Ruttcrazed, You are right about hunting Chuckar in Sept. I can't even think about going with my dog until it gets cold. Hunting with my friends Brit is fun watching him work, he's a good hunter and probally needs some work on woundies. We've discused his short comings in the past and telling someone their dog needs more training is like telling someone how to raise their kids, especally with this perticular guy. My dog is not perfect either but when it comes to woundies he is relentless, there's been times when I wanted to give up, thinking the bird is gone and my dog just keeps on searching and comes up with it. I think, no, I know my dog likes catching live birds better than dead ones, you can just see it when he has one in his mouth. How long until Sept anyway?