I seen the clemans mountain ram, they shot it opening weekend of grouse (September), we drove by there camp and stopped and talked to them. It was a nice ram, looked like he shot it in the horn as you could see a chunk of lead in the back of the horn. One thing i didnt like is im sure they lost some of the meat as we were up there like on a saturday and they had shot it the day before clear on the bottom and they hadnt got the meat off the hill, they were going back to get it that day and this is labor day weekend in september so it was kinda warm out. they had the cape all fleshed and salted though.