Now that ain’t no ****!!
As is number 2. Hope they do some good. We'll see. I'm just spit ballin here but Im betting they advocate for limited quota for res hunters in G.
Makes since to protect your resources, so hopefully they will do some good!! And I bet your right about them pushing for LQ in G and H, then I see push for 90-10 on DEA for sure!!
We all know you’re a muley fanatic fan boy ?
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So how do you differentiate your org from all the rest?
From what I know about Brad he is a "straight shooter" and a diehard hunter. He's not going to hide an agenda and has regular guys and the deer herd in mind.
I don't doubt that this is true. But honestly, cant the same be said about every MD group when they started. I feel like I have heard this all before. Hell, one of my best friends was the original treasurer for MFF. He fits your description of Brad to a tee. He never received a dime. As that group grew, they shifted, just as has every startup conservation org. Even this new group talks of eventually needing to hire bios, lawyers, accountants, etc.
Just a quick question. The SVI article states, "We would like to have hunters choose and buy a regional license and only hunt one area."Wyoming Range Mule Deer Association selects five board members
◆ Members are united in proposing a change to hunt season dates and general licensing regulations. Outfitters and resident hunters gathered to formally elect board members for the Wyoming Range Mule Deer Association on Monday, March 7 at the Thayne Community Center. Resident hunters have four...
I’ve never heard anyone say Joshua was a straight shooter ?
Brad, if you need more data, please explain why your group is going to take issues, like region tags, and support them at the next season setting meeting.
Sent Brad an email with my thoughts. Glad you are trying to make a difference and get your voice heard. Do not agree with your points, entirely. No one really knows how many people jump between units and openers. You stated in the linked article that "everyone" jumps to 135. We both know thats not true. How many actually do it? Would it result in less bucks being killed? Would it result in less hunters? No one really know these answers.
Was at one time! Once MDF, once RMEF , but ya know I’m kinda learning that **** gos in the wrong direction once they pick up steam. So yes I’m skeptical!! ?. The mule deer need help for sure, but MDF been around long time, then MFF, and it dosnt seem it’s getting better anywhere, sure they do there projects but not enough, more of the Money should be used for the deer not self House wife’s of Hollywood life styles, And the likes of RMEF not sure about that either, my guess is you could take a heard to ukrain right now and the would survive and multiply, **** they grow like crazy around here in the desert and that habitat sucks!!
Yeah I’ve been saying it for years. No excuse that WY can’t tell you exactly how many deer were killed last fall in G and H. Hell in alaska if you don’t fill out your harvest reports you can’t put in for tags the following year.
You been sippin' some of grandma's old cough medicine?
My whole life growing up I thought he must be Mormon because I never saw him drink. Bill you ok? Did you have a wine cooler?
Now I know why you wore that hardhat so low over your eyes.
Yes they do read the comments through the website and there are not thousands of them they make all the comments publicly available on the website
Teten doesn't have much of a voice on the task force.
Okay. I must have misunderstood him when he said they don't read the comments on the website. You can change thousands to hundreds, fifty, or ten. It doesn't matter to me.
It wasn't anyone named Teten.
I'm fairly certain you spoke to someone who follows the TF but may not have been a member, Those three things you mentioned are right up his alley. I'll pm you his name.
I am in favor of limiting Residents shots to 400 yards or less. Not a bad idea…
That would be easy to enforce...
I’m not Opposed to that idea. And then do the 90/10 split 500 NR for G and H combined and 5000 residents for G and H combined. That’s actually a good idea Jake.
Jake can speak for himself, but no on LQ.
JimS could create a spreadsheet, that may help.
Well my opinion won't be popular here but the pressure does need to be limited. It's out of control I'm not hunting it this year because it's almost a waste of a weeks vacation for me ive scouted my a$$ off in those areas the last 3 years over the summer and I always get screwed by other hunters weather it be non residents or residents. Most residents I will admit have been respectful I've had some non residents be very disrespectful but I'm not saying they are more disrespectful in general they just have more to lose if they don't kill a deer I think which is understandable to an extent but in my run ins with other hunters if they are about to bust deer out I've been Watching all summer I usually have talked to them and most residents will move to another basin or we make a plan to not be tripping over each other or they leave that particular group of deer alone where as I can't say the same for non residents in a few instances
I agree with that 100% I don't even know how they think they can possibly manage a herd without knowing what's even in the area any given year
I'm not advocating for limited quota for resident hunters in G&H. I have only been watching this deer herd since 2009. The winter of 2016-17 was brutal, a lot of deer died that winter but going into the fall of 2017 deer body fat % was off the charts. A lot of high quality feed that summer?
