Pahvant 430 Bull

[PleaseDear]

What a Bull


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Robb

 

[HikeHunt61]

Monster!

 

[Vanilla]

It’s gotta be fake news. Big bulls are a thing of the past.


But man, what a fake news bull that is! Amazing what getting out of drought conditions for just one year can do for some places.

 

[Soj51hopeful]

Wowsers!

 

[Shadow]

That same picture is up on the elk forum under the Panguitch Elk thread. The burn looks more recent, so maybe it is the Pahvant? Great bull either way.

 

[FixedBlade]

Holy moly! True GIANT

 

[pauns08]

Hell that's the 3rd different unit I've heard it was killed on lol. First I heard it was panguitch then I heard beaver and now the pahvant. Gotta love it

 

[Elkslayer]

It's off panguitch lake.

 

[rmanwill]

What a HOG!!!

 

[BrowningRage]

It’s gotta be fake news. Big bulls are a thing of the past.


But man, what a fake news bull that is! Amazing what getting out of drought conditions for just one year can do for some places.

Or... amazing what growth hormones in a pen will do.

But seriously, at least they took the blindfold off before posing it this time. WLH is top notch

 

[Tikka]

Or... amazing what growth hormones in a pen will do.

But seriously, at least they took the blindfold off before posing it this time. WLH is top notch

Okay

 

[pushin_30]

Definitely not a pavant bull

 

[Neverdrawn]

If it's panguitch I'd be curious to know where. I hunt a lot of places in the unit and all have more growth since the fire than shown in that picture. Also, as mentioned above, that looks to be a more recent burn, but I'm definitely not an authority on the subject.

 

[desertpointbrian]

Not pahvant that’s a panguitch bull

 

[gundog2]

If it's panguitch I'd be curious to know where. I hunt a lot of places in the unit and all have more growth since the fire than shown in that picture. Also, as mentioned above, that looks to be a more recent burn, but I'm definitely not an authority on the subject.

I have noticed less regrowth on the west slope of the Panguitch Lake unit. I agree that it does not match the regrowth on the eastern side of the burn. I'd also be curious to know "where" because I have a permit for the early rifle hunt, but I won't hold my breath waiting to hear exactly where it was taken.

 

[pushin_30]

I have noticed less regrowth on the west slope of the Panguitch Lake unit. I agree that it does not match the regrowth on the eastern side of the burn. I'd also be curious to know "where" because I have a permit for the early rifle hunt, but I won't hold my breath waiting to hear exactly where it was taken.

Gun dog you’re in for a treat this year! Good luck

 

[DeerHunter53]

What kind of wall and how tall would it be to hang that big bugger on. If I shot it I would want to see it every day

 

[treedagain]

I have seen this listed as PLU, Pavant and Beaver. Awesome bull none the less. But alot of people blowing smoke and using mirrors to deflect.

 

[PleaseDear]

I texted her this link and let her know that he is being harvested in 1/2 the Southern LE elk units!!


HaHa,



Robb

 

[Ranger1]

Incredible bull no matter which LE unit or state for that matter!

 

[Madmax13]

If it's panguitch I'd be curious to know where. I hunt a lot of places in the unit and all have more growth since the fire than shown in that picture. Also, as mentioned above, that looks to be a more recent burn, but I'm definitely not an authority on the subject.

Rumor has it that it came off of private on the west side of the unit.

 

[Tikka]

The bull came off the south slopes, just above moon lake... At least that's what I was told...

 

[deadibob]

It was probably shot in the wrong unit. I'd rather eat tag soup than shoot that bull with Wade Lemon.

 

[CFMuley]

It was probably shot in the wrong unit. I'd rather eat tag soup than shoot that bull with Wade Lemon.

Sure you would…

 

[deadibob]

Yeah I would

Sure you would…

 

[BrowningRage]

Rumor has it that it came off of private on the west side of the unit.

