Swine flu vaccination?
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NOT ME, too new of a drug that is not tested from what I have heard. Let us know how it goes and if it keeps you from running around the house "oinking" at your wife. Don't even know if that is a real word, but who cares here, Mr. Webster will make the corrections.
Brian
Now the FLU shot I will get later.
Brian
Now the FLU shot I will get later.
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slimchance
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I heard if you sniff a pig you are good to go! Been looking for ugly girls all day. Wondering if Feleno might help us old guys out?
SC
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There is no way on this earth that I would ever get that shot unless it was by threat of force. The shot is worse for you than the SUPPOSED cure!! Not to mention theres enough mercury in the flu shot to poison a horse. Washington state had to lift their mercury limits so it could be allowed.
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EdleBrock
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I think I'll take a pass. Google "H1N1 package insert" to see the full details. Following is a subset of possible side affects:
f.. Some of the reported adverse events/side effects of the vaccines include: Thrombocytopenia (spontaneous bleeding); anaphylaxis (life threatening allergic reaction); lymphadenopathy (diseased lymph nodes); Guillain-Barre (paralysis); Bells Palsy (facial paralysis); convulsions; encephalomytis (brain inflammation/damage); optic neuropathy (optic nerve damage); syncope (loss of consciousness); Stevens Johnson Syndrome, vasculitis (inflammatory destruction of blood vessels).
f.. Some of the reported adverse events/side effects of the vaccines include: Thrombocytopenia (spontaneous bleeding); anaphylaxis (life threatening allergic reaction); lymphadenopathy (diseased lymph nodes); Guillain-Barre (paralysis); Bells Palsy (facial paralysis); convulsions; encephalomytis (brain inflammation/damage); optic neuropathy (optic nerve damage); syncope (loss of consciousness); Stevens Johnson Syndrome, vasculitis (inflammatory destruction of blood vessels).
BLooDTRaCKeR
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Boy, sign me up for that list of side effects! Sounds like a good time if like dying a miserable death!
1911
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If you do the research there is a similar list of side effects for just about any medication out there. Simple anitbiotics can be fatal to a small portion of the population. One of the possible side of effects of water is drowning too but I'll probably still drink it.
As with any medicine, there is a cost benifit scale that must be weighed for each individual case. However, to write off vaccines altogether because of hype is just plain silly and a little irresponsible. I know some people would like us to think that vaccines are simply the devil's spawn in a vial but lest our memories fade too fast take a walk down memory lane and revisit the days of polio. Weren't iron lungs and crutches a much more attractive alternative to a vaccine?
As with any medicine, there is a cost benifit scale that must be weighed for each individual case. However, to write off vaccines altogether because of hype is just plain silly and a little irresponsible. I know some people would like us to think that vaccines are simply the devil's spawn in a vial but lest our memories fade too fast take a walk down memory lane and revisit the days of polio. Weren't iron lungs and crutches a much more attractive alternative to a vaccine?
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EdleBrock
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Well, you convinced me 1911, especially that part about water...
There are side affects (like all drugs) and people have a right to be informed and choose if they care to be a beta tester or not.
There is no absolutes with vaccines, polio especially. In fact, there is a risk of acquiring polio from an infant that has been vaccinated. That didn't stop me from having my daughter vaccinated. I informed myself and took precautions.
As far as H1N1 vaccine, there are too many questions left unanswered. I'll take a pass.
BTW eel, if a side affect of the H1N1 was a 4 hour el'presidente I may have to re-think my position.
There are side affects (like all drugs) and people have a right to be informed and choose if they care to be a beta tester or not.
There is no absolutes with vaccines, polio especially. In fact, there is a risk of acquiring polio from an infant that has been vaccinated. That didn't stop me from having my daughter vaccinated. I informed myself and took precautions.
As far as H1N1 vaccine, there are too many questions left unanswered. I'll take a pass.
BTW eel, if a side affect of the H1N1 was a 4 hour el'presidente I may have to re-think my position.
science indeed.
The most recent study was run in Italy on their senior population and found absolutely no difference in death rates or in reported cases of the flu. The study noted, "after the late 1980s, no decline in age-adjusted excess mortality was associated with increasing influenza vaccination distribution primarily targeted for the elderly," suggesting that at least one possibility was that "the vaccine failed to protect the elderly."
