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hangingmeat
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I dont get on much, he used to seem to be one of the better guys around here and was really knowledgeable about Elk hunting.
Am I missing his posts somewhere?
Am I missing his posts somewhere?
HorseCreek
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I think Bess ate him.
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ShowThemToMe
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I'll let PUNK Answer that!
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If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
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hangingmeat
Guest
Was this one of the "artist formally known as BOBCATBESS"'s many names? That would be funny as can be, as I didn't even put 2 and 2 together on that one!
If not, Is he still around?
If not, Is he still around?
Broadside_Shot
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Hangingmeat,
You are correct "Bess" and "Pro" are the same dude
You are correct "Bess" and "Pro" are the same dude
ColoradoOak
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>Hangingmeat,
>
>You are correct "Bess" and "Pro"
>are the same dude
Hahaha.
>
>You are correct "Bess" and "Pro"
>are the same dude
Hahaha.
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ShowThemToMe
Guest
>Was this one of the "artist
>formally known as BOBCATBESS"'s many
>names? That would be funny
>as can be, as I
>didn't even put 2 and
>2 together on that one!
>
>
>If not, Is he still around?
That's a LOW BLOW right there SwinginMeat!
About as low as you can go!
From what I understand,PRO Jacks his Jaw over on the DWR Forum!
He came back on MM under a couple different names & He was busted imediately!
He's never actually ******* me over,but did ##### a few Friends over,We don't tollerate that kinda BS!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
>formally known as BOBCATBESS"'s many
>names? That would be funny
>as can be, as I
>didn't even put 2 and
>2 together on that one!
>
>
>If not, Is he still around?
That's a LOW BLOW right there SwinginMeat!
About as low as you can go!
From what I understand,PRO Jacks his Jaw over on the DWR Forum!
He came back on MM under a couple different names & He was busted imediately!
He's never actually ******* me over,but did ##### a few Friends over,We don't tollerate that kinda BS!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
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ShowThemToMe
Guest
LMAO!
He'll 'Take You' I'm sure!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
He'll 'Take You' I'm sure!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
PleaseDear
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Please send the Certified Cashiers Check for $15k.....UP Front...
And----
The Guide Tip for $2k to the Tatoo Parlor.....
Then send a PM to Slammy and STTM for the actual free help on your drawn tag....
Nope---I do not think 'Heather' will be on this hunt.....drool..haha
Robb
And----
The Guide Tip for $2k to the Tatoo Parlor.....
Then send a PM to Slammy and STTM for the actual free help on your drawn tag....
Nope---I do not think 'Heather' will be on this hunt.....drool..haha
Robb
wileywapati
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I heard him and BESS ( not that imposter STTM ) are running sheep
from a tent somewhere in Wyoming.
2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
from a tent somewhere in Wyoming.
2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
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shooter21
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thats funny !!
> I heard him and
>BESS ( not that imposter
>STTM ) are running sheep
>
>from a tent somewhere in Wyoming.
>
>
>
>
>
>2010 TOTALS
>P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
>UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS
>GONE
> I heard him and
>BESS ( not that imposter
>STTM ) are running sheep
>
>from a tent somewhere in Wyoming.
>
>
>
>
>
>2010 TOTALS
>P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
>UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS
>GONE
slamdunk
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>Please send the Certified Cashiers Check
>for $15k.....UP Front...
>
>
>And----
>
>
>The Guide Tip for $2k to
>the Tatoo Parlor.....
>
>
>Then send a PM to Slammy
>and STTM for the actual
>free help on your
>drawn tag....
>
>Nope---I do not think 'Heather' will
>be on this hunt.....drool..haha
>
>Robb
ROFLMAO!!!!!! ;-)
>for $15k.....UP Front...
>
>
>And----
>
>
>The Guide Tip for $2k to
>the Tatoo Parlor.....
>
>
>Then send a PM to Slammy
>and STTM for the actual
>free help on your
>drawn tag....
