scout masters

[muzz]

LAST EDITED ON May-14-11 AT 09:44PM (MST)[p]Just wondering what some of these idiots are thinking. Just over a month ago scout masters take scouts canoeing on a river. For weeks there has been nothing but flooding and news about rising rivers ect.... So these stupid schits decide to take kids out on a river for a canoe trip, and they if i am remembering correctly tipped the canoes over, Now we got more scouts and scout masters lost on the wasatch front on a hike. My god people!!! Seriously i had some pretty bad ass scout masters and they knew there schit! I would be a bit leary if i had a kid in scouts.

O--one
B--big
A--ass
M--mistake
A--america

 

[foundation]

I was on that Search and Rescue and that was also the first thing that came to my mind . For a couple of weeks before that deal I was thinking how high and dangerous that river looked .

In this case they tipped over by a low head dam , and just by dumb luck they where not trapped in the current of the low head .

It makes me wonder if those scout masters had informed the parents of what the brillant plan was ? Don't get me wrong I'm glad there are people willing to step up and be the boy scout leaders , but lets use some common sense and have a plan and be educated about what ever activity they are going to do .

 

[eldorado]

What has happened to good old fashioned common sense in this country???

Eldorado

 

[Roy]

LAST EDITED ON May-14-11 AT 10:01PM (MST)[p]I had my share of bad ones too - but I have done my best as a parent to make sure the leaders my boys have are great ones. It was even me for a while. I go on almost every campout, hike, etc. that he goes on. In fact he has only been on two camps that I have not been 100% a part of.

IMHO - that is the only way to make sure that your kids have good leaders in whatever they do - BE INVOLVED.

That is the only way scouting really works anyway. You can't just let the boys do it by themselves, they will never advance in rank or acheive their goals if you don't get involved. We are blessed here to have some great leaders, but even then, one of the reasons I have been so involved is to help prevent things like this happening. Sometimes there are just some things and leader can't prepare for, but I believe that is only 2% and that you can and should plan completely and thoroughly for the other 98%. Sadly most of the errors you see are when leaders fail to prepare for that 98%.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)

 

[muzz]

I agree Roy. If my son wants to be in it i will be involved. If my kid had these other donkeys for leaders and they pulled this crap with my kid i would have ther asses!!

O--one
B--big
A--ass
M--mistake
A--america

 

[hornkiller]

I had cool masters but when half the troop are your best buds you grew up with and your smarter than your master it was pretty easy to get them to do what we wanted!

When your 12-14 you really just want to cause trouble even if your in scouts. Atleast we did!

Hell i remember my buddy snatchin his dad's cooler from him taking around 15 beer's when we was headed for a camp out.
The masters went to bed the camp out started sh!t you should have seen some of the fires we had!

I dont even want to start the story when we went to the grand daddy lake for a week.

Lets just say just cause its for scouts doesn't meen its all good. Yes and it happens with 90% of troops!

 

[jodog]

It's like alot of things these days people doing things with NO common scense. You get alot of guys away from their computor and they don't have a clue..I mean my wife had jumper cables in the pick up truck last week and needed a jump start she asked a guy (about 25 -30 years old) for a jump and he said ...yea, ok but do you know how to do it I've never hooked those things up ??????? I thought you learned things like that at about 11 - 12 years old. WTF

 

[B_BOP_A_LU_LU]

Easy jodog!

The New way is to get on their f'n Cell Phone & Call Mommy or Daddy!

Problem is,for most Newer Mommy's & Daddy's they don't know how either,WAFJ!



For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!

 

[eelgrass]

One year we were backpacking in the Marble Mountain Wilderness. We had been up there for over a week and it had snowed and rained the entire time. The lakes were frozen over, so no fishing. Another big storm hit so we decided to get out of there.

We made it back to Haypress Meadows late in the afternoon. From there it is about 6 miles to the trail head, so we decided to spend the night. The trail was covered in snow so it was tough going.

We had camp set up and along about dark here came a boy scout troop. Those poor kids. They were totally drentched, freezing and exhausted. The two scout leaders admitted they screwed up, but as it was getting dark, it was too late to turn back.

They didn't even have any tents. We couldn't believe it. We were able to stuff all the kids into our tents, and us adults (I was only about 20) kept the fire going all night. We kept the two scout leaders busy all night gathering firewood by flashlight.

The next morning we escorted them back down the mountain. I don't know what they would have done if we hadn't been there.

Parents have to take an active role in everything their kids get involved in.

Eel

 

[nickman]

It's always been a touchy subject.

A LOT of scoutmasters are "book learned" and while that may meet the requirements to become a scoutmaster, the reality of actually being out in it, is a whole lot different.

I have seen a few of them that simply had no clue as to the outdoors. The things most of us hunters take for granted, they have no hands on experience with.

If you have kids involved, you have to get involved also. You simply cannot always trust their safety to others.

Most of these guys have good intentions, but just lack experience. I try to help even now, although I have no kids in the program.

I would get on board full time, but I have ZERO tolerance for undisciplined brats.....and a BUNCH of kids today are just that.

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"

 

[projp]

I was a scoutmaster for a loooong time. Every campout I would invite all the dads to participate.. I never kept statistics but I would estimate that fewer than 10% of the fathers ever found the time in their busy lives to come along. Sometimes I needed the help but usually the losers were the dads that missed a chance to be outdoors with their sons.

 

[bigcreekmetal]

I was pretty lucky as my scoutmasters were farmers/ranchers/hunters who knew their stuff. My last scoutmaster I believe used to be a packer for the forest service. All us scouts took our horses (cause almost all the scouts had horses) to hells canyon for a pack trip and right at the start his mule bucked him off and broke his leg in 7 places and gave him a compound fracture but he was pretty old at that time. He passed out and started foaming at the mouth and we are like what the hell did we learn in first aid??????

He loved his mules though. We left some of our food and water with him and picked him up on our way back out a few days later. Just kidding we didnt leave him. It just shortened up our trip quite a bit.

 

[utahbigbull]

Well, at least the six scouts and leaders made it out ok from thier hike in Davis County. Glad that the Davis County Sheriff's could put them back on the trail after they got lost even with GPS units.