Oh I'm sure it came off private... with pens and a "pick your trophy day"... then tranqued, and hauled in for the trophy shot.

 

[Vanilla]

 

[hossblur]

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I smell smoke.

 

[Vanilla]

It was a burn area, after all!

 

[hossblur]

I'm sure the chopper was just looking for hot spots.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Elkslayer]

I bet that's not just some random helicopter too...

 

[Cam@strawberry]

Insta FTW.

 

[hossblur]

I wonder how many bear hunts WLH has this spring?

 

[Cam@strawberry]

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Here’s the actual video from instagram. Just here-say but I’ve heard the chopper and occupants were located and identified. Supposedly it was guys that were originally identified in the WLH post but have since been removed.

That much I know has happened, WLH referenced carter_boys_hunting who still have the bull up on their instagram, but WLH has removed the tag and reference for whatever reason.

 

[txhunter58]

Great bull!! Since I am hunting Utah this year it gets my blood pumping!

Doesn’t matter what or where. People gotta be “sour grapes” when a big one (elk or deer) goes down. “Hear say” isn’t good enough to rain on someone’s parade. It’s a shame.

 

[hossblur]

Great bull!! Since I am hunting Utah this year it gets my blood pumping!

Doesn’t matter what or where. People gotta be “sour grapes” when a big one (elk or deer) goes down. “Hear say” isn’t good enough to rain on someone’s parade. It’s a shame.

People in this state getting pretty sick of this crap. It's become a disease.

Feel free to explain how this is fair chase.

 

[DESKPOP]

People in this state getting pretty sick of this crap. It's become a disease.

Feel free to explain how this is fair chase.

Why is Utah always like this?

 

[ORIONTHEHUNTER]

Waiting for tristate to come defend good ol Wade

 

[elkhunterUT]

Utah has a problem with big time outfitters killing at all costs and it needs to get fixed!!!

@slamdunk - can you raise this in your committee since using helicopters definitely slots in the "technology gone too far" bucket? How do we reign in these jackwagons that do anything to kill, including helicopters, thermal imaging, spotlighting, breaking laws that already exist to limit "spotters", etc? The list goes on and on, and is a far bigger "fair chase" issue in my mind then the scopes on muzzleloaders and other issues we have beat to death already on this site.

 

[hossblur]

Why is Utah always like this?

I think you could do a PHD dissertation on that.

Whether it's selling off public land, or whatever goes "hunting" this is a Utah trademark.

Myself and others have spent a lot of thinking on how to stop this. Rules committees don't take into account the lengths some will go, so they are always years behind and with $fw, the corporate hunting lobby group, always in control of the WB, getting a handle on it won't come from there.

THE DON, with his tentacles in the Capitol make legislature action tough, plus none of us are too wild about going this route.

I think one of the things we can do, is go after the clients and customers. There's no secret what's going on, and who is doing it. If your hiring them, you can't plead innocence. Public shame works.

Next. I think outfitting licenses need to be stripped from DOPL. That's a buisness licensing agency. Outfitter licenses should be controlled by DWR, and should be up for review yearly or bi yearly.

Next, and this one would solve the majority, outfitting on public land should be banned. If private wants this chit show, they can have it. But as long as there are half million dollar plus bounties for animals on public, there will be never ending schemes to collect it.

Finally. Boone and Crocket, Pope and Young need to step up. As the tech has advanced, fair chase needs to be addressed. I'd also like to see bans on animals entered if they are taken with outfitters who have charges against them.

In short we are going to have to wrap our heads around the fact that "we are all in this together". WE, aren't. The sooner WE figure out that a small, vocal, deep pocketed minority and their lobby group aren't part of WE, the better it will go.

WE should never have to be associated with choppers, thermals, semi loads of bait, 1000's of cams, finders fees, etc.

Or. WE can sit back, sell off our heritage and birthright to the corporate class, and yap about the golden age.

