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With this new part of the rule:
"The board also voted to prohibit the sale or purchase of trail camera footage or data to take, attempt to take, or aid in the take or attempted take of big game animals. That includes images, location information, time and date of the footage and any other data that could aid in the harvest or attempted take of big game."
Does it mean that guides and other can no longer use cam footage in advertising?
 
mtnrunner260 said:
With this new part of the rule:
"The board also voted to prohibit the sale or purchase of trail camera footage or data to take, attempt to take, or aid in the take or attempted take of big game animals. That includes images, location information, time and date of the footage and any other data that could aid in the harvest or attempted take of big game."
Does it mean that guides and other can no longer use cam footage in advertising?
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Sounds like.

The next one will be the "hush rule". You won't be allowed to tell anyone what you know about an animals patterns or habits...
 
hornkiller said:
It's not going to stop people from using cams!
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So many of these laws are 99.9% unenforceable.
There's not enough man power to come close to it. Their only option is to scare people into compliance by handing down crazy punishments, which would never stick in court anyway.
 
With sportsmen today, I would never leave one out there past July. It would be demolished for sure. Unenforceable, I think not. It even leaves summer months for the DWR(and others) to collect data for counting predators vs deer and elk. Now for a little more action on other changes. Good job Wildlife Board.
 
Do you really think the biggest outfitters will continue using them and chance getting caught and losing their outfitting and land use permits?

I can immediately think of one who won't care about laws.......watch and see.
 
slamdunk said:
Do you really think the biggest outfitters will continue using them and chance getting caught and losing their outfitting and land use permits?

I can immediately think of one who won't care about laws.......watch and see.
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They definitely won’t be labeling them WLH in sharpie anymore that is for dang sure. Whether they stop placing them remains to be seen.
 
I don't read that as preventing an outfitter from putting the preseason pics in their social media or advertising. I do believe it would prevent somebody from using trail cams to sell info to an outfitter for a Finders Fee.

The "unenforceable" line never makes sense to me. Hunters should obey wildlife laws because it's the right thing to do... not because they're afraid of a warden pulling up.
 
I Know where a Handful of Cams are that I Don't Think Have Been checked in several Years!

We'll See!

Come about Sept 1st there Might Be a Few Removed From Public Land!

I Do believe a few of them were Forgot about!

Or maybe somebody Sayin F'It,I'm Not Burning 50.00 Worth of Fuel To Retrieve them!

The Mini/Almost Invisible Cams That will Supersede these old Dinosaur Sized Cams Should Be out soon!
 
We will see. Bet you $100 not a single guide will post pics after July 31.

I'm fact, I'll get Founder to do a trail cam contest. All pics after July 31 can be entered to win something. Let's see all the brave guys enter it, after all there won't be enforcement.

It is comical though. Same guys will spend hours telling everyone "trail cams don't help kill animals". Then the second they get banned, those same dudes are squealing.
 
I'd Guess The Ones That Will Keep Running Cams in to the Closed Season Won't Be As Apt To Have Their Names on the Cams?

But?

If We Find One That Does Have a Name On It During the Closed Season?

Do We:

1- Turn it in to Authorities To Wait For Nothing To Happen?

2- Shoot it/Destroy it?

3- Try & Recover it?

4- Recover it & Post it on Social Media?

5- List in in the MM Classifieds for a NOMINAL F'N FEE?

Asking for a Friend From Farmington!
 
slamdunk said:
Do you really think the biggest outfitters will continue using them and chance getting caught and losing their outfitting and land use permits?

I can immediately think of one who won't care about laws.......watch and see.
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They will use them long enough to know where to place Steven, Patrick, Tyler, Nephi, and Kasey to keep an eye on "Squiggle-Horn", "Toad", or "whatever other stupid name you can come up with".
 
elkassassin said:
I'd Guess The Ones That Will Keep Running Cams in to the Closed Season Won't Be As Apt To Have Their Names on the Cams?

But?

If We Find One That Does Have a Name On It During the Closed Season?

