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At least this time he wasn't up staging his client.... Oh but look at all the big bucks... Mr. Muley!!!
 
I don't know the hunter, the background story, how much money he paid for the tag, or the details of the hunt. The Mossback Facebook page says this is a Colorado buck that scores 244. So before any of that comes out and insinuation about Mossback taints this thread I am just going to say this:

OH MY! What a beautiful buck - absolute pig! Look at the mass. Incredible. Buck of a lifetime!!

Now, flame away.

HOOK 'EM!
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Thats an incredible buck! That being said, I hate these types of hunts. The deer makes it through all the hunts, and the rut, only to be killed on the winter range! What a bleeping joke! Any Ahole could kill a big buck in the winter time.... Give em a break!
 
From the title of this thread, sounds like there are going to be lots of talk and negative opinions on the taking of this buck. I'm not going to get into that, just don't care to, but i would like pay honor to this tremendous buck.

What a awesome heavy, near perfect typical frame crowned by many and every sort of non-typical extra points known. Absolutely a gorgeous deer, a true monarch of a Muley that i hope was able to live long and sire many pups!!

Joey




"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
I agree with every descriptive word sage used.....no need to try to improve them.

I have to say, if this deer really was "just" shot, meaning winter-range hunting, I wish such hunts either did not exist or that they were ONLY available on a VERY limited straight-draw basis. (From other comments, I'm inferring this tag was bought...sad, if true.)


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
With the tag that hunter had he could hunt till the end of December. Only one tag that I know of. Same unit 4th season 2 non-res tags. 3rd season 2 non-res tags. That does not include residents or landowner tags. Game and fish is after the guy on the right as per Craig Westcoat Game Warden.
 
One More December Buck on the Ground!



If I had Listened!
I wouldn't be here today Living & Dieing with the Choices I've made!
 
If everything you guys say is true about these Mossback dudes then they must be way better hunters than you could ever dream of being. Can you imagine trying to find then whack a giant buck while every game warden in the state is stalking you like a trophy and every titty baby jealous hunter is watching your every move hoping he can turn you in????? And these guys kill year after year, time after time! I doubt the majority of posters on this thread could pull it off.
 
Tristate they are not after Mossback they are after the convicted poacher Brownlee who was just in Eagle County Court a couple of weeks ago for charges.
 
What a magnificent animal. A true giant. Love the perfect typical frame and the huge eye guards. Wow. Gorgeous animal. I'm not a fan of guided late hunts or guided hunts period. Just shooters in my eyes. Awesome animal though WOW
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-12 AT 08:29AM (MST)[p]>If everything you guys say is
>true about these Mossback dudes
>then they must be way
>better hunters than you could
>ever dream of being.
>Can you imagine trying to
>find then whack a giant
>buck while every game warden
>in the state is stalking
>you like a trophy and
>every titty baby jealous hunter
>is watching your every move
>hoping he can turn you
>in????? And these guys
>kill year after year, time
>after time! I doubt
>the majority of posters on
>this thread could pull it
>off.

Seriously, the ability to kill big bucks after all seasons have ended, and when you are getting thousand of $s a year to do so is not that hard. Heck I get out maybe one day a week. And in the last 2 weeks I have seen several bucks i nthe 180s and 2 that would break 200... Those are in units with much more access/licenses... It simply is not a big deal to kill these bucks when you have until the end of December, you have finders fee surpassing what most people make in 2 years, and a small army looking. Add to it that Brownlee is crooked as hell, and has a history of doing what it takes, it simply is not that impressive... Yes I could kill and most here could kill a great buck every year if we were able to hunt through December every year, have people all over the state trying to get the finders fee, and any where from 10-15 guys looking for that buck...

But off course all that matter is they kill big bucks... It is all OK and acceptable as long as they "get it done."
 
Elk96,

you missed the point of my post completely. Some thoughts are just over your head.

As for the rest of you I love how yall can look at a single picture and proclaim who is or isn't a hunter. All the truth you can get from this picture is that there is some seemingly happy old dude sitting behind a more than likey dead mule deer buck surrounded by a few employees of Mossback and one has a previous wildlife conviction. Oh yeah, and it looks to have recently snowed. Bigots.
 
What a beautiful buck! No one grows them like we do here in CO...
I can see where a lot of you guys are coming from with individuals such as Brownlee, and his reputation. You cant change what people like him have, or haven't done. Look past the individual spotting and just admire the buck!
 
I wonder if some have a fathead of there fathead on the wall at home.
Many of us take pictures of bucks on the winter range that rival bucks like that....Guess we must be even better hunters than the clown posse because we know it would be a cake walk to shoot them instead.
Not much sport in it at all.
 
Heck of a nice buck, congrads to the hunter and anybody who was involved

FYI....FYI

COLORARDO RANCHING FOR WILDLIFE seasons go into DECEMBER
WYOMING has MULE DEER hunts that go until the end of NOVEMBER
MONTANA has MULE DEER hunts that go until after THANKSGIVING
UTAH has MULE DEER hunts that go until DECEMBER 7.....









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1. Express an opinion
2. Wait
 
I don't know what is more retarded, hiring a 3 time convicted poacher as your guide, or to actually need a guide to shoot a buck off the winter range! hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ummmm, Congrats?
 
Awesome buck. I hope someday I see a bruiser like that while hunting. Dream buck. I've heard that in the 40s 50s 60s and early 70s a lot of hunts took place in the late winter. Anyone have some insight on this? Was this indeed a high dollar tag?

"Relax and squeeze the trigger, They can't
get away;)", quoted from the best hunter I
know
 
if he is a three time comvicted poacher, why is m .m, showing him, as a hunter,,,,????
 