But yeah, Utah is beyond a joke

 

[slamdunk]

Utah has a problem with big time outfitters killing at all costs and it needs to get fixed!!!

@slamdunk - can you raise this in your committee since using helicopters definitely slots in the "technology gone too far" bucket? How do we reign in these jackwagons that do anything to kill, including helicopters, thermal imaging, spotlighting, breaking laws that already exist to limit "spotters", etc? The list goes on and on, and is a far bigger "fair chase" issue in my mind then the scopes on muzzleloaders and other issues we have beat to death already on this site.

Well since it's already a law, it's now in law enforcement hands.

 

[slamdunk]

I think you could do a PHD dissertation on that.

Whether it's selling off public land, or whatever goes "hunting" this is a Utah trademark.

Myself and others have spent a lot of thinking on how to stop this. Rules committees don't take into account the lengths some will go, so they are always years behind and with $fw, the corporate hunting lobby group, always in control of the WB, getting a handle on it won't come from there.

THE DON, with his tentacles in the Capitol make legislature action tough, plus none of us are too wild about going this route.

I think one of the things we can do, is go after the clients and customers. There's no secret what's going on, and who is doing it. If your hiring them, you can't plead innocence. Public shame works.

Next. I think outfitting licenses need to be stripped from DOPL. That's a buisness licensing agency. Outfitter licenses should be controlled by DWR, and should be up for review yearly or bi yearly.

Next, and this one would solve the majority, outfitting on public land should be banned. If private wants this chit show, they can have it. But as long as there are half million dollar plus bounties for animals on public, there will be never ending schemes to collect it.

Finally. Boone and Crocket, Pope and Young need to step up. As the tech has advanced, fair chase needs to be addressed. I'd also like to see bans on animals entered if they are taken with outfitters who have charges against them.

In short we are going to have to wrap our heads around the fact that "we are all in this together". WE, aren't. The sooner WE figure out that a small, vocal, deep pocketed minority and their lobby group aren't part of WE, the better it will go.

WE should never have to be associated with choppers, thermals, semi loads of bait, 1000's of cams, finders fees, etc.

Or. WE can sit back, sell off our heritage and birthright to the corporate class, and yap about the golden age.

But yeah, Utah is beyond a joke

A lot of great points in this....

 

[BrowningRage]

I'm sure they'd just claim they are transporting clients and equipment... any animal they see and later harvest is purely coincidental...

 

[slamdunk]

I'm sure they'd just claim they are transporting clients and equipment... any animal they see an ldater harvest is purely coincidental...

Flight records will show otherwise.....

 

[gundog2]

I think you could do a PHD dissertation on that.

Whether it's selling off public land, or whatever goes "hunting" this is a Utah trademark.

Myself and others have spent a lot of thinking on how to stop this. Rules committees don't take into account the lengths some will go, so they are always years behind and with $fw, the corporate hunting lobby group, always in control of the WB, getting a handle on it won't come from there.

THE DON, with his tentacles in the Capitol make legislature action tough, plus none of us are too wild about going this route.

I think one of the things we can do, is go after the clients and customers. There's no secret what's going on, and who is doing it. If your hiring them, you can't plead innocence. Public shame works.

Next. I think outfitting licenses need to be stripped from DOPL. That's a buisness licensing agency. Outfitter licenses should be controlled by DWR, and should be up for review yearly or bi yearly.

Next, and this one would solve the majority, outfitting on public land should be banned. If private wants this chit show, they can have it. But as long as there are half million dollar plus bounties for animals on public, there will be never ending schemes to collect it.

Finally. Boone and Crocket, Pope and Young need to step up. As the tech has advanced, fair chase needs to be addressed. I'd also like to see bans on animals entered if they are taken with outfitters who have charges against them.

In short we are going to have to wrap our heads around the fact that "we are all in this together". WE, aren't. The sooner WE figure out that a small, vocal, deep pocketed minority and their lobby group aren't part of WE, the better it will go.

