Region G Stats 2007 vs 2015

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Looking at the WY G&F stats for Region G and comparing 2007 vs 2015 data:

Total hunters
2007 - 5030
2015 - 6446

Total resident hunters
2007 - 4196
2015 - 5794

Total nonresident hunters
2007 - 834
2015 - 652

Total deer harvest:
2007 - 1882
2015 - 2763

Some interesting data. Harvest number has gone up about 47%. Non resident hunters numbers has gone down as a result in cut in tags. Resident hunter numbers has gone up about 38%.

Based on this it looks like the G&F is doing a heck of a job there! More opportunity and more harvest for the residents!

Anyone care to comment on their personal experience of hunt quality 2007 vs 2015?? Better? Worse? Same?

And just how many resident hunters can Region G support considering more and more of them are hunting Region G every year?
 
I can tell you from much personal experience that many more residents hunt that country now than 8 years ago. And they get after it much harder now than in the past. I think there are a lot more guys going in with backpacks on their backs than ever before.
You can only sustain increased pressure with increased ability to harvest for so long.
The population in western Wyoming sure seems to be growing like crazy and I think that's a big contributor, coupled with the fact that because that area produces the best general season bucks, more hunters will travel across state to hunt it.

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Huh, ya that is great data, thanks for sharing. Looks like the residents are really putting a hurting on the deer, awesome news. Hopefully it stays an unlimited general tag for many years to come, maybe if they keep at it they can wipe it out, sweet!
 
I don't think quality has decreased. I see the pic's and video my outfitter takes during scouting season as well as bucks their other hunters are taking. I shot one of my better bucks last season. We walked away from a heavy horned 32" wide buck to go chase the one I ended up with. In any given year, I can count the number of hunters seen in the high country on one hand. The vast majority of guys are hunting from the roads and don't get more than a mile off them.

As such, I don't think resident hunters are hitting it any harder than most other areas in the state. Areas 143 - 145 only average around 40% success rates. That's a lot of guys going home empty handed.

However I think its more interesting that non rezi's keep beating the same drum about hunting in G or how they should have some say in how our resident hunting is managed. I say if you don't like it, hunt your own state or go to Colorado...
 
You can't look at two data points and attempt to draw a trend line especially when there are 7 data pts between the two your trying to connect. As long as the resident permits are general it would be really hard to get a accurate count of resident hunters.
The quality of deer in region G & H has been pretty consistent. Some years are better than others. NW Wyoming had a really good run from 2012-2016.
The quality of the deer hunt is trending down. Crowds seem to be really bad some years. Crowding has increased. Guys who have the tag put a lot more effort into it then they did a decade ago. Hunters hunt longer into the season. Still some of the best deer killed in the west come out of NW Wyoming every year.
We could fix the crowding with resident regions or a Sept LQ Oct general split season. Will we? not likely as long as NW WY continues to churn out big deer.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-17 AT 06:18AM (MST)[p]Actually if you go year by year from 2007 to 2015 it shows a fairly consistent trend which is an increase in resident hunters in Region G. You may not want to believe it but it's true based on the WY published data.

Founders response above also proves it. He's consistently hunted the area year after year and has stated he's seen more and more hunters in those areas.


>You can't look at two data
>points and attempt to draw
>a trend line especially when
>there are 7 data pts
>between the two your trying
>to connect. As long
>as the resident permits are
>general it would be really
>hard to get a accurate
>count of resident hunters.
>The quality of deer in region
>G & H has been
>pretty consistent. Some years
>are better than others. NW
>Wyoming had a really good
>run from 2012-2016.
>The quality of the deer hunt
>is trending down. Crowds
>seem to be really bad
>some years. Crowding has increased.
> Guys who have the
>tag put a lot more
>effort into it then they
>did a decade ago.
>Hunters hunt longer into the
>season. Still some of the
>best deer killed in the
>west come out of NW
>Wyoming every year.
>We could fix the crowding with
>resident regions or a Sept
>LQ Oct general split season.
> Will we? not likely
>as long as NW WY
>continues to churn out big
>deer.
 
