Wolf kill?????

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We found this bull in wyoming the only thing that I could find around it was bird $hit so maybe we should lay off the wolfs for a while and start looking at the magpie problem yes there are wolfs in wyoming and yes they do eat meat all I am saying is that not every dead animal that we find in the hills comes from "goverment funded terrorist" we dont have to like the wolfs but they are here and it doesnt look like they are going anywhere soon. Dont mark me as a "wolf loving hippie" we just need to be a little more open minded animal die for several reasons but a wolf is the easiest to point your finger at.





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hummm, i dont know, looks like a wolf kill to me. perhaps the magpies ran him to death however an then tore him apart and ate him, ive heard of similiar things like that happening.
 
I have found 2 mature bulls dead this spring in NW Wyoming of course they were wolf kills the mutts are killing everything that moves---- Yeah Right!!! I have no evidence either of my pickups were wolf killed!


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Time in the hills is always worth more than money
 
I also noticed the "ALL DEAD ANIMALS IN THE WOODS WERE KILLED BY WOLVES" attitude. Either there are a lot of forensic scientists shed hunting or there are a lot of newby's to spring hiking.

Nice pics.
 
Yep,
It's pretty hard tellin, not knowin..... I have noticed one thing.... Dogs always start at the hind end. They eat the ass out and work forward. I think it is the only way they can get in. A big cat will go in around the belly or flank area like the big Tom did on this nice bull that had already shed.
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I found this fresh kill at daylight and there was frost on the ground and huge cat tracks everywhere! You could see where they had rolled down the hill. Once the Tom killed the bull it looked to me like he scratched his way in. Ate most of one backstrap and part of the guts before I can along and ran him off. Never did see him. The season was closed or I would of had me a nice place to sit...
 
Well, I agree that wolves aren't the only thing killing elk. Heck, there's people shed hunting too early, there's road kill, there's scabies, there's hard winters, there's accidents, killer magpies, poachers, hunters, old age, drought, loss of habitat, poor feed, ATV stress, grizzlies, coyotes, etc. That's pretty obvious stuff (except the killer magpies...sorry, I just couldn't resist!) but nobody can tell me that wolves are not having a hugely significant impact. I've seen enough of the wolf impact in NW Wyoming alone to make me puke!

These pictures are from a 2-week period last spring in one small area. Now I'm no forensic scientist either, but wolves were still eating on two of these bulls when I came across them. The other two had nothing but wolf tracks all around them and the noses chewed off. For a change they ate everything on these bulls, except one...guess I came around a little too soon...or too late depending on how you feel about wolves! Then we have all the dead cow elk that have nothing but the uteruses, noses, and sometimes their throats eaten out. What a waste!

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Pretty hard to argue with evidence like that. They need to be controlled before it is to late!!!!
 
I like to see that you agree, but still the last three words of your reply bother me. You say "what a waste" in the first part of your reply you name the other killers how much of a bull elk does a poacher eat? have you ever stoped on the side of the road to get a nice backstrap? the wolfs are eating what they want or have time to. lets start focusing more on the killers that we can control we cant stop poachers but the more time we are in the hills, just our presents would be enough to stop a poacher why cant we start looking more at our deadly highways to get high fences one person will never get it done but a group of persistent outdoorsmen will get herd.
 
I agree Letumgrow. Lots of dead animals along side the roads and very little comments here about it. I called the DMV and complained again but apparently somebody has to die to get anything done. It's as simple as lowering the speed limits a few miles an hour during the winter months. How many animals would that save?
 
Now wait a minute, letumgrow. I guess I'm confused. I thought the main focus/topic/main idea of your original post was wolves and how the "poor things" always take all the blame when somebody finds a dead elk.?? Am I wrong?

When wolves surplus kill large numbers of elk or deer in a concentrated area (such as a winter range), that is a waste! As far as I'm concerned that is a contribution from the poor wolf that we can/should/better control before it's too late (our government's approach is very reactive rather than proactive).

