We have been watching these three rams for 2.5 months. Jean and I spotted them in late June. We have allot of photos of them too. She ended up taking him over 11 miles from the spot we originally spotted them. I guessed this ram (Valentine)about 6" bigger than the other(Curly). Jean named them on the day we found them. It was a tough choice ,but if you look at the photos I have of them I'm sure you'll agree. The fist is Curly and the second is Valentine. He has 35 1/8" curls with 15 2/8" bases