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The Last Wildlife Board Meeting in Utah: EPIC FAIL of MDF, SFW, and The DNR!
I'm a little slow in getting my post out here, but I've had a much to think about since attending the last board meeting. I sat quietly as a casual observer and tried my best to make sense of the clown show taking place throughout the day at the last DNR Board Meeting in Salt Lake.
Here are my conclusions:
What little respect I had left for MDF and SFW is now completely gone. Their dog and retarded pony show at the board meeting was an absurd display of disgustingly defiant men who seem to be legends in their own minds, but not in the minds of anyone else. Let me explain.
First, when Eric, MDF President, stood and whined about the mean people here on MM bashing his organization in an unjust manner I nearly puked my guts out! Really Eric? Are you such a milquetoast that you can't handle the heat in the arena of public opinion? If so, then maybe you should find another line of work my friend. After reading numerous posts here on MM, I have concluded that most people have simply been asking for greater accountability, and transparency, regarding the use of public funds generated from the sale of Expo/Convention tags. At the board meeting, Instead of complying with UWC?s request for such, you chose to spin the issue and act like a poor picked on entitled child. In addition, you then proceeded to tell everyone how many great things your organization has done for wildlife in Utah. So, while the public screams for accountability of their money, you suggest that because your org. has done so many wonderful things that you should be exempt from having to provide a detailed report of how you use the funds generated from said tags. What are you thinking Man? You missed a golden opportunity at the board meeting to show the general public that you have heard them, respect their concerns, and that you will do everything within your power to make them happy. For hell sakes, all anyone has been asking for is greater transparency concerning the use of public funds. Honestly, Eric do you really think we are stupid enough to buy into it your lame rhetoric? I've got news for you; it seems a great majority of people are losing faith in your organization and SFW for that matter. Both groups are simply pass? in my opinion. In addition, I believe that both MDF, and SFW, may just as well have told the general public to go F-they, because it was quite obvious that you want things to be business as usual. You could have been a hero at the board meeting, but instead you turned down the wrong fork in the road. Now, before you try and tell me that you have been compliant with The Rule, please remember that more and more of us actually understand that the rule as written is a heaping pile of bull crap, and you know that I speak the truth. So stop being an arrogant, defiant, demagoguing, prestidigitator and cooperate with the UWC, or any other group or individual concerned about the use of public funds, and do the right thing. Hell, prostitution is legal in Nevada; however, does this make it ethical and moral? In Nevada private individuals pay their own money to get screwed and don't necessarily use public funds. Therefore, I can't say much about how a man spends his own money under the law in Nevada, even though I believe it to be immoral, because tax payers are not having their money doled out to the general public for visitations to the whore house. Although, here in Utah simply because the rule says that you must report tag income a certain way doesn't mean that the agreement is ethical, moral, or doesn't need to be changed; this, particularly in light of the fact that you are pimping out tags for the supposed benefit of wildlife in The State of Utah, yet you don't want to provide ALL of the details about how the revenue from these public tags is being spent. It would be one thing if the revenue generated from tag sales were from the selling of your own personal assets like the prostitutes in Nevada do, yet quite another when the assets belong to the people of Utah. Consequently, how do we the people know we're not being screwed concerning how you spend money generated from selling public tags. Do you think we are na?ve enough to simply take your word that we aren't? Why the hell is it so difficult for you to understand that all we want absolute, accountability? Do you have something to hide? I believe that if you want to pimp out tags in Utah in cooperation with the DNR, and be accountable for income generated from public resources, then by damn you should have to report how you use the money! If not, then a lawsuit should be filed against The State for allowing these funds go unchecked by way of an Independent in-depth audit in regard to every penny made from the sale of the tags and where the money was spent! How dare you try and justify not being totally accountable and transparent, while at the same time standing and telling everyone how many wonderful things your organization has done for Utah. Quite frankly, if you were really that great, then you wouldn't need to tell anyone. Stop hiding behind your good deeds man, and be accountable to the public for how you use their tag revenue. The Pharisees hid behind their good deeds too; nevertheless, they did have a hand in killing Jesus. Even so, they just kept telling everyone how great they were in order to justify their actions. My point is this: if you really are all that great, and you have something more than self-serving intentions, then buck up, stop being a hypocrite, and provide the people with what they want. Do you have something to hide? Again, why couldn't you just stand up and say that we will do whatever it takes to make the public happy and cooperate fully with our friends from The UWC? Oh, it just came to me?maybe your ego and pride simply can't handle bowing to the new kids on the block trying to do the right thing. Didn?t the UWC have over 1000 signatures asking that you pay attention to their reasonable and simple requests? Yes, as a matter of fact they did. Let me make it clear that I do not speak for anyone from the UWC, I speak for myself, but they seemed to be the only ones at the board meeting who made any real sense. Honestly, they made you look silly MDF and SFW.
