Panel clears way for mosque near ground zero

I saw that earlier today. What a shame.


Compromise, hell! ... If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?
 
Well Australia is not America either. I do not like that ruling at all. Just saying.


1 Corinthians 2:2
 
>Well Australia is not America either.
>I do not like that
>ruling at all. Just saying.
>
>
>
>1 Corinthians 2:2

That's my whole point BC.
At least i'd live in a country where it's people still have pride in themselves and what they stand for.

BTW, i'm only being facecious about leaving, i doubt that mosque won't last long.

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>
>BTW, i'm only being facecious about
>leaving, i doubt that mosque
>won't last long.
>
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Are you saying something bad might happen? :)
 
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>>BTW, i'm only being facecious about
>>leaving, i doubt that mosque
>>won't last long.
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>
>
>Are you saying something bad might
>happen? :)

Hopefully :)



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Just a different point of view. Something to think about.

MAYOR BLOOMBERG DISCUSSES THE LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION VOTE on 45-47 Park Place


Council Speaker Christine Quinn, Father Alexander Karloutsos from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, Rabbi Bob Kaplan from the Jewish Community Council, Reverend Brian Jordan from the Church of St. Francis of Assisi, Rabbi Irwin Kula from the National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership-CLAL, Reverend Jim Cooper from Trinity Church, Reverend Les Mullings from the Church of the Nazarene, Imam Shamsi Ali from the Islamic Cultural Center of New York, Reverend T.K. Nakagaki from the New York City Buddhist Church, Cara Berkowitz from the UJA Federation and Matthew Weiner from the Interfaith Center of New York Join Mayor on Governors Island, Where the Dutch who Founded New Amsterdam ? the Earliest Religiously-tolerant Colonial Settlement in America ? First Lived

High resolution photos can be downloaded from the Mayor?s Office Flickr Page at www.flickr.com/photos/nycmayorsoffice/

The following are Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg?s remarks as delivered on Governors Island:

?We have come here to Governors Island to stand where the earliest settlers first set foot in New Amsterdam, and where the seeds of religious tolerance were first planted. We?ve come here to see the inspiring symbol of liberty that, more than 250 years later, would greet millions of immigrants in the harbor, and we come here to state as strongly as ever ? this is the freest City in the world. That's what makes New York special and different and strong.

?Our doors are open to everyone ? everyone with a dream and a willingness to work hard and play by the rules. New York City was built by immigrants, and it is sustained by immigrants ? by people from more than a hundred different countries speaking more than two hundred different languages and professing every faith. And whether your parents were born here, or you came yesterday, you are a New Yorker.

?We may not always agree with every one of our neighbors. That's life and it's part of living in such a diverse and dense city. But we also recognize that part of being a New Yorker is living with your neighbors in mutual respect and tolerance. It was exactly that spirit of openness and acceptance that was attacked on 9/11.

?On that day, 3,000 people were killed because some murderous fanatics didn't want us to enjoy the freedom to profess our own faiths, to speak our own minds, to follow our own dreams and to live our own lives.

?Of all our precious freedoms, the most important may be the freedom to worship as we wish. And it is a freedom that, even here in a City that is rooted in Dutch tolerance, was hard-won over many years. In the mid-1650s, the small Jewish community living in Lower Manhattan petitioned Dutch Governor Peter Stuyvesant for the right to build a synagogue ? and they were turned down.

?In 1657, when Stuyvesant also prohibited Quakers from holding meetings, a group of non-Quakers in Queens signed the Flushing Remonstrance, a petition in defense of the right of Quakers and others to freely practice their religion. It was perhaps the first formal, political petition for religious freedom in the American colonies ? and the organizer was thrown in jail and then banished from New Amsterdam.

?In the 1700s, even as religious freedom took hold in America, Catholics in New York were effectively prohibited from practicing their religion ? and priests could be arrested. Largely as a result, the first Catholic parish in New York City was not established until the 1780?s ? St. Peter?s on Barclay Street, which still stands just one block north of the World Trade Center site and one block south of the proposed mosque and community center.

?This morning, the City?s Landmark Preservation Commission unanimously voted not to extend landmark status to the building on Park Place where the mosque and community center are planned. The decision was based solely on the fact that there was little architectural significance to the building. But with or without landmark designation, there is nothing in the law that would prevent the owners from opening a mosque within the existing building. The simple fact is this building is private property, and the owners have a right to use the building as a house of worship.

?The government has no right whatsoever to deny that right ? and if it were tried, the courts would almost certainly strike it down as a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Whatever you may think of the proposed mosque and community center, lost in the heat of the debate has been a basic question ? should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion? That may happen in other countries, but we should never allow it to happen here. This nation was founded on the principle that the government must never choose between religions, or favor one over another.

?The World Trade Center Site will forever hold a special place in our City, in our hearts. But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves ? and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans ? if we said ?no? to a mosque in Lower Manhattan.

?Let us not forget that Muslims were among those murdered on 9/11 and that our Muslim neighbors grieved with us as New Yorkers and as Americans. We would betray our values ? and play into our enemies? hands ? if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In fact, to cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists ? and we should not stand for that.

?For that reason, I believe that this is an important test of the separation of church and state as we may see in our lifetime ? as important a test ? and it is critically important that we get it right.

?On September 11, 2001, thousands of first responders heroically rushed to the scene and saved tens of thousands of lives. More than 400 of those first responders did not make it out alive. In rushing into those burning buildings, not one of them asked ?What God do you pray to?? ?What beliefs do you hold??

