50 years of bad management is our time frame you referenced and you’re claiming we haven’t backed off permits?
Over 200,000 permits in 1972. Less than 100,000 in 2022. I’m not good at math, but that seems like we have backed off permits quite a bit. Did that accomplish your goal?
Should we cut it down that much again to 40,000 permits statewide? Then when it still doesn’t give you the fix you’re dreaming about, can we cut that number down to 15,000 permits statewide? If we cut it that same percentage, we can get below 7,000 permits each year!
Keep fighting the good fight, Cat!
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Russia has expended less rounds on Ukraine than the dwr has on keeping animals out of farmers fields in northern UT.Take a look at the Rich County antelope herd; I used to see upwards of 20-30 bucks on a drive. Ask me how bucks I’ve seen in the past month driving through the unit 4-5 days a week. I’ll answer in advance: ZERO. I know, there are some there but not ear to what it was. The two doe permit did most of the damage to this unit. My middle son has enough points to draw a rifle tag here. Although we know this unit well and I have lived here for more than 20 years, there is a good chance I’ll suggest to him to apply elsewhere.
Does this guy really think the deer unit in Northern Utah is well managed?
The elk herd is still decent.
I would be happy if they cut the deer permits here by at least half!!
Would it help if they closed units when it falls under some many Bucks per 100 does in that unit.
Would it help if they closed units when it falls under some many Bucks per 100 does in that unit.
I keep thinking one of these hunt openers Bess won't post because he's actually out hunting.....opening night of the rifle hunt and here he is sipping Dew yapping on MM. Some nice bucks are hitting the dirt, dust of your Bushnells and your .3030 and go find you one you pussycat.
Good luck! If it is going to happen this might be the year you re-break the world record!Hey Wiff!
Trying To UN-THAW From This Mornings Hunt!
It's Set In & Isn't Looking Good For Tomorrow But I'll Be Up There Looking For What Ain't There again in the Mornin!
Good luck! If it is going to happen this might be the year you re-break the world record!
I used to see them clear into the hardware zip the last couple yearsTake a look at the Rich County antelope herd; I used to see upwards of 20-30 bucks on a drive. Ask me how bucks I’ve seen in the past month driving through the unit 4-5 days a week. I’ll answer in advance: ZERO. I know, there are some there but not ear to what it was. The two doe permit did most of the damage to this unit. My middle son has enough points to draw a rifle tag here. Although we know this unit well and I have lived here for more than 20 years, there is a good chance I’ll suggest to him to apply elsewhere.
Does this guy really think the deer unit in Northern Utah is well managed?
The elk herd is still decent.
I would be happy if they cut the deer permits here by at least half!!
…… if it don’t then close it longer.Yes see what you are saying I think closing down a unit for a length of time will help grow More Bucks and More doe's for a season or 2 and if it don't then close it longer.
Doe's don't have babies without the BUCKS Right. If you have 5 bucks for 100 doe's they will be a bunch of busy Bucks. Fawns born would be spread out making easy picking for more of them be killed by predators.How will closing down hunting for a season or two grow more bucks or grow more does?
Bucks don’t have babies. Not even in 2022.
Personal opinion………. Closing the unit had a huge helping effect with regrowing a viably sustainable mule deer on the Pauns……. in concert with very carefully adjusted habitat management including forage and water development, persistent predator removal, appropriate highway migration modifications and………finally but most definitely…….. the most… over looked and the most criticized, the extremely careful allocation of hunting tags. The number of tags based on a mule deer herd, living in one of the most tenuous, dry, predator prevalent, arguably the least mule deer habitat of almost any unit in Utah.How has closing a unit helped the Paunsaugunt unit?
Personal opinion………. Closing the unit had a huge helping effect with regrowing a viably sustainable mule deer on the Pauns……. in concert with very carefully adjusted habitat management including forage and water development, persistent predator removal, appropriate highway migration modifications and………finally but most definitely…….. the most… over looked and the most criticized, the extremely careful allocation of hunting tags. The number of tags based on a mule deer herd, living in one of the most tenuous, dry, predator prevalent, arguably the least mule deer habitat of almost any unit in Utah.
Yet, because of these consistent management efforts the results of the closure…… have been a long, long term success rather than….. immediately going back to failure, with two or three years of being reopened for hunting.
The same management strategy was been effective on the Henries, another extremely marginal mule deer unit, with the same success. Same is on the Oak Creek and to some degree on the Vernon and the Book Cliffs. (The reason for less success on the Vernon and Book Cliffs is directly related to a different allocation of hunting tags, this is; less than the general units but more than the premium units.) If they would, the same strategy would work on all units, even the monster mule deer growing units, like the Wasatch, the Manti, the Fish Lake, Pine Valley, Beaver and the Panquitch.
They know how…….. they just won’t! Do not allow them to tell you they don’t know how!
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