Second, Mr. Bateman stood up and told everyone that SFW had been 110% compliant with The Rule, and then tried to justify why his org. shouldn't be any more accountable than they have been in the past. ARE YOUR FUGGIN KIDDING ME Mr. Bateman? Have you and The Donald lost your freaking minds? Do you really think the people of Utah are that stupid? I have a feeling that it's going to be a new ball game now guys, and it's pretty obvious that you don't have a real ?A? game. Have you not read the posts on MM the past year? Of course you have, and I'm sure that you noted the disdain that many good people have for your organization? In fact, I think you are a complete joke, and this opinion was formed only after watching your actions, and paying attention to this issue, for the past year or so. Don?t think for one minute that there are not individuals out here in the public arena who don't have the monetary resources necessary to take you on in court at The State Level. Furthermore, some of us are entirely sick of your arrogant "I will do whatever I please attitude." Go away, please just go away. Maybe Mona Vie is looking for some sales people? Maybe network marketing will be your thing, but I dunno, I just dunno. You see, folks are finally figuring out what you are all about. You would have been far better off if Mr. Bateman had just stood up and said that your intention is to work with The UWC and any other group or individual concerned about how you spend money raised from public resources. But NOOOOO! Instead, you came out with egg all over your face by continuing to justify your actions by hiding behind a rule full of accounting loop holes. I've got news for you man?you're just not that smart, because nearly everyone in the room that day saw right through your prestidigitatorial con job. Now, please stop telling us how wonderful you are in an effort to justify your actions concerning a rule that many feel needs to be changed! You appear as a bunch of amateurs? drunken with a fermented Berry Blast Kool-Aid of your own making. One last thing for Mr. Bateman, by definition no one can actually give more than 100%. So, please stop suggesting that your group was in compliance with The Rule at a level of 110%. This makes you look so silly. Basic fractions really aren't that difficult to understand?at least I don't think they are. Maybe it would be worth noting something about the comments of Delost Himsmind Christendom,but that would take at least one more complete page; although, it probably isn't necessary as his comments didn't appear to be all that coherent anyway, but he did make me chuckle. Thanks Delost.
So how does this dude really fee? Well, I'll tell you how:
1) I think that MDF and SFW should not receive any expo tags from this day moving forward, because they have shown complete disdain for the people of Utah in the arena of public opinion. Very simply, in my opinion they have been terrible stewards of the public treasury. To hell working with them moving forward ? file a suit to void their current contract. Who the hell gave them charge of our tags in the first place? Was that you Karpi?
2) There should be an immediate independent audit of all past funds generated from the expo tags in absolute detail. The same should apply in moving forward. I mean accounting for every penny and where it was spent. Hmmm, I wonder if this might embarrass someone?
3) I believe that a lawsuit should be filed against The State of Utah and The Morons at the DNR who allowed all of this to happen in the first place. The cat is out of the bag guys. Why do you not willingly do the right thing? Have you no morals and ethics? My guess is probably not, but I don't know for certain. Nevertheless, you've certainly given me cause to question your actions. I'm just calling things from my own perspective; but hey, call me out if my comments are wrong. However before you do, consider the petition showing at least 1,000 other people asking the same questions. You have seen the petition haven't you?
4) If there are any attorneys willing to get the suit filed, and make Jim Karpowitch sweat a little, I will gladly donate the first 2k in order to get the ball rolling and potentially handle other aspects of the venture concerning making the suit common public knowledge by utilizing various forms of media.
5) The State Legislature needs to be involved on a grand scale. I'm going to send a letter to every legislator in Utah, and I would kindly ask anyone else fed up with the arrogance of MDF, SFW, and The DNR, to do the same. No matter what form it comes in, poop always stinks. Notwithstanding, it is possible to clean poop stains from the floor of The DNR hallways.
That's all for now, and this is how I really feel. How about you? I have more, yet I'll save it for another day. Well, maybe one final thought; Mr. Tony Abbott, I applaud your efforts in coming clean about much of what has taken place in the past regarding this issue, but there must be more to it all. You were involved for way too long with SFW and MDF not to know more than you have already shared. Honestly though, your words were appreciated at the board meeting.
Finally, if I'm wrong about anything that I've said here, then please feel free to correct me. You see, I'm not shy and the truth doesn't scare me. I'll be the first to admit that sometimes I'm wrong.
Thank you, Wolfluvrguy
The Last Wildlife Board Meeting in Utah: EPIC FAIL of MDF, SFW, and The DNR!
