to me it's like when Gus and Woodrow hung their buddy Jake Spoon. when he asked em why, Gus said "you crossed the line Jake". there is a line there, and it applies to all situations, when you cross it, it doesn't matter what you do, you can't ever come back on the good side of it. pete crossed the line. he had dozens, maybe even hundres of chances to make it right. all he had to do was show a little humility and admit what he did and all would have been forgiven, and after awhile things would have been made right. hell, he went to prison for illegal betting, or did ya all forget about that. he laughed when Bart Giamanni (sic?) died. but he stiffened up, lied about it for years, caused all kinds of problems for all of baseball and everyone involved in the mess and is now getting what he deserves. but also, any "hall of fame" that has kennsaw mountain landis, rogers hornsby and ty cobb in it, ain't much of a hall in my book. the let guys like that in the hall of fame and destroy john rocker for teasing the new york fans. all he did was joke about it, these guys did things, bad things.