Of course we can go into a meriad of other topics such as how much of an animal goes to waste when poached or hit on the highway, but I was just simply trying to stick to your own topic. By the way, you're right about the rest of us law-abiding citizens' presence being our best ally against poachers. I take poaching very personally...that is MY animal they poached. But I digress because that is another topic altogether!

So now that the subject has been changed I guess I can say that there is no one, easy answer to fix all the crazy problems/issues that concern our wildlife. However, it will come down to all outdoorsmen & women who enjoy wildlife, no matter what their special interest might be, are going to have to stick together and stop fighting over the little things, or we will lose everything. We are, after all, our own worst enemy.
 
It really sucks about all the road kill...especially in states like Utah and Colorado that have soooo many people and soooo many highways & Interstates. But you probably haven't seen many posts in this forum because it's the "Shed Hunters Forum"! L.O.L.! I'm just yankin' your chain Zigga! It really is a serious topic.
 
That's alright though...there's a LOT of issues that all seem to get intertwined. It's sometimes tough to have one without the other!
 
Again, you cannot in any way dispute the fact that there is a problem with wolves wasting lots of elk meat.

Unfortunately some wolves are sport killing just because they can. When the game is easy to kill (as elk are) especially in winter on the winter range you get this surplus or sport killing resulting in tons of wasted meat, if you are not convinced click the link and get educated. The documentation shows exactly what huntemup is saying about eating the calf out the back of the cow and leaving the rest to the magpies.

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^BIGBONE^
 
well, okay, my turn, if you all want to see how helpful wolves are to our wildlife we love so much, then go to the gros ventre in jackson hole, there are around three thousand elk that winter in this area away from the elk refuge, they have a nice big pile of elk there, all dead, some with no more than bite marks all over them, courtesy of our local, government reintroduced, friendly, tourist happy, animal rights peoples justified, big city wanna play god do gooders, non destructive to wildlife populations, wolf packs we currently have running this area like it's their own personal feedlot. if i left anyone out oopps, two words for you, ##### off. bottom line is, the wolves kill everything they come across, wether they eat it or not, and soon enough, unless we are allowed to hunt them shortly, they are gonna set their sites on two legged game, you know, the type that runs around and squeals whenever they see a bird or a flower. its only a matter of time before someone gets killed. these animals have no fear of us currently, i speak from experience here. how can you take yourself off the menu if you arent allowed to install some fear in the hunters. but hey, i personally will not allow myself to become wolf scat, or magpie #####, first wolf that acts aggressively toward me is gonna learn what a hollowpoint bullet if for.
 
Puma! Thanks for having the gonads to tell it as it is. I have a feeling we aren't going to hear much from the wolf -huggers on this particular post because the evidence from guys like you and others is pretty solid, you know when you have made your point when they shut-up.

We have these called "sportsmen" that visit this forum who think they like elk but will not agree at all that the introduction was a huge mistake. I think you can lump them in with the "friendly, tourist happy, animal rights peoples justified, big city wanna play god do gooders" you previously spoke of.

To those of you who think wolves have a place out there...You can't have it both ways! Pick your prize, do you want wolves or big game? You can't have both especially in good numbers. The wolves will kill off their own food source and at some point their own population will decline significantly from lack of food.

Once the elk and moose are gone which is comming fast out this way, there will be no need for cow elk hunts, we are already seeing some hunts reduced or eliminated. There goes your hunting opportunity. Also you are going to see more sheep and cattle killed after the game become scarce. Then tour taxes can go to replace all these livestock.

As Puma said, attacks on people are just a matter of time! If your out in wolf country you better be packing...

^BIGBONE^
 
Some real good pictures and finds there guys good to see some out there injoying the outdoors.
For the guys in the last 2 posts if your so scared of getting eaten by wolves just stay out of the bush. You just half to click on the news to see that its some people with guns that are more dangerous.
 