I'm a little slow in getting my post out here, but I've had a much to think about since attending the last board meeting. I sat quietly as a casual observer and tried my best to make sense of the clown show taking place throughout the day at the last DNR Board Meeting in Salt Lake.
Here are my conclusions:
What little respect I had left for MDF and SFW is now completely gone. Their dog and retarded pony show at the board meeting was an absurd display of disgustingly defiant men who seem to be legends in their own minds, but not in the minds of anyone else. Let me explain.
First, when Eric, MDF President, stood and whined about the mean people here on MM bashing his organization in an unjust manner I nearly puked my guts out! Really Eric? Are you such a milquetoast that you can't handle the heat in the arena of public opinion? If so, then maybe you should find another line of work my friend. After reading numerous posts here on MM, I have concluded that most people have simply been asking for greater accountability, and transparency, regarding the use of public funds generated from the sale of Expo/Convention tags. At the board meeting, Instead of complying with UWC?s request for such, you chose to spin the issue and act like a poor picked on entitled child. In addition, you then proceeded to tell everyone how many great things your organization has done for wildlife in Utah. So, while the public screams for accountability of their money, you suggest that because your org. has done so many wonderful things that you should be exempt from having to provide a detailed report of how you use the funds generated from said tags. What are you thinking Man? You missed a golden opportunity at the board meeting to show the general public that you have heard them, respect their concerns, and that you will do everything within your power to make them happy. For hell sakes, all anyone has been asking for is greater transparency concerning the use of public funds. Honestly, Eric do you really think we are stupid enough to buy into it your lame rhetoric? I've got news for you; it seems a great majority of people are losing faith in your organization and SFW for that matter. Both groups are simply pass? in my opinion. In addition, I believe that both MDF, and SFW, may just as well have told the general public to go F-they, because it was quite obvious that you want things to be business as usual. You could have been a hero at the board meeting, but instead you turned down the wrong fork in the road. Now, before you try and tell me that you have been compliant with The Rule, please remember that more and more of us actually understand that the rule as written is a heaping pile of bull crap, and you know that I speak the truth. So stop being an arrogant, defiant, demagoguing, prestidigitator and cooperate with the UWC, or any other group or individual concerned about the use of public funds, and do the right thing. Hell, prostitution is legal in Nevada; however, does this make it ethical and moral? In Nevada private individuals pay their own money to get screwed and don't necessarily use public funds. Therefore, I can't say much about how a man spends his own money under the law in Nevada, even though I believe it to be immoral, because tax payers are not having their money doled out to the general public for visitations to the whore house. Although, here in Utah simply because the rule says that you must report tag income a certain way doesn't mean that the agreement is ethical, moral, or doesn't need to be changed; this, particularly in light of the fact that you are pimping out tags for the supposed benefit of wildlife in The State of Utah, yet you don't want to provide ALL of the details about how the revenue from these public tags is being spent. It would be one thing if the revenue generated from tag sales were from the selling of your own personal assets like the prostitutes in Nevada do, yet quite another when the assets belong to the people of Utah. Consequently, how do we the people know we're not being screwed concerning how you spend money generated from selling public tags. Do you think we are na?ve enough to simply take your word that we aren't? Why the hell is it so difficult for you to understand that all we want absolute, accountability? Do you have something to hide? I believe that if you want to pimp out tags in Utah in cooperation with the DNR, and be accountable for income generated from public resources, then by damn you should have to report how you use the money! If not, then a lawsuit should be filed against The State for allowing these funds go unchecked by way of an Independent in-depth audit in regard to every penny made from the sale of the tags and where the money was spent! How dare you try and justify not being totally accountable and transparent, while at the same time standing and telling everyone how many wonderful things your organization has done for Utah. Quite frankly, if you were really that great, then you wouldn't need to tell anyone. Stop hiding behind your good deeds man, and be accountable to the public for how you use their tag revenue. The Pharisees hid behind their good deeds too; nevertheless, they did have a hand in killing Jesus. Even so, they just kept telling everyone how great they were in order to justify their actions. My point is this: if you really are all that great, and you have something more than self-serving intentions, then buck up, stop being a hypocrite, and provide the people with what they want. Do you have something to hide? Again, why couldn't you just stand up and say that we will do whatever it takes to make the public happy and cooperate fully with our friends from The UWC? Oh, it just came to me?maybe your ego and pride simply can't handle bowing to the new kids on the block trying to do the right thing. Didn?t the UWC have over 1000 signatures asking that you pay attention to their reasonable and simple requests? Yes, as a matter of fact they did. Let me make it clear that I do not speak for anyone from the UWC, I speak for myself, but they seemed to be the only ones at the board meeting who made any real sense. Honestly, they made you look silly MDF and SFW.