>
>Nope---I do not think 'Heather' will
>be on this hunt.....drool..haha
>
>Robb
ROFLMAO!!!!!! ;-)
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stinkystomper
Guest
wow please deer is well informed. hahahaha. dont forget to make sure and not sign a contract that way the DA cannot officially go after him. dont forget the $15k will get u a lot of emailed advice and the guarantee that on the last day of your dutton hunt if you have to settle for a bull that will mean u will only get a 380 bull.
i guarantee $15k spent with him will definitely mean your pumped up for the hunt. just make sure u know the area or have some actual human beings hired that will show up for the hunt.
i guarantee $15k spent with him will definitely mean your pumped up for the hunt. just make sure u know the area or have some actual human beings hired that will show up for the hunt.
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hangingmeat
Guest
you guy lost me on this one??
what's up?
what's up?
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ShowThemToMe
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> I heard him and
>BESS ( not that imposter
>STTM ) are running sheep
>
>from a tent somewhere in Wyoming.
>
>
>
>
>
>2010 TOTALS
>P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
>UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS
>GONE
That wasn't nice wiley!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
>BESS ( not that imposter
>STTM ) are running sheep
>
>from a tent somewhere in Wyoming.
>
>
>
>
>
>2010 TOTALS
>P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
>UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS
>GONE
That wasn't nice wiley!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
wileywapati
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Ha Ha I knew STTM was an imposter!!! The
CAT would have at minimum given me a stfu!!
Ya know I'm just pulling your tail Bessy!!
2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
CAT would have at minimum given me a stfu!!
Ya know I'm just pulling your tail Bessy!!
2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
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ShowThemToMe
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LOL wiley!
I don't mind you pulling it but lately you've been 'yanking it'!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
I don't mind you pulling it but lately you've been 'yanking it'!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
just_a_hunter
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-12 AT 06:44AM (MST)[p]It sounds like this guy is a scammer so for the sake of us all, for once will you guys post some details or a link or some real facts not typed in jest so we may not get screwed over by this guy in the future.
You guys type and respond like everybody follows this forum as religous and often as you guys do and we should just be able to put the pieces together. Thats not how it really works, respectivly.
Did Stinky book a hunt with him for 15K and then the dude didn't even show up? Did Stinky send all the money first and hope the hunt turned out? Was Stinky told a last day bull was a 380 bull? Did STTM and Slam end up guiding Stinky for free as a friend/friend hunt? Does this guy still guide/outfit and who for?
Thanks,
Todd
You guys type and respond like everybody follows this forum as religous and often as you guys do and we should just be able to put the pieces together. Thats not how it really works, respectivly.
Did Stinky book a hunt with him for 15K and then the dude didn't even show up? Did Stinky send all the money first and hope the hunt turned out? Was Stinky told a last day bull was a 380 bull? Did STTM and Slam end up guiding Stinky for free as a friend/friend hunt? Does this guy still guide/outfit and who for?
Thanks,
Todd
wileywapati
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Yep BESSY I get pretty crotchety when I don't
Have any tags!!!
Time for a good old elk management debate.
2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
Have any tags!!!
Time for a good old elk management debate.
2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
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hangingmeat
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>LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-12
>AT 06:44 AM (MST)
>
>It sounds like this guy is
>a scammer so for the
>sake of us all, for
>once will you guys post
>some details or a link
>or some real facts not
>typed in jest so we
>may not get screwed over
>by this guy in the
>future.
>
>You guys type and respond like
>everybody follows this forum as
>religous and often as you
>guys do and we should
>just be able to put
>the pieces together. Thats not
>how it really works, respectivly.
>
>
>Did Stinky book a hunt with
>him for 15K and then
>the dude didn't even show
>up? Did Stinky send all
>the money first and hope
>the hunt turned out? Was
>Stinky told a last day
>bull was a 380 bull?
>Did STTM and Slam end
>up guiding Stinky for free
>as a friend/friend hunt? Does
>this guy still guide/outfit and
>who for?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Todd
+1!
whats the secrete?
>AT 06:44 AM (MST)
>
>It sounds like this guy is
>a scammer so for the
>sake of us all, for
>once will you guys post
>some details or a link
>or some real facts not
>typed in jest so we
>may not get screwed over
>by this guy in the
>future.