I'd agree that based on what is coming out of Region G the past couple years the buck quality is pretty darn good - the pictures and reports prove that that.

But more residents are choosing to hunt Region G based on the data.

From 2007 to 2015 resident hunter numbers has increased by 38% in the Region.

Here's some more interesting data for total number of statewide resident deer hunters:

2007 - 55796
2015 - 56685

Very little change in eight years in statewide resident hunters.

I think word has spread the hunting can be great for a big buck in G. Look at the number of non residents that want the tag. Look at the data that shows more residents are hunting it on the general tag.

I don't think quality has decreased.
> I see the pic's
>and video my outfitter takes
>during scouting season as well
>as bucks their other hunters
>are taking. I shot
>one of my better bucks
>last season. We walked
>away from a heavy horned
>32" wide buck to go
>chase the one I ended
>up with. In any
>given year, I can count
>the number of hunters seen
>in the high country on
>one hand. The vast
>majority of guys are hunting
>from the roads and don't
>get more than a mile
>off them.
>
>As such, I don't think resident
>hunters are hitting it any
>harder than most other areas
>in the state. Areas
>143 - 145 only average
>around 40% success rates.
>That's a lot of guys
>going home empty handed.
>
>However I think its more interesting
>that non rezi's keep beating
>the same drum about hunting
>in G or how they
>should have some say in
>how our resident hunting is
>managed. I say if
>you don't like it, hunt
>your own state or go
>to Colorado...
 
2007
I was a non resident and shot a 28 inch 4x4.

2015
I was a resident and shot a 30.5 inch 4 x 6.

I would say based on that trend the hunting is getting better in Region G.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-17 AT 08:15AM (MST)[p]Someone will be along shortly to point out you cant make a trend based on only two data points haha.

>2007
>I was a non resident and
>shot a 28 inch 4x4.
>
>
>2015
>I was a resident and shot
>a 30.5 inch 4 x
>6.
>
>I would say based on that
>trend the hunting is getting
>better in Region G.
 
I'd like to know where all this crowding is taking place, as we hunted on horseback in two of the units in G in late September of 2015 for four days and only saw two other hunters on horses in that time period.
 
There is no crowding problem in G. There isnt a problem at all. Just a bunch of men with vaginas crying.

This will all go away after summer comes. Then the problem will resurface after hunting season.
 
If I remember correctly you mentioned you skipped the first few days. The opener seems to be the only time I hear complaints about too many people.

I hunted in 2010 and 2013 but at the end of season both years and saw very few other hunters.

>I'd like to know where all
>this crowding is taking place,
>as we hunted on horseback
>in two of the units
>in G in late September
>of 2015 for four days
>and only saw two other
>hunters on horses in that
>time period.
 
While I'd say there are definitely more resident hunters than in the past, that doesn't mean quality of bucks went down. I can't say for certain that I've seen any significant difference in quality, but that's real hard for me to gage unless it's drastic.
What makes it hard for me to gage is that I've spent more time scouting up there each year, get better at it, more efficient, more experienced, etc. So it may appear to me that it's just as good as 8 years ago, but maybe in reality it's not and I've just gotten better at finding them, invest more time, etc. ????

Resident hunters (and non-res) are still limited in that country because thankfully there's not much road access to where the older bucks are. It's a physically challenging hunt area, so while more residents might hunt it each year, that doesn't mean more effective resident hunters hunt it.
But no doubt, there are more resident hunters getting after it hard in that area and there'll continue to be more. That's my opinion.

Let's hear more honest opinions from those who hunt it every year.

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-17 AT 08:35AM (MST)[p]>If I remember correctly you mentioned
>you skipped the first few
>days. The opener seems to
>be the only time I
>hear complaints about too many
>people.
>
>I hunted in 2010 and 2013
>but at the end of
>season both years and saw
>very few other hunters.
>
>>I'd like to know where all
>>this crowding is taking place,
>>as we hunted on horseback
>>in two of the units
>>in G in late September
>>of 2015 for four days
>>and only saw two other
>>hunters on horses in that
>>time period.