I just read a newspaper article that said WY would be left out of the delisting process if they don't come up with a new wolf management plan by May first,which at the earliest would go into effect Feb.2008.Throw all the court battles and injuctions in and I would guess more like 3008. Anyhow ,just curios if anyone had any info. on WY management plan.thanks
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-21-07 AT 08:04PM (MST)[p]Well I don't see any proof or evidence that wolves did any of this, so you guys need to lay off the cuddly friendly lick your face wolves that are so precious to me...


......NOT!

I don't hate the wolf really because he can't help himself, he is simply programmed to kill and lay to waste everything he can get his teeth into. Its the worthless folks who supported and released those Canadian killing machines that I have a problem with.

This introduction, (not re-introduction) was the most anti-wildlife thing man has done in a long time and will be the end to hunting the west as know know it.

By the time the "delisting" gets through all the red tape they will lay it will be too late for our once great big game populations. That is a fact. That is the plan.



^BIGBONE^
 
Wyoming wants to lable the mutts as a predator when they wander off the wilderness into our back yards. As a predator they could be shot on sight or as needed to protect our livestock and pets and children. The federalies don't like the predator part of the plan. Big brother is trying to regulate the way Wyoming wants to manage the mutts.





Time in the hills is always worth more than money
 
hey BSD, as to your smart ass comment about the last two guys who posted. you must be one of the animal rights faggots i mentioned. i'll be sure to carve this on your tombstone when and if you ever venture into an area where there are wolves and bears and cougars. HERE LIES A MAN WHO WAS BITTEN AND EATEN, POOR STUPID SOUL WASNT PACKING SO NOW HES IN HEAVEN. You come on into my part of the country man, and i'll take you on a real exciting adventure. I'll be sure to wear my tennis shoes as i'm a fast runner and all i need to do is be ahead of you when those nice friendly cuddly predators come calling. stupid people, there should be a season on them as well.
 
Puma, this bsd guy has been amazing to read... if you were to go back a few posts you'd see how hard to convince he is. Has a hard time even admitting wolves are doing any of this "sport killing"

I personally think he knows lots about wolves but works for the feds tracking them or something so he loves them for other reasons, just won't say.

^BIGBONE^
 
he may know alot about wolves, he may not, or he maybe just thinks he does. i have a way we can find out. i here that guy whos doing that tv show about him joining a wolf pack and living with them need someone to stand in for him occasionally as the wolves keep biting his nut sack and he needs to go get it sowed back together, guess they are begining to get supicious he's not a real wolf. LOL. i think that would be a perfect job for ol BSD. I'm like you. i dont hate the wolves, and i dont hunt anything i wont eat, accept people standing on the middle of jeep trails holding signs that say dont kill bambi. but thats a rare treat! as they are getting scarce here. no seriously though, the guy must be from jersey or something to make a stupid comment like that to a couple of mountain boys who grew up in the rockies. good way to get his ass kicked. i can speak on wolves to some extent as i had one for a companion a few years back until he met the wrong end of a car. he was 75% alaskan timber wolf, 25% siberian husky. smartest animal ive ever had the pleasure of knowing. and i say companion and not pet because you can't own a wolf, they are too wild, he treated me like a pack member and i did the same for him. big male weighted in at 150 pounds.
so i dont hate the wolves, but these big canadian wolves have no place down here, the elk and deer have no chance against them. these particular wolves are too big and fast. here in idaho you are already seeing some of our cow hunts being reduced or taken away completely, and lately there have been several horn hunters stalked, hunting dogs attacked and killed, and several thousand sheep killed near leadore in the span of twenty or thirty minutes on one guys land by one spree killing pack of thirteen wolves.
I DO THINK WE NEED A HUNTING SEASON ON THEM, AND SOON. or, like you said, our big game herds or gonna be gone.
 