>
>You guys type and respond like
>everybody follows this forum as
>religous and often as you
>guys do and we should
>just be able to put
>the pieces together. Thats not
>how it really works, respectivly.
>
>
>Did Stinky book a hunt with
>him for 15K and then
>the dude didn't even show
>up? Did Stinky send all
>the money first and hope
>the hunt turned out? Was
>Stinky told a last day
>bull was a 380 bull?
>Did STTM and Slam end
>up guiding Stinky for free
>as a friend/friend hunt? Does
>this guy still guide/outfit and
>who for?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Todd
+1!
whats the secrete?
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stinkystomper
Guest
post #19 is spot on except for the fact that i sent him $30k. the only thing i got for it was the tag for $15k. so i only lost $15k. when it was time to goto the auction and purchase the tag i thought it was wierd that pro put the tag on his credit card which cost him 5% more instead of just writing a check since he had $30k. i ddint know at the time he had spent all of the money. i wonder if he ever got that credit card paid off?
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ShowThemToMe
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>Yep BESSY I get pretty crotchety
>when I don't
>Have any tags!!!
>
>Time for a good old elk
>management debate.
>
>
>2010 TOTALS
>P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
>UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS
>GONE
You buy a General Elk PISSCUTTER Bull Tag wiley?
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
>when I don't
>Have any tags!!!
>
>Time for a good old elk
>management debate.
>
>
>2010 TOTALS
>P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
>UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS
>GONE
You buy a General Elk PISSCUTTER Bull Tag wiley?
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
AWHOLELOTTABULL
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Holy cow! I almost forgot about the nice hiking slippers stinkbug had on for this hunt. And on that rock pile to boot!
It's always an adventure!!!
And on that rock pile to boot!It's always an adventure!!!
just_a_hunter
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It sounds like some friendships where made and some very hard lessons learned. Thanks for sharing and I'm glad it worked out.
Todd
Todd
slamdunk
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Another very stragne twist to the ending of this story was we knew the bull was down. I was across the canyon on a radio and my spotting scope, i saw the bull go down but he disappeared. I was telling the boys where i last seen him him and they were standing exactly in that spot. Ironically and for some mysterious reason, the bull literally jumped up in the dang tree....he was hanging!! Guess he knew that after 17 shots Stinky was out of bullets so he hung himself!! Lol
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ShowThemToMe
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The Bull almost put another Notch on my 3-5-7!
Only thing that crossed my mind was I was not 110% sure this was Stinkbugs Bull!
I knew it was his Bull but I had no way of Proving it!
You Quit counting at 17 PUNK?
After the Bull Jumped We Swiftly moved to the Edge of the Hill!
Stinkbug fires a couple more Rounds!
Boom,I hit him,I hit him!
I said Shoot him again!
Boom,I hit him,I hit him!
I'm watching & this is the first time I've ever seen what I seen!
A Huge Pinion Tree is shaking as I'm looking through my Bino's,every once in a while Me & Stinkbug see some Elk Hide,Stinkbug saying many times:Should I shoot him again?Should I shoot him again? I say: No,I'm afraid you're gonna shoot his Antlers off,That Tree Shakin like it was still had me wondering WTH was going down?
I hold back while Stinkbug heads over through the Thick Shhit to see if He can find the Bull,I'm watching,holding back to make sure the Bull doesn't try and escape again!
The other 2 Guys walk in from the bottom,they walk in to the Bull then holler at me sayin He's down for the count!
First time I've ever seen a Bull Hang Himself!
I don't mean Hung a little bit I'm talking Hung High,finally explaining why we seen the Big Pinion moving like we did!
I think the Bull was Scared!
Finally said F'it I'm gonna comit Suicde & Hang Myself!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
Only thing that crossed my mind was I was not 110% sure this was Stinkbugs Bull!
I knew it was his Bull but I had no way of Proving it!
You Quit counting at 17 PUNK?
After the Bull Jumped We Swiftly moved to the Edge of the Hill!
Stinkbug fires a couple more Rounds!