Actually since topgun is so old ( jesus was in his senior class) he can only see 50 yards. To keep things simple and not ruin the experience, his guide didnt point out the other hunters.
 
>I can tell you from much
>personal experience that many more
>residents hunt that country now
>than 8 years ago. And
>they get after it much
>harder now than in the
>past. I think there are
>a lot more guys going
>in with backpacks on their
>backs than ever before.
>You can only sustain increased pressure
>with increased ability to harvest
>for so long.
>The population in western Wyoming sure
>seems to be growing like
>crazy and I think that's
>a big contributor, coupled with
>the fact that because that
>area produces the best general
>season bucks, more hunters will
>travel across state to hunt
>it.
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com
>LIKE MonsterMuleys.com
>on Facebook!


Wonder why there's so many more people out, Brian?

Could it be the fact that there's now guys posting every buck they see online for everyone to see with one click of the mouse?

Could it be that every swinging d*** that has ever stepped foot in the Wyoming range has to brag about it on social media?

The internet is a very powerful tool. People use it as a scouting tool from all over the country before they apply. Go ahead, type "region G Deer Hunt" into Youtube. The sheer number of videos is sickening.

Hell, believe it or not, there's guys that make a living off the Wyoming Range deer herd with a website! (and I'm not talking about outfitters....)

All you NR whine about tag cuts. Complain that Wyoming needs to limit residents to a single area or single weapon. I can understand if the deer herd was slipping. Maybe after a rough winter or 2 in a row like this one it may be necessary. But the Wyoming Range deer herd was at one of it's highest populations since the 90s before this winter (decrease was due to drought imo). Obviously the residents killing deer isn't hurting the herd too bad. Besides, we are the ones who live here. We battle with winter for 9 months. We work at the oil fields and mines and refineries that pay the taxes that pay for all the great amenities we have in this wonderful state. Why shouldn't we deserve to hunt it the way we want?

I'll get off my soap box now. But keep in mind that every photo/video you post of this deer herd can be seen from all over the country. I'll bet if founder saw a website promoting 220" bucks across the world he would look into how to get a tag..... just sayin
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17 AT 04:31PM (MST)[p]Better stay with your day job faultcurrent, as your attempt at comedy is sorely lacking! Yes, to the other member's comment in that we didn't start our hunt until 9/20 and the first several days of that season had terrible weather conditions that may have chased a lot of people off the mountain.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17 AT 09:50PM (MST)[p]There is crowding in some areas, not so much in others. In the area of G I hunt, it seems to vary from year to year and I seldom see non residents in that area. No high country basins that the internet seems to indicate are necessary to find good bucks.

That being said, there are some pretty good areas, small basins, clear cuts, avalanche chutes, etc that I never see any hunters in, ever. I've glassed bucks in them from a distance, but it is unbelievably steep and I question how one would get 70 lbs of meat, a cape and antlers, and a camp out. Climbing in is one thing. Going down is much dicier. For some of you young guys, it might be doable.

I've not seen the quality of bucks go down and if some of the local big buck contests are an indicator, it may be up. On aside, of the bucks I've seen in local contests the past two years, I've seen one on the internet, in a video. None of the rest of them.

G is huge. If you want less crowding, then go where a horse can't and most people won't. All the good ridges will be well used, so glassing might not be your number one go to.

As I so often say, if you can't have a good hunt in G, you might consider giving up hunting or rethink what is important to you in a hunt.

I'm sure nonresidents would love to change how things are done in western Wyoming. I could've have lived elsewhere and maybe had a better standard of living, but traded that for quality of life. The hunting and fishing in Wyoming was part of that. Tags are much more expensive for residents in a lot of other states. Hunting quality is poorer and residents often have to wait years to have quality hunts in their own states (based on the complaints I hear from residents of others states). I hunt G every year with over the counter tags for deer and elk. Tags are cheap enough to allow one to help someone in need, perhaps unemployed, to get a tag. Why would we change that! So non residents might have more opportunity to get drawn or have a better shot at a bigger buck? Keep dreaming. Call me selfish, but so is jealousy.
 
I feel the hunting has actually gotten better since 2007...but with the hard winter we'll see what happens for 2017....
 