TO elkun because he is friends with founder is why his pic gets posted here. You could read about his conviction and his recent eagle county court appearance in the general forum under the title facts not accusations.
 
Nice buck for sure, Id like to see more big bucks on M.M.
with out a guide
 
Elks96 pretty well nailed it,IMO.Just think Rambo,if that buck wasn't killed on the winter range,maybe you actually COULD kill him next year!

No doubt an awesome buck.One that should still be alive!

Hey TRISTATE!Do you seriously think no one else could find a buck like that on winter range?Are you from New Jersey or something?Sheesh!If you live in ANY western state where deer congregate on winter range,finding and killing a deer like that would be EASY.E-A-S-Y!!You can put me on your name-calling list,I guess.Couldn't disagree with you on this particular subject any more.

Jerry-Good post(again).Matbe Fathead should start advertising to "hunters".They are missing out on a potential gold mine.
 
"Elks96 pretty well nailed it,IMO.Just think Rambo,if that buck wasn't killed on the winter range,maybe you actually COULD kill him next year!"

Wish in one hand.

"No doubt an awesome buck.One that should still be alive!"

Excellent! You echo anti-hunter opinions now.

"Hey TRISTATE!Do you seriously think no one else could find a buck like that on winter range?"

Slow down and go back and REEEAAAD my post. You missed the point.

"Are you from New Jersey or something?Sheesh!If you live in ANY western state where deer congregate on winter range,finding and killing a deer like that would be EASY.E-A-S-Y!!"

Nope. I'm from Texas. Killing a deer on winter range is easy. But if you want to poach one on the winter range while every gamewarden is watching you and a few thousand jealous hunters are looking to turn you in, you better bring your a-game.
You can put me on your name-calling list,I guess.Couldn't disagree with you on this particular subject any more.

Jerry-Good post(again).Matbe Fathead should start advertising to "hunters".They are missing out on a potential gold mine.
 
ORION, your comment is one of the dummest on this post. Show me one post where founder has posted a pic of Brownlee.

Yelum
 
Hey Yelum never said founder posted the photo. The guy asked why a convicted poachers photo is on here and all I was saying is that founder won't remove it because they are friends. Same reason he locks all these threads up about brownlee. Weren't you also defending him on the other governor tag buck post a couple weeks ago? OH and as for founder posting pics of Brownlee I don't think he has but the home page does feature a buck of brownlee's though.
 
OK, so you're saying founder should remove any post about poachers, or ones that have a picture of a poacher in them. Why, what would guys complain about? The picture posted was done so for entertainment, knowing guys would start moaning. A few give the buck credit. But it wasn't posted because he is founders friend as you inferred.

Not sure who you were referring to when you said I was defending him, founder, brownlee? I wont defend poaching, as there is no excuse.

Yelum
 
"Ya, and a convicted bank robber should not be allowed the use of money. And we should whack the weeney off every rapist. OK, maybe I agree with that one."

Yelum

Here is what you said in the other thread about brownlee when I brought up the fact that he is applying for a guides license in Colorado. It looks like your defending him to me and yeah a convicted bank robber should be allowed the use of money, but I doubt one would get a job at a bank.
 
I want to see some of those pictures of bucks that rival this buck TheKnack. I get out once in a while myself, and I know there ain't many 244 and 259 inch monster muleys running around Colorado. Please, put me in my place and share a few pics of bucks that rival the one in this thread (no town bucks though).

And to anyone else who thinks it's easy to find 240+ bucks on the winter range....share!!! Show us that it's easy! Show me I suck and maybe I'll throw in the towel and take up basket weaving.

ORIONTHEHUNTER - What are you talking about? "home page does feature a buck of brownlee's though" Where?

Poor Founder .... I get in trouble if I lock a thread that mentions Brownlee, get in trouble if I delete a thread with Brownlee, and also get in trouble if I don't delete a thread with Brownlee in it?
Can't argue with duh. It's like dealing with my 15 year old.
boo hoo, boo hoo.

PS - Brownlee found another monster!!! LMAO I get a kick out of how pissed off it makes some of you. I'm sure he loves it too.(funny stuff for sure) Gotta love the entertainment here!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
That's a great looking buck! More than great! But I agree, these extraordinary tags, unless won in a raffle, only stir up the general hunting population and piss people off. I don't think any tag should be bid on. And then on top of it all, you add in an unethical guide and a high dollar guide service who've turned our hobby into an enterprise wherever possible, and you'll piss the general hunting population off even more!!! So when I see bucks like this in December, I don't even look at them the same...
 
Founder,

If you were given $100,000 and only had to focus on finding a big buck for the last 6 weeks of the year and you could pick 5 people to work with you, do you think you could find a 240 in Colorado? Just curious. I agree it doesn't sound easy, but I bet you could find a 220 without a problem:)

Now, what if you provided a cool 20K finders fee to anyone, that changes things I bet.



Would a lottery system make as much money as an auction tag? If so, I don't see why there are any auction tags at all.Could you imagine the excitement if a regular Joe lucked into this buck on an easy to draw 2nd season tag or even on a lottery tag? I am in the boat that these tags should not exist, unless they are based on a lottery system.

Awesome buck by the way. No ill will towards the hunter or Brownlee, most would do the same if we could. They didn't settle for those little 220s that are behind every tree!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-12 AT 02:55PM (MST)[p]Founder,

You asked...a friend and I found this buck on winter range a few years ago in Wyoming. Picture quality is poor, but I can assure you this buck is over 230 NT all day long.