Boom,I hit him,I hit him!
I said Shoot him again!
Boom,I hit him,I hit him!
I'm watching & this is the first time I've ever seen what I seen!
A Huge Pinion Tree is shaking as I'm looking through my Bino's,every once in a while Me & Stinkbug see some Elk Hide,Stinkbug saying many times:Should I shoot him again?Should I shoot him again? I say: No,I'm afraid you're gonna shoot his Antlers off,That Tree Shakin like it was still had me wondering WTH was going down?
I hold back while Stinkbug heads over through the Thick Shhit to see if He can find the Bull,I'm watching,holding back to make sure the Bull doesn't try and escape again!
The other 2 Guys walk in from the bottom,they walk in to the Bull then holler at me sayin He's down for the count!
First time I've ever seen a Bull Hang Himself!
I don't mean Hung a little bit I'm talking Hung High,finally explaining why we seen the Big Pinion moving like we did!
I think the Bull was Scared!
Finally said F'it I'm gonna comit Suicde & Hang Myself!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
just_a_hunter
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Did anybody get any pictures of him hanging in the tree?
Would be neat to see!
Todd
Would be neat to see!
Todd
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ShowThemToMe
Guest
After things settled down we got taking a close look!
I could count 13 338 Lapua Battle Wounds!
And that ain't counting the Points He shot off!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
I could count 13 338 Lapua Battle Wounds!
And that ain't counting the Points He shot off!
[font color=red size=redsize=18"face"]SHOW THEM TO ME![/font]
If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!
I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
completesportsman
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Oh yes, the Muscle Milk Bull! I remember well!
One thing I don't remember is him hanging in the tree, that's pretty crazy, I'd like to see a picture too if there is one.
One thing I don't remember is him hanging in the tree, that's pretty crazy, I'd like to see a picture too if there is one.
slamdunk
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It's too bad no one took a pic of him in the tree, it was the most bizzare thing I've ever seen!!
It was a pretty crazy and exciting end to a hunt that lasted about 16 straight days, including scouting. We had a good solid bull spotted the night before the opener but it was blown by an idiot self proclaimed "guide" who went into the group of bugling bulls in the dark and shot a dang 5x5 out of about a half dozen screaming bulls. We watched in horror through our optics as our bull headed out of the valley at rocket speeds. We hunted hard and relentlessely for a big bull and on the last morning we could legally hunt, it all magically came together for us.
Yes our bull committed suicide but only because he'd taken about 13 hits from a Lapua, none that were lethal, except upon closer examintaion he only owned a half a testicle, the other 1 1/2 were splattered all over the side of the hill somewhere!
It was a pretty crazy and exciting end to a hunt that lasted about 16 straight days, including scouting. We had a good solid bull spotted the night before the opener but it was blown by an idiot self proclaimed "guide" who went into the group of bugling bulls in the dark and shot a dang 5x5 out of about a half dozen screaming bulls. We watched in horror through our optics as our bull headed out of the valley at rocket speeds. We hunted hard and relentlessely for a big bull and on the last morning we could legally hunt, it all magically came together for us.
Yes our bull committed suicide but only because he'd taken about 13 hits from a Lapua, none that were lethal, except upon closer examintaion he only owned a half a testicle, the other 1 1/2 were splattered all over the side of the hill somewhere!
wileywapati
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13 .338 holes?!?! YGBFSM!!!
Probably oughta get a bit closer ya think??
2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
Probably oughta get a bit closer ya think??
2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
elkfromabove
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-12 AT 08:24AM (MST)[p]I've met the guy and would be interested in hearing his side of the story! And did someone take him to small claims court? If not, why not?
slamdunk
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>LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-12
>AT 08:24?AM (MST)
>
>I've met the guy and would
>be interested in hearing his
>side of the story! And
>did someone take him to
>small claims court? If not,
>why not?
Although a pancake is flat it does have two sides, there is NO excuses for using or losing a clients money that was paid in trust for a specific product. We later found out the money was "invested" and the investment went bad prior to the hunt.
