reviewed your own opinion in your head but it’s still just your opinion.
This is the type of person who voted for AOC and Biden. Now you know...
Funny that you say that. When I read the post, I was thinking how can Buzz argue with this logic since he appears to be a liberal who happens to hunt.
Urge 2 Hunt
We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.