Do We:

1- Turn it in to Authorities To Wait For Nothing To Happen?

2- Shoot it/Destroy it?

3- Try & Recover it?

4- Recover it & Post it on Social Media?

5- List in in the MM Classifieds for a NOMINAL F'N FEE?

Asking for a Friend From Farmington!
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#2&5
 
hornkiller said:
It's not going to stop people from using cams!
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Yes your right hornkiller but I think you will find the public/ hunters will keep the DNR busy
I think you will find people will turn in the camera and location to the DNR and they will be removed and if they are not removed by the DNR they will be removed by other hunters or destroyed.
Because nobody can do anything about it if they do get damaged or stolen after July 31 you would be a fool if you posted your camera got stolen or damaged on social media
 
The intent behind this is to not crowd areas with too many horn-porners during hunting seasons. Nothing is more aggravating than to have some joker walking in to pull pics off a camera while you're in the process of putting on a stalk, or while you're waiting for a shot opportunity. And then there is the safety issue as well.

If you know a certain animal is in a certain area, they'll likely still be there one month after you have to pull your camera.
 
roadrunner said:
The intent behind this is to not crowd areas with too many horn-porners during hunting seasons. Nothing is more aggravating than to have some joker walking in to pull pics off a camera while you're in the process of putting on a stalk, or while you're waiting for a shot opportunity. And then there is the safety issue as well.

If you know a certain animal is in a certain area, they'll likely still be there one month after you have to pull your camera.
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We all know that animals often change their habits once hunting season starts and become harder to locate. We also all know that animals often relocate once more people start showing up in their home range.

The camera rule helps that animal to be able to move locations and become nocturnal without being seen by technology. If a hunter is committed, lucky, and skilled enough to locate the animal during season... then that's just part of the game. But at least it's a little more fair.
 
grizzly said:
We all know that animals often change their habits once hunting season starts and become harder to locate. We also all know that animals often relocate once more people start showing up in their home range.

The camera rule helps that animal to be able to move locations and become nocturnal without being seen by technology. If a hunter is committed, lucky, and skilled enough to locate the animal during season... then that's just part of the game. But at least it's a little more fair.
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Well said
 
mtnrunner260 said:
With this new part of the rule:
"The board also voted to prohibit the sale or purchase of trail camera footage or data to take, attempt to take, or aid in the take or attempted take of big game animals. That includes images, location information, time and date of the footage and any other data that could aid in the harvest or attempted take of big game."
Does it mean that guides and other can no longer use cam footage in advertising?
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This is what happened in AZ when they were banned there. Livestock men and other people who were still allowed the use of trail cameras, started charging people to see what they had.
 
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The wildlife board voted to prohibit all trail cameras (including both non-handheld transmitting and non-transmitting devices) in the harvest or to aid in the harvest of big game between July 31 and Dec. 31.

What everyone fails to understand is the wording of the actual law. If the law passes with the above wording, trail cams are only prohibited if your intent is to harvest a big game animal or be aided in that harvest.

If you are not hunting where you’re trail cameras are, then you would not be in violation of this law. This wording does not give law enforcement probable cause to take action unless they have evidence that 1st the camera belongs to the person with the tag. That’s going to be very difficult to prove in court.

Second, for all those out there that intend to break or steal cameras on August 1st, you better think twice before doing so. You have no idea that the camera on the mountain belongs to a hunter with a tag in the area or just someone attempting to get pictures of wildlife, which is not illegal according to the wording of the law. Only hunters with a tag cannot use a camera during the closed season.
 
shootem said:
The wildlife board voted to prohibit all trail cameras (including both non-handheld transmitting and non-transmitting devices) in the harvest or to aid in the harvest of big game between July 31 and Dec. 31.

What everyone fails to understand is the wording of the actual law. If the law passes with the above wording, trail cams are only prohibited if your intent is to harvest a big game animal or be aided in that harvest.

If you are not hunting where you’re trail cameras are, then you would not be in violation of this law. This wording does not give law enforcement probable cause to take action unless they have evidence that 1st the camera belongs to the person with the tag. That’s going to be very difficult to prove in court.