I think it is almost certain that the hunting will get harder in a couple of years, because of this past winter. So we will have to hunt harder. Not finding that dream buck doesn't mean he isn't there, he just may not be where and when we are looking. We'll have to hunt harder. Enjoy the challenge.
 
I am a non resident that has hunted Region G a few times, and had very good success, but the bottom line is if you are a resident or a non resident. The Game and fish can't continue to manage this deer herd in the same way that they have been. We all want to hunt quality deer, but the deck is stacked against the deer for a multitude of reasons that have already been mentioned. Mule deer and there habitat are a dwindling resource that need to be managed very carefully or nobody will be hunting them, Resident or non resident.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-17 AT 02:55PM (MST)[p]I think most are in agreement. The question is, is managing for quality (based on the trophy hunter definition) and managing for a healthier herd the same thing? I do not think it is. Healthier does, better fawn recruitment, and decreased winter mortality are key. Having bigger bucks are not a significant variable in these things. Desire and need are two different things. We may desire bigger bucks, what the herd needs is not related to that.
 
The fact is, bucks are the product and mature bucks are increasingly becoming the product of choice. Some still hunt just for meat, but many hunt with the hope in mind of harvesting something special.

So while game and fish agencies need to manage for a strong, healthy herd, they must also manage to keep the product in demand. Sure, ten 2-1/2 year old bucks could probably get 100 does bred and you could have a healthy herd. The problem is, license sales is what pays the bills and most people don't buy tags to hunt a few immature bucks and see a bunch of does and fawns.

I personally hunt because I want to harvest a special buck. Of course I care enough that I want the deer herd healthy, but I also want there to be as many special bucks on the mountain as possible, while at the same time giving me opportunity.

Currently, to increase quality (and simply maintain it in some areas) opportunity is lost to some in the form of tags cuts. Without tags cuts, quality will suffer because we are just getting better every year at finding and harvesting bucks.

In regards to Region G, I don't know all the details on what the buck-to-doe ratio goal is, or what it currently is. It would be interesting to see that trend from 2007 to 2015 and compare it to hunter numbers.

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Your response has a lot of merit. Yet we see the number of hunters is increasing, as well as harvests. Notwithstanding many complaints on this site, residents seem to be really happy with the product. Some non residents are too. The majority of hunters may be happy with bucks smaller than the hunters on Monster Muleys want. Maybe 22-24 inch 140-150 class bucks are a product that the majority are happy with.

You yourself are still seeing a number of trophy class bucks yearly. As indicated by others too, many of us are not seeing a decrease in quality.

Is there a point where it would be better for the herd to have less bucks competing with the does and fawns? I'm not advocating for that, but we have to at least look at all the angles.

This is the challenge that game and fish faces. No doubt other game agencies in other states as well. They have to produce a desired product and maintain the health of the herd. There may be a compromise either way and hunter don't like compromise. They tend to want it all their way.
 
Founder wants someone to chime in with real data that spends a lot of time in G so here you go....

I have hunted G for the past 8 years. Before then I was always in H. In all of those years in G I have NEVER ran into another hunter from Wyoming. I know very hard to believe but it is true. I also have only ever seen 1 hunter while scouting that was from Wyoming. Also just looking at plates in parking lots at the different trailheads I have been to over the years during scouting season and hunting season I would have to say that is at least a 8:1 non res to res. I have many times looked down on the Star Valley lights at night from the top of the divide and wondered why it was I didn't run into many people from just right down there, but the fact of the matter is I haven't ever!!!

All of this data comes from on an average of 4 scouting trips per summer per year and like I said before hunting the region the past 8 years. Over those years I have personally talked with at least 15 different groups of hunters that were non residents and like I said before not 1 resident unless of course they were with me.

Take this for what it is worth, but if nothing else, know that there are other people on that range as much as founder that have a very different view of what is going on up there then he does.
 
Tknez,

I have been a Wyoming resident for over 17 years. My experience in G & H has been much the same as what you experienced. I always ran into many DIY non-resident hunters from Utah, California and Washington. The last time I was in H for a deer hunt, I ran into a large group from Utah. They were using long range rifles and scopes and picking off some average bucks from camp. I have run into a few outfitters during the first week and they were usually high grading bucks for their hunters out of bachelor groups. I am guessing those outfitters had very few resident hunters.