Who gave the permission for any funds at all that were paid for an elk hunt to be invested into anything other than the hunt it's self?? That's fraud no matter how you slice or dice it. The reason it was not taken to litigation was because this whole thing was done out of trust between friends, therefore nothing was drawn up on paper.......bad mistake and lesson learned.
The entire thing was a nightmare but turned out on a great note other than some friendships burned and a hunt that cost double what it should have, a lot of new friends were made.
Although Stinky may be hated here on the forums, he does have a soft heart when it comes to financial struggles because he has been there and does have a little sympathy for it.
There was also another client involved in this situation but on a differen't hunt. His money was also gone, but was recovered after a lengthly battle and threats made.
It's all said and done now, but obviously still haunts a few people after four years.
Maybe the reason i still have very bitter feelings on this is due to the fact that there has never been any closure. There has not been any apologies, explanations or admission of guilt, only excuses and finger pointing.
Therefore it is what it is......
>AT 08:24?AM (MST)
>
>I've met the guy and would
>be interested in hearing his
>side of the story! And
>did someone take him to
>small claims court? If not,
>why not?
Although a pancake is flat it does have two sides, there is NO excuses for using or losing a clients money that was paid in trust for a specific product. We later found out the money was "invested" and the investment went bad prior to the hunt.
Who gave the permission for any funds at all that were paid for an elk hunt to be invested into anything other than the hunt it's self?? That's fraud no matter how you slice or dice it. The reason it was not taken to litigation was because this whole thing was done out of trust between friends, therefore nothing was drawn up on paper.......bad mistake and lesson learned.
The entire thing was a nightmare but turned out on a great note other than some friendships burned and a hunt that cost double what it should have, a lot of new friends were made.
Although Stinky may be hated here on the forums, he does have a soft heart when it comes to financial struggles because he has been there and does have a little sympathy for it.
There was also another client involved in this situation but on a differen't hunt. His money was also gone, but was recovered after a lengthly battle and threats made.
It's all said and done now, but obviously still haunts a few people after four years.
Maybe the reason i still have very bitter feelings on this is due to the fact that there has never been any closure. There has not been any apologies, explanations or admission of guilt, only excuses and finger pointing.
Therefore it is what it is......
slamdunk
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Elkfromabove-
I just copied this post from Stinky in another forum in a discussion about a very simialr issue another hunter had with a "friend".
This pretty much sums up why there was no litigation on this particular issue........
Stinkystompers quote:
"I am the exact same as you. A handshake and a word and I stick to it. It's made me pretty successful in life but I've been stuck more times than I've hit paydirt. I have NOONE i trust but myself. If it doesnt happen I blame myself. Good honest people are hard to come by and that was me getting your exact same treatment. I just expect that now and roll with the blows. I would not count on them for anything but you also have to treat them as humans and help them when you can when you need it. That is the only thing that will help you get past what they did to you. When you help someone no matter who it is it makes you feel good. When you help someone who wronged you it pushes you past the hard feelings. Just don't forget who they really are and don't ever place trust in them again."
Nuff said
I just copied this post from Stinky in another forum in a discussion about a very simialr issue another hunter had with a "friend".
This pretty much sums up why there was no litigation on this particular issue........
Stinkystompers quote:
"I am the exact same as you. A handshake and a word and I stick to it. It's made me pretty successful in life but I've been stuck more times than I've hit paydirt. I have NOONE i trust but myself. If it doesnt happen I blame myself. Good honest people are hard to come by and that was me getting your exact same treatment. I just expect that now and roll with the blows. I would not count on them for anything but you also have to treat them as humans and help them when you can when you need it. That is the only thing that will help you get past what they did to you. When you help someone no matter who it is it makes you feel good. When you help someone who wronged you it pushes you past the hard feelings. Just don't forget who they really are and don't ever place trust in them again."
Nuff said
elkfromabove
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>>LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-12
>>AT 08:24?AM (MST)
>>
>>I've met the guy and would
>>be interested in hearing his
>>side of the story! And
>>did someone take him to
>>small claims court? If not,
>>why not?