WE should never have to be associated with choppers, thermals, semi loads of bait, 1000's of cams, finders fees, etc.

Or. WE can sit back, sell off our heritage and birthright to the corporate class, and yap about the golden age.

But yeah, Utah is beyond a joke

I think selling hundreds of tags to the highest bidder also contributes to the problem.

 

[grizzly]

Flight records will show otherwise.....

Flightaware website is very good if you have the tail number. This is from another helicopter I watched harassing wildlife last winter...

 

[elkhunterUT]

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Well since it's already a law, it's now in law enforcement hands.

Agreed-let's hope something with teeth happens this time?

 

[ihunt4200]

I think you could do a PHD dissertation on that.

Whether it's selling off public land, or whatever goes "hunting" this is a Utah trademark.

Myself and others have spent a lot of thinking on how to stop this. Rules committees don't take into account the lengths some will go, so they are always years behind and with $fw, the corporate hunting lobby group, always in control of the WB, getting a handle on it won't come from there.

THE DON, with his tentacles in the Capitol make legislature action tough, plus none of us are too wild about going this route.

I think one of the things we can do, is go after the clients and customers. There's no secret what's going on, and who is doing it. If your hiring them, you can't plead innocence. Public shame works.

Next. I think outfitting licenses need to be stripped from DOPL. That's a buisness licensing agency. Outfitter licenses should be controlled by DWR, and should be up for review yearly or bi yearly.

Next, and this one would solve the majority, outfitting on public land should be banned. If private wants this chit show, they can have it. But as long as there are half million dollar plus bounties for animals on public, there will be never ending schemes to collect it.

Finally. Boone and Crocket, Pope and Young need to step up. As the tech has advanced, fair chase needs to be addressed. I'd also like to see bans on animals entered if they are taken with outfitters who have charges against them.

In short we are going to have to wrap our heads around the fact that "we are all in this together". WE, aren't. The sooner WE figure out that a small, vocal, deep pocketed minority and their lobby group aren't part of WE, the better it will go.

WE should never have to be associated with choppers, thermals, semi loads of bait, 1000's of cams, finders fees, etc.

Or. WE can sit back, sell off our heritage and birthright to the corporate class, and yap about the golden age.

But yeah, Utah is beyond a joke

Why in any circumstance would the DOPL not Suspend WLHs Outfitting License (or anyone who is under investigation) or charged with any wildlife violations......until all the charges are litigated in court. Why will they not suspend? Im not saying revoke unless found guilty. Just stop them from Guiding and Outfitting until its resolved. These clowns act like they are royalty. Just like todays Dems - No reason to hide anything. Why should they? Nothing will happen and they know it. Unreal how the WB and DOPL and SFW protects their own. Guess it pays to be corrupt. Unreal~

 

[ihunt4200]

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Well since it's already a law, it's now in law enforcement hands.

Unless your feeding money up the food chain to SFW, MDF, WB and "The Dons" Hunter Nation - Then you can do anything you want. Rules and Laws are only for Peasants.

 

[hossblur]

Why in any circumstance would the DOPL not Suspend WLHs Outfitting License (or anyone who is under investigation) or charged with any wildlife violations......until all the charges are litigated in court. Why will they not suspend? Im not saying revoke unless found guilty. Just stop them from Guiding and Outfitting until its resolved. These clowns act like they are royalty. Just like todays Dems - No reason to hide anything. Why should they? Nothing will happen and they know it. Unreal how the WB and DOPL and SFW protects their own. Guess it pays to be corrupt. Unreal~

Imagine the massive black eye that would go to the auction tag industry if
one or both of the gov tags resulted in criminal charges.
The world that guys that own choppers and spend half a million for a deer for, also means a world where there are lawyers and lawsuits.

But DOPL is a useless entity. You could pull Wades license tomorrow, and by noon his wife or son, or grandkids would be licensed. Probably shock folks how many contractors or subcontractors aren't the license holders, it would be no different here.