I haven't been back to G or H since my moose hunt in Area 10 in 2011. I decided that what I enjoyed the most about high country mule deer hunting was the beauty and the solitude of that country and not necessarily the size of the bucks. Now I stay home and work the mountains in NW Wyoming. I don't see the number of bucks I used to glass up in G&H, but I am more happy hunting where I do. I haven't done all that bad.

I support the cut in tags in G&H. However, even if the harvest is reduced and the big bucks increase in those units, I can't see me going back there to hunt mule deer.

just sayin...mh
 
Well, the original posters numbers show an increase in resident hunters, and while I don't think it's drastic, I still believe there are more resident guys getting after it up there than in the past. There may still not be as many serious resident deer hunters as non-resident, but there's getting to be more and that's all I'm stating.
Simple population growth may be the culprit, I don't know. Might also be guys traveling from across the state because the hunting is better than most places. I don't know.
I would guess that more numbers would reflect increased resident hunters and increased resident harvest numbers. But it don't matter enough to me to track it down.



>Founder wants someone to chime in
>with real data that spends
>a lot of time in
>G so here you go....
>
>
>I have hunted G for the
>past 8 years. Before
>then I was always in
>H. In all of
>those years in G I
>have NEVER ran into another
>hunter from Wyoming. I
>know very hard to believe
>but it is true.
>I also have only ever
>seen 1 hunter while scouting
>that was from Wyoming.
>Also just looking at plates
>in parking lots at the
>different trailheads I have been
>to over the years during
>scouting season and hunting season
>I would have to say
>that is at least a
>8:1 non res to res.
> I have many times
>looked down on the Star
>Valley lights at night from
>the top of the divide
>and wondered why it was
>I didn't run into many
>people from just right down
>there, but the fact of
>the matter is I haven't
>ever!!!
>
>All of this data comes from
>on an average of 4
>scouting trips per summer per
>year and like I said
>before hunting the region the
>past 8 years. Over
>those years I have personally
>talked with at least 15
>different groups of hunters that
>were non residents and like
>I said before not 1
>resident unless of course they
>were with me.
>
>Take this for what it is
>worth, but if nothing else,
>know that there are other
>people on that range as
>much as founder that have
>a very different view of
>what is going on up
>there then he does.


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Some numbers don't add up, theres 6000 resident hunters and 600 non, but no one sees the resident hunters?? Are they wearing camo, or in their trucks??
 
I have been in G/H three times since 2002 and in the high country I have seen more non-resident groups than resident, probably 5:1 or so, but those trips were not recent. Hunting closer to roads, I have seen more residents, but still no where close to the 1:5 it should be based on the stat, closer to 1:1. I will make a graph of harvest in G since 2007, but it seems like the resident hunters are getting more serious like the non-residents have been for the past 10 years.

It looks like there are more resident hunters and a higher percentage of those hunters are shooting deer in 2016 versus 2007.
 
There are for sure more resident hunters getting after it hard now than 10 years ago. I don't know exactly what Tknez's "very different view" is from that of mine, but if it's "very different", then he must be claiming that there are less resident hunters now than 10 years ago? Or less resident hunters hunting hard than 10 years ago?
What's the "very different view" is what I'm wondering here. ???

None of my posts have ever claimed that I think there are more hardcore resident hunters than non-res. But I do believe the number of hardcore, serious Wyoming resident hunters are increasing. Not sure how that can be argued.