Sorry bigbone dont work for the feds and said it before that I feel there has to be a season on wolves in the states but it is gona be very hard to get and a couple guys showing pictures of dead animals with no proof will get no where. There is another thread somewhere on skulls I think you should read it it help explains my point.
I spend a fair amount of time in the bush occupied by all the predators you mentioned and like I said the scary one is the certain people with guns. Sorry wont take you up on your offer for I wont hang around with poachers which you have stated you are willing to do,and since you sound scared of predators I guess its good you can run fast. If any one should have a part in the movie it should be the guy that has already brought a wolf/hybrid into the states.
Any state that borders B.C. or alberta has always had wolves they cross back and forth all the time.
I dont no why you have to resort to calling people names And I dont think its neccesary but come on isnt puma just another name for big #####
 
LOL, dude i wasnt calling you names directly, just lumping you in with how i feel about certain people, as you sound like one. but since you mentioned you do agree with a hunting season i'll lay off ya. and no i didn't bring a hybrid into the states, they are already here and there are breeders for them. i happened onto mine by accident as he was being abused and mistreated as a pup buy someone who was an ass, so i took him, and taught the ass a certain lesson only a good hard right hook can do. and no im not afraid of predators, but ive had my share of run ins with grizzlies and now wolves, and i do advocate strongly that people who venture into the woods where these animals live bring along suitable protection. and if i have to kill to protect myself or a family member, then so be it. i guess i'll be a poacher. HEY EVERYONE, I'M A POACHER JUST SO YOU KNOW, I WILL KILL A GRIZZLY OR A WOLF IN SELF DEFENSE. DAMN, TAKE ME TO JAIL NOW I GUESS. one question, where the hell are you from? because your certainly not from idaho wyoming or montana. got a good suggestion for ya though, get yourself one of those books written by 'OUTDOOR EXPERTS' such as yourself, on how to avoid bear confrontations and such and follow what is said. dont run, curl into a ball, stand up and wave your arms to appear larger than the 800 pound 4' at the shoulder, and 9 ft from tail to nose grizzly that is staring you in the eye, oh and my favorite part, yell really loud to scare em off. they havent come out with a book yet on how to avoid wolf confrontations here in the lower 48 but give it a few more years and several bodies of kids and such, then im pretty sure you find a few to follow as a guideline. meanwhile, i'll be packing my trusty 44 mag, you know, for those in close encounters, and i sure as hell wont be curling into a ball and getting chewed on. have fun in the woods man, hope you run into some of those friendly wolves we have here.
 
GO PUMA!
By the way, it doesn't take a forensic sciencetist to figure out whether an animal was killed by a cat or by wolves. Speaking from one spring hiker to another.
 
Really? Are ya gonna argue, piss and moan like junior high girls about this just like the last (wolf kill post)? Predators kill and the prey dies. Thats how its been for millions of years. Ya, there has to be somthing done to control this, and I agree with puma about dropping a predator that gets too close to you. But if you really think about it, man kills more deer and elk that any wolve could imagine. Someone already mentioned roads, $hitbag poachers, oh and here is a new one I just heard. The Utah DWR needs to get rid of more deer because they are eating too much of the farmers crops. I'm not trying to start another argument, but can we get back to the sheds please.
 
LOL, everbrownshed, good post. i agree, humans are the ultimate predator, i mean hell, look at what we are currently doing to the planet. we've single handedly brought about the extinction of more animal species than the number of jews Hitler killed! argue, piss and moan about that. LOL. as it is and while i can, i'm gonna get out there and find all the horn i can. good luck everyone.
 
Well been to boring here so thought would try an answer a few more ? everbrown if you dont like it dont click on it, boneaddict I kinda disagree its a lot easier to tell what ate or feed on the animal then what killed it like in the first picture of just the bones and hide left. Puma Ive read a few books on bear and watched a few documentrys even used one of there examples on a grizzly encounter once.I no one person that did use the curl into a ball method and it worked for them, two others well no one will really ever no the whole story but them but they didnt make it, one was packing a gun the other wasnt.
 
Watch out! All you fellow brothers, we must unite in our hunting ways! The wolves are going to take over the world! They are slowely starting with elk, and deer. But next it will be humans! We must all do what we can to rid of these awful creatures! We must unite as hunters game and shed and take over what is rightfully ours! To kill big game 300 yards away with nothing or nobody to stop us!
 
