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hope the wyoming law makers get with the program pretty soon...
hope the wyoming law makers get with the program pretty soon...
wyo...get with the program
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moseleymiddleton
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wyoming isnt like idaho and montana in many ways. here is our stand point on the issue we along with idaho and montana fought the introduction of wolves in there state. But heres where we differ after many years of having them grow thoughout the state we have decided on this we will support your numbers you would like but the stipulation is they must remain in the greater yellowstone ecosystem elsewhere there not allowed. we hate the wolves as much as idaho and montana but where not going to bend over and take it like you to just kill a few. Here is the reasons that some may not notice
1. eventhough the goverments experts like ed bangs agreed to wyomings plan the antis stll have enogh pull to stop hunting. even if wyoming agrees to be trophy though out the state the antis will say tag limits are to high, in area like natrona county where wolf population is stll under 50 or the black hill where numbers are closer to a 100. these rogue wolves as what the goverment are calling them are growing at just as rapid of a rate as other places in 6-8 a year per breeding pair in areas not agreed to for wolf reintroduction. theyt are moving so fast that they are in south dakota one was shot there just within the last 3 months. i know of at least five around sundance, and withen the last year 15 withen 30 miles of casper. in area like this the goverment and antis can say hunting is not allowed when wolves shouldnt be allowed. if you go around the state to areas where wolves are not supposed to be and talk to the locals you will find out there are more than 1600 wolves total in the state. in almost any region in the state you will find wolf sightings just look up wolf on the wyo colorado border you could see video of a wolf between cheyanne and the state line they need to quit using just the yellowstone reagion for population reports. and you will see there are overe three thousand wolve between wyoming and idaho alone they should be shot on sight any where withen the lower 48 before wolves have populated all of them like the coyote and the goverment wastes trillions of dollers in managment instead of millions to billions of dollers in the next 20 years.
regardless of troph or predator statis the antis will do all they can to not allow wolf hunting just wait and see!!!
moseley middleton
1. eventhough the goverments experts like ed bangs agreed to wyomings plan the antis stll have enogh pull to stop hunting. even if wyoming agrees to be trophy though out the state the antis will say tag limits are to high, in area like natrona county where wolf population is stll under 50 or the black hill where numbers are closer to a 100. these rogue wolves as what the goverment are calling them are growing at just as rapid of a rate as other places in 6-8 a year per breeding pair in areas not agreed to for wolf reintroduction. theyt are moving so fast that they are in south dakota one was shot there just within the last 3 months. i know of at least five around sundance, and withen the last year 15 withen 30 miles of casper. in area like this the goverment and antis can say hunting is not allowed when wolves shouldnt be allowed. if you go around the state to areas where wolves are not supposed to be and talk to the locals you will find out there are more than 1600 wolves total in the state. in almost any region in the state you will find wolf sightings just look up wolf on the wyo colorado border you could see video of a wolf between cheyanne and the state line they need to quit using just the yellowstone reagion for population reports. and you will see there are overe three thousand wolve between wyoming and idaho alone they should be shot on sight any where withen the lower 48 before wolves have populated all of them like the coyote and the goverment wastes trillions of dollers in managment instead of millions to billions of dollers in the next 20 years.
regardless of troph or predator statis the antis will do all they can to not allow wolf hunting just wait and see!!!
moseley middleton
robinsg61le
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Can a guy get away with shooting a wolf in WY?
Also, I'm asuming I can't legally harvest it, so how hard would it be to skin one and take care of the hide myself?
Also, I'm asuming I can't legally harvest it, so how hard would it be to skin one and take care of the hide myself?
moseleymiddleton
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a guy can not leagaly shoot one in wyoming. even though it may sound like i personaly have shot one i have not seen one but have seen at least a dozen pictuers taken with in twenty miles of casper. they have been ran over in downtown sturgis south dakota two years ago. the rancher behind my grandparents see one on th blcack flats between sundance and newcastle. so i wouldnt be able to help you find out how to skin one on your own all i can say is if the game and fish are calling these wolves big coyotes then maby someone better shoot them and take it in and say here is your big coyote now admit there are more in the area so we can show they have spred futher than what the feds are stating.
i have heard a story about a larmie rancher who kept going to the game and fish and staing he had a wolverine on his place and he wanted the fish game to remove it. the fish and game told him there is no wolverins in that part of wyoming so he traped it took it in and throughit on the officers desk and said what the f### is this than. he did not get in trouble for it. about ten years later they radio collerd one in jackson and it went from jackson to the big horns to colorado and back in about six months.