Interestingly, the researchers who compiled the numbers concluded that there was a need for better trials with alternative vaccination strategies. Vaccine October 30, 2006; 24(42-43): 6468-6475
?One critic determined to expose the CDC and vaccine manufacturers for falsely instilling fear into people has found the truth behind the "statistics." According to the CDC's most recent death statistics located on their Web site, influenza and pneumonia killed 62,034 people in 2001. That means, in light of the current statistic, that just over half of those deaths resulted from the flu. However, upon further investigation, the actual number of deaths caused by the flu came to 257, with pneumonia accounting for the remaining number of deaths.? LewRockwell.com October 9, 2004. Big News Network.com October 16, 2004
In fact, one shocking statistic brought to light in this video is that BEFORE the CDC advocated vaccinating children under the age of five, the number of children dying from the flu was very low, and on the decline.
Then, in 2003, just after children aged five and under started getting vaccinated, the number of flu deaths SKYROCKETED. The death toll was enormous compared to the previous year, when the flu vaccine was not administered en masse to that age group!
In January or February of each year, health authorities travel to Asia to determine which strains of the flu are currently active. Based on their findings in Asia, they assume that the same strains of viruses will spread to the U.S. by fall.
At this point, U.S. vaccine manufacturers start making that season?s flu vaccine, which will contain the strains found in Asia. However, if the viral strains circulating in the U.S. that season are not identical to those in Asia, the vaccine you receive is a complete dud.
The flu strains selected are cultivated in chick embryos for several weeks before being inactivated with formaldehyde, which is a known cancer-causing agent. Then they're preserved with thimerosal, which is 49 percent mercury by weight.
According to the CDC, the majority of flu vaccines contain thimerosal. Some contain as much as 25 mcg of mercury per dose. This means that it may contain more than 250 times the Environmental Protection Agency?s safety limit for mercury.
They also contain aluminum -- a neurotoxin that has been linked to Alzheimer?s disease. In addition to mercury, flu vaccines also contain other toxic or hazardous ingredients like
Triton X-100 -- a detergent
Phenol (carbolic acid)
Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
Betapropiolactone - a disinfectant
Nonoxynol - used to kill or stop growth of STDs
Octoxinol 9 - a vaginal spermicide
Sodium phosphate
A study published in the October 2008 issue of the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine found that vaccinating young children against the flu had no impact on flu-related hospitalizations or doctor visits during two recent flu seasons.
The researchers concluded that "significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting" examined.
A 2008 study published in the Lancet found that influenza vaccination was NOT associated with a reduced risk of pneumonia in older people.
This supports an earlier study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine.
Research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine also confirms that there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza and pneumonia in the elderly, despite the fact that vaccination coverage among the elderly has increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent now.
In 2007, researchers with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and the National Institutes of Health published this conclusion in the Lancet Infectious Diseases: ?We conclude that frailty selection bias and use of non-specific endpoints such as all-cause mortality,have led cohort studies to greatly exaggerate vaccine benefits.?
A large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies, published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews in 2006, found no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more effective than a placebo in children. The studies involved 260,000 children, age 6 to 23 months.
Last but not least, I think it says a lot that 70 percent of doctors and nurses, and 62 percent of other health care workers do NOT get the yearly flu shot.
The reasons why they opted to not get vaccinated were:
They didn't believe the vaccine would work
They believed their immune systems were strong enough to withstand exposure to the flu
They were concerned about side effects
ummm, want more guys? I'd be happy to post it.
The most recent study was run in Italy on their senior population and found absolutely no difference in death rates or in reported cases of the flu. The study noted, "after the late 1980s, no decline in age-adjusted excess mortality was associated with increasing influenza vaccination distribution primarily targeted for the elderly," suggesting that at least one possibility was that "the vaccine failed to protect the elderly."
Interestingly, the researchers who compiled the numbers concluded that there was a need for better trials with alternative vaccination strategies. Vaccine October 30, 2006; 24(42-43): 6468-6475
?One critic determined to expose the CDC and vaccine manufacturers for falsely instilling fear into people has found the truth behind the "statistics." According to the CDC's most recent death statistics located on their Web site, influenza and pneumonia killed 62,034 people in 2001. That means, in light of the current statistic, that just over half of those deaths resulted from the flu. However, upon further investigation, the actual number of deaths caused by the flu came to 257, with pneumonia accounting for the remaining number of deaths.? LewRockwell.com October 9, 2004. Big News Network.com October 16, 2004
In fact, one shocking statistic brought to light in this video is that BEFORE the CDC advocated vaccinating children under the age of five, the number of children dying from the flu was very low, and on the decline.
Then, in 2003, just after children aged five and under started getting vaccinated, the number of flu deaths SKYROCKETED. The death toll was enormous compared to the previous year, when the flu vaccine was not administered en masse to that age group!