"As Puma said, attacks on people are just a matter of time! If your out in wolf country you better be packing...

^BIGBONE^"

Damn, isn't about time you got off your soapbox. Give me a flippin break. You are no different than the antis, spewing out your lies and mistruths. If you want to win your fight, you better come up with better dialogue than scare tactics. Wolves attacking people???? LMFAO!!!
 
HEY BCBOY, you sound like a boy, go back to school punk where you belong and stay out of the bigboys playground. and you too jazzbear. and while your running your mouth like a bit ch, check out what happened in canada to that 22 year old guy who got his azz attacked and devoured by wolves here a while back. laugh your azz off about that #####. in the mean time both of you queers stfup.
 
Puma,
If you want to do a search I betcha you can find a couple coyote attacks and fox attacks too. You want to talk about wolves, then you better not be talking out your a$$, especially if you want laws to change. Stupity is not going to get ya anywhere in the whole debate. How many wolves have you ever seen??? Talk about punk kid, only kids spout off the way you just did. You think I know nothing about wolves eh? Here's one I legally killed. My 8 yr old son and I howled him in. There were over a dozen wolves around us that day. Do you think I was concerned about my son's safety??? Not a chance.
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With a name like puma maybe you are a wannabe houndsmen. Ever turn out with a ton of wolves in the area? That is always an issue up here. Something we live with, not something we ##### about.
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BCboy, We have seen your ugly wolf pics and we are real proud of you congratulations again on that flee infested prize. How does being out with a weapon hunting wolves even equate with being unarmed in two feet of snow and a dozen black dogs on your ass? We are again real proud of you and the boy for being so manly as to not be afraid of the wolves you were howling in behind that gun.





BIGBONE^"
>
>Damn, isn't about time you got
>off your soapbox. Give me
>a flippin break. You are
>no different than the antis,
>spewing out your lies and
>mistruths. If you want to
>win your fight, you better
>come up with better dialogue
>than scare tactics. Wolves attacking
>people???? LMFAO!!!


BC, We will see fatal wolf attacks on humans within 10 years down here, bescaue of the numbers of wolves and people using same areas I suppose you don't think thats soon enough to be much of a prediction, but I don't care what runs through your mind, the fact is that it will happen.


But who cares right, if its only one or two stupid people a year. They probably did something to make the pack of wolves feel threatened or got too close to a den, or better yet the wolf was wounded by a hunter/poacher and the poor thing had to eat. I can already hear it from you and your PETA friends "There is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They're all mammals." (A Direct quote from PETA)

As far as the "soapbox" all I can say is I beleive I have made some valid points on the FLIPPING FACT THAT CANADIAN WOLVES ARE THRILL KILLING and WASTING MORE ELK MEAT THAN THEY ARE ACTUALLY EATING IN IDAHO MONTANA and WYOMING! If you can disprove that chit then lets hear about it otherwise shut your hole and go looking for more real neat chewed up mossy skulls and bones.

Also as you have been told before your world is much different than down here, you have more room and less people makes ahuge differance.

BSD, have a nice day I can tell your comming around to the truth.



^BIGBONE^
 
Bigbone,
I work in the bush everyday, year in and year out. I don't pack a sidearm or a rifle. Just too much of a pain to do so. I work in serious bear country, both grizz and blacks, and we have a lot of wolves. More than you could ever imagine. I have had many a close encounter with all the predators, including wolves, and I don't fear for my life. I don't go running home crying to my momma because I see a predator. Like I've said many a time to you, you want to get anywhere in that fight of your's you can't be spouting misinfo. Little Red Riding Hood is a pretty cool childern's story, but it is no where near to reality. You have a battle to fight down there. Keep fighting it. But aint ever going to win if you stoop to the anti's levels by spouting off lies. That is what I'm calling ya on. Stop being such a wuss, wolves are not a scary animal. Yea they kill #####. So do I. You can talk your talk all you want about them wasting meat. Do you think they care? Why is meat wasted? As far as I have ever understand the whole lifecycle, there ain't a single thing wasted. What the wolves don't eat, other animals will. I found a cow moose a couple weeks ago that appeared to be a wolf kill. Pretty much just ain't out her assend. It was starting to get pretty ripe now the snow is starting to go. Do you think that a black bear won't jump on that as soon as he comes out of his den? I'm sure he'll think he died and went to heaven. Nothing wasted about that.
 