IF a wolverine can cover this much ground then how much area can the positive determind 1600 wolves cover in a years time. expecially when they breed like rabbits haveing 6-8 pups a year per breeding pair. this should be an easy math equation for someone with more time than me. starting with 15 breeding pairs at re introduction times 7 pups a year averag per pair times 13 years with the addition lets figure that 1 wolf out of 8 becomes part of a breeding pair.after the first year there was an additional 13 wolves to make breeding pairs so we will round down to 12 so that makes 27 breeding pairs the second year with an addional 23.6 wolves fro breeding pairs so round to 24 pluse 27 52 breedin pairs
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#3 52x7=364 pups/8 =45.5 new wolve for preeding pairs/2 = 22 breeding pairs from year three
#4 75 bp x 7= 525/8= 65 wolves in bp/2= addional 32 pairs
#5 at the end of year 154 breeding pairs
then if you multiply the breeding pairs by 3 to give you the number of wolves in a pack with a possability of two breeding pairs in a pack. will give you 462 wolves by then end of year five. then you can take that one step further by saying 30 percent of the wolves die a year of natral causes so you subtract a total of 139 wolves died in the five year span giving you a total of 323 wolve at then end of year five. you can see how a consevitive guess of how the wolves populate. with some packs being of up to sixteen toi twenty in a pack. some one else mright be able toge the percentage of survival better and the number that generat a breeding pair per year of pups to be more accurate than me.
moseley middleton
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i have heard a story about a larmie rancher who kept going to the game and fish and staing he had a wolverine on his place and he wanted the fish game to remove it. the fish and game told him there is no wolverins in that part of wyoming so he traped it took it in and throughit on the officers desk and said what the f### is this than. he did not get in trouble for it. about ten years later they radio collerd one in jackson and it went from jackson to the big horns to colorado and back in about six months.
IF a wolverine can cover this much ground then how much area can the positive determind 1600 wolves cover in a years time. expecially when they breed like rabbits haveing 6-8 pups a year per breeding pair. this should be an easy math equation for someone with more time than me. starting with 15 breeding pairs at re introduction times 7 pups a year averag per pair times 13 years with the addition lets figure that 1 wolf out of 8 becomes part of a breeding pair.after the first year there was an additional 13 wolves to make breeding pairs so we will round down to 12 so that makes 27 breeding pairs the second year with an addional 23.6 wolves fro breeding pairs so round to 24 pluse 27 52 breedin pairs
years
#3 52x7=364 pups/8 =45.5 new wolve for preeding pairs/2 = 22 breeding pairs from year three
#4 75 bp x 7= 525/8= 65 wolves in bp/2= addional 32 pairs
#5 at the end of year 154 breeding pairs
then if you multiply the breeding pairs by 3 to give you the number of wolves in a pack with a possability of two breeding pairs in a pack. will give you 462 wolves by then end of year five. then you can take that one step further by saying 30 percent of the wolves die a year of natral causes so you subtract a total of 139 wolves died in the five year span giving you a total of 323 wolve at then end of year five. you can see how a consevitive guess of how the wolves populate. with some packs being of up to sixteen toi twenty in a pack. some one else mright be able toge the percentage of survival better and the number that generat a breeding pair per year of pups to be more accurate than me.
moseley middleton
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for starters the lawmakers need to come up with a management plan. It may have just worked for Idaho and Montana...
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11852723?source=rss
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11852723?source=rss
The Wyoming Game and Fish needs the revenue, most everyone would buy a wolf tag for fifteen or twenty dollars, and just as many wolves would be killed, as would by classifing them as predators, but the Wyoming Legislature is not noted for their great intellect, and here we are and here are the other affected states, good for Idaho and Montana.
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rumproast
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It's gonna cost us, but it'll be our money on our stuff.
Looks like the Gov. said today or yesterday we're going to have to sue the bast--ds.
Fed simply wants a no-kill restriction on the Wolf for any Citizen of these parts that doesn't have a property violation to justify blasting one.
Ed Bangs and Co. will hopefully not be able to justify their existence in the area too much longer, they've stunk up the countryside long enough.
Don't forget, we're 10th Appeals, not 9th. That's the biggee about the thing, now isn't it, Idaho and Montana?
Looks like the Gov. said today or yesterday we're going to have to sue the bast--ds.
Fed simply wants a no-kill restriction on the Wolf for any Citizen of these parts that doesn't have a property violation to justify blasting one.
Ed Bangs and Co. will hopefully not be able to justify their existence in the area too much longer, they've stunk up the countryside long enough.
Don't forget, we're 10th Appeals, not 9th. That's the biggee about the thing, now isn't it, Idaho and Montana?
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gonehuntinWY
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The US F&W will always be in control of how many wolves harvested. WY G&F could sell 1000's of licenses but only 15 could be killed under a trophy animal status sccording to the wolf regs from Aug of 2008. When a wolf is killed it would be reported and when the quota is met - hunting for them ceases. Wyoming needs the predator status in our state. Idaho and Montana will be in for trouble when they can only harvest 15-20 wolves per year.
Do you guys understand the real issue here, gonehuntinWy does.