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Could have easily shot it from the truck, using the rearview mirror as a rest, while wearing pajamas and slippers.

Tell me all about how tough it is to find a booner on winter range...what a joke. The definition of a hard hunt on winter range is not having automatic windows, but rather the old fashiioned hand cranks.


Oh, and heres the sheds from another buck that my buddy found after we saw him with 1 antler on winter range. Found in the same general area, and has a similar frame as the buck above, minus about 40 inches of extras. IIRC, this buck grossed about 201ish. Killing this buck where the sheds were found, and where we saw him with 1 antler, wouldnt have been any big deal...like most the bucks on winter range.

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Desert Ghillie,
I wrote you a response, but maybe I got distracted and it didn't get sent. Sorry, Check your PM and I will try again.

Isn't this the season to be Jolly?
 
OK, Well I would rather he guide a guy to a LEGALLY kiled deer, than be poaching deer, as long as he ain't breaking the law to do it. These post go off on several different rants, Gov tags, winter/rut hunting, guided hunts, and poachers. gov tags, guides, rut hunting, are all approved and sanctioned by the states. If he is convicted of current wildlife violations then he won't get his guiding liciense. The fact that he was convicted 10+ plus years ago doesn't mean he can't work in the wildlife industry. Bag on him all you want. I will neither praise him or condemm him.

However your comment on founder was NOT truth, but I won't go on a public forum and label you as a liar.

Yelum
 
Founder- I have seen two bucks out by Craig that were pushing 220 a couple years ago, and were dumber than pIss. Mostly just trying to survive. I bet most others have seen monster bucks on winter range. Go ask the Utes I bet they can show you some 240's. Some guys just want someone to look up too or be looked up too. I find no sport in hiring a 20k guide and 80k tag to pop bucks on winter range. Go ahead and go buy your landowner tag. I promise you this high dollar pissing match will be the downfall to publIc land huntIng. Preston
 
Founder isn't that brownlee's buck from 2010 that is the picture that is currently over the top of all the forum pages? I guess what I don't find funny about Brownlee finding another monster is the way he does it i.e. convicted of poaching and was just in court in Eagle County over other charges. Founder one quick question do you think Brownlee should be able to get a guide license in Colorado with all of his convictions?
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-12 AT 04:28PM (MST)[p]People think these bounty hunters are some sort of deer whisperers. Wait until general hunting seasons are over, go to a good unit, live in a hotel, drive around winter range on your ATV all day while everyone else is at work, and I imagine you might find some giant bucks too. Especially if you buddy up with some local kids that would sell their sister for a 12 pack of beer, and ask them where they are seeing deer.

Although, to live that lifestyle is pretty sad for someone in their 40's. Easy to get there though, just go make some really poor financial decisions, lose your house, your family, and rack up the debt on things like monster trucks and ATV's. But afterall, being known as a deer whisperer is worth it, isn't it? Especially when the 20-something kids still living at home idolize you.

Killing deer should not be a man's priority in life.
 
Great buck. Congratulations to the "Hunter". Like it or not Moss puts his clients on great animals. He has taken the trophy hunt to the next level.
 
Anybody else not see 244" in that buck? That buck would have to be a 220" main frame to reach 244 and I highly doubt that buck is a 220" main frame deer. This buck and the last buck posted that these guys teamed up to get don't seem to add up to me.
 
Can someone tell me the exact charges Brownlee was recently in Eagle County Court for? I looked at the other thread, but couldn't find it. Thanks
 
4000fps - Very well written, my thoughts exactly. Sadly, the world is full of them. Just seems more prevalent in Utah, Nevada and Grand Jct, even with all the good people in those regions. Yes, I'm talking about the guys with jacked up diesels, muley nut sticker, towing a rhino. And, almost forgot wife/girlfriend with fake boobs.
 
Man that is a Great Buck! I just wonder why that Brownlee Guy has to have his Dink Maulers on the Racks of his Hunters Deer in the Photos for?
 
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Sweet looking buck. Not sweet on how he was harvested. I would rather kill a 140 4x4 DIY buck than a 240 15x15 Guided dropper buck any day.

Just my 2 cents
 
Large, VERY large deer, congrats to all invovled. I dont doubt for a second that this buck was too difficult to harvest on the winter range if thats true. So, its a good thing this buck generated alot of cash before he died of old age. Doesnt sound like there was 1 hunter worth a drop of horse pith that could even find him in his summer range and get him killed.
Again, DANDY for sure.
 
Brian- Here are some old photo's of a couple bucks even you think are worthy to post on the top of this website directly above Monstermuleys logo. These were taken by me while the others you have were gifted to you by someone else's better photography skills.
As for my most recent pictures I do not share them much anymore because "bounty" shooters would be scrambling trying to find them. It matters not where they are as Yelums deceased bucks he has photographed has proven.
I have been contacted by Governor tag holders in the past asking if I would help them out but decline. My family could use an easy 10k. However selling out to those that are trashing our heritage at all costs is not worth it to me. The future of my kids being able to enjoy actual hunting is priceless and I will not sell out.
Killing bucks that have survived the hunts and end up on winter range only to be whacked by a lazy ego driven wanna be hunter is sad.
It's like recently running a marathon and then having someone who never ran it being given the ribbon.
Best,
Jerry
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I don't see what the big deal is. It was 1 whole deer that was killed on the winter range. It's not like they opened a season on the winter range. And I agree with other comments above - a 240" isn't an easy buck to find, even on the winter range. If I had the Gov tag - it'd be a once in a lifetime deal. I guarantee I would have a guide if I wasn't local to the area.