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I have lived in Utah most of my life. I did live in Wyoming for a year, back in 1951, but I was only two years old then. I'll bet the deer hunting in G and H would have been great back then.
The first time I hunted Wyoming was 1970 in Region K. I was a basically poor college student then and my dad sprung for my $30 deer tag (with no drawing required back then) or it would have been out of the question.
The first time I hunted G was in 1984, and the hunting then was about how it is now, except there were a more bucks that went well over 30" wide back then than there are now. We would normally see at least one over 35" wide each year. In the 1980's and 1990's we sometimes drew tags three years in a row. (Wouldn't that be great now). I have probably hunted G about half of the years since 1984, either on my own tag, or tagged along with my kids when they drew tags and I didn't.
Over the years, there has been a bad winter and a major die-off about once every 10 years and a more minor die-off about once every five years.
After each die-off, the hunting for big bucks would drop way off, then slowly improve until there were lots of small and medium bucks, followed by one to three really good years before the next major die-off. Then the cycle would start all over again.
I suspect this has been a major die-off year, and big bucks will be pretty scarce for the next four or five years. We will see this summer and fall, I guess.
 
>I can tell you from much
>personal experience that many more
>residents hunt that country now
>than 8 years ago. And
>they get after it much
>harder now than in the
>past. I think there are
>a lot more guys going
>in with backpacks on their
>backs than ever before.
>You can only sustain increased pressure
>with increased ability to harvest
>for so long.
>The population in western Wyoming sure
>seems to be growing like
>crazy and I think that's
>a big contributor, coupled with
>the fact that because that
>area produces the best general
>season bucks, more hunters will
>travel across state to hunt
>it.
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com
>LIKE MonsterMuleys.com
>on Facebook!

Ok Founder you state above that from much personal experience you KNOW that more residents are hunting that area and they are also hitting it harder then in the past. WELL.... what I am saying and I will try to be more clear then the last post. I KNOW that over the last 8 or so years I have NEVER ran into another resident hunter while hunting. Further more I have only one time ever ran into another resident while scouting. And even furthermore than that, I KNOW the plates at the various trail heads tell my MANY more non residents are in the high country in G then there are residents even though there are fewer that have tags.

So now to go ahead and answer the obvious next question. WE as in you and I have covered much of the same ground over the years... How do I know this you ask. I have watched you watching some of the same bucks I am watching on two different trips.

So...... I guess where you and I disagree most is that you seem to imply with your post that the region G heard can not withstand the increased pressure and increased killing of mature bucks by the residents that you seem to believe is happening a lot more now then before. I say this, I haven't seen any increase of resident pressure on my trips. Now that being said, do I dare suggest that maybe there are not a few to maybe even many more residents that may be up there than 8 years ago.... No, but I haven't seen any change, and so that leads me to believe if it was a huge change I think I would have seen some of it at least!

Just one more little bit of info to add...

Over the last lets use 5 years. I personally know of 44 different times that resident hunters have been in the field with tags in the high country in G. those 44 times are split up over 12 hunters. out of those 44 times (in this case times means years hunted up there not actual times in the field which is obviously more) 12 bucks were killed. That is a 27% harvest rate. Those are REAL numbers, not best guess stats!

I would be curious to hear your numbers over the same last 5 years with all the people you have personally helped or know on a personal level.
 
Founder haha I am not real internet savy... I quoted you above but for whatever reason the post went in way up I think above post 5 on here.
 
sitting here thinking and I forgot to add in 2 hunters for 6 years of hunting and killing 1 buck. So that brings the grand total to 14 hunters 50 times in the field and 13 bucks killed. 26% harvest rate for some pretty serious mule deer resident hunters in G over the last 5 years.
 
Just one more thing, that I disagree on with my facts and your perception is this.

Founder says sure seems like population in western Wyoming is growing like crazy and that is a big factor of why so many more resident hunters are hunting G.

I am not sure what western Wyoming exactly is to you but here are some numbers for you...

2010 census now
GR 12,515 12,465
RS 23,036 23,962
KEM 2,656 2,739
EVAN 12,359 12,133
Pine 2,030 1,923
Afton 1,911 1,972
Big Piney 552 531

I think that is a pretty fair representation of cent to south western Wyo. With the exception of Jackson Hole which I could not find the current population number on. So add that all up and there is a net gain of a whopping 666(man I really didn't want to right that number) people! now lets just say oh 30% of those people hunt, now we are at 199. Lest say 30% of those people get off the road, now we are at 59. Lets say 20% of those hunt Mule deer off their back at or above 10,000 feet now we are at 12 people. Now lets say 70% of those hunt G. Now we are at 8 people!