Little Red Riding
>Hood is a pretty cool
>childern's story, but it is
>no where near to reality.


Cool???? WTF? Thanks for sharing your never ending wisdom on that, I had no idea.


You can
>talk your talk all you
>want about them wasting meat.
>Do you think they care?
>Why is meat wasted?

>I found
>a cow moose a couple
>weeks ago that appeared to
>be a wolf kill. Pretty
>much just ain't out her
>assend.

So what your saying is the wolves had some nice hot fetal veal and left the mamma to rot. Thank you for making my point.



It was starting to
>get pretty ripe now the
>snow is starting to go.
>Do you think that a
>black bear won't jump on
>that as soon as he
>comes out of his den?

It is my understanding that a post hibernation bear must start out on grass for a while to jump start his digestive system before taking on meat. I think your now ripe and bloating cow moose will have greatly decomposed by the time the bear gets to it but the germs and microbes will have had a wonderful feast thanks to your precious wolves so your right there is no waste on anything.

Hell i'd be willing to bet that common houseflies might benefit from the kill...




^BIGBONE^
 
bigbone no definatly not coming around to your type of thinking.
Like I said earlier its easier to tell what ate the animals but not so easy to tell what killed them. The one picture definatly looks cat killed and I beleive the story the person tells with it, on all the wolf threads there is a couple that show typical wolf kill marks. Now just because theres wolf sign around the carcass thats not proof they have killed it, wolfs will feed on animals killed by others.I personally have seen lots of animals just like the ones pictured that were not killed by wolves but they are blamed for it, you have to look for other evidence some times it may take a metal detector. I no of cattle the rancher says was killed by wolves but the hind quarters are missing and have been cut off with a saw but they still say wolf kill maybe they are more advanced then we think.
I think BC said it was only a probable wolf kill but from the picture you cant really tell it looks like its on a road so maybe shot for fun or maybe just died from the winter and some thing chewed on it a bit.
Puma I searched for some info on the unfortinate death of the 22 year old and the info I found and if I remember correctly from the news releases he was not devored and these wolfs were hanging around a human dump site and had been showing signs of aggression and the people new this and percautions were not takin. Also from what you write I gather that you are not only scared of predators but quite homophobic and seem to have quite a temper and like I stated ealier I dont think some people should have guns you being one of them there is more people killed by guns every day then in a life time by wolves.
Now in saying all this I still beleive there has to be a wolf season in the states but all people/groups have to be honest with there numbers etc to help control them properly.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-28-07 AT 10:17PM (MST)[p]Bigbone,
Up in this country all the bears need is a couple of days on skunk cabbage and that plug is easily taken care of. Bears love rotton stinky carcuses and if they had a tough winter like this past winter, a big ol' stinky moose would help them out a ton. On top of that, there are tons of other critters like pine martens, fisher, wolverines,fox, yotes, lynx, eagles, whiskey jacks, ravens ect that would all love to eat on that cow moose. Here's a pic. I'm sure you'll use it in your agenda to promote your cause. The fact is she had a ton of grey on her, she could have easily just died of old age or the hard winter. Maybe the wolves pulled her down, maybe not.
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quite a temper? moi? yeah i suppose i do have that, ten years in prison for killing a couple of men who broke into my home with my wife present to do god knows what will sour any man i would think. but enough on this subject, its boring me. like i said ealier bsd im not afraid of predators, but, like you researched on that wolf attack. the wolves we have down here are not afraid of humans and that makes them dangerous, i can site a number of attacks here idaho in the last couple of years to support that. its like the grizzlies in yellowstone and glacier national park, when they allowed the bears to feed on the garbage dumps, and allowed people to feed them from their cars. they lost all fear of man, and many of them had to be destroyed because they became very aggressive toward people. the wolves we have here in idaho are starting to do the same thing. they are getting super aggressive toward people. we need a hunting season in the worst way on these animals right now. not to kill them all, but to limit their numbers and install some fear in them.
BCBOY. i apologize to you for my comments, its clear your not a punk kid. good pictures by the way. but i would not advocate you walking around your neck of the woods without a gun. remeber what happened to treadwell in alaska? the same could happen to you just as easily. don take a chance on that. jazzbear and his stupid post about giving away his buddy's horn hunting spot pissed me off. but do some research on wolves attacking people, its happened before, not often, buts theres been recorded cases of it. your more likely to get hit by lighting than you are to get attacked by wolves or bears. just my two cents worth. i wont post on this subject again. have fun horn hunting all.
 