Second, for all those out there that intend to break or steal cameras on August 1st, you better think twice before doing so. You have no idea that the camera on the mountain belongs to a hunter with a tag in the area or just someone attempting to get pictures of wildlife, which is not illegal according to the wording of the law. Only hunters with a tag cannot use a camera during the closed season.
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Bingo!! This move by the Wildlife Board is only going to cause ugly confrontations between "recreationists" and a headache for law enforcement. The guy with the tag will have his "buddy" set and leave cameras.
 
elkhunterUT said:
Bingo!! This move by the Wildlife Board is only going to cause ugly confrontations between "recreationists" and a headache for law enforcement. The guy with the tag will have his "buddy" set and leave cameras.
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There will be a handful of people testing their bravery with the laws yes, but the other 90% is where the positive impact will be.

Just like fishing at strawberry and the slot limit.....a small percentage of people will always abuse it, but still not impact it.
 
slamdunk said:
There will be a handful of people testing their bravery with the laws yes, but the other 90% is where the positive impact will be.

Just like fishing at strawberry and the slot limit.....a small percentage of people will always abuse it, but still not impact it.
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This has nothing to do with abuse. Either the law is broken or it’s not. Pretty simple concept.
 
The wildlife board voted to prohibit all trail cameras (including both non-handheld transmitting and non-transmitting devices) in the harvest or to aid in the harvest of big game between July 31 and Dec. 31. A trail camera is defined as a device that is not held or manually operated by a person and is used to capture images, video or location data of wildlife and uses heat or motion to trigger the device. This new rule does not apply to government or educational organizations gathering wildlife information, private landowners who are monitoring their property for trespass or active agricultural operations, or to cities involved in the Urban Deer Program. However, trail cameras on private property cannot be used to help in the harvest of big game between July 31 and Dec 31.

I’m no lawyer but vanilla might be able to help us on this
So the way I see the wording in this game cameras can only be in the field for government and live stock user it’s the way they worded it….after July 31 it doesn’t say any other cameras can be out for sight seeing or just taking pics of wildlife
 
Elkslayer2015 said:
The wildlife board voted to prohibit all trail cameras (including both non-handheld transmitting and non-transmitting devices) in the harvest or to aid in the harvest of big game between July 31 and Dec. 31. A trail camera is defined as a device that is not held or manually operated by a person and is used to capture images, video or location data of wildlife and uses heat or motion to trigger the device. This new rule does not apply to government or educational organizations gathering wildlife information, private landowners who are monitoring their property for trespass or active agricultural operations, or to cities involved in the Urban Deer Program. However, trail cameras on private property cannot be used to help in the harvest of big game between July 31 and Dec 31.

I’m no lawyer but vanilla might be able to help us on this
So the way I see the wording in this game cameras can only be in the field for government and live stock user it’s the way they worded it….after July 31 it doesn’t say any other cameras can be out for sight seeing or just taking pics of wildlife
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Exactly! The wording is not there. The wording must be specific to the law. If it’s not there, then there is no law broken.

If the wording passes as is, then only someone with a tag would be in violation if they have a camera during the closed season.
 
elkhunterUT said:
The guy with the tag will have his "buddy" set and leave cameras.
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I believe that would still be illegal if the "buddy" was there to "aid" (the word in the law) in the hunt.

Notice the DWR doesn't say "tag holder", it says it's illegal to use trail cameras to "harvest or to aid in the harvest of big game."

If you have a San Juan tag and I'm down there to help you, I can't put out a camera because it would be to "aid" in the take of big game.

Likewise, if I captured a pic in a unit that I didn't have a tag for but I knew you did have a tag, I could not call you and tell you I found big deer in your unit. At that point, I used a camera to aid in the harvest of a big game animal.
 
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grizzly said:
It's sad to me how many people I have heard that are looking for the ways a trail camera law can be exploited rather than saying they're going to simply remove their cameras by August 1st to be law-abiding hunters.
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FREAKING EXACTLY.