Second, Mr. Bateman stood up and told everyone that SFW had been 110% compliant with The Rule, and then tried to justify why his org. shouldn't be any more accountable than they have been in the past. ARE YOUR FUGGIN KIDDING ME Mr. Bateman? Have you and The Donald lost your freaking minds? Do you really think the people of Utah are that stupid? I have a feeling that it's going to be a new ball game now guys, and it's pretty obvious that you don't have a real ?A? game. Have you not read the posts on MM the past year? Of course you have, and I'm sure that you noted the disdain that many good people have for your organization? In fact, I think you are a complete joke, and this opinion was formed only after watching your actions, and paying attention to this issue, for the past year or so. Don?t think for one minute that there are not individuals out here in the public arena who don't have the monetary resources necessary to take you on in court at The State Level. Furthermore, some of us are entirely sick of your arrogant "I will do whatever I please attitude." Go away, please just go away. Maybe Mona Vie is looking for some sales people? Maybe network marketing will be your thing, but I dunno, I just dunno. You see, folks are finally figuring out what you are all about. You would have been far better off if Mr. Bateman had just stood up and said that your intention is to work with The UWC and any other group or individual concerned about how you spend money raised from public resources. But NOOOOO! Instead, you came out with egg all over your face by continuing to justify your actions by hiding behind a rule full of accounting loop holes. I've got news for you man?you're just not that smart, because nearly everyone in the room that day saw right through your prestidigitatorial con job. Now, please stop telling us how wonderful you are in an effort to justify your actions concerning a rule that many feel needs to be changed! You appear as a bunch of amateurs? drunken with a fermented Berry Blast Kool-Aid of your own making. One last thing for Mr. Bateman, by definition no one can actually give more than 100%. So, please stop suggesting that your group was in compliance with The Rule at a level of 110%. This makes you look so silly. Basic fractions really aren't that difficult to understand?at least I don't think they are. Maybe it would be worth noting something about the comments of Delost Himsmind Christendom,but that would take at least one more complete page; although, it probably isn't necessary as his comments didn't appear to be all that coherent anyway, but he did make me chuckle. Thanks Delost.
So how does this dude really fee? Well, I'll tell you how:
1) I think that MDF and SFW should not receive any expo tags from this day moving forward, because they have shown complete disdain for the people of Utah in the arena of public opinion. Very simply, in my opinion they have been terrible stewards of the public treasury. To hell working with them moving forward ? file a suit to void their current contract. Who the hell gave them charge of our tags in the first place? Was that you Karpi?
2) There should be an immediate independent audit of all past funds generated from the expo tags in absolute detail. The same should apply in moving forward. I mean accounting for every penny and where it was spent. Hmmm, I wonder if this might embarrass someone?
3) I believe that a lawsuit should be filed against The State of Utah and The Morons at the DNR who allowed all of this to happen in the first place. The cat is out of the bag guys. Why do you not willingly do the right thing? Have you no morals and ethics? My guess is probably not, but I don't know for certain. Nevertheless, you've certainly given me cause to question your actions. I'm just calling things from my own perspective; but hey, call me out if my comments are wrong. However before you do, consider the petition showing at least 1,000 other people asking the same questions. You have seen the petition haven't you?
4) If there are any attorneys willing to get the suit filed, and make Jim Karpowitch sweat a little, I will gladly donate the first 2k in order to get the ball rolling and potentially handle other aspects of the venture concerning making the suit common public knowledge by utilizing various forms of media.
5) The State Legislature needs to be involved on a grand scale. I'm going to send a letter to every legislator in Utah, and I would kindly ask anyone else fed up with the arrogance of MDF, SFW, and The DNR, to do the same. No matter what form it comes in, poop always stinks. Notwithstanding, it is possible to clean poop stains from the floor of The DNR hallways.
That's all for now, and this is how I really feel. How about you? I have more, yet I'll save it for another day. Well, maybe one final thought; Mr. Tony Abbott, I applaud your efforts in coming clean about much of what has taken place in the past regarding this issue, but there must be more to it all. You were involved for way too long with SFW and MDF not to know more than you have already shared. Honestly though, your words were appreciated at the board meeting.
Finally, if I'm wrong about anything that I've said here, then please feel free to correct me. You see, I'm not shy and the truth doesn't scare me. I'll be the first to admit that sometimes I'm wrong.
Thank you, Wolfluvrguy
Unlike the ignorant masses of apathetic hunters in Utah who have allowed private individuals to dictate public wildlife policy, Arizonans have the Balls, and REAL Brains, to stop these groups in their tracks; although, Old Man McCain hasn't been too much help in this regard, because he seems to love cutting political deals.