Nice pics BC and I think your right on the moose probably a wolf kill from what I see the animal was pretty healthy as the gut was full of grass so she was probably not at all sick. Too bad for her and her calf.

Well looks like she went to good use anyway probably fed wolf or two for at least one afternoon...



^BIGBONE^
 
Puma,
In my career, the odds on getting attacked by a bear (black or grizz) are way higher than that of an average joe getting attacked. I've been false charged more times than I can count. Because of my occupational hazard I could legally pack a sidearm for work if I wanted to. I choose not to. I feel that a sidearm would more than likely make a bad situation worse and turn a false charge into the real thing. I prefer to keep my head about me and use my experience as my best resource for getting out of those bad situations. I can tell ya wolves are the last thing I worry about when I go to work. Actually, I've had many an unarmed encounter where I've tried to get them closer by howling at them. They don't even rank on my danger scale. Heck, have a face to face encounter with a wolverine and the adreniline is flowing way more than any wolf encounter.
 
Bigbone,
I knew you'd take that pic to support your cause. ;) The fact is there was no evidence (tracks or scat) to prove that that cow died from wolves. The fact that one animal kills another to eat it is all part of the life cycle buddy. Other critters definately will benifit from that moose. To say it was a waste is only thinking in man's terms. Animals don't think in man's terms. Why??? Cause they are animals.
 
LOL BCBOY, i agree with you about the wolverines, they have a nasty temper for sure. i watched two of them try to run a grizz off a calf elk he had just killed, they half succeded at doing so. got part of one leg at least. made for some great pictures. i've seen wolves and grizz fight over winter kills as well, pretty amazing to watch. also saw wolves and two big male cougars go at it on togawtee pass in wyoming. talk about a fight! the cougars killed three of the wolves and i had to put down one of the cats from his injuries. not sure what started the whole thing between them. didn't find any kills in the area. i was horn hunting and stumbled upon them. great photos of that one as well!.
 
BCBOY said,

"In my career, the odds on getting attacked by a bear (black or grizz) are way higher than that of an average joe getting attacked. I've been false charged more times than I can count. Because of my occupational hazard I could legally pack a sidearm for work if I wanted to. I choose not to. I feel that a sidearm would more than likely make a bad situation worse and turn a false charge into the real thing. I prefer to keep my head about me and use my experience as my best resource for getting out of those bad situations."

Steve,you've been false charged more times than you can count? You may very well come across a bear that doesn't care about your IQ one of these days. Plenty of stories of very experienced outdoosmen who got the big chomp. Pretty foolish attitude, IMO. Get yourself one of the new big bore handguns and pack it in those situations. Pay the insurance, you only live once!

Eel
 
puma we need pics to back that one up!
I have often wondered how a fight like that would turn out!