The wolves are here to stay, the Feds and the liberal courts will still control the overall numbers regardless of a states "management" plan. Idaho and Montana's "management" plans do not even account for the yearly reproductive rate of the existing packs, not to mention the uncounted wolves that are not "breeding pairs". What are those states odds of a 100% kill rate? Good luck on that one. Read their plans and proposed allocations for hunting if you don't believe me.
Wyoming has the only true management plan that makes sense. If wolves leave the boundaries of the "Greater Wolf Recovery Area" then kill them, anytime, anywhere. The wolves are a game management tool for Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks, that was the original intention. Hunting is not allowed there, and the tree huggers / La-Z-Boyz might possibly see one there. If they roam outside those boundaries, kill them.
Idaho and Montana now have to figure out how to pay for this "reintroduction - management" scheme. Wyoming wolves are under the control of the federal government and likewise so is the "management" and so is the financial responsibility. Yea, that means all taxpayers.
Outside of the Wyoming recovery zone, wolves should have a state imposed bounty on them, say $500 a head. Now that's management.
My 2 cents
The wolves are here to stay, the Feds and the liberal courts will still control the overall numbers regardless of a states "management" plan. Idaho and Montana's "management" plans do not even account for the yearly reproductive rate of the existing packs, not to mention the uncounted wolves that are not "breeding pairs". What are those states odds of a 100% kill rate? Good luck on that one. Read their plans and proposed allocations for hunting if you don't believe me.
Wyoming has the only true management plan that makes sense. If wolves leave the boundaries of the "Greater Wolf Recovery Area" then kill them, anytime, anywhere. The wolves are a game management tool for Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks, that was the original intention. Hunting is not allowed there, and the tree huggers / La-Z-Boyz might possibly see one there. If they roam outside those boundaries, kill them.
Idaho and Montana now have to figure out how to pay for this "reintroduction - management" scheme. Wyoming wolves are under the control of the federal government and likewise so is the "management" and so is the financial responsibility. Yea, that means all taxpayers.
Outside of the Wyoming recovery zone, wolves should have a state imposed bounty on them, say $500 a head. Now that's management.
My 2 cents
of course the wolves are here to stay, thats why they were transplanted, the issue is how to get them under control and off the list, I know when I have hunted in Canada you buy a tag, they are a trophy species, I believe Alaska is that way also, the trophy species classification in wyoming for 2008 covered only a small area thats why the small quota, I believe in one day last year hunters killed the Daniel pack , there is no good reason for the predator classification, tags are a way to pay for managment, just like the management of say black bears, its not that big of a deal, just a little maturity by our politicians is all it takes.
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-09 AT 08:39AM (MST)[p] states run the feds according to the constitution and that is why this fight is more important then just the wolves.
i will be writing my governor and asking them to join the group of states going for sovernty.
its time every man woman and child stands up and forces the federal government to mind the constitution of the united states.
100% of the time.
i will be writing my governor and asking them to join the group of states going for sovernty.
its time every man woman and child stands up and forces the federal government to mind the constitution of the united states.
100% of the time.
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rumproast
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Yup--
And the shotgun has a use in Wyoming now!
Pick the beginnings of the raptor's nest clean out of the only Cottonwood on your Stock's low green pasture before it has a chance to lay it's eggs and chop the tree down!
Raptors way more adaptable than the feds, or the Beef they pig on, anyway.
Rump
And the shotgun has a use in Wyoming now!
Pick the beginnings of the raptor's nest clean out of the only Cottonwood on your Stock's low green pasture before it has a chance to lay it's eggs and chop the tree down!
Raptors way more adaptable than the feds, or the Beef they pig on, anyway.
Rump
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mdwsthunter
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there are states in the northern midwest that are some of the most highly populated areas for wolves. they don't let anyone there shoot wolves despite surpassing the numbers they were seeking. my point. until they start dropping i would never believe anyone who tells me that wolf hunting in any capacity is every going to be legal. best bet is just take care of the problem yourself and shut your mouth.
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D13er
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>there are states in the northern
>midwest that are some of
>the most highly populated areas
>for wolves. they don't let
>anyone there shoot wolves despite
>surpassing the numbers they were
>seeking. my point. until they
>start dropping i would never
>believe anyone who tells me
>that wolf hunting in any
>capacity is every going to
>be legal. best bet is
>just take care of the
>problem yourself and shut your
>mouth.
It's really hard to tell WTF you said, but I believe you might be right....
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
JB
>midwest that are some of
>the most highly populated areas
>for wolves. they don't let
>anyone there shoot wolves despite
>surpassing the numbers they were
>seeking. my point. until they
>start dropping i would never
>believe anyone who tells me
>that wolf hunting in any
>capacity is every going to
>be legal. best bet is
>just take care of the
>problem yourself and shut your
>mouth.
It's really hard to tell WTF you said, but I believe you might be right....
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
JB
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