But everyone has their own opinion and that's cool...

Awesome buck - can't argue that..
 
I highly doubt that. Most posters on here kill quality bucks in tough or general units. No doubt in my mind most dedicated hunters on here could kill a giant also with the same time and units and most likly do it by themselves. I would speak for yourself, not everone else.
 
>I don't see what the big
>deal is. It was
>1 whole deer that was
>killed on the winter range.
> It's not like they
>opened a season on the
>winter range. And I
>agree with other comments above
>- a 240" isn't an
>easy buck to find, even
>on the winter range.
>If I had the Gov
>tag - it'd be a
>once in a lifetime deal.
> I guarantee I would
>have a guide if I
>wasn't local to the area.
>
>
>But everyone has their own opinion
>and that's cool...
>
>Awesome buck - can't argue that..
>

Have to side with Knack on this one, Using a guide aint hunting its just killin, Its bought and payed for but not earned, No pride IMO, Rich egos are taking our sport in a bad direction Im afraid. I could understand why somone would want to be a guide
who wouldnt want to get paid to find trophy animals. But on the other hand It takes opportunities away from guys that earn it the hard way especially on the winter range. This buck belongs to some guy that busted his ballls off and shot it with his bow IMO, Just sayin
 
The big deal is that wealth is allowing these guys to kill big deer during a time of the year that others can't hunt and when the bucks are most vulnerable after surviving scads of guys in the regular season. That ain't my cup of tea, especially using umpteen people to help do it!!!
 
>>I don't see what the big
>>deal is. It was
>>1 whole deer that was
>>killed on the winter range.
>> It's not like they
>>opened a season on the
>>winter range. And I
>>agree with other comments above
>>- a 240" isn't an
>>easy buck to find, even
>>on the winter range.
>>If I had the Gov
>>tag - it'd be a
>>once in a lifetime deal.
>> I guarantee I would
>>have a guide if I
>>wasn't local to the area.
>>
>>
>>But everyone has their own opinion
>>and that's cool...
>>
>>Awesome buck - can't argue that..
>>
>
> Have to side with Knack
>on this one, Using a
>guide aint hunting its just
>killin, Its bought and payed
>for but not earned, No
>pride IMO, Rich egos are
>taking our sport in a
>bad direction Im afraid. I
>could understand why somone would
>want to be a guide
>
> who wouldnt want to get
>paid to find trophy animals.
>But on the other hand
>It takes opportunities away from
>guys that earn it the
>hard way especially on the
>winter range. This buck belongs
>to some guy that busted
>his ballls off and shot
>it with his bow IMO,
>Just sayin

Stupid statements like "not earned" or "takes opportunity" puts the D in dumb. This guy whoever he is may not have "earned" it in a traditional sense, but how do you know he didn't earn the $$ it took to pay for the hunt. You guys are the biggest bunch of 15 year olds girls that I have ever seen on a forum. To make matters worse every last one of you would do the same dang thing if you had the $$.

Bunch of freaking 30 yo babies who have never earned a dang thing in their life. This is America the greatest nation on earth!! And everyone living last one of you have the same opportunity as this guy. If you don't feel like America offers you the same opportunity to "earn" money then Canada in north and Mexico is south. I'm sure either one would love to have you.
 
"Brian- Here are some old photo's of a couple bucks even you think are worthy to post on the top of this website directly above Monstermuleys logo. These were taken by me while the others you have were gifted to you by someone else's better photography skills."

Thanks for sharing.

"As for my most recent pictures I do not share them much anymore because "bounty" shooters would be scrambling trying to find them. It matters not where they are as Yelums deceased bucks he has photographed has proven."

SO you are going to spare all the little creatures by keeping their special secret between you and all the other PETA members?????? Or do you think you are the only one special enough to kill a deer anymore?

"I have been contacted by Governor tag holders in the past asking if I would help them out but decline. My family could use an easy 10k. However selling out to those that are trashing our heritage at all costs is not worth it to me. The future of my kids being able to enjoy actual hunting is priceless and I will not sell out."

How many deer did your not "selling out" save???? That governor tag paid for a lot more deer conservation that would insure your kids have a future hunting than your over the counter tag and false pride ever will.

"Killing bucks that have survived the hunts and end up on winter range only to be whacked by a lazy ego driven wanna be hunter is sad."

Why? Because you didn't do it??? As for "ego driven", why do you think you are typing this? Your self-righteous over inflated ego thinks you are the great hunter everyone else should aspire to be and all others are "wanna be".


"It's like recently running a marathon and then having someone who never ran it being given the ribbon.
Best,
Jerry"

No Jerry, its like you just ran a marathon and can't understand why Nascar drivers get a sponsorship deal when you should be thinking about the joy of running the race instead of who gets ribbons. If you have lost touch with your sport this badly, and someone else's success defines your role in the sport, it is time for you to find something else to do.
 
"Stupid statements like "not earned" or "takes opportunity" puts the D in dumb. This guy whoever he is may not have "earned" it in a traditional sense, but how do you know he didn't earn the $$ it took to pay for the hunt. You guys are the biggest bunch of 15 year olds girls that I have ever seen on a forum. To make matters worse every last one of you would do the same dang thing if you had the $$.

Bunch of freaking 30 yo babies who have never earned a dang thing in their life. This is America the greatest nation on earth!! And everyone living last one of you have the same opportunity as this guy. If you don't feel like America offers you the same opportunity to "earn" money then Canada in north and Mexico is south. I'm sure either one would love to have you."


YES! YES! YES! YES! THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE! Fianly someone got to the heart of the matter.
 