In January or February of each year, health authorities travel to Asia to determine which strains of the flu are currently active. Based on their findings in Asia, they assume that the same strains of viruses will spread to the U.S. by fall.
At this point, U.S. vaccine manufacturers start making that season?s flu vaccine, which will contain the strains found in Asia. However, if the viral strains circulating in the U.S. that season are not identical to those in Asia, the vaccine you receive is a complete dud.
The flu strains selected are cultivated in chick embryos for several weeks before being inactivated with formaldehyde, which is a known cancer-causing agent. Then they're preserved with thimerosal, which is 49 percent mercury by weight.
According to the CDC, the majority of flu vaccines contain thimerosal. Some contain as much as 25 mcg of mercury per dose. This means that it may contain more than 250 times the Environmental Protection Agency?s safety limit for mercury.
They also contain aluminum -- a neurotoxin that has been linked to Alzheimer?s disease. In addition to mercury, flu vaccines also contain other toxic or hazardous ingredients like
Triton X-100 -- a detergent
Phenol (carbolic acid)
Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
Betapropiolactone - a disinfectant
Nonoxynol - used to kill or stop growth of STDs
Octoxinol 9 - a vaginal spermicide
Sodium phosphate
A study published in the October 2008 issue of the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine found that vaccinating young children against the flu had no impact on flu-related hospitalizations or doctor visits during two recent flu seasons.
The researchers concluded that "significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting" examined.
A 2008 study published in the Lancet found that influenza vaccination was NOT associated with a reduced risk of pneumonia in older people.
This supports an earlier study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine.
Research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine also confirms that there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza and pneumonia in the elderly, despite the fact that vaccination coverage among the elderly has increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent now.
In 2007, researchers with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and the National Institutes of Health published this conclusion in the Lancet Infectious Diseases: ?We conclude that frailty selection bias and use of non-specific endpoints such as all-cause mortality,have led cohort studies to greatly exaggerate vaccine benefits.?
A large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies, published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews in 2006, found no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more effective than a placebo in children. The studies involved 260,000 children, age 6 to 23 months.
Last but not least, I think it says a lot that 70 percent of doctors and nurses, and 62 percent of other health care workers do NOT get the yearly flu shot.
The reasons why they opted to not get vaccinated were:
They didn't believe the vaccine would work
They believed their immune systems were strong enough to withstand exposure to the flu
They were concerned about side effects
ummm, want more guys? I'd be happy to post it.
ramtagless
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I got one - will let you know if I die.
This is only the second flu shot I have gotten. I generally pass because I am fairly young and healthy. But - I have a 6 week old daughter in the house and was told by several doctors that I needed the shot.
I agree - lots of unanswered questions and if you are not real old or real young, passing should not be a problem. Dying from H1n1 for most is a long shot and I am not totally on board with the shot (as of yet).
Would rather cause myself some problems than have my infant daughter die of the flu. One thing is for sure, after this year and all the shots - we will have more data to go by.
I did feel a bit crappy the day after the shot.
This is only the second flu shot I have gotten. I generally pass because I am fairly young and healthy. But - I have a 6 week old daughter in the house and was told by several doctors that I needed the shot.
I agree - lots of unanswered questions and if you are not real old or real young, passing should not be a problem. Dying from H1n1 for most is a long shot and I am not totally on board with the shot (as of yet).
Would rather cause myself some problems than have my infant daughter die of the flu. One thing is for sure, after this year and all the shots - we will have more data to go by.
I did feel a bit crappy the day after the shot.
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Get the normal flu shot. If you are around people that you think are high risk then get it. It will prevent you from taking it home to your kids. You are not necessarily preventing yourself from getting the virus but you ARE preventing yourself from spreading it unknowingly. The elderly and youth are the high risk people along with health care workers. My work made it mandatory. I would get vaccinated anyway. I would hate to think I brought that crap home to my wife and kids.
It's always an adventure!!!
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"Let us know how it goes and if it keeps you from running around the house "oinking" at your wife. "
In some circles that would be considered fun...
There is a real mix of research out there. What appear to be some good studies indicate vaccination has little benefits. What appear to be some other good studies indicate it does. Most have a preconceived notion and accept the studies that support their notion and disregard the rest. To each their own.
In some circles that would be considered fun...
There is a real mix of research out there. What appear to be some good studies indicate vaccination has little benefits. What appear to be some other good studies indicate it does. Most have a preconceived notion and accept the studies that support their notion and disregard the rest. To each their own.
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RACKMASTER
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i just got my reg flu shot today ....as far a h1n1 I take the poke! can't be any worst than drinking milk! (I heard their all kinds of crap in there!)..
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