Time in the hills is always worth more than money
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-07 AT 03:50PM (MST)[p]I too have been charged by the big bear but I damn sure have not forgotten one second of either time!!! I have bumped into many bear and many wolves in the last 30+ years of hiking and hunting in the heart of the "Grizzly Bear Recovery Zone" I backpack hundreds of miles each year. 320 miles last year, 138 miles so far this year. I have never needed a gun to defend myself! I have had the pepper spray in hand many times but never even used that. I have several friends that are Game and fish wardens that work in griz and wolf infested country,they dont pack heat for self defence.
I do have a Remington 870 Tactical as a camp gun!





Time in the hills is always worth more than money
 
wyohikeit the pictures you posted are very good would like to see more also hear more on your bear incounters how close before charge stopped etc I find those things interesting and like to hear them from credible people.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-07 AT 05:54PM (MST)[p]Eel,
Not a foolish attitude at all. I've worked with a few guys that packed and that scared the hell out of me!!! A firearm is no guarentee, yet those who packed all thought it was. Kinda like guys who drive big a$$ 4x4's who think they will never get stuck. I've watched work partners try to hit a stump in a cutblock at close range and never hit it. Now, do you think they are going to make the situation worse when they have a bear coming in at full charge? Damn rights they are!!! I personally don't have the time or the effort required to maintain excellant marksmanship with a handgun. By law we are only allowed to shoot at registered ranges. I don't want to put my security in a gun that I haven't shot a lot on a regular basis. Getting to the range several times a week in not in the cards for me. Soooo, no, I don't think my attitude is foolish. It has actually been well thought out. I do pack bearspray and bear bangers. Never have had to use the bearspray yet. When I encounter a bear that shows aggression or just doesn't care, I back out of the area and we hold off of working there until the bear has moved on. I only once have packed my hunting rifle with me because the job needed to be done ASAP and I encountered a sow grizz and 2 cubs the week before. Really should have not gone back in, but felt better with my rifle over my shoulder.
 
Wolves do kill people! I saw it in a horror film! A wolf turned into a man and back into a wolf with a full moon. These crazy hollywood films are coming to life. It won't be long before wolves take over the world. I'm predicting it, by 2012 we will be run down by wolves and we will have to live in the wild while they take over our homes. They will ruin all of our shed spots! They are going to eat every deer, elk, and moose in the country. These evil beasts must be stopped before IT GETS TOO LATE! Rise up my brothers let the revolution begin!!!
 
BCBOY, OK since you put it that way. I agree, someone who doesn't know how to handle a side arm (or a 4x4 truck for that matter) really should leave it home. But I know you well enough to know that you know how and when to use any firearm. You or I would not even think about shooting until it was already decided as a last resort. It just MIGHT make the difference, IMO. If one is in that position, MIGHT beats the alternative. But to each his own. I've never pulled mine out in 35 years. I hope I never do.

We would hate to loose the only moderator Bessy fears. LOL!

Eel
 
What about the guy that was supposed to have been killed and partially eaten by wolves last year or so, in Ontario or some eastern canadian province?
 
This has got to be the best Thread I ahve ever read. Thanks to all of you.. Puma you gave in way to easy.. Stick to the fact that if you see a wolf Kill It!! If members of Al Queada invaded our land would we not pack heat?

Wolves Suck!!
 
I remember doing reports in school as a kid on wolves and not finding evidence of wolf kills on humans. Now that I'm older I have read and researched some of the journals written by the pioneers that settled the west. They speak of packs of wolves that would encircle their camps and attacks on the stock and humans. I believe there were lots more wolves back then. My point is that a human attacks can happen and has in the past.

The difference between BC Boys wolves and ours is that he can hunt them. They have learned to fear humans. My brother lives in Alaska and the same is true up there. You really have to look to find wolves, they are hunted and in turn realize that to be around humans is dangerous. They have way more wolves than I do in Montana but I can see more of them than he can.

I believe in balance but also can see that until they are hunted to control numbers they will continue to become emboldened and fearless. Hopefully nothing happens to anyone but that is what it might take to begin hunting them.
 

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