>
>Although a pancake is flat it
>does have two sides, there
>is NO excuses for using
>or losing a clients money
>that was paid in trust
>for a specific product. We
>later found out the money
>was "invested" and the investment
>went bad prior to the
>hunt.
>Who gave the permission for any
>funds at all that were
>paid for an elk hunt
>to be invested into anything
>other than the hunt it's
>self?? That's fraud no matter
>how you slice or dice
>it. The reason it was
>not taken to litigation was
>because this whole thing was
>done out of trust between
>friends, therefore nothing was drawn
>up on paper.......bad mistake and
>lesson learned.
>The entire thing was a nightmare
>but turned out on a
>great note other than some
>friendships burned and a hunt
>that cost double what it
>should have, a lot of
>new friends were made.
>Although Stinky may be hated here
>on the forums, he does
>have a soft heart when
>it comes to financial struggles
>because he has been there
>and does have a little
>sympathy for it.
>There was also another client involved
>in this situation but on
>a differen't hunt. His money
>was also gone, but was
>recovered after a lengthly battle
>and threats made.
>It's all said and done now,
>but obviously still haunts a
>few people after four years.
>
>Maybe the reason i still have
>very bitter feelings on this
>is due to the fact
>that there has never been
>any closure. There has not
>been any apologies, explanations or
>admission of guilt, only excuses
>and finger pointing.
>Therefore it is what it is......
>
>
>
>
Thanks! Hopefully, Pro will read this and the two (or three) of you will be able to resolve this ongoing issue in a civil manner.
>>AT 08:24?AM (MST)
>>
>>I've met the guy and would
>>be interested in hearing his
>>side of the story! And
>>did someone take him to
>>small claims court? If not,
>>why not?
>
>Although a pancake is flat it
>does have two sides, there
>is NO excuses for using
>or losing a clients money
>that was paid in trust
>for a specific product. We
>later found out the money
>was "invested" and the investment
>went bad prior to the
>hunt.
>Who gave the permission for any
>funds at all that were
>paid for an elk hunt
>to be invested into anything
>other than the hunt it's
>self?? That's fraud no matter
>how you slice or dice
>it. The reason it was
>not taken to litigation was
>because this whole thing was
>done out of trust between
>friends, therefore nothing was drawn
>up on paper.......bad mistake and
>lesson learned.
>The entire thing was a nightmare
>but turned out on a
>great note other than some
>friendships burned and a hunt
>that cost double what it
>should have, a lot of
>new friends were made.
>Although Stinky may be hated here
>on the forums, he does
>have a soft heart when
>it comes to financial struggles
>because he has been there
>and does have a little
>sympathy for it.
>There was also another client involved
>in this situation but on
>a differen't hunt. His money
>was also gone, but was
>recovered after a lengthly battle
>and threats made.
>It's all said and done now,
>but obviously still haunts a
>few people after four years.
>
>Maybe the reason i still have
>very bitter feelings on this
>is due to the fact
>that there has never been
>any closure. There has not
>been any apologies, explanations or
>admission of guilt, only excuses
>and finger pointing.
>Therefore it is what it is......
>
>
>
>
Thanks! Hopefully, Pro will read this and the two (or three) of you will be able to resolve this ongoing issue in a civil manner.
slamdunk
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He doesn't care.
He's been back on and went to war with us all over it and left again. I beleived in him when he came to me with his business opportunity to start our own outfitter business, it sounded so perfect. We had a booth at the salt palace convention, drummed up some clients, set some hunts up and then all the money disappeared prior to the hunts when we needed supplies, land use permits and other legalities.
I'm done talking about this now, it is what it is.
I made some good trusting friends out of the deal and had a very lucky ending to what started out as a total disaster.
He's been back on and went to war with us all over it and left again. I beleived in him when he came to me with his business opportunity to start our own outfitter business, it sounded so perfect. We had a booth at the salt palace convention, drummed up some clients, set some hunts up and then all the money disappeared prior to the hunts when we needed supplies, land use permits and other legalities.
I'm done talking about this now, it is what it is.
I made some good trusting friends out of the deal and had a very lucky ending to what started out as a total disaster.