?The attack was an act of war ? and our first responders defended not only our City but also our country and our Constitution. We do not honor their lives by denying the very Constitutional rights they died protecting. We honor their lives by defending those rights ? and the freedoms that the terrorists attacked.

?Of course, it is fair to ask the organizers of the mosque to show some special sensitivity to the situation ? and in fact, their plan envisions reaching beyond their walls and building an interfaith community. By doing so, it is my hope that the mosque will help to bring our City even closer together and help repudiate the false and repugnant idea that the attacks of 9/11 were in any way consistent with Islam. Muslims are as much a part of our City and our country as the people of any faith and they are as welcome to worship in Lower Manhattan as any other group. In fact, they have been worshipping at the site for the better part of a year, as is their right.

?The local community board in Lower Manhattan voted overwhelming to support the proposal and if it moves forward, I expect the community center and mosque will add to the life and vitality of the neighborhood and the entire City.

?Political controversies come and go, but our values and our traditions endure ? and there is no neighborhood in this City that is off limits to God?s love and mercy, as the religious leaders here with us today can attest.?


Slick
 
Didn't read it did you nick. That's ok nobody else will either. You should though.

Slick
 
unFRIGGENbelievable !

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-10 AT 12:38PM (MST)[p]Bloomberg's words are profound. What he says is exactly right, but is it right to build a mosque there on such a sensitive spot?

Well, the better question to ask ourselves is this: How wrong would it be to not allow it?

Isn't that was the separation of Church and State is all about? The PROTECTION of religious beliefs - WHATEVER they may be??

If we really believe in the principles upon which the US Constitution is based, then we HAVE to allow this building to be built.

Yes I think it is certainly distasteful and narrow minded on the part of this particular muslim sect to even ask that the building be built there, but we have to let them do it to uphold the constitution for the same reason we have to allow people to burn the flag; because the constitution grants them the right to do so, even if we may not like the action.

Besides, the actual location is not ON Ground Zero itself - it is NEAR there (about a block and a half away). There are many other churches NEAR there as well, including St. Peter's Roman Catholic Church and St. Paul's Chapel. If they 9/11 attackers were Catholics would we ask that these building be torn down?? Don't think so.




?Men in general judge more by the sense of sight than by the sense of touch, because everyone can see, but only a few can test by feeling. Everyone sees what you seem to be, few know what you really are, and those few do not dare take a stand against the general opinion.? Niccolo Machiavelli
 
I say we hijack a flying carpet and fly it right into the damn thing...I nominate Zigga !


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"There are many other churches NEAR there as well, including St. Peter's Roman Catholic Church and St. Paul's Chapel. If they 9/11 attackers were Catholics would we ask that these building be torn down?? Don't think so."

Then lets go build a mormom temple in downtown bagdad regardless of what their people say is wrong or right according to THEIR own "constitution" if you will.








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In due time Slammy - in due time! Things will stablilize eventually, missionaries will be sent there and it won't be long after that that you will see the angel Moroni wearing a burka flying over one of Saddam's old palaces!


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
>I would not want to put
>on my white shirt, black
>tie and pedal my bike
>around downtown baghad.

My point exactly.
But it's perfectly fine to wear a turbin in NYC.
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>LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-10
>AT 12:38?PM (MST)

>
>Bloomberg's words are profound. What he
>says is exactly right, but
>is it right to build
>a mosque there on such
>a sensitive spot?
>
>Well, the better question to ask
>ourselves is this: How wrong
>would it be to not
>allow it?
>
>Isn't that was the separation of
>Church and State is all
>about? The PROTECTION of religious
>beliefs - WHATEVER they may
>be??
>
>If we really believe in the
>principles upon which the US
>Constitution is based, then we
>HAVE to allow this building
>to be built.
>
>Yes I think it is certainly
>distasteful and narrow minded on
>the part of this particular
>muslim sect to even ask
>that the building be built
>there, but we have to
>let them do it to
>uphold the constitution for the
>same reason we have to
>allow people to burn the
>flag; because the constitution grants
>them the right to do
>so, even if we may
>not like the action.
>
>Besides, the actual location is not
>ON Ground Zero itself -
>it is NEAR there (about
>a block and a half
>away). There are many other
>churches NEAR there as well,
>including St. Peter's Roman Catholic
>Church and St. Paul's Chapel.
>If they 9/11 attackers were
>Catholics would we ask that
>these building be torn down??
>Don't think so.
>
>
>
>
> ?Men
>in general judge more by
>the sense of sight than
>by the sense of touch,
>because everyone can see, but
>only a few can test
>by feeling. Everyone sees what
>you seem to be, few
>know what you really are,
>and those few do not
>dare take a stand against
>the general opinion.? Niccolo Machiavelli
>


I must have bumped my head at work today because I agree with Homer.
 
It's BS of the first order.......and so is Bloomberg!

I read his stinkin' liberal viewpoint, and I don't care! I cannot believe the stand he takes on the 2nd ammendment and then thinks that, from a Constitutional standpoint, the mosque has to be allowed...........screw that fool! And those mosqueers!
 
I can hear that 1st elder knocking on the door in Kabul....

"Here are the articles of faith my friend" "Put away your satanic Koran and embrace the golden plates"

....The sound of automatic gun fire! Guess the 10th ward just saved some bucks.

If lil Jimmy's mom & dad only had some cash he woulda spent 2 1/2 years in Samoa. Oh Well! makes for good copy!

Slick
 

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