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That sounds great it really does. But those numbers are cheatgrass numbers. Not accurate.
Thanks for weighing in. Yes I want opinions from all different angles. And You like almost everyother person I talk to hit in a lot of the same points. And when we see a huge cluster of points of the same thoughts, that factually have backing, that’s the points and issues we want to push. Like you mentioned technology. And not everyone agrees with the same thing. But we can look and see where the smoke is and work on that fire before that damage is to far gone. This organization is bigger than what I can text on this. And I guess if you guys think that everything is just perfect the way it is and we shouldnt be trying to help and improve this deer herd, than, we will just have to agree to disagree, cause I’m here to tell you there is an enormous amount of sportsmen that think differently, and have huge concerns. I spend as much or more time than anyone I personally know, on the mountain with this deer herd, and without a doubt I have seen the overall quality slowly but steadily decline. There will always be some big bucks, and we will always have bad winters to deal with. But we could change some management that helps us rebound from them bad winters a lot faster. Bryan please give me a call I’d love to talk with you. 307-730-4868"We want everybody that has an interest in this deer herds opinion."
@Tre heiner - You sure you want to say this? Or mean it? A common theme is that one must have citizenship in Wyoming to voice an opinion about wildlife in Wyoming. You may want to run that comment by your board before spreading it. ---just sayin'
That would be great if you really wanted to hear, and cared for, opinions from those who care about that deer herd regardless of where they hang their hat, but that's something I'd have to see to believe.
BTW - While all deer herds need constant attention to keep them strong, that herd in my opinion is just fine, and for now hunter numbers are fine as well. Quality (number of huge bucks) may not be what it was 20 or 30 years ago, but very few hunt units, if any, are. I think the harvest reporting and picking a region is a good idea and a good start, but talking about taking opportunity away with tag cuts isn't. Technology and season length in my opinion has taken its toll on quality (huge bucks), but quantity of bucks from what I see is just fine for current hunter numbers.
In all honesty, quality is pretty good too. Of course folks like myself with very high expectations are finding it more difficult to find what we're after, but tag cuts shouldn't happen so that a guy like myself only has to spend 10 days scouting to find a 190 buck versus 20 days.
I just believe there are quite a few things to try before cutting tags. If we want quality like we may have had 30 years ago, then we need to find a way to dial back the advantages we have over the game to the level of the 1990's.
You're not going to put it all back in the bag, but I believe there definitely things that can be stuffed back in the bag that would preserve opportunity while maintaining quantity and quality of the bucks.
Such as?
Why would anyone lie on a harvest survey that doesn't even make sense
Bad idea...
Maybe... I'm the same way as you in that regards but I don't shoot a dink on the last day just to fill my tag neither do you. I think the people that are going to shoot dinks are going to do it regardless
So with that logic why do we have any laws? How do we have a society? Are you a natural pessimist or is this due to a lifetime of experience?
I agree about self-regulation, but I don't think it's a majority. IMO any type restriction, like LQ or region general tags, will cause an uptick in punched tags. Proof of this is how many hunters draw a tough to get LQ and can't find the dream buck. Rarely do they burn that tag. They find something else, even if it's not close to what they wanted.
Exactly. Don't forget about the part where they not only fail in finding their dream buck but upon shooting a lesser buck complain that the unit is "going downhill".
I would love to be wrong about false info but hey, just look at comments on this forum and then tell me everyone is honest.
Fair enough. But I want to know what hoops you currently have to jump through to hunt? You make it sounds like the existing system is already burdensome. Currently you drive to the local wal mart and can buy a deer and elk tag. How difficult is that?
You're seriously not in favor of mandatory reporting? Please explain as someone from the trenches.
No, far from it.
I feel like most hunters are afraid of the truth, or they just don't like it. It challenges their own narrative or personal perception.
Make it so if you don’t report you are not eligible for applying for the draw the following year and I bet you get 99.99% of the reports back.
Apparently you aren't done talking about it. So we should be worried about false reporting? Do we worry about it with harvest surveys now? Do you guys really listen at the meetings or is it just going through the motions? Sportsman want mandatory reporting and frankly I believe for all the right reasons.
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We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.