"The big deal is that wealth is allowing these guys to kill big deer during a time of the year that others can't hunt and when the bucks are most vulnerable after surviving scads of guys in the regular season. That ain't my cup of tea, especially using umpteen people to help do it!!!"


Yes, topgun we all know you have bought into class warfare. You hate capitolism and can't wait for socialism to rule. I am sure you will get to kill a lot more big deer when your daddy Obama sorts out that silly old constitution.

First the dudes with money got fast cars, big houses and all the hot women you never did. Now they get to kill "your" deer. Damn them. :)
 
I'll never be the rich guy behind the gun in december but....how do I get in on this finders fee thing? I got some vacation left to burn this year and this would be a great way to spend it.....Anyone have a winter range hunt they still need help on? I could use a little christmas cash....
 
That is a great buck, WOW.

Really is too bad the photo has to be tainted with the mug of a convicted poacher.
I am surprised Doyle would put his logo on this photo.
Oh well.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-12 AT 08:30AM (MST)[p]Tristate strikes again, LOL! I haven't got into it with you for awhile, but I have to say that you have now taken over this site as the biggest ahole there is. You can put up more BS on just about anything than any ten guys combined on these Forums! If anybody thinks that it's cool to have a bunch of money to go out and have to be guided to shoot a friggin deer on the winter range, they have a screw or two loose in their brain if they have a brain at all! Hunting is not about paying tons of money for your GD trophy by hiring a squad of finders and guides that then lead you by the pecker and say: "There he is, shoot him!". This late season hunting on the winter range is a bunch of crap! Hunting is going out and earning it with time spent in the field and not by how much you make for a living and buying it like that guy did. If your tag goes unfilled, then so be it and go on with life. Getting these big animals like this guy did sucks and even if I were a millionaire I would not be partaking in trophy hunting like that. Class warfare my azz! All we're talking about is hunting an animal ethically, although I hate to use that word. Look at how many pictures are put up of giant bucks on the winter range or even in close proxomity to dwellings in the cities. Killing them there IMHO is pathetic!!! PS: That post by Gunnie that you agreed with is running a close second to your BS!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-12
>AT 08:30?AM (MST)
>
>Tristate strikes again, LOL! I
>haven't got into it with
>you for awhile, but I
>have to say that you
>have now taken over this
>site as the biggest ahole
>there is. You can
>put up more BS on
>just about anything than any
>ten guys combined on these
>Forums! If anybody thinks
>that it's cool to have
>a bunch of money to
>go out and have to
>be guided to shoot a
>friggin deer on the winter
>range, they have a screw
>or two loose in their
>brain if they have a
>brain at all! Hunting
>is not about paying tons
>of money for your GD
>trophy by hiring a squad
>of finders and guides that
>then lead you by the
>pecker and say: "There he
>is, shoot him!". This
>late season hunting on the
>winter range is a bunch
>of crap! Hunting is
>going out and earning it
>with time spent in the
>field and not by how
>much you make for a
>living and buying it like
>that guy did. If your
>tag goes unfilled, then so
>be it and go on
>with life. Getting these
>big animals like this guy
>did sucks and even if
>I were a millionaire I
>would not be partaking in
>trophy hunting like that.
>Class warfare my azz! All
>we're talking about is hunting
>an animal ethically, although I
>hate to use that word.
> Look at how many
>pictures are put up of
>giant bucks on the winter
>range or even in close
>proxomity to dwellings in the
>cities. Killing them there
>IMHO is pathetic!!! PS:
> That post by Gunnie
>that you agreed with is
>running a close second to
>your BS!


+ 1
 
"If anybody thinks that it's cool to have a bunch of money to go out and have to be guided to shoot a friggin deer on the winter range, they have a screw or two loose in their brain if they have a brain at all!"


COOL????? COOL??????? How old are you boy? You actually sit around and worry who is cool and who isn't, and what makes people cool???????? Are you kidding me? Please turn in your man card and exile yourself to the "Glee" fanclub website.
 
The funny thing is, people think hiring a company and their bounty hunters to scour a whole state, and call you when they find a deer is the same as traditional guiding/outfitting.
 
I could unstand why you would be offended,I probably struck a nerve, maybe you feel guilty for all the guides youve paid to hold your hand while you shot trophy game.
What makes you think I cant afford to buy a trophy buck?
Dumb AZZ coments like "You would do the same dang thing if you had the $$ puts the D in dumbazz,
America is the greatest nation on earth.
Just don think theres much sport in the way some hunt, seems to be all about money money money.
Some occasions I can see using a guide, but for a trophy buck in the middle of the winter? The traditional sport of hunting is changing, Where trophy bucks are taking with $$$ sold to the highest bidder, If thats the kind of hunting you want for you kids I feel bad for you, hopefully your rich daddy left enough for your grandkids to buy trophy deer.
 
Well said 4000fps. Traditional outfitter/guide relationship your hunting along with the guide. You work hard, put in the miles and your taking your chance at success.

That's not really true for these special hunts. IMO you are basically purchasing a trophy, much like an estate hunt. Hell, in the case of sheep, outfitters are selling a specific animal. Big ram, we think he'll go 202 and 1/4, look at the pictures. I feel these hunts are bad for the sport, and I don't know why we can't debate the issue without the personal attacks.

If I happen to win the power ball next week, maybe I would start buying Governor's tags, but I sure as hell will not be hiring a posse of guides to find me a trophy.
 
No Jerry, its like you just ran a marathon and can't understand why Nascar drivers get a sponsorship deal when you should be thinking about the joy of running the race instead of who gets ribbons. If you have lost touch with your sport this badly, and someone else's success defines your role in the sport, it is time for you to find something else to do.

What kind of nascar racing you have been watching?
There is only one driver, also more than one car,the drivers pay entry fees, trophy is not givin to the highest bidder,

Before you get your panties in a bunch, What kind of racer are you the one who buys the trophy or earns it?? I think we both already know the answer
 
"America is the greatest nation on earth."

Thats right. It was formed on capitolism, not a bunch of Socialist ideas where all hunters must be restricted to using the same amount of money to hunt deer.

"Just don think theres much sport in the way some hunt, seems to be all about money money money."

Awesome!. Hunting is a lot of different things to a lot of different people. The arguement could be the same for how you hunt. Your on a computer that cost money powered by electricity that costs money so you can talk about hunting that costs money. It costs money to go hunting no matter how you do it. Gas, time off work, a deer tag, equipment, all costs money. But I guess thats righteous money because its the amount you feel every one should pay.

" Some occasions I can see using a guide, but for a trophy buck in the middle of the winter?"

Well thanks for your gracious permission. Any other self-righteous proclomations today?

" The traditional sport of hunting is changing,"

Yes! It is always changing. It changes constantly because whether you like it or not it is business, and business is dynamic. You better be ready to change with it or you get left in the dust.

" Where trophy bucks are taking with $$$ sold to the highest bidder, If thats the kind of hunting you want for you kids I feel bad for you, hopefully your rich daddy left enough for your grandkids to buy trophy deer."

My daddy didn't leave enough money for my kids trophy deer hunts, but I am going to make sure they are educated and competitive so they can face the real world, make their own money, and pass your kids up who are sitting around being titty babies whining about money because thats all their dady could pass to them.
 
Before you get your panties in a bunch, What kind of racer are you the one who buys the trophy or earns it?? I think we both already know the answer

I am whatever you want to paint me as. I have killed big deer with a guided/purchased hunt. I have also killed big deer with self guided and on my own. But you want to know the real difference between me and you, boy? I don't base my hunting satisfaction on other peoples deer, or the amount of money they spend when they do it. Or whether I kill a deer at all. I hunt for my own personal enjoyment and I don't feel I need to look down my nose at other hunters/killers to make myself feel better about my own shortcomings.
 
Tristate-
It is not class warfare. I know plenty of rich hunters who actually get what hunting is all about. They would never need a bunch of baby sitters to hold there hand to shoot a buck and would not think about doing it on the winter range out of season.
I also am not against someone being guided during the regular hunting seasons on public or private land.
After all if the Mossback crew was so good they would have found this buck during the hunting seasons we all hunt instead of waiting till now. Think about that for a second.

The argument that it is only one or two deer a year crap is laughable....Look at where Utah is right now. Things continue as they are and suddenly only a select group get to "fathead" inline before anyone else because they think they are more entitled to "public" resources more than others.
I would not choose to shoot a buck on winter range out of season because it would offer no fair chase and sport. Shooting fish in a barrel. No pride in accomplishment.....You would think the ones who buy these tags and who earned the wealth they have would know something about that.

Like I have said before if "shoots" like these are to take place put a box on every hunters application for an extra buck or two for a shot at drawing the tag. It would raise more money for the state than a few who take joy in stealing from everyone else.
I would not be interested but along with others would accept that everyone that was had a chance. After all the animals are managed by the state for the "public", not greedy self interests.

I realize talking to you is indeed like talking to my three year old and I am not gonna change your mind on anything. After all you have only been on this site to cheerlead the idea of stealing of public resources as acceptable.
Not once have I seen you congratulate the young or the old actual hunters on here that hunt during regular seasons.....Its all been SFW, Mossback and Fathead cheerleading.
Maybe for Christmas you will get a Mossback non action figure for you dedication.
Best,
Jerry
 
Tri, you already stated you'd be friends with a murderer so none of us are entirely shocked when you decide to make a poacher your girlfriend.
 
"Tri, you already stated you'd be friends with a murderer so none of us are entirely shocked when you decide to make a poacher your girlfriend."


I have absolutely no clue what this post means or what relevance it has to this thread, but the idea of a hot poaching chic is HOOOOOOOT.
 
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Just to clarify, they did kill this buck during the season TheKnack.
Also, while the hunter did have the help of guides (I believe two), he did spend 16 days hunting. After locating the buck pictured above, Mike said it took them 4-1/2 days to get it done.

The fact is, the state of Colorado has a season that runs from Sept. 1 to Dec. 31, just as they have many other seasons. It just so happens that only 4 people get to hunt that season. The conversation about killing a deer on the winter range extends far beyond governor tag seasons. Heck, during a 3rd and 4th season, most (possibly all) deer are on their winter range, AND RUTTING!!! Most who have experience hunting Colorado know this.

Killing big bucks during the rut (during the 3rd and 4th season) is just as easy, if not easier, than killing them in December. Most people with experience in the field during these times know this.
I think the argument about "how easy it is" and how it's like shooting fish in a barrel is a bit weak.
The fact is, whether it's in November during a 3rd or 4th season or in December, "killing" a deer with a high powered rifle isn't the big challenge, finding one is. That's the challenge in December also.

TheKnack, you are incorrect thinking that a raffle or an "an extra buck or two for a shot at drawing the tag" would raise more money than auctioning the tag. Take a look at all history of autcion tags versus raffle and/or sportsmans tags and you'll see that the auction tag brings far more money with far less overhead. Whether it's good or bad is each persons opinion, I'm just letting you know that you thinking that a drawing would raise more money, is incorrect. They don't auction the tags to give a rich guy the advantaged, they auction the tags to raise the most money. If raffling a tag raised more money, they would raffle the tags.

Believe me, when it came to the Antelope Island hunt in Utah, that is exactly what I wanted, all tags to go in a drawing rather than any be auctioned, but in the end, the park wanted the money and auction tags are part of the deal.

Now, I'm not defending auction tags, gov. tags, conservation tags, or even landowner tags here. I have my opinions on them all. I'm simply hoping you dig a bit deeper before making some comments. TheKnack, I like you buddy. I'm responding to your post because of that.

As far as all you guys jumping on this dude above for hiring a guide, I think it's pretty crappy of you. I've never used a guide, haven't used a travel agent, don't use another to do my taxes, didn't need to hire a person to build my garage, didn't need to hire anyone to rebuild the engine in my ATV, don't need to hire anyone to winterize my boat, and didn't need to hire anyone to build this website. The list goes on. Wouldn't it be pretty pathetic if I sat here putting people who do have to hire someone for those services down? That's exactly how you all sound. Whoopy doo that YOU don't need to hire a guide. Good for you, but obviously the guy above wanted to. That doesn't make him anything less than you.
Next time you pay for a service, think about how other people are on a website somewhere talking about what a loser you are for doing so.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Hey, I responded to it!!!! That puts me Waaaaay below the point of dumb. LOL

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Keep putting up your stupid posts as always Tristate because it just strengthens what I stated in mine. Next you'll argue that the sun is the moon and vice versa! You sure you aren't related or are DP because your concept is identical to his in that if you have the money you can buy anything you want, including big deer, and to hell with us average Joes!!! Going on a traditional guided hunt is one thing and I have no problem with them. However, this idea of big dollar tags and hiring a posse to scour an entire state to then lead you to the animal on an out of season hunt so you can kill it is absolutely not what hunting is all about. I would imagine these types keep you in business though. Carry on with some more comeback BS!!!
 
Yeah, laying on the couch, scratching your nuts, watching ESPN and waiting for the phone to ring is not considered hunting. Nevermind if there is a "guide" sexting you buck pics.
 
4-People get to hunt from Sept-1-the end of December. Hardly sounds like a regular season for 99.999% of us.
Nobody answered the question about why these bucks cannot be killed during regular hunting seasons if the Mossback crew is so great....Wonder why?

Actually putting a (box) on an application would require less overhead than pimping the tags to a select few and would raise more money. It will not be done because high profile guides would cry about losing there highest paying clients....They have no regard or care about throwing the masses aside as long as they get the almighty dollar.
Stepping ahead of the line is all that is important to these individuals and then they wonder why everyone gets pissed off.

There are those that care about our future and the rights we "all" have and then there are those that think only of themselves.
Best,
Jerry
 
"Tristate-
It is not class warfare. I know plenty of rich hunters who actually get what hunting is all about."

Yes, it is. I know of a bunch of really rich a-holes who says they should take money from the rich and redistribute it to poor and they call it paying a fair share. You probably voted for them and one is in the whitehouse now. Its still class warfare.


"They would never need a bunch of baby sitters to hold there hand to shoot a buck and would not think about doing it on the winter range out of season."

Excellent. They can keep hunting the way they see fit and other people can hunt the way they see fit. Neither side needs to be a bunch of self-righteous idiots telling the other side how they must hunt.

"I also am not against someone being guided during the regular "hunting seasons on public or private land.
After all if the Mossback crew was so good they would have found this buck during the hunting seasons we all hunt instead of waiting till now. Think about that for a second."

Mossback does kill some big deer in the regular seasons. Did it ever occur to you that they didn't decide the time to hunt but the client did. Think about that for a second.

"The argument that it is only one or two deer a year crap is laughable....Look at where Utah is right now. Things continue as they are and suddenly only a select group get to "fathead" inline before anyone else because they think they are more entitled to "public" resources more than others."

I think it should be several thousand deer a year. You have just as much opportunity to those deer tags as anybody. All it takes is money. You aren't any more entitled to decide how tags are distributed either so quit thinking you need to whine about how a very small minority group got theirs.

"I would not choose to shoot a buck on winter range out of season because it would offer no fair chase and sport. Shooting fish in a barrel. No pride in accomplishment.....You would think the ones who buy these tags and who earned the wealth they have would know something about that."

The go hunt deer the way you want to hunt deer, because not a single person is saying you shouldn't but shut your hole next time you think your way is the only way and everyone should dance like they are your trained monkeys.

"Like I have said before if "shoots" like these are to take place put a box on every hunters application for an extra buck or two for a shot at drawing the tag. It would raise more money for the state than a few who take joy in stealing from everyone else."

Incorrect the sale of a single governors tag makes a lot more money than drawing for the tag.

"I would not be interested but along with others would accept that everyone that was had a chance. After all the animals are managed by the state for the "public", not greedy self interests."

Everyone does have a chance now. You just don't want to include yourself in out competing other people and actually earning the money and raising your hand at an auction. The state has never told anyone they can't attend the auction of these tags. Wimpy peasants who are happier whining about evil rich people in a silly circle of class warfare tell themselves they can't be included in these auctions.

"I realize talking to you is indeed like talking to my three year old and I am not gonna change your mind on anything. After all you have only been on this site to cheerlead the idea of stealing of public resources as acceptable.
Not once have I seen you congratulate the young or the old actual hunters on here that hunt during regular seasons.....Its all been SFW, Mossback and Fathead cheerleading.
Maybe for Christmas you will get a Mossback non action figure for you dedication.
Best,
Jerry"

Your three year old sounds like a great kid. Must get his brains from mom. Now you want to whine about public resources being "stolen". How does someone steal something from themself?????