2days in and guys are feverishly looking for the grey area.

If your looking for the grey area, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. YOU ARE THE REASON FIR THESE LAWS TO START WITH.

You are the reason the code books are inches thick.

Carry a hatchet. Smash every cam on the MTN after the 31st.

GO ahead and tell the DWR you weren't really hunting, you were helping a buddy.

I just read a dozen posts about "impossible to enforce", I guess that is going to have to cut both ways.
 
hossblur said:
FREAKING EXACTLY.

2days in and guys are feverishly looking for the grey area.

If your looking for the grey area, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. YOU ARE THE REASON FIR THESE LAWS TO START WITH.

You are the reason the code books are inches thick.

Carry a hatchet. Smash every cam on the MTN after the 31st.

GO ahead and tell the DWR you weren't really hunting, you were helping a buddy.

I just read a dozen posts about "impossible to enforce", I guess that is going to have to cut both ways.
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Did you think it would be any different with this law? That is exactly what happens in these instances and why it is a waste of time - a stupid law is passed and guys like you, grizzly and I decide to abide by it, but there are many many others that will test it and push the gray area to its limits. The good guys get screwed. I guarantee you there will be "buddies" running cameras that will claim no affiliation to the tag holder. How could you prove otherwise??

To be clear - I only own 4 cameras and rarely use them. I do fine without cameras and this won't impact me personally - it will not be me in this scenario, but you are crazy and very naive if you don't believe this is going to happen. It will be a mess in the woods with the rule followers and non compliers confronting each other.
 
grizzly said:
It's sad to me how many people I have heard that are looking for the ways a trail camera law can be exploited rather than saying they're going to simply remove their cameras by August 1st to be law-abiding hunters.
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Right?

It's almost like the use of cameras does actually help in the harvest of big game animals?

Similar to when the bait was banned.

Neither help at all, right?
 
hornkiller said:
Most will use a pocket knife, pistol, or 12gauge! Personally I like a 12gauge.
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I hunt in an Urban area that is kind of Hoodie. Few years ago someone smashed my camera up and ripped it off the tree. Bad for them they did not take out the card. When I pulled it I got a pic of this teenage shooting my camera with a pistol. He ended up living down the block from the property owner. Our visit to his house did not end well for him. I need to dig that pic up its pretty crazy.
 
shootem said:
Exactly! The wording is not there. The wording must be specific to the law. If it’s not there, then there is no law broken.

If the wording passes as is, then only someone with a tag would be in violation if they have a camera during the closed season.
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Its not that simple…They would only be in violation if the trail cam aids in the harvest of big game. What if a guy has a tag and a camera out, but doesnt hunt in the general area where his camera is? How far away does a hunter have to be from thier trail cam so as to not break the law of aiding in the harvest of big game? Common sense could apply here, but its left to interpretation? Is a canyon away or the next drainage away sufficient? There are so many sides to this. What if you have a deer tag but are using trail cams as recreation only to scout for elk? The only line that is drawn in the sand here is if the trail cam aids in the harvest.
 
hossblur said:
It is comical though. Same guys will spend hours telling everyone "trail cams don't help kill animals". Then the second they get banned, those same dudes are squealing.
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I still don’t think cameras help kill very many animals. Or at least I believe there are significantly more impactful technology that plays a much bigger role in harvesting animals. Did cameras get banned or did they just make a season for them? Be careful what you spread on the Internet. Some people are already speaking out to go collect/damage cameras during the lawful season.
 
I happen to have 2 brand new stealth cam cell cams with solar panels for sale… who’s in??
 
Bans on these types of things are actually enforced very well- by sportsmen. There are few, if any, other groups who hold one another accountable like sportsmen. Off road laws, poaching laws, shed hunting laws, etc... are all 'unenforceable', until the rest of us get involved.
 
So my thoughts on this.

If you guys read other forums it blows my mind how many fellow hunters are already trying to find loop holes and saying it’s not enforceable…
If trail cameras don’t help harvest big game animals then why are you complaining and finding ways around it….