I am pretty sure Wyoming's HUGE populating boom doesn't have much to do with the Wyoming range deer heard!
 
HAHAHA so I guess to sum it up, the only thing I almost agree with you on is that G produces the best bucks in the state. Oh but actually we disagree on that even as you state it produces the best GEN season bucks where as I feel it produces the best bucks in the state.

So I guess that being said I disagree with every word in your post.
 
Fair enough.


>HAHAHA so I guess to
>sum it up, the only
>thing I almost agree with
>you on is that G
>produces the best bucks in
>the state. Oh but actually
>we disagree on that even
>as you state it produces
>the best GEN season bucks
>where as I feel it
>produces the best bucks in
>the state.
>
>So I guess that being said
>I disagree with every word
>in your post.


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Talking to some old timers who used to hit G hard in the 80's, they wouldn't see anybody up in G while hunting it. In fact, they would just hunt in camo because they would never see even a hint of a person.

They go back up now when they can draw a tag as a NR and there are dozens of camps where there used to be nobody. One year I drew a tag for the Henry mountains and they came out for fun to scout with me. They told me if you can believe it or not that; "quality was better in the 80's in G than what I was looking at on the Henry Mountains". They have bucks to back it up that scored north of 230. The quality is no-where near anymore of what it used to be and has been trending lower as a whole year after year.
 
>Talking to some old timers who
>used to hit G hard
>in the 80's, they wouldn't
>see anybody up in G
>while hunting it. In fact,
>they would just hunt in
>camo because they would never
>see even a hint of
>a person.
>
>They go back up now when
>they can draw a tag
>as a NR and there
>are dozens of camps where
>there used to be nobody.
>One year I drew a
>tag for the Henry mountains
>and they came out for
>fun to scout with me.
>They told me if you
>can believe it or not
>that; "quality was better in
>the 80's in G than
>what I was looking at
>on the Henry Mountains". They
>have bucks to back it
>up that scored north of
>230. The quality is no-where
>near anymore of what it
>used to be and has
>been trending lower as a
>whole year after year.

Those old guys sold you a line.
 
Haha fault current not exactly sure what your comment is meant to imply, but it is Knezovich not Knezovich...
 
Thank you very much for the kind words about my grandpa. I am sure I am a little bias but as far as I am concerned he was the best! I miss him and think about him every day!
 
If you're applauding the GFD for "Doing a good job" you need to remember they are a business as well, and by discouraging non residents they are only costing themselves huge sums of money in the long run.
 
Not real sure who this was ment for but how is the GandF discouraging non residents? Judging be point creep and the amount of non residents I see hunting G and all the internet talk of both G and H it would seem that there are not all that many people that are being discouraged to hunt Wyoming and if the are they must be ignoring that discouragement
 
LAST EDITED ON May-02-17 AT 11:58AM (MST)[p]I assume he basically meant lost revenue from less NR tags.

400 less NR tags between G and H this year.

2007 statewide NR deer hunters - 35994
2015 statewide NR deer hunters - 23135

According to resident responses here the deer hunting was just as good in 2015 if not better than it was in 2007.

Soooo....the argument could go one of two ways:

The NR tag cuts over the years made the hunting stay just as good or better

or

We're the NR tag cuts (and loss of millions in revenue from these tags) really worth it in the end? (Were they necessary if the hunting quality remained great and population numbers remained good?)
 
Judas, I hunted the shiz out of the high country and places with "limited access" last year. I was very surprised at the number of hunters on the first 7 days of the hunt. Everyone has a right to be where they want to be but I know at least 2 large drainages I won't be putting a big effort on next time I draw! Residents and non-residents alike in all areas I hunted. I try not to gab with other hunters too much during the hunt but you can get a little lonely from time to time.



Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
IN 2008 I saw one guy from UT and the rest of the 8 people was from Wyoming in Unit H in Sept.
2 outfitters that was hunting for their families with family members holding deer tags.
Everyone we meet was on Horseback we did see a couple of guys on the divide tha was back packing in.
Saving up my points.

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