As for congratulating hunters here, I guess you have realized how weak your arguement is and you are left pulling this out. I congratulate lots of people here. I don't ask them how old they are so I can't tell if they are little kids or old. As for who I cheerlead for I have news for you. I have never been a member of SFW. I have never been a customer of Mossback. I do have a fatter than normal head but thats genetic. I speak here when I see people being dumb regardless of what side they are on.
 
"4-People get to hunt from Sept-1-the end of December. Hardly sounds like a regular season for 99.999% of us."

Me and two friends were hunting mule deer about the same time as this deer got killed. Then my brother and a friend were hunting the week after that. Plus two of my customers hunted that same week. I had customers hunt back in September too. Just because you didn't go hunting in December doesn't mean 99.999% of us can't either.

"Nobody answered the question about why these bucks cannot be killed during regular hunting seasons if the Mossback crew is so great....Wonder why?"

I did. Clean your glasses and read. Did it ever occur to you that the client decides when to hunt???????

"Actually putting a (box) on an application would require less overhead than pimping the tags to a select few and would raise more money."

I want some of what your smoking.

"It will not be done because high profile guides would cry about losing there highest paying clients....They have no regard or care about throwing the masses aside as long as they get the almighty dollar."

Their customers are the masses. No company I know excludes anyone from hiring them. That is a giant failure of a business model. Have you ever run a business? If you did, at what point did you decide it was a good idea to alienate the masses???
Stepping ahead of the line is all that is important to these individuals and then they wonder why everyone gets pissed off.

"There are those that care about our future and the rights we "all" have and then there are those that think only of themselves.
Best,
Jerry"

And then there are those who have lost site of the facts of life and think they need to change the world with classwarfare and whining. They are called anti-hunters and you have become one of them.
 
"Do a little homework and do a search on ole Tristate...Speaks LOUDER than words. "

If its true, dirty, and the part of the reputation I have earned why don't you grow up be a man and say it.
 
I'd take the whole argument a step further and say no guide who is being compensated in any fashion should be able to exploit public land for their own gain, PERIOD! "For Profit" guides should be stuck to private land hunts only!!!!!!! It's BS that these people make money exploiting what's not theirs to begin with!
 
"I'd take the whole argument a step further and say no guide who is being compensated in any fashion should be able to exploit public land for their own gain, PERIOD! "For Profit" guides should be stuck to private land hunts only!!!!!!! It's BS that these people make money exploiting what's not theirs to begin with!"


IT IS THEIRS! Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean suddenly you get to take away their rights. Every time you go hunting YOU are exploiting a public resource for your own gain. What are you going to do when an anti-hunter decides since YOU do that then YOU aren't part of the public trust anymore. Just because they don't like YOU! Its BS that you have lost sight of that.
 
But, but...think of all the money that tag raised. God knows the parks and wildlife dept could use more toilet paper for their campgrounds.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-12 AT 03:28PM (MST)[p]Even funnier when these "guides/outfitters" aren't even from Colorado, and do not have an outfitter's license here. Hence the reason they have to find some local hillbilly outfitter to piggyback off of to keep it legal.
 
>Even funnier when these "guides/outfitters" aren't
>even from Colorado, and do
>not have an outfitter's license
>here. Hence the reason they
>have to find some local
>hillbilly outfitter to piggyback off
>of to keep it legal.
>

Exactly! The guy is not even from Colorado! "It is theirs!" Lol. BS!!!!!!!!!!
 
OK TheKnack, you win. Let's just ignore all historical data and research that proves that auctioning a tag raises more money than a raffle or draw. Your little "(box)" is the answer. You win!!! Take it to the capital, tell them you said so and all data and research is wrong. Make it happen.... you can do it!

I give up trying to talk. I'll get out of your way and let you go on with your rant that is backed with nothing.

Mossback owns the world. CDOW could easily raise more money with the "(box)", but Mossback won't allow it. Every state in the Union calls Doyle before they make any decisions concerning wildlife, just to make sure he and his clients will be happy. I heard he actually did "cry" once, and that's how the governor tag penguin hunt got started in Florida. Oh, the power he has.

As for your answer on Mossback and killing a governor tag buck during the regular season.......Brownlee did last year. He killed it in October during the 2nd. It was the buck he was looking for that he had found the previous winter. He had a tag, so he killed it. So to answer your question....YEP, the Mossback crew can find bucks during the regular season, they just kill um themselves sometimes.

Again, I'm particularly FOR governor tags, but facts are facts. Doesn't matter how much we try to ignore them, they still exist.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
"But, but...think of all the money that tag raised. God knows the parks and wildlife dept could use more toilet paper for their campgrounds."

Thats right. Maybe they could use it to pay wardens overtime and they catch more poachers. Maybe they can use it to battle USFWS when they try and shove wolves down your throat. Maybe they can use it to rebuild a wetland for duck hunting. Maybe it will offset them having to jack up over the counter tag prices for one more year. Just think of all that toilet paper......
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-12 AT 04:16PM (MST)[p]Brian, If you are embarrased that you two are friends, then maybe you should choose new friends. Don't act like you aren't. i witnessed you two glassing from the same rock this past fall.
 
That must mean I know what I'm talking about. I hope you weren't touching yourself as you watched.....LOL

You should have been looking for deer. Good thing that you were watching me while I was hunting. Had you been looking for deer, maybe my monster would be on your wall!!! hehehe
You guys are way too obessed with this whole watching other people thing. Go hunting dude!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 

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