I’ve hunted my unit for 25 years I know where every water source is and almost every wallow is.
That said everyone of mine are marked on onX and most of the areas I run cameras on there are 4 or five cameras on that same spot.
You guys would be shocked on how many cameras that are in a 20 square mile area every one of those cameras are hunters.

So all you hunters that think it’s not enforceable and you will get away with it think again sportsman’s will take control of this.
yes there will be damaged cameras

yes there will be cameras removed or stolen or you will see them turned in to the DNR
Or Hunters will send a location on the trail cameras on onX to the DNR.

So it’s pretty simple I will pull my cameras before July 31 because it’s the law and I know I wouldn’t want to get accused of using them and waist my time and tax payers money on a investigation.

Another thing have you never heard of anyone on here or other forums say my wildlife camera got stolen I use trail cameras just for pictures?
 
If someone has been legally granted a tag to harvest an animal, why does anyone care how effective they are in harvesting that animal assuming things are done legally and ethically?

Isn't that the objective?

You could argue that too many animals are being killed, but that isn't a "harvest method" issue, that is a tag # quota setting issue and an overall herd # issue which is where the real problem is in this state and in others.
 
elkhunterUT said:
If someone has been legally granted a tag to harvest an animal, why does anyone care how effective they are in harvesting that animal assuming things are done legally and ethically?

Isn't that the objective?

You could argue that too many animals are being killed, but that isn't a "harvest method" issue, that is a tag # quota setting issue and an overall herd # issue which is where the real problem is in this state and in others.
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You are missing the point.

Tags are allocated far and above the objectives because of the success rates.
If an animal was harvested for every tag given, there wouldn't be a buck left in the state.
 
southernutahhunter said:
Those who think this was at least a step in the right direction should email those four and thank them.
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You're right. But I'm going to email them ALL.

Can anybody tell us which four voted in favor so I don't have to go watch the video all the way through looking for the actual vote?
 
slamdunk said:
You are missing the point.

Tags are allocated far and above the objectives because of the success rates.
If an animal was harvested for every tag given, there wouldn't be a buck left in the state.
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And back in 2012 when the DWR shoved option 2 down our throats, they promised to manage general season deer units on a unit by unit basis. They have done a piss poor job of managing anything to this day. They have not cut tag numbers in units that are under objective like they said they would. A good example of this is the Cache unit where they issue more tags than there are deer on the entire unit. Does that sound like good management practice to you?

I think what pisses a lot of people off about the trail cam ban is that it will do nothing to solve the true problems. Why make a stupid law if it doesn’t help?
 
Step in the right direction, yeah BS! They really wanna take a step in the right direction they would not issue more tags on a given unit than there are deer let a lone bucks.
 
shootem said:
And back in 2012 when the DWR shoved option 2 down our throats, they promised to manage general season deer units on a unit by unit basis. They have done a piss poor job of managing anything to this day. They have not cut tag numbers in units that are under objective like they said they would. A good example of this is the Cache unit where they issue more tags than there are deer on the entire unit. Does that sound like good management practice to you?

I think what pisses a lot of people off about the trail cam ban is that it will do nothing to solve the true problems. Why make a stupid law if it doesn’t help?
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Again, and for the 10,000th time......these restrictions AREN'T being put into place to bring deer herds back.
 
slamdunk said:
You are missing the point.

Tags are allocated far and above the objectives because of the success rates.
If an animal was harvested for every tag given, there wouldn't be a buck left in the state.
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I'm with @elkhunterUT on this one. If tags are allocated far and above then we need to push them to sell less tags... There is a happy medium between quality and opportunity. Im willing to wait my turn and I am not an old man who has had my fun. You know what too much opportunity looks like? Rifle hunting in the Uintas. Its sooooo crowded and borderline dangerous with that many people up there blasting away. Its gotten to be not even fun. The archery hunt up there has turned into a disaster too. At this point I would rather hunt it every couple years if there were half the people. Some hate trail cameras because they hike into an area and see one on a tree and it makes them pissed off because they feel the area has been tainted. I have been there and know how it feels. The same feeling is felt when you hike into a meadow and there are two other guys sitting there. Demand is simply greater than supply and its as simple as that. Technology restriction help squeeze a few more drops of opportunty but there aint no escaping it. The reality is you aren't going to be able to hunt every year if half the state of California moves into your state and wants a tag.
 
They are mad because it does benefit them or someone else. I am all for getting the hunt back in hunting and in more ways than just this, but as many have said it is a start.
 
cannonball said:
With sportsmen today, I would never leave one out there past July. It would be demolished for sure. Unenforceable, I think not. It even leaves summer months for the DWR(and others) to collect data for counting predators vs deer and elk. Now for a little more action on other changes. Good job Wildlife Board.
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The guys that don't want them aren't in the woods in August. They usually aren't in the woods before the mid to end of October
 
Elkslayer said:
Some people are pretty slow at retaining info given. There's been alot of information given as to why and some are so mad it happened they aren't listening as to why.
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Still, no legitimate answer to the sincere question! It’s not that I’m not listening, it is just that you are a puppet to Casey Snider’s personal agenda.
 
shootem said:
Still, no legitimate answer to the sincere question! It’s not that I’m not listening, it is just that you are a puppet to Casey Snider’s personal agenda.
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I'm not seeing it either. What is the point of regulating technology if the end result isn't to reduce success rates?
 
We all would agree that Wade Heaton shouldn’t be on the board if he is voting for his own personal business I know he needs too be gone

As far as trail cameras goes if you want to complain it’s your right too!but me and a lot of other people disagree with you guys.

#1 thing cameras show where the animals are located period so you guys are telling me you won’t hunt that area if there is 12 buck hanging out in area wrong you and I both know you will because I’ve done it.

#2 also trail cameras targets more mature deer and mature bulls you know it I know it



This is what where talking about here I have alot of cameras and yea it sucks but we still get to run them just not during hunting season will just have to go scouting more and put more time into it and bring a little more hunt back into hunting.

Another thing I thought of.
we all know where the animals are we all have been running cameras for years.
now the only thing that’s going to change is you have to work for it because you won’t know if you have animals in there or a big enough buck or a big enough bull.

I’m 45 years old and I don’t have any problem putting the time in I like a challenge.
 
Worst part about this law for me....when I leave Oregon and move to AZ I need to sell about 20 cameras. Good chance they could have gone to Utah, not now.

I think of these laws like mask mandates. I hate wearing mask. When a private business has a sign mask required I wear one out of respect for the business owner. When I see someone in the store without a mask I am conflicted. Half mad at them for being disrespectful, half mad at myself for being the shmuck with the mask on.

That is how I am going to feel when I find a camera in the woods. Half mad that someone may be breaking a game law and half mad that the right to use them got taken away me.
 
Hey founder whats your take on this new, law? , im guessing this, is gonna, hurt your side hustle just a bit
 
Elkslayer said:
I already did. Thanks for the idea.
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I emailed them as well. I asked them for the data that supports this decision and the root cause of why they pulled the trigger on this. Seems like the decision was made based on fear of the legislator and some public opinion. I'd love to have lunch with them and understand the "why" on this one. This whole thing makes me want to get more involved.
 
Vitalwave said:
I'm not seeing it either. What is the point of regulating technology if the end result isn't to reduce success rates?
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I think? Not sure but in my opinion the goal to dumbing down the tech hunters use is to reduce success, but don't confuse that with total harvest or especially overall herd numbers.

Example: You have 100 tags for a unit success rate with all the tech is 20% so 20 dead deer. Say you're OK with the 20 dead deer and the impact on the herd but you want there to be 200 hunters for opportunity and you're not okay with 40 dead deer....so....you limit success by restricting equipment. If that is done well enough by no apples and no cameras great! If it takes no sniper guns or rangefinders or scopes or antler restrictions etc....then yiu go in that direction.

It can be used to limit total harvest with keeping the same number of hunters as well. So if you are happy with the number of hunters but they are just a bit too successfull for herd health....bingo you decrease tech etc. while keeping opportunity and dropping the harvest.
 
huntindad4 said:
I think? Not sure but in my opinion the goal to dumbing down the tech hunters use is to reduce success, but don't confuse that with total harvest or especially overall herd numbers.

Example: You have 100 tags for a unit success rate with all the tech is 20% so 20 dead deer. Say you're OK with the 20 dead deer and the impact on the herd but you want there to be 200 hunters for opportunity and you're not okay with 40 dead deer....so....you limit success by restricting equipment. If that is done well enough by no apples and no cameras great! If it takes no sniper guns or rangefinders or scopes or antler restrictions etc....then yiu go in that direction.

It can be used to limit total harvest with keeping the same number of hunters as well. So if you are happy with the number of hunters but they are just a bit too successfull for herd health....bingo you decrease tech etc. while keeping opportunity and dropping the harvest.
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I’d like them to actually admit that this is their goal. You know what else this approach supports… tag and law enforcement revenue… interesting how it comes down to money $$$. Another viable approach is to lower tag numbers because hunters are successful (which is a big reason people hunt in the first place is the chance to be successful). They won’t do that because they are used to the money and people would freak out if they raise tag cost to cover it. At a bare minimum they need to require mandatory harvest reporting so they even have the data to know what is going on.
 
Slayer said:
Its not that simple…They would only be in violation if the trail cam aids in the harvest of big game. What if a guy has a tag and a camera out, but doesnt hunt in the general area where his camera is? How far away does a hunter have to be from thier trail cam so as to not break the law of aiding in the harvest of big game? Common sense could apply here, but its left to interpretation? Is a canyon away or the next drainage away sufficient? There are so many sides to this. What if you have a deer tag but are using trail cams as recreation only to scout for elk? The only line that is drawn in the sand here is if the trail cam aids in the harvest.
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slamdunk said:
Quote of the year thus far-

"If trail cameras don’t help harvest big game animals then why are you complaining and finding ways around it…."
Elkslayer2015
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Don’t be naive slam
Some camera guys (internal storage) just don’t believe in excessive government control. Having a broad option of ways to hunt or just a close up picture of animals is what attracts some people to hunt. The idea that hunters are able to set their own goals and hunt the way they want to within the bounds of the law, is what can be attractive to hunters.
Is 100 cameras excessive? Absolutely! But that is not the norm or majority. Some look for the grey areas because they know they hold a very small piece of a huge puzzle in having enough intel on animals to warrant such a ban.
 
BillyBoB said:
Don’t be naive slam
Some camera guys (internal storage) just don’t believe in excessive government control. Having a broad option of ways to hunt or just a close up picture of animals is what attracts some people to hunt. The idea that hunters are able to set their own goals and hunt the way they want to within the bounds of the law, is what can be attractive to hunters.
Is 100 cameras excessive? Absolutely! But that is not the norm or majority. Some look for the grey areas because they know they hold a very small piece of a huge puzzle in having enough intel on animals to warrant such a ban.
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Thats a fair statement ?

Having said that, lack of government control has lead to this tech craze for hunting, right?

I mean, thank goodness for speed limits......
 
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IMO every state should outlaw the use of trail /game cams entirely
Go back to big game HUNTING instead of the shooting/long range snipeing it has turned into
 
elkhunterUT said:
If someone has been legally granted a tag to harvest an animal, why does anyone care how effective they are in harvesting that animal assuming things are done legally and ethically?

Isn't that the objective?

You could argue that too many animals are being killed, but that isn't a "harvest method" issue, that is a tag # quota setting issue and an overall herd # issue which is where the real problem is in this state and in others.
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We are all getting better and more efficient at killing things what are we willing to give up?
 
Deerlove said:
He does it the old fashion way he EARNS it.
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Haha the old fashioned way??? Cmon he didn't kill that buck this past year because he didn't have his rangefinder. I think Founder is a good hunter, works hard, gets away from guys, but far from the old